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Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

Gythral wrote: »

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

EDIT: And while I'm thinking about it, why does a 1 second cast time bother you so much in the first place? Sorcs are meant to play at range, so they're probably the class who will handle the changes to harness/dampen the best.

1 second on ESO servers is really a lifetime, 1 second on client waiting to push button - 20s for the poor hamster to see it on the server, 20 more of it to find the correct response

Nerf hamsters 2k18

if they Nerf shields this way (which destroys sorc's defenses) then they will one day nerf all other skills in the same manner destroying gameplay for all of us, not just sorcs.

Logical fallacy spotted
http://www.softschools.com/examples/grammar/slippery_slope_examples/391/

Avnr

if your ping >300ms then shield cast time is 700ms? no !
1.3 sec , or 1.5 sec sometimes
so stuck shields takes about 4.5 sec....brilliant thinking zos


now with the shield stuck; still there players who know to counter good sorc
how you goin to balance them? add them cast time?
there no "out of the box thinking"? just add time?


there some bountiful skilled sorc who work hard and know how to use there skills wisely
just like and other class , they good and they can 1vx
not all can , only the good trained skilled, not just sorc , any class

The_Lex

I'm starting to believe that ZOS wants to watch the world burn.

The_Brosteen

Not really a fan of cloak being nerfed.

Would be cool if dots aren't negated unintentionally by cloak anymore though.

MaxJrFTW

Nope, cloak is op. It needs to cost at least 6k magicka.

Emmagoldman

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

Gythral wrote: »

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

EDIT: And while I'm thinking about it, why does a 1 second cast time bother you so much in the first place? Sorcs are meant to play at range, so they're probably the class who will handle the changes to harness/dampen the best.

1 second on ESO servers is really a lifetime, 1 second on client waiting to push button - 20s for the poor hamster to see it on the server, 20 more of it to find the correct response

Nerf hamsters 2k18

if they Nerf shields this way (which destroys sorc's defenses) then they will one day nerf all other skills in the same manner destroying gameplay for all of us, not just sorcs.

Logical fallacy spotted
http://www.softschools.com/examples/grammar/slippery_slope_examples/391/

you could take it as a logic problem, but I take it as an inference in terms of action and reaction based on the nature of balance.

He's concerned about overall balance vs. whats best for MY class

Donny_Vito

susmitds wrote: »

Then how will NBs especially stamNBs counter DoT builds? Vigor can't outheal 3+ stacked DoTs, even with Rally. NBs dont have access to any healing buffs.

A healer in your group?

VilniusNastavnik

Give it a bit. Someone will find a way to nerf sorcs even further.

drkfrontiers

I would like to see a penalty on NB cloak after detection. 6 secs please.

I would like to see a 6 sec root penalty for anyone that hops more than 4 times in 10 sec window.

Universe

As I posted many times: Cloak should receive the Streak and dodge roll treatment, casting again within 4 seconds should increase it's cost significantly.
There is no way around it, cloak is being spammed way too often, it is time for cloak to receive a penalty so it won't be spammed this much.

Lunerdog

I started playing this game on PC at release, with a while spent on PS4 as a bunch of folk I ran with made the move to console when that released.

Over the years I've seen nerf after nerf after nerf, many of which have had me shaking my head.

But this one, this one right here is a doozy, a time delay on a defensive skill ? A skill which is usually required for INSTANT protection from an incoming attack ?

At this stage, the only thing keeping me playing certainly isn't the combat, it's the game world, I still find it beautiful and usually just go wandering off into it.

But things don't stand still and soon that won't be enough, and the decisions that ZOS are making now may be bring that end sooner than later.

Mismanagement is usually what ruins most things and it looks like ESO is going to be no different...

leepalmer95

Knootewoot wrote: »

Instead of the 1 second cast time, they could try to remove shield stacking or something. Or some other idea. Because yes, shield stacking was a problem.

Sadly like most problems the game has, it is either a very bad placed band-aid, or it is a straight out overreacted nerf.

No shield stacking wasn't.

leepalmer95

All you people crying for a cloak nerf,

I'm sure most of you have like 2 characters at most and haven't really got the game down yet.

But when you finally improve you'll fine cloak an easy to counter skill.

Just slot an aoe.

DeadlyRecluse

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

how would you like to have a 1 second delay on your defences to call 911 and react to someone attacking you in real life?

....I'm pretty sure it takes me more than 1 second to call 911. And that it takes them some time to get here afterwards. Don't think an extra 1 second delay would matter.

The cast time on shields is pretty dumb, but your analogy makes it look positively inspired.

Sylosi

leepalmer95 wrote: »

All you people crying for a cloak nerf,

I'm sure most of you have like 2 characters at most and haven't really got the game down yet.

But when you finally improve you'll fine cloak an easy to counter skill.

Just slot an aoe.

When you finally get PvP in video games down, then you'll understand why PvP in MMORPGs is considered a joke and why crouch (let alone cloak) is completely imbalanced in a game mode like Cyrodil because it completely breaks fundamental concepts that real PvP games have like risk vs reward.

Gilvoth

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

how would you like to have a 1 second delay on your defences to call 911 and react to someone attacking you in real life?

