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Urvoth

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that as long as ZOS balances PVE like its a game of King Of The Hill and PVP like its Rock, Paper, Scissors, the cycle of nerfs and revenge nerfs will continue.

Yeah, that’s exactly the problem. Classss shouldn’t be direct counters to each other. This isn’t Overwatch. All the classes should have equally viable ways of killing each other, surviving, and sustaining, not for instance having Class A be really good at killing Class B but dies easily to Class C.

i disagree, I like that classes and builds have hard counters. classes should feel unique and require differnent play depending on not only class but build as well. right now *generally* magdk is a counter to sorc as a sorc is a counter to stam nb. I will also say my stamdk does really well against mag nb and mag sorc in bgs. wings up and dots all day. I love when they spam flame reach with a masters destro staff to have it return

I main sorc but dont think that just because we got crapped on this patch we need to smear it. I want nb to still be nb. Sorc is fun when you have to maintain shields and line up a burst while being able to kite and not be swarmed.

Last point, i know balance is worked around cp. Yet cp is a steaming lump of garbage in pvp. Its much smoother and better game play in non cp.

but hey, they are upping cp and still wonder why healers arnt needed haha

Hard counters completely take away the skill factor in a fight. Soft counters that involve work arounds and ways to outplay people are fine, but hard counters turn everything into rock paper scissors. There is no skill whatsoever in a fight where Class A has to be played by a complete noob in order to lose to Class B. You may as well be playing roulette.

Kikke

Urvoth wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that as long as ZOS balances PVE like its a game of King Of The Hill and PVP like its Rock, Paper, Scissors, the cycle of nerfs and revenge nerfs will continue.

Yeah, that’s exactly the problem. Classss shouldn’t be direct counters to each other. This isn’t Overwatch. All the classes should have equally viable ways of killing each other, surviving, and sustaining, not for instance having Class A be really good at killing Class B but dies easily to Class C.

i disagree, I like that classes and builds have hard counters. classes should feel unique and require differnent play depending on not only class but build as well. right now *generally* magdk is a counter to sorc as a sorc is a counter to stam nb. I will also say my stamdk does really well against mag nb and mag sorc in bgs. wings up and dots all day. I love when they spam flame reach with a masters destro staff to have it return

I main sorc but dont think that just because we got crapped on this patch we need to smear it. I want nb to still be nb. Sorc is fun when you have to maintain shields and line up a burst while being able to kite and not be swarmed.

Last point, i know balance is worked around cp. Yet cp is a steaming lump of garbage in pvp. Its much smoother and better game play in non cp.

but hey, they are upping cp and still wonder why healers arnt needed haha

Hard counters completely take away the skill factor in a fight. Soft counters that involve work arounds and ways to outplay people are fine, but hard counters turn everything into rock paper scissors. There is no skill whatsoever in a fight where Class A has to be played by a complete noob in order to lose to Class B. You may as well be playing roulette.

Its called an MMO, right? Rock, paper, scissor balance incentives for group play. Where you want team mates to cover your own weaknesses. Truly hate this solo mindset in an MMO game.

Knootewoot

Next, stealth needs to be reworked. And no, not cloak.... stealth.
For PvE it's fine.
For PvP entire armies or solo individuals should not be able to vanish in plain sight on an open field in shiny armors.
Stealth should be player driven. Hide behind rocks and trees. Cloak should stay as it is. Ganking on open field will be less. NB's first need to come out of the bushes using cloak to get to you.

Anyway, my 2 dinars.

It's not cloak that is the issue.

#nerf Sorc hurricane

Urvoth

kikkehs wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that as long as ZOS balances PVE like its a game of King Of The Hill and PVP like its Rock, Paper, Scissors, the cycle of nerfs and revenge nerfs will continue.

Yeah, that’s exactly the problem. Classss shouldn’t be direct counters to each other. This isn’t Overwatch. All the classes should have equally viable ways of killing each other, surviving, and sustaining, not for instance having Class A be really good at killing Class B but dies easily to Class C.

i disagree, I like that classes and builds have hard counters. classes should feel unique and require differnent play depending on not only class but build as well. right now *generally* magdk is a counter to sorc as a sorc is a counter to stam nb. I will also say my stamdk does really well against mag nb and mag sorc in bgs. wings up and dots all day. I love when they spam flame reach with a masters destro staff to have it return

I main sorc but dont think that just because we got crapped on this patch we need to smear it. I want nb to still be nb. Sorc is fun when you have to maintain shields and line up a burst while being able to kite and not be swarmed.

