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Before you say "ADAPT"...
TheInfernalRage
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Know that it is precisely your inability to adapt against Sorc players that is being sided by the current PTS.
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TheYKcid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How should they have adapted to sorc shields? Playing devil's advocate.
Why play devil's advocate on a topic that's already been explained to death?
Literally all you have to do is deal damage. Weaves, spammables, one or two layered DoTs and you'll be burning through shields as fast as they can be cast. And pressuring costs far less resources than shield-spamming does, so it trades in your favour.
Burst + CC once shields are down and the sorc with their 22k HP and 9k resistances is toast.
Getting bursted before you can secure the kill? Stop being a potato and learn to recognise the purple cloud of Curse and the bright-ass flash of lightning that is Endless Fury—otherwise known as the most telegraphed combo in the game.
I know you know this, so why be disingenuous about it? Unless you simply wanted the points to be reiterated for the benefit of those unaware. But I can assure you that those who still cry foul about Sorcs as of the WH update either lack the competence or the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these concepts.Edited by TheYKcid on September 19, 2018 4:55PMPC/NA — Daggerfall Covenant — BGs, Kaalgrontiid
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StamWhipCultist✭✭✭✭✭TheInfernalRage wrote: »Know that it is precisely your inability to adapt against Sorc players that is being sided by the current PTS.
You wanna say that my infused DW sloads+ shieldbreaker with zaan build is not adapted against sorcs?14 -
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✭✭How should they have adapted to sorc shields? Playing devil's advocate.
Why play devil's advocate on a topic that's already been explained to death?
Literally all you have to do is deal damage. Weaves, spammables, one or two layered DoTs and you'll be burning through shields as fast as they can be cast. And pressuring costs far less resources than shield-spamming does, so it trades in your favour.
Burst + CC once shields are down and the sorc with their 22k HP and 9k resistances is toast.
Getting bursted before you can secure the kill? Stop being a potato and learn to recognise the purple cloud of Curse and the bright-ass flash of lightning that is Endless Fury—otherwise known as the most telegraphed combo in the game.
I know you know this, @Turelus, so why be disingenuous about it? Unless you simply wanted the points to be reiterated for the benefit of those unaware. But I can assure you that those who still cry foul about Sorcs as of the WH update either lack the competence or the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these concepts.
To be fair, during that burst you can...you know...always block. I know, I know, you guys in the crowd don't have to boo me! I was just being fair!
The real question is when, exactly, would you find a window to go on the offense with these changes? I don't see it unless they do something for light armor users with roll and break free. Otherwise all you would have to do to kill LA wearers is completely go on the offense.0 -
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Because when someone makes a thread with a single sentence statement, I expect them to add reasoning to that statement that others who are not well read or versed can understand.I know you know this, Turelus, so why be disingenuous about it? Unless you simply wanted the points to be reiterated for the benefit of those unaware. But I can assure you that those who still cry foul about Sorcs as of the WH update either lack the competence or the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these concepts.
Otherwise it's just a statement and means nothing.
touchéReistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Edited by Turelus on September 19, 2018 12:20PM@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭✭TheInfernalRage wrote: »Know that it is precisely your inability to adapt against Sorc players that is being sided by the current PTS.
But... I don’t really PvP, so no.... it isn’t.
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✭✭✭✭✭How should they have adapted to sorc shields? Playing devil's advocate.
You remember Summerset? Patch were sorcs were out of control? I fought them then and my kill/death ratio was more or less 50/50 against them. If I was able to kill them when they were strongest, what I will be able to do now?Say no to Toxic Casuals!
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✭✭✭✭✭StamWhipCultist wrote: »TheInfernalRage wrote: »Know that it is precisely your inability to adapt against Sorc players that is being sided by the current PTS.
You wanna say that my infused DW sloads+ shieldbreaker with zaan build is not adapted against sorcs?
I'd say you adapted just fine if your intended target is a mag sorc.5 -
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✭✭✭✭How should they have adapted to sorc shields? Playing devil's advocate.
