How to DK Tanks manage Magicka resources?

Ir0nB34r

So for a while I was a SorcTank and had no real issues with Magicka and Stamina sustain. But after switching my main tanking character over to a DK, I find it difficult to manage my Magicka without using potions. Luckily, being an argonian with infused potion jewelry, I have solved that issue mostly. But is there another way to manage these resources without having a Staff on a back bar like I have seen some people suggest?

IZZEFlameLash

1. Don't spam skills.
2. Hold block for the interactive tanking.
3. Repeat.

AcadianPaladin

I run a fairly classic woeler style DK Imperial tank - except I run selfish armor, lol. About 40 health, 23k stam, 22k mag. S&B on both bars. DK is a stam generator so that is no problem. Magic sustain is a challenge though. I run tristat potions, Seducersx5 and mag recovery on all three jewelry pieces to help but it still requires me to pretty carefully try to manage magic use. That is why I wish talons lasted at least a couple seconds longer. . . oh, and that maybe chains was a bit cheaper to cast. . . .

The_Lex

I use the mage's guild skill, Balance.

anathemort

Equilibrium from the Mage's Guild line is quite helpful.

"...without using potions" -- what's wrong with potions? Are you saving them for something else?

Ir0nB34r

anathemort wrote: »

Equilibrium from the Mage's Guild line is quite helpful.

"...without using potions" -- what's wrong with potions? Are you saving them for something else?

Ir0nB34r wrote: »

So for a while I was a SorcTank and had no real issues with Magicka and Stamina sustain. But after switching my main tanking character over to a DK, I find it difficult to manage my Magicka without using potions. Luckily, being an argonian with infused potion jewelry, I have solved that issue mostly. But is there another way to manage these resources without having a Staff on a back bar like I have seen some people suggest?

Pulque

1. Argonian+pot, but you say some else:

2. Meditation
3. Balance
4. Ask for orb
5. Ask for shard
6. Ask for what ever synergy just gimme synergy
7. More synergy
8. Blow war horn
9. Run lich if you still have sustain issue
10. Man really?

Liofa

Balance.

LordDov

Balance
Being a Vampire(optional 10%)
Atro mundus
Mag recovery glyph's
Not spamming skills (I.E letting your healer heal you)
There are many other options

mocap

you can always use two separate monster sets with mag regen and Meditate skill from pjjijjik skill line

Aurielle

I used to run a lightning staff on my back bar when I gave a damn about PVE. My regen was also around 2k.

Asardes

Balance if you have a good healer, stacking recovery if you don't. The latter is less than ideal, since it forces you to go with lower overall HP, and make for a riskier play style:
- a magicka sustain set (I used heavy Armor of the Seducer 1 Chocklethorn 1 Shadowrend)
- having high Ultimate generation and/or cost reduction (I used Akaviri Dragonguard)
- a magicka recovery consumable (I used Whichmother's Potent Brew)
- Atronach Mundus
- magicaka recovery multipliers: being a Vampire (stage 2 suffices, but you can go stage 3 for Undeath passive as well), slotting Support skills (Replenishing Barrier and/or Efficient Purge) and having Magicka Aid 2/2 specced, having a race with Magicka Recovery (High Elf) or Magicka cost reduction (Breton) - not recommended
- being Argoninan and chugging potions on cooldown - recommended for beginners, becomes less important as you get more experience
- equipping a Lightning or Ice staff on back bar and doing heavy attacks - if you pick Ice and have problems sustaining magicka don't spec into Tri Focus passive since it will consume it if you block on that bar.

Ir0nB34r

Pulque wrote: »

1. Argonian+pot, but you say some else:

2. Meditation
3. Balance
4. Ask for orb
5. Ask for shard
6. Ask for what ever synergy just gimme synergy
7. More synergy
8. Blow war horn
9. Run lich if you still have sustain issue
10. Man really?

I was actually thinking about doing the Meditation skill in order to get the damage shield ability when shielding. Seems like a neat thing for a tank to have.

BooPerScOOper

Balance

MartiniDaniels

Use magic absorb on one of the weapons if healer is fake and you dont see orbs, replace chains with silver leash, use witchmother or camorane instead of tri-stat. Use ice staff or bow on second bar if you run pugs. In many difficult dungeons it’s necessary to interrupt second part of boss to avoid wipe and pug dps dont care about it often. So crushing shock/viper arrow is must have and also you receive either ice HA for magicka recovery or bombard on bow to replace talons.

Overall most common will be to place ice staff on second bar.

MartiniDaniels

Balance is great but you need more health then 40k to avoid risk being one-shotted occasionally.

HJSmith24

Balance, if you're in your healer's springs and aren't in a damage-intensive part of the fight your fine
This way, as long as you heavy attack / use shards for stamina, you can save your potions until you absolutely need them in a hairy moment in the fight

Itoq

I haven't tanked in forever - but also a lower cost ult on one bar for emergency resource gain.

MartiniDaniels

I think OP’s problem is that he tries to sit on all chairs at once. First of