Last point, i know balance is worked around cp. Yet cp is a steaming lump of garbage in pvp. Its much smoother and better game play in non cp.

but hey, they are upping cp and still wonder why healers arnt needed haha

Hard counters completely take away the skill factor in a fight. Soft counters that involve work arounds and ways to outplay people are fine, but hard counters turn everything into rock paper scissors. There is no skill whatsoever in a fight where Class A has to be played by a complete noob in order to lose to Class B. You may as well be playing roulette.

Its called an MMO, right? Rock, paper, scissor balance incentives for group play. Where you want team mates to cover your own weaknesses. Truly hate this solo mindset in an MMO game.

Group play can involve all that without having hard counters. Hard counters are just a weak way to balance a game that negates a lot of the skill aspect. Not having hard counters doesn't mean taking away from class/build diversity.

Knootewoot

kikkehs wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that as long as ZOS balances PVE like its a game of King Of The Hill and PVP like its Rock, Paper, Scissors, the cycle of nerfs and revenge nerfs will continue.

Yeah, that’s exactly the problem. Classss shouldn’t be direct counters to each other. This isn’t Overwatch. All the classes should have equally viable ways of killing each other, surviving, and sustaining, not for instance having Class A be really good at killing Class B but dies easily to Class C.

i disagree, I like that classes and builds have hard counters. classes should feel unique and require differnent play depending on not only class but build as well. right now *generally* magdk is a counter to sorc as a sorc is a counter to stam nb. I will also say my stamdk does really well against mag nb and mag sorc in bgs. wings up and dots all day. I love when they spam flame reach with a masters destro staff to have it return

I main sorc but dont think that just because we got crapped on this patch we need to smear it. I want nb to still be nb. Sorc is fun when you have to maintain shields and line up a burst while being able to kite and not be swarmed.

Last point, i know balance is worked around cp. Yet cp is a steaming lump of garbage in pvp. Its much smoother and better game play in non cp.

but hey, they are upping cp and still wonder why healers arnt needed haha

Hard counters completely take away the skill factor in a fight. Soft counters that involve work arounds and ways to outplay people are fine, but hard counters turn everything into rock paper scissors. There is no skill whatsoever in a fight where Class A has to be played by a complete noob in order to lose to Class B. You may as well be playing roulette.

Its called an MMO, right? Rock, paper, scissor balance incentives for group play. Where you want team mates to cover your own weaknesses. Truly hate this solo mindset in an MMO game.

Sadly in this game people can be scissors made of rock. That's what happens in a classless game where people demand stamina/magical morphs (which was a dumb idea, but now I want magical bow skills), and you are not bound to an armortype.

Yeah it's TES and works great in single player games. But not in a Mmo.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Aesthier wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Ok but oddly enough I want to see a meme of a nerf train-

Found the pic to use for it...

Omg-

oxygen_thief

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

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we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

You just don't understand how interesting it will be. You will be more strategic while choosing between offensive and defensive states it will be a lot of fun

IZZEFlameLash

Yall make it sound like you never wanted nerfs to any classes. But given the history, we know how far from the truth this is.

Vapirko

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I'm starting to believe that ZOS wants to watch the world burn.

I’ve theorized this same thing before.

Nicko_Lps

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

none of us would like it to have a 1 second delay on our defences, or our abillity to call 911 and react to someone attacking us in real life.

sorcerers are not "dead", but their main defenses are now dead.
they need to be able to smak a shield at an instants notice. not delayed.

with the new changes being pushed on PTS by the devs to give a 1 second delay on shield casting it is obvious that sorcerers main self defense is pretty much dead.
perhaps now all these cries to nerf nerf nerf and especially destroy other people class defense skill will tone down?

for the past 5 years almost every single day we see new threads demanding and pushing Hard to nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf other classes skills.

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

maybe you guys can back off on trying to push nerfs on other classes constantly.

or are you going to just keep spamming new nerf request threads?

Since day one of this game went live, nightblade eternal tears for DK's ended up ZoS making DK's a useless class for some years to please YOU nightblades.