I have the most trouble against extreme strategies, such as Captain Blackheart's cc or the Planar Inhibitor's overwhelming damage. When I fail to a more hybrid approach, like Selene's, it feels like a learn to play issue, and I quickly start winning rematches.
Meanwhile, Rilis XII needs to L2P himself; facing him is pretty much a guaranteed win.1 -
MetalHead4x4✭✭✭Shieldbreaker, what a crutch set and lots of really good NB's are running it now. We get spammed with it so we can't cast shields, then when our health gets low we are forced to use Healing Ward (which is a shield) and to protect that heal we have to cast Hardened Ward so we just get spammed with it more. It's CRAP.PC/NA Daevyen the Warlock (Sorc)3 -
StamWhipCultist✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »StamWhipCultist wrote: »TheInfernalRage wrote: »Know that it is precisely your inability to adapt against Sorc players that is being sided by the current PTS.
You wanna say that my infused DW sloads+ shieldbreaker with zaan build is not adapted against sorcs?
I'd say you adapted just fine if your intended target is a mag sorc.
Nowadays it seems magsorcs are intended target for everyone.6 -
visionality✭✭✭✭✭StamWhipCultist wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »StamWhipCultist wrote: »TheInfernalRage wrote: »Know that it is precisely your inability to adapt against Sorc players that is being sided by the current PTS.
You wanna say that my infused DW sloads+ shieldbreaker with zaan build is not adapted against sorcs?
I'd say you adapted just fine if your intended target is a mag sorc.
Nowadays it seems magsorcs are intended target for everyone.
To bad they wont be there anymore after next patch.
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✭✭✭✭✭Its definitely just the fault of PVPers who can't handle shield-stackers.
Its got nothing to do with Molag Kena, Nerien'eth, Valkyn Skoria, or a coalition of Trial Bosses complaining to ZOS about not being able to kill shielding sorcs. Nothing to do with PVE players finding content too easy due to high DPS and shields.
and it's definitely got nothing to do with ZOS' stated reason in the last class reps meeting that damage shields make healers useless.
No, this was definitely a PVP nerf that accidently destroyed damage shields in PVE as a side effect of deleting shield stackers in PVP.16 -
HEBREWHAMMERRR✭✭✭✭✭How should they have adapted to sorc shields? Playing devil's advocate.
Why play devil's advocate on a topic that's already been explained to death?
Literally all you have to do is deal damage. Weaves, spammables, one or two layered DoTs and you'll be burning through shields as fast as they can be cast. And pressuring costs far less resources than shield-spamming does, so it trades in your favour.
Burst + CC once shields are down and the sorc with their 22k HP and 9k resistances is toast.
Getting bursted before you can secure the kill? Stop being a potato and learn to recognise the purple cloud of Curse and the bright-ass flash of lightning that is Endless Fury—otherwise known as the most telegraphed combo in the game.
I know you know this, @Turelus, so why be disingenuous about it? Unless you simply wanted the points to be reiterated for the benefit of those unaware. But I can assure you that those who still cry foul about Sorcs as of the WH update either lack the competence or the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these concepts.
Not more telegraphed than me having to weave 5 LAs only to have a giant sound you can hear from the imperial sewers go off, then run in melee range to fear you to get off my 1 spectral bow. Lol that’s telegraphed and not even getting in to the travel time of it. Stevie wonder can time a spectral bow burst.1 -
ExcaliburESO✭✭✭✭That was unfortunate do to that by coincidence after few nerfing patches on other classes most ppl rerolled sorcerer because of the skill lvl it required to play, and also just by coincidence mag sorc is the class that wins bgs with passive executes duels do to pet and shieldstacking and general cyrodil do to shieldstacking streak and sustain with burst potential. And everyone is surprised that this nerf hammer was coming. Everyone knew it, posts about sorcs superiority where mainstream threads for last 5 months. Obviously the hammer of justice was coming for them. Now u can do what u do best reroll or leave.2
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✭✭HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »How should they have adapted to sorc shields? Playing devil's advocate.
Why play devil's advocate on a topic that's already been explained to death?
Literally all you have to do is deal damage. Weaves, spammables, one or two layered DoTs and you'll be burning through shields as fast as they can be cast. And pressuring costs far less resources than shield-spamming does, so it trades in your favour.
Burst + CC once shields are down and the sorc with their 22k HP and 9k resistances is toast.
Getting bursted before you can secure the kill? Stop being a potato and learn to recognise the purple cloud of Curse and the bright-ass flash of lightning that is Endless Fury—otherwise known as the most telegraphed combo in the game.
I know you know this, @Turelus, so why be disingenuous about it? Unless you simply wanted the points to be reiterated for the benefit of those unaware. But I can assure you that those who still cry foul about Sorcs as of the WH update either lack the competence or the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these concepts.
Not more telegraphed than me having to weave 5 LAs only to have a giant sound you can hear from the imperial sewers go off, then run in melee range to fear you to get off my 1 spectral bow. Lol that’s telegraphed and not even getting in to the travel time of it. Stevie wonder can time a spectral bow burst.
Nightblades have telegraphed burst? Now I've truly heard it all. And I say that as a Nightblade main.PC/NA — Daggerfall Covenant — BGs, Kaalgrontiid
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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You mean I've been doing wrong by whispering them first to say "here I come!" ?HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »How should they have adapted to sorc shields? Playing devil's advocate.
Why play devil's advocate on a topic that's already been explained to death?
Literally all you have to do is deal damage. Weaves, spammables, one or two layered DoTs and you'll be burning through shields as fast as they can be cast. And pressuring costs far less resources than shield-spamming does, so it trades in your favour.
Burst + CC once shields are down and the sorc with their 22k HP and 9k resistances is toast.
Getting bursted before you can secure the kill? Stop being a potato and learn to recognise the purple cloud of Curse and the bright-ass flash of lightning that is Endless Fury—otherwise known as the most telegraphed combo in the game.
I know you know this, Turelus, so why be disingenuous about it? Unless you simply wanted the points to be reiterated for the benefit of those unaware. But I can assure you that those who still cry foul about Sorcs as of the WH update either lack the competence or the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these concepts.
Not more telegraphed than me having to weave 5 LAs only to have a giant sound you can hear from the imperial sewers go off, then run in melee range to fear you to get off my 1 spectral bow. Lol that’s telegraphed and not even getting in to the travel time of it. Stevie wonder can time a spectral bow burst.
Nightblades have telegraphed burst? Now I've truly heard it all. And I say that as a Nightblade main.
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✭✭✭✭I'd really like someone, anyone, to explain how they picture magsorcs playing after this patch (obv. the shield change impacts other specs as well, but you can absolutely build light armor versions of every other class without using harness).
I know of 2 non-shield sorc light armor builds, ever. One was a potato, the other was a weird build designed around group utility. Neither were particularly good, or viable for solo/small group PvP.
Are magsorcs expected to disengage every 5-10 seconds now? Are they supposed to just win fights inside of one shield window? Is the play to stack mutagen, maybe a couple healing springs, healing ward, and only cast shields when you have CC immunity (and not the last 1 second of immunity, because you'll be spam bashed and lose it anyway).
There certainly were patches when shield stacking was borderline overpowered. Sorcs last patch (rightly) got a lot of hate for a brain-dead easy burst combo that crutched on unblockable, undodgeable CC. But this change is just a gutting. I don't get it.
Am I missing something? Is there a viable playstyle for light armor magsorc next patch if these changes go live?Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub13 -
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✭✭✭✭✭How should they have adapted to sorc shields? Playing devil's advocate.
Oblivion damage (sload, glyphs)
Resource cost poisons
Hard cc's (Basically if you make them run out of stamina, they're dead)
There's very few sorcs that can win against multiple opponents. Mostly its dedicated players like Dracane, for example. Average sorc cant do that and its pretty easy to beat them.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Fiktius✭✭✭✭ExcaliburESO wrote: »That was unfortunate do to that by coincidence after few nerfing patches on other classes most ppl rerolled sorcerer because of the skill lvl it required to play, and also just by coincidence mag sorc is the class that wins bgs with passive executes duels do to pet and shieldstacking and general cyrodil do to shieldstacking streak and sustain with burst potential. And everyone is surprised that this nerf hammer was coming. Everyone knew it, posts about sorcs superiority where mainstream threads for last 5 months. Obviously the hammer of justice was coming for them. Now u can do what u do best reroll or leave.
So, if this change was directed for mag Sorcs mostly, why other mag classes which may need a shield in their main gameplay style has to suffer too? What kind of justice is that?Edited by Fiktius on September 19, 2018 4:36PM2 -
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Because when someone makes a thread with a single sentence statement, I expect them to add reasoning to that statement that others who are not well read or versed can understand.I know you know this, Turelus, so why be disingenuous about it? Unless you simply wanted the points to be reiterated for the benefit of those unaware. But I can assure you that those who still cry foul about Sorcs as of the WH update either lack the competence or the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these concepts.
Otherwise it's just a statement and means nothing.
touchéReistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
You know there were sets out there designed to kill sorcerers plus a cp tree dedicated to doing more dmg to shields. That is your counter play2 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭StamWhipCultist wrote: »TheInfernalRage wrote: »Know that it is precisely your inability to adapt against Sorc players that is being sided by the current PTS.
You wanna say that my infused DW sloads+ shieldbreaker with zaan build is not adapted against sorcs?
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Right but every time I've ever pointed out there are specific counters in the game to kill Nightblades I got told how someone shouldn't have to build to kill a specific class.Micah_Bayer wrote: »
Because when someone makes a thread with a single sentence statement, I expect them to add reasoning to that statement that others who are not well read or versed can understand.I know you know this, Turelus, so why be disingenuous about it? Unless you simply wanted the points to be reiterated for the benefit of those unaware. But I can assure you that those who still cry foul about Sorcs as of the WH update either lack the competence or the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these concepts.
Otherwise it's just a statement and means nothing.
touchéReistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
You know there were sets out there designed to kill sorcerers plus a cp tree dedicated to doing more dmg to shields. That is your counter play
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Bruccius✭✭✭✭✭The thing I have noticed with all these nerves is that with each ''OP class'' getting nerfed, another becomes OP. Which then gets nerfed. Which makes another class OP. Which gets nerfed, etc. etc. etc.
Either that, or in order to balance an OP class, another one is buffed... making it too OP.
To me it feels like these changes are just a waste of time in the long run, how difficult can it truly be to properly balance these mechanics?0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The thing I have noticed with all these nerves is that with each ''OP class'' getting nerfed, another becomes OP. Which then gets nerfed. Which makes another class OP. Which gets nerfed, etc. etc. etc.
Either that, or in order to balance an OP class, another one is buffed... making it too OP.
To me it feels like these changes are just a waste of time in the long run, how difficult can it truly be to properly balance these mechanics?
Properly balanced mechanics don't keep players grinding to chase the carrot of the ever-changing meta.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You mean I've been doing wrong by whispering them first to say "here I come!" ?
I like to lead with a whispered "Look behind you"
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Right but every time I've ever pointed out there are specific counters in the game to kill Nightblades I got told how someone shouldn't have to build to kill a specific class.Micah_Bayer wrote: »
Because when someone makes a thread with a single sentence statement, I expect them to add reasoning to that statement that others who are not well read or versed can understand.I know you know this, Turelus, so why be disingenuous about it? Unless you simply wanted the points to be reiterated for the benefit of those unaware. But I can assure you that those who still cry foul about Sorcs as of the WH update either lack the competence or the intellectual honesty to acknowledge these concepts.
Otherwise it's just a statement and means nothing.
touchéReistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
You know there were sets out there designed to kill sorcerers plus a cp tree dedicated to doing more dmg to shields. That is your counter play
But there isnt a set out there that goes through roll dodge is my point3
