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leepalmer95

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

threads with nerf requests are made to hurt and nerf other classes out of retaliation and spite and not interested in actual class balance.

THIS 100%

Stop the nerfs! This is why people are going to leave the game because so many people want to nerf the hell out of things that are already broken. Soon everything will be nerfed, then y’all will be crying for buffs! Well guess what? You put that on yourself!

Just stop the nerf threads, seriously.

No, i never asked for nerfs. AFter this whole antimagsorc whinefest and the antiDK whinefest that destroyed both classes i like im gonna be the n1 nerf whineblades request on forums.

Forum whineblades need a taste of their own medicine.

You just said you've never asked for nerfs in a post where you are asking for nerfs?

One guy can only be so salty.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

threads with nerf requests are made to hurt and nerf other classes out of retaliation and spite and not interested in actual class balance.

THIS 100%

Stop the nerfs! This is why people are going to leave the game because so many people want to nerf the hell out of things that are already broken. Soon everything will be nerfed, then y’all will be crying for buffs! Well guess what? You put that on yourself!

Just stop the nerf threads, seriously.

No, i never asked for nerfs. AFter this whole antimagsorc whinefest and the antiDK whinefest that destroyed both classes i like im gonna be the n1 nerf whineblades request on forums.

Forum whineblades need a taste of their own medicine.

You just said you've never asked for nerfs in a post where you are asking for nerfs?

One guy can only be so salty.

Logic at its finest

They called me a forum whineblade but I haven’t played the game for a year. They’re kind of being hypocritical.

Juju_beans

They have metrics, lots of internal metrics on this game.
I'm sure they study them before making "balance" changes.

You have meta this and meta that and it seems quite a lot of people follow the meta.

And from posts here you'd think that 99.99% of sorcerers played this meta.

That alone would raise a red flag in metric analysis.

Just saying that it's not nerf posts on forums that lead to changes.

Sevn

kaldrihjarta wrote: »

As a NB main, I can't imagine having Cloak not be instant. It would completely ruin its utility. This is a brutal change for sorcs.

What's your damage output when cloaked? If you are attacked while cloaked, does it negate that damage?

Koensol

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Selective bias? ZoS even invented shieldbreaker soo that nubs that cry in forum will have a chance to kill by using only light attacks, now its my idiotic conclusion?

Take a good look little whineblade ALL NERF THIS threats, they have a nightblade signature below it, since day one of this game.

The pathetic mentality is not me pointing out the truth for you, the real pathetic mentality is to NOT want or be able to L2P and want a class nerfed just because you cant kill it or you cant zerg it with ur friends because it streaks.


L2P both of you, will save you a fair amount of time.
Good luck spoting a sorc next patch, and have fun with the ex sorcs that will have you perma-marked.

Your post shows you have trouble understanding the difference between correlation and causality.

While your post shows you have trouble understanding how this game works when it comes to damage mitigation.

Learn how damage is mitigated, learn what mitigating buffs+debuffs exist THEN find out what can a magsorc use effectively in PvP and come in touch with reality.

Seems you also cant read.. In my first post to you I said: "Sorcs now just need to get the tools now to defend themselves other than with shields, because they are not viable anymore.". So basically I agree that sorc is not okay atm. So you can stop the mouth breathing and relax. I am not attacking your class or calling OP. All I ask is you stop drawing *** conclusions that nb are responsible for sorc nerfs. Because its a blatant fallacy.

Artemiisia

cloak needs to cost more for every cast

Idinuse

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

threads with nerf requests are made to hurt and nerf other classes out of retaliation and spite and not interested in actual class balance.

THIS 100%

Stop the nerfs! This is why people are going to leave the game because so many people want to nerf the hell out of things that are already broken. Soon everything will be nerfed, then y’all will be crying for buffs! Well guess what? You put that on yourself!

Just stop the nerf threads, seriously.

Yeah I 'll stop'em when NBs get a 1sec cast time to Cloak, and the rest of the skills are nerfed to the ground just like the rest of us. But hey, I'll stop then.

£*¤%*$#@*

Biro123

I'm struggling to think who the main people were that kept calling for the shield nerfs..

One was some kind of dwarf digger or something....

ItsNebula

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

You NB's need cloak? I have a MagBlade thats a Tribune, and never have i used cloak on him for PvP.. i had a StamBlade (Deleted it bc the class is no fun bc its WAY to easy to play...) that i got to Major, and only up till a Cpl i used cloak, rest of his ranks was no cloak.. its cheap, its broken, and its a pu**y skill to use imo.

MANY MANY MANY NB's dont use cloak anymore bc its a waste of a slot in there opinion and could use a better skill.

usmguy1234

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

none of us would like it to have a 1 second delay on our defences, or our abillity to call 911 and react to someone attacking us in real life.

threads with nerf requests are made to hurt and nerf other classes out of retaliation and spite and not interested in actual class balance.

sorcerers are not "dead", but their main defenses are now dead.
they need to be able to smak a shield at an instants notice. not delayed.

with the new changes being pushed on PTS by the devs to give a 1 second delay on shield casting it is obvious that sorcerers main self defense is pretty much dead.
perhaps now all these cries to nerf nerf nerf and especially destroy other people class defense skill will tone down?

for the past 5 years almost every single day we see new threads demanding and pushing Hard to nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf other classes skills.