....I'm pretty sure it takes me more than 1 second to call 911. And that it takes them some time to get here afterwards. Don't think an extra 1 second delay would matter.

The cast time on shields is pretty dumb, but your analogy makes it look positively inspired.

it only takes 1 second to be behind in that 911 call and have someone else calls answered before yours were.
1 second can be someones life in not only a phone call but also in defenses in anything, including boxing.
did you know that when human beings meet or see their true love for the first time or during a break up or after having not seen them for years that time stops for them, but for everyone else it was only 1 second.

Urvoth

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that as long as ZOS balances PVE like its a game of King Of The Hill and PVP like its Rock, Paper, Scissors, the cycle of nerfs and revenge nerfs will continue.

Yeah, that’s exactly the problem. Classss shouldn’t be direct counters to each other. This isn’t Overwatch. All the classes should have equally viable ways of killing each other, surviving, and sustaining, not for instance having Class A be really good at killing Class B but dies easily to Class C.

Splattercat_83

crazy_catman21 wrote: »

Cloak should get the streak & dodgeroll treatment.

Too many counters to it already. Quit calling for nerfs when youre just salty.

Cage_Lizardman

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

Thing is, no other class has any type of temporary immortality that can be spammed at will, and still have good offense. Now nightblades will be the only ones who do.

You really think this will make sorcs less likely to complain about cloak? I don't really see your logic here. If anything, this is a very good time to get cloak nerfed too.

Gilvoth

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we nightblades need our cloak, and need to be able to cloak instantly when its important just the same way sorcs need thier shields at an instant same thing, for defense!

Thing is, no other class has any type of temporary immortality that can be spammed at will, and still have good offense. Now nightblades will be the only ones who do.

You really think this will make sorcs less likely to complain about cloak? I don't really see your logic here. If anything, this is a very good time to get cloak nerfed too.

that is false, every class has built in offences and defenses
every class.

please understand what im trying to say in the OP:

people keep asking for nerfs of other classes and it is destroying pvp and pve and eventually the game will die.

Lylith

Lexxypwns wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

how would you like to have a 1 second delay on your defences to call 911 and react to someone attacking you in real life?

In most major American cities 911 calls have a 10+ min response time

'when seconds count, the police are only minutes away...'

look to your own defense or become a statistic.

Caligamy_ESO

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Ok but oddly enough I want to see a meme of a nerf train-

Life in ESO forums ^

Emmagoldman

Urvoth wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that as long as ZOS balances PVE like its a game of King Of The Hill and PVP like its Rock, Paper, Scissors, the cycle of nerfs and revenge nerfs will continue.

Yeah, that’s exactly the problem. Classss shouldn’t be direct counters to each other. This isn’t Overwatch. All the classes should have equally viable ways of killing each other, surviving, and sustaining, not for instance having Class A be really good at killing Class B but dies easily to Class C.

i disagree, I like that classes and builds have hard counters. classes should feel unique and require differnent play depending on not only class but build as well. right now *generally* magdk is a counter to sorc as a sorc is a counter to stam nb. I will also say my stamdk does really well against mag nb and mag sorc in bgs. wings up and dots all day. I love when they spam flame reach with a masters destro staff to have it return

I main sorc but dont think that just because we got crapped on this patch we need to smear it. I want nb to still be nb. Sorc is fun when you have to maintain shields and line up a burst while being able to kite and not be swarmed.

Last point, i know balance is worked around cp. Yet cp is a steaming lump of garbage in pvp. Its much smoother and better game play in non cp.

but hey, they are upping cp and still wonder why healers arnt needed haha

Aesthier

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Ok but oddly enough I want to see a meme of a nerf train-

Found the pic to use for it...

DanteYoda

Cloak should get a 1 min cast time.

Morgul667

This patch note is so bad in every aspect, hope they come to reason but history has taught me better

Mr_Walker

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

Thing is, no other class has any type of temporary immortality that can be spammed at will, and still have good offense. Now nightblades will be the only ones who do.

Yeah, nah.

Maryal

I'm pretty sure sorcs will find a different or alternative primary defense. There are a lot of options, but it's not easy to move out of builds that have felt comfortable and have given us a sense of empowerment.

Experimenting with new or different builds isn't simply a matter of throwing different sets together just because 'on the surface' it looks good or it looks like it should work. You really need to know quite a bit about the game, game mechanics, and have a fair amount of experience under your belt. Some people don't like doing this sort of thing, or maybe they don't have time for it ... for them these changes are even more frustrating because they have to wait for others to come up with alternative/different builds. Once those builds start rolling out then there is a time investment to get accustomed to it and gain mastery over the new build(s). But, once this occurs, sorcs will be just as powerful as ever ... and maybe even more so.

Skullstachio

I wonder how the Shield Changes Will affect "Brawler?" (seeing as how it grants a damage shield that gets 100% stronger for each enemy hit in the cone.)

Heimpai

Universe wrote: »

As I posted many times: Cloak should receive the Streak and dodge roll treatment, casting again within 4 seconds should increase it's cost significantly.
There is no way around it, cloak is being spammed way too often, it is time for cloak to receive a penalty so it won't be spammed this much.

In non cp i can use it twice consecutively, depending on how much the change is i could only use it once..soo I’d obviously change my only defensive skill, guess I’ll start running the cancer builds then