Now forum whineblades demand a sorc nerf, because they dont know how to play and they refuse to L2P.


A good bleed stamblade or a good magblade always has the upper hand on sorc OPEN FIELD. Between obstacles even a noob nightblade is unkillable from a sorc.


Nightblades destroy this game. They even nerfed your own skill that counters you from 20+ sec to 4sec so that you will whine less. The next nerf hammer will strike you, eventually it will and when we make ALL classes useless, you will quit the game as i will.


Have fun whineblades, i sugest you next magsorc nerf to be 'curse breaks my sweet cloak'

leepalmer95

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

none of us would like it to have a 1 second delay on our defences, or our abillity to call 911 and react to someone attacking us in real life.

sorcerers are not "dead", but their main defenses are now dead.
they need to be able to smak a shield at an instants notice. not delayed.

with the new changes being pushed on PTS by the devs to give a 1 second delay on shield casting it is obvious that sorcerers main self defense is pretty much dead.
perhaps now all these cries to nerf nerf nerf and especially destroy other people class defense skill will tone down?

for the past 5 years almost every single day we see new threads demanding and pushing Hard to nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf other classes skills.

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

maybe you guys can back off on trying to push nerfs on other classes constantly.

or are you going to just keep spamming new nerf request threads?

Since day one of this game went live, nightblade eternal tears for DK's ended up ZoS making DK's a useless class for some years to please YOU nightblades.

Now forum whineblades demand a sorc nerf, because they dont know how to play and they refuse to L2P.


A good bleed stamblade or a good magblade always has the upper hand on sorc OPEN FIELD. Between obstacles even a noob nightblade is unkillable from a sorc.


Nightblades destroy this game. They even nerfed your own skill that counters you from 20+ sec to 4sec so that you will whine less. The next nerf hammer will strike you, eventually it will and when we make ALL classes useless, you will quit the game as i will.


Have fun whineblades, i sugest you next magsorc nerf to be 'curse breaks my sweet cloak'

Can you do me a favour? And stop this stupid notion that people who play a certain class on the forum got other classes nerfed?

Because why that is true for a lot of 1 class warriors on the forum, you included seems you like to give random insults to people playing a class in the game, its not true for long term players.

Zos nerfed dk's because dk's were gods when the game came out. Nothing at all to do with nb's, infact nb's were one of the only classes that could deal with the perma block dk's because of fear, so no.

It's not nb's crying for sorc nerf its usually just 1-2 class players who have never played a sorc before and usually have a terrible build and struggle to knock sorc's shields down, they see the sorcs hp barely moves and think its OP strong. They don't realise that a mag sorc who's shield is about the to taken off is about a burstable as a heavy build at half hp.

The people with this game and this forum is people like you who don't understand all classes and don't have a general knowledge of their strengths and where they are weak yet spam the forum with nerf requests and false facts in rage.

Grow up will you.

Vicarra

As a totally subjective test, given that we have 5 classes, I would expect that 20% of the time (were the game properly balanced) I should expect to be killed by a magsorc 10% of the time. If I were taking into account the killstealers spamming mage's wrath when I'm low health (as I do, smelling low-hp like a shark finds chum), I might expect that number to be higher. However, I am rarely killed by a sorc, and I rarely even see a sorc skill pop up on my death recap.

Most frequently, I am killed by NBs (~40% of the time), followed by DKs (~25%) and wardens (~25%) and occasionally by templars (~8%). I am killed so infrequently by sorcs, despite being made of toilet paper and having ping of 300+ regularly, that it actually makes me HAPPY when I see I've been killed by a sorc (and especially a magsorc), because sometimes I feel like I'm the only person still playing one in Cyro. The class has not been overpowered enough to justify these nerfs to the only defense we had. If the class was as OP as the NBs have been claiming, everyone would be playing them. Given that we now have basically 0 reliable defense, the only thing sorcs can do now is roll around in zergs and use every other class as unsuspecting meat shields.

Zoal_AUG

I have to disagree with you lately im more and more convinced that sorc main defense is qq on forums.

Koensol

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

none of us would like it to have a 1 second delay on our defences, or our abillity to call 911 and react to someone attacking us in real life.

sorcerers are not "dead", but their main defenses are now dead.
they need to be able to smak a shield at an instants notice. not delayed.

with the new changes being pushed on PTS by the devs to give a 1 second delay on shield casting it is obvious that sorcerers main self defense is pretty much dead.
perhaps now all these cries to nerf nerf nerf and especially destroy other people class defense skill will tone down?

for the past 5 years almost every single day we see new threads demanding and pushing Hard to nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf other classes skills.

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

maybe you guys can back off on trying to push nerfs on other classes constantly.

or are you going to just keep spamming new nerf request threads?

Since day one of this game went live, nightblade eternal tears for DK's ended up ZoS making DK's a useless class for some years to please YOU nightblades.

Now forum whineblades demand a sorc nerf, because they dont know how to play and they refuse to L2P.


A good bleed stamblade or a good magblade always has the upper hand on sorc OPEN FIELD. Between obstacles even a noob nightblade is unkillable from a sorc.


Nightblades destroy this game. They even nerfed your own skill that counters you from 20+ sec to 4sec so that you will whine less. The next nerf hammer will strike you, eventually it will and when we make ALL classes useless, you will quit the game as i will.


Have fun whineblades, i sugest you next magsorc nerf to be 'curse breaks my sweet cloak'

Wow.. easily one of the most salty posts ever on these forums. It's literally covered in salt.

This selective bias towards nb as a class needs to stop. Yes there have been nerf sorc threads, yes there were nb's among them, yes stamblade is OP, but it DOESN'T mean that nb's are now behind the nerfs to sorc. Even the average toddler can understand this logic. These shield nerfs (even if way over the top) are aimed at making sorcerers having to actually build for defense, other than to stack max magicka and nuke people while having insane shield size. Sorcs now just need to get the tools now to defend themselves other than with shields, because they are not viable anymore.

But stop, just stop coming to these idiotic conclusions about a grand nb conspiracy deleting the sorc class from the game. I am a nb player myself and I am just completely burned out of playing him, because of all the negativity that is spewed at you. People will just hate you, just because you are a nb. It's a pathetic mentality.

Nicko_Lps

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

none of us would like it to have a 1 second delay on our defences, or our abillity to call 911 and react to someone attacking us in real life.

sorcerers are not "dead", but their main defenses are now dead.
they need to be able to smak a shield at an instants notice. not delayed.

with the new changes being pushed on PTS by the devs to give a 1 second delay on shield casting it is obvious that sorcerers main self defense is pretty much dead.
perhaps now all these cries to nerf nerf nerf and especially destroy other people class defense skill will tone down?

for the past 5 years almost every single day we see new threads demanding and pushing Hard to nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf other classes skills.

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

maybe you guys can back off on trying to push nerfs on other classes constantly.

or are you going to just keep spamming new nerf request threads?

Since day one of this game went live, nightblade eternal tears for DK's ended up ZoS making DK's a useless class for some years to please YOU nightblades.

Now forum whineblades demand a sorc nerf, because they dont know how to play and they refuse to L2P.


A good bleed stamblade or a good magblade always has the upper hand on sorc OPEN FIELD. Between obstacles even a noob nightblade is unkillable from a sorc.


Nightblades destroy this game. They even nerfed your own skill that counters you from 20+ sec to 4sec so that you will whine less. The next nerf hammer will strike you, eventually it will and when we make ALL classes useless, you will quit the game as i will.


Have fun whineblades, i sugest you next magsorc nerf to be 'curse breaks my sweet cloak'

Can you do me a favour? And stop this stupid notion that people who play a certain class on the forum got other classes nerfed?

Because why that is true for a lot of 1 class warriors on the forum, you included seems you like to give random insults to people playing a class in the game, its not true for long term players.

Zos nerfed dk's because dk's were gods when the game came out. Nothing at all to do with nb's, infact nb's were one of the only classes that could deal with the perma block dk's because of fear, so no.

It's not nb's crying for sorc nerf its usually just 1-2 class players who have never played a sorc before and usually have a terrible build and struggle to knock sorc's shields down, they see the sorcs hp barely moves and think its OP strong. They don't realise that a mag sorc who's shield is about the to taken off is about a burstable as a heavy build at half hp.

The people with this game and this forum is people like you who don't understand all classes and don't have a general knowledge of their strengths and where they are weak yet spam the forum with nerf requests and false facts in rage.

Grow up will you.

I have 2 nb's 2dk's 2sorcs 1 templar. I dont understand classes?

I used to be one of those DK GODS you mention, still GOOD nightblades not light attack stand still nubs could gut down a dk.

Take a look at the forum, how many nightblades cry for sorcs and tell me if im wrong on that. After the sorc nerf that makes sorcs 100% useless and 100% not able to compete with other classes, the forum whineblades will target another class. Until whineblades are left alone in this game and this game will break down. Its inevitable. YOUR community cried for DK's to become a useless class for years.

Your class community is a curse on the forums to this game you like it or not, the facts are the NERF THIS threats on the forums, read them.

Koensol wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

none of us would like it to have a 1 second delay on our defences, or our abillity to call 911 and react to someone attacking us in real life.

sorcerers are not "dead", but their main defenses are now dead.
they need to be able to smak a shield at an instants notice. not delayed.

with the new changes being pushed on PTS by the devs to give a 1 second delay on shield casting it is obvious that sorcerers main self defense is pretty much dead.
perhaps now all these cries to nerf nerf nerf and especially destroy other people class defense skill will tone down?

for the past 5 years almost every single day we see new threads demanding and pushing Hard to nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf other classes skills.

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

maybe you guys can back off on trying to push nerfs on other classes constantly.

or are you going to just keep spamming new nerf request threads?

Since day one of this game went live, nightblade eternal tears for DK's ended up ZoS making DK's a useless class for some years to please YOU nightblades.

Now forum whineblades demand a sorc nerf, because they dont know how to play and they refuse to L2P.


A good bleed stamblade or a good magblade always has the upper hand on sorc OPEN FIELD. Between obstacles even a noob nightblade is unkillable from a sorc.


Nightblades destroy this game. They even nerfed your own skill that counters you from 20+ sec to 4sec so that you will whine less. The next nerf hammer will strike you, eventually it will and when we make ALL classes useless, you will quit the game as i will.


Have fun whineblades, i sugest you next magsorc nerf to be 'curse breaks my sweet cloak'

Wow.. easily one of the most salty posts ever on these forums. It's literally covered in salt.

This selective bias towards nb as a class needs to stop. Yes there have been nerf sorc threads, yes there were nb's among them, yes stamblade is OP, but it DOESN'T mean that nb's are now behind the nerfs to sorc. Even the average toddler can understand this logic. These shield nerfs (even if way over the top) are aimed at making sorcerers having to actually build for defense, other than to stack max magicka and nuke people while having insane shield size. Sorcs now just need to get the tools now to defend themselves other than with shields, because they are not viable anymore.

But stop, just stop coming to these idiotic conclusions about a grand nb conspiracy deleting the sorc class from the game. I am a nb player myself and I am just completely burned out of playing him, because of all the negativity that is spewed at you. People will just hate you, just because you are a nb. It's a pathetic mentality.

Selective bias? ZoS even invented shieldbreaker soo that nubs that cry in forum will have a chance to kill by using only light attacks, now its my idiotic conclusion?

Take a good look little whineblade ALL NERF THIS threats, they have a nightblade signature below it, since day one of this game.

The pathetic mentality is not me pointing out the truth for you, the real pathetic mentality is to NOT want or be able to L2P and want a class nerfed just because you cant kill it or you cant zerg it with ur friends because it streaks.


L2P both of you, will save you a fair amount of time.
Good luck spoting a sorc next patch, and have fun with the ex sorcs that will have you perma-marked.

kaldrihjarta

As a NB main, I can't imagine having Cloak not be instant. It would completely ruin its utility. This is a brutal change for sorcs.

Fiktius

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Selective bias? ZoS even invented shieldbreaker soo that nubs that cry in forum will have a chance to kill by using only light attacks, now its my idiotic conclusion?

Take a good look little whineblade ALL NERF THIS threats, they have a nightblade signature below it, since day one of this game.

The pathetic mentality is not me pointing out the truth for you, the real pathetic mentality is to NOT want or be able to L2P and want a class nerfed just because you cant kill it or you cant zerg it with ur friends because it streaks.

You are right, many of these complaining threads on forums are caused by serious "L2P" issues, since many get beaten by another class and due lack of understanding these people rather come and demand nerfs on forums, instead of learning from deaths and countering what kills them most. People are blinded on their own performance and instead of wanting to believe they have a room to improve, they rather demand developers to nerf other classes to the ground.

However blaming Nightblades or any other classes for this shield nerf is completely unnecessary. I understand that many are upset about the change (so am I, believe me, I'm not happy about this either), but pointing fingers to each others helps no one. Especially in this case where sorcerers are not only one classes which are affected. I play with mag classes only in PvP and I'm not also happy to see that due this coming changes out of all PvP characters which I have created I'll have only one fully working character left for PvP. (My mag DK)
I'm also main mag Nightblade, so you may guess that I'm not really happy to see annulment receiving that cast time.

But instead of pointing fingers to others, I may try to remain constructive instead of trying to blame other classes.
We are sitting in the same boat, so we better not to push each others over the edge.

Idinuse

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

none of us would like it to have a 1 second delay on our defences, or our abillity to call 911 and react to someone attacking us in real life.

sorcerers are not "dead", but their main defenses are now dead.
they need to be able to smak a shield at an instants notice. not delayed.

with the new changes being pushed on PTS by the devs to give a 1 second delay on shield casting it is obvious that sorcerers main self defense is pretty much dead.
perhaps now all these cries to nerf nerf nerf and especially destroy other people class defense skill will tone down?

for the past 5 years almost every single day we see new threads demanding and pushing Hard to nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf other classes skills.

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

maybe you guys can back off on trying to push nerfs on other classes constantly.

or are you going to just keep spamming new nerf request threads?

No I won't and yes I do. The only un-nerfed class shouts stop the nerf while being king of the hill. *slowclap*

Historically, I've played since beta btw, every class I've rolled has been nerfed to the ground in nothing but a comical fashion. First I rolled a Templar in April 2014, then my pain limit was reached by Morrowind and I rolled a Mag Warden. After a short ceremonial funeral by the blitz nerfs, I finally rolled a Mag Sorc. Now that's becoming an unplayable joke.

IF I stay in this "game" I will be rolling a Night Blade.

All you Night Blades should shiver with fear, for this will only mean one thing for the class.

Nicko_Lps

Fiktius wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Selective bias? ZoS even invented shieldbreaker soo that nubs that cry in forum will have a chance to kill by using only light attacks, now its my idiotic conclusion?

Take a good look little whineblade ALL NERF THIS threats, they have a nightblade signature below it, since day one of this game.

The pathetic mentality is not me pointing out the truth for you, the real pathetic mentality is to NOT want or be able to L2P and want a class nerfed just because you cant kill it or you cant zerg it with ur friends because it streaks.

You are right, many of these complaining threads on forums are caused by serious "L2P" issues, since many get beaten by another class and due lack of understanding these people rather come and demand nerfs on forums, instead of learning from deaths and countering what kills them most. People are blinded on their own performance and instead of wanting to believe they have a room to improve, they rather demand developers to nerf other classes to the ground.

However blaming Nightblades or any other classes for this shield nerf is completely unnecessary. I understand that many are upset about the change (so am I, believe me, I'm not happy about this either), but pointing fingers to each others helps no one. Especially in this case where sorcerers are not only one classes which are affected. I play with mag classes only in PvP and I'm not also happy to see that due this coming changes out of all PvP characters which I have created I'll have only one fully working character left for PvP. (My mag DK)
I'm also main mag Nightblade, so you may guess that I'm not really happy to see annulment receiving that cast time.

But instead of pointing fingers to others, I may try to remain constructive instead of trying to blame other classes.
We are sitting in the same boat, so we better not to push each others over the edge.

90% of the nightblades i meet die in like 10sec, rollerblades survive untill their stamina is out.
Now smart nightblades the 10%, that uses more than 2 buttons to kill are probably the biggest pain and challenge to kill in this game after DK's that reflect 80% of my build.

Pointing fingers to the problem is what will make the problematic parts of community to really understand that they are major problem in this game. Treaating them like special snowflakes OK OK we nerf DK OK OK we nerf Sorc is not healthy neither constructive as you said.

We are sitting on the same boat, your side sinks the boat making classes not viable.

PS

Before i was informed by changes i was planning to main stamblade(again) next month, now im so disgusted from the general comunity + the way devs treat the forum special snowflakes that ill go back to WoW and trust me, many already canceled sub+will leave this game too.

AuraNebula

Since it looks like the 1 second cast time is here to stay, I think it's only fair that other classes get slowed down and also have added cast times. Especially cloak.

Fiktius

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Fiktius wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Selective bias? ZoS even invented shieldbreaker soo that nubs that cry in forum will have a chance to kill by using only light attacks, now its my idiotic conclusion?

Take a good look little whineblade ALL NERF THIS threats, they have a nightblade signature below it, since day one of this game.

The pathetic mentality is not me pointing out the truth for you, the real pathetic mentality is to NOT want or be able to L2P and want a class nerfed just because you cant kill it or you cant zerg it with ur friends because it streaks.

You are right, many of these complaining threads on forums are caused by serious "L2P" issues, since many get beaten by another class and due lack of understanding these people rather come and demand nerfs on forums, instead of learning from deaths and countering what kills them most. People are blinded on their own performance and instead of wanting to believe they have a room to improve, they rather demand developers to nerf other classes to the ground.

However blaming Nightblades or any other classes for this shield nerf is completely unnecessary. I understand that many are upset about the change (so am I, believe me, I'm not happy about this either), but pointing fingers to each others helps no one. Especially in this case where sorcerers are not only one classes which are affected. I play with mag classes only in PvP and I'm not also happy to see that due this coming changes out of all PvP characters which I have created I'll have only one fully working character left for PvP. (My mag DK)
I'm also main mag Nightblade, so you may guess that I'm not really happy to see annulment receiving that cast time.

But instead of pointing fingers to others, I may try to remain constructive instead of trying to blame other classes.
We are sitting in the same boat, so we better not to push each others over the edge.

90% of the nightblades i meet die in like 10sec, rollerblades survive untill their stamina is out.
Now smart nightblades the 10%, that uses more than 2 buttons to kill are probably the biggest pain and challenge to kill in this game after DK's that reflect 80% of my build.

Pointing fingers to the problem is what will make the problematic parts of community to really understand that they are major problem in this game. Treaating them like special snowflakes OK OK we nerf DK OK OK we nerf Sorc is not healthy neither constructive as you said.

We are sitting on the same boat, your side sinks the boat making classes not viable.

PS

Before i was informed by changes i was planning to main stamblade(again) next month, now im so disgusted from the general comunity + the way devs treat the forum special snowflakes that ill go back to WoW and trust me, many already canceled sub+will leave this game too.

I can understand your decision. I could also of course solve my issue with other characters of mine and go with full cheese without shields, but I rather not step over that line.

Also I know that several people are gonna leave or quit PvP entirely. One friend of mine which mained Sorcerer only in PvP always had to play with high ping. He will suffer very bad from the cast time and I feel deeply sorry for him and everyone else who have to deal with the same. I TRULY hope that developers listens some sense and drop the idea of cast time. I hope that cast time change will never land on live servers.

ak_pvp

Shields holds back 10kish of damage, (can't be crit, but fully pen'd)

Cloak has 2.5s of dot immunity, invisibility+untargetabilty, and force misses for the same cost as a shield. This has no damage limit to it.

Koensol

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Selective bias? ZoS even invented shieldbreaker soo that nubs that cry in forum will have a chance to kill by using only light attacks, now its my idiotic conclusion?

Take a good look little whineblade ALL NERF THIS threats, they have a nightblade signature below it, since day one of this game.

The pathetic mentality is not me pointing out the truth for you, the real pathetic mentality is to NOT want or be able to L2P and want a class nerfed just because you cant kill it or you cant zerg it with ur friends because it streaks.


L2P both of you, will save you a fair amount of time.
Good luck spoting a sorc next patch, and have fun with the ex sorcs that will have you perma-marked.

Your post shows you have trouble understanding the difference between correlation and causality.

Ozazz

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

none of us would like it to have a 1 second delay on our defences, or our abillity to call 911 and react to someone attacking us in real life.

sorcerers are not "dead", but their main defenses are now dead.
they need to be able to smak a shield at an instants notice. not delayed.

with the new changes being pushed on PTS by the devs to give a 1 second delay on shield casting it is obvious that sorcerers main self defense is pretty much dead.
perhaps now all these cries to nerf nerf nerf and especially destroy other people class defense skill will tone down?

for the past 5 years almost every single day we see new threads demanding and pushing Hard to nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf other classes skills.

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

maybe you guys can back off on trying to push nerfs on other classes constantly.

or are you going to just keep spamming new nerf request threads?

the nerf hammer will becoming for nb next, get ready. i personally don't care for the well being of this game if pts goes live so idc they just destroyed my main after 4 years and over 5k hours on it. this is how they treat their loyalist fans

Nicko_Lps

Koensol wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Selective bias? ZoS even invented shieldbreaker soo that nubs that cry in forum will have a chance to kill by using only light attacks, now its my idiotic conclusion?

Take a good look little whineblade ALL NERF THIS threats, they have a nightblade signature below it, since day one of this game.

The pathetic mentality is not me pointing out the truth for you, the real pathetic mentality is to NOT want or be able to L2P and want a class nerfed just because you cant kill it or you cant zerg it with ur friends because it streaks.


L2P both of you, will save you a fair amount of time.
Good luck spoting a sorc next patch, and have fun with the ex sorcs that will have you perma-marked.

Your post shows you have trouble understanding the difference between correlation and causality.

While your post shows you have trouble understanding how this game works when it comes to damage mitigation.

Learn how damage is mitigated, learn what mitigating buffs+debuffs exist THEN find out what can a magsorc use effectively in PvP and come in touch with reality.

Gilvoth

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kaldrihjarta wrote: »

As a NB main, I can't imagine having Cloak not be instant. It would completely ruin its utility. This is a brutal change for sorcs.

that is the main purpose for this thread, to create awareness that thier nerf requests have created problems that possibly could destroy all classes main defensive and offensive skills.

thank you for the support, we need more people defending this.

Gilvoth

Princessrhaenyra wrote: »

Since it looks like the 1 second cast time is here to stay, I think it's only fair that other classes get slowed down and also have added cast times. Especially cloak.

the above quote i want to highlight here, as the reason for this thread as well as the reason we see so many nerfs in eso.

the nerfs are a result of retaliation, spite, and unfair to all of us.

eso_lags

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

none of us would like it to have a 1 second delay on our defences, or our abillity to call 911 and react to someone attacking us in real life.

sorcerers are not "dead", but their main defenses are now dead.
they need to be able to smak a shield at an instants notice. not delayed.

with the new changes being pushed on PTS by the devs to give a 1 second delay on shield casting it is obvious that sorcerers main self defense is pretty much dead.
perhaps now all these cries to nerf nerf nerf and especially destroy other people class defense skill will tone down?

for the past 5 years almost every single day we see new threads demanding and pushing Hard to nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf other classes skills.

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

maybe you guys can back off on trying to push nerfs on other classes constantly.

or are you going to just keep spamming new nerf request threads?

No. Im sorry but this comparison is terrible. I know plenty of good stamblades who dont duel with cloak because its just cheesy af. And open world image can be just as good if you play good..

Cloak is just something extra. A nightblade has soooo much to utilize as a class. If other classes can play without cloak so can stamblade. Shields, on the other hand, is different because sorcs and magblades are in light armor. Without shields they would get wiped in seconds. They dont utilize dodge rolling like stamina builds. I see a lot of sorcs upset with this but magblades might even be worse off since they dont have the massive shield that hardened ward is. They would have to rely heavily on image or cloak and even still it might not workout.

But you are right about one thing. A cast time for certain skills is stupid. Cloak doesnt need a cast time. It is extremely powerful but cast time ruins skills that people are expecting to hit when they are in trouble. No, a cost increase like streak is what it needs. Its doubtful they will do that, though, because i think most of the people @ zos play nightblades.

Gilvoth

threads with nerf requests are made to hurt and nerf other classes out of retaliation and spite and not interested in actual class balance.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

threads with nerf requests are made to hurt and nerf other classes out of retaliation and spite and not interested in actual class balance.

THIS 100%

Stop the nerfs! This is why people are going to leave the game because so many people want to nerf the hell out of things that are already broken. Soon everything will be nerfed, then y’all will be crying for buffs! Well guess what? You put that on yourself!

Just stop the nerf threads, seriously.