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

maybe you guys can back off on trying to push nerfs on other classes constantly.

or are you going to just keep spamming new nerf request threads?

If these shield nerfs go live, cloak will be the single best defense mechanic in the game. So, if nightblades care about cloak at all they better be pushing for these changes to not go live because guess what... If they do, it's only natural that cloak will follow.

ruikkarikun

As a begginer whineblade let me try this tactic.

Cloak is OP need nerf and cast time, look https://youtube.com/watch?v=iUzUWy9rNxI

Fiktius

ItsNebula wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

You NB's need cloak? I have a MagBlade thats a Tribune, and never have i used cloak on him for PvP.. i had a StamBlade (Deleted it bc the class is no fun bc its WAY to easy to play...) that i got to Major, and only up till a Cpl i used cloak, rest of his ranks was no cloak.. its cheap, its broken, and its a pu**y skill to use imo.

MANY MANY MANY NB's dont use cloak anymore bc its a waste of a slot in there opinion and could use a better skill.

I have cloack slotted mostly for getting away of tight situations. (Like getting out of way of zergs and try not to feed their AP)
My primary fighting style on mag blade is based on healing ward and .... dampen magic....
(And when talking about healing ward, it does not look good there either. If any of you haven't checked out this thread yet, it's worth to check out: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/436827/healing-ward-lost-the-upfront-heal/p1 )

So yeah, situation of magicka builds in PvP in light armor do not look promising at all.

Idinuse

ruikkarikun wrote: »

As a begginer whineblade let me try this tactic.

Cloak is OP need nerf and cast time, look https://youtube.com/watch?v=iUzUWy9rNxI

ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »

It was too easy to throw a bunch of effective health on yourself while making a minimal sacrifice in terms of DPS itemization and rotation. This applied to both PvE and PvP scenarios.

The addition of a cast time makes that choice between damage output and survivability more deliberate and strategic.

Konstant_Tel_Necris

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

I can just see it now.....1sec cast time coming to a cloak near you!

lol

Why? Just add streak stacking cost to cloak and same summoning speed of sorc twinlight to shade.

Lord-Otto

Would be a nice post if OP wasn't shouting for sorc nerfs since beta 2013.

MirkoZ

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

none of us would like it to have a 1 second delay on our defences, or our abillity to call 911 and react to someone attacking us in real life.

threads with nerf requests are made to hurt and nerf other classes out of retaliation and spite and not interested in actual class balance.

sorcerers are not "dead", but their main defenses are now dead.
they need to be able to smak a shield at an instants notice. not delayed.

with the new changes being pushed on PTS by the devs to give a 1 second delay on shield casting it is obvious that sorcerers main self defense is pretty much dead.
perhaps now all these cries to nerf nerf nerf and especially destroy other people class defense skill will tone down?

for the past 5 years almost every single day we see new threads demanding and pushing Hard to nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf other classes skills.

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

maybe you guys can back off on trying to push nerfs on other classes constantly.

or are you going to just keep spamming new nerf request threads?

Couldn't agree more, you are right... But "noobs" will always complain about how much is op the enemy's class also if they have no idea of the class he is asking a nerf

MirkoZ

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

Gythral wrote: »

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

EDIT: And while I'm thinking about it, why does a 1 second cast time bother you so much in the first place? Sorcs are meant to play at range, so they're probably the class who will handle the changes to harness/dampen the best.

1 second on ESO servers is really a lifetime, 1 second on client waiting to push button - 20s for the poor hamster to see it on the server, 20 more of it to find the correct response

Nerf hamsters 2k18

if they Nerf shields this way (which destroys sorc's defenses) then they will one day nerf all other skills in the same manner destroying gameplay for all of us, not just sorcs.

Yeah the gameplay will be so annoying ..

CrazYDunm3r

MirkoZ wrote: »

Couldn't agree more, you are right... But "noobs" will always complain about how much is op the enemy's class also if he has no idea of the class he is asking a nerf

DK main here. A friend, almost full time NB'er, also thinks a nerf to cloak would be in place or just don't delete magicka from the game. As stated I'm a DK main and recently started a NB. I do very well on it, the class is so easy with cloak it is a joke. This is my opinion and observation.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Lexxypwns wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

how would you like to have a 1 second delay on your defences to call 911 and react to someone attacking you in real life?

In most major American cities 911 calls have a 10+ min response time

The one time I dialed 911 it took 22 minutes for them to arrive and the police station is only 4 miles from my house.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Agree with OP. The game has taken a serious path downhill with these nerfs. Game play on a Magicka class using the new cast time shields sucks. The time delay will get your character killed if you play the way you always have been which is fun.
Now as a cast time shield user you will have to stay back and use long range attacks and continuously cast your shield just before it expires. This is NOT fun at all. I have been testing Sorcs and Templars on the PTS and this cast time on their shields is utterly ridiculous. It ruins fluidity of the combat.

If you cast your shield in an emergent situation you cannot do anything but move while you wait about 2 seconds for it to come up. Yes, it takes more than a second for the shield to pop. While your character is having this bowel movement animation if you try to block the horde from killing your character you just canceled that shield cast and you are dead.

This goes Live how many are going to continue to pay ZOS to nerf our classes over and over ruining game play? Why are we paying them for this? Something to think about.

Have a good day all and hope everyone has completed their Pathfinder Achievement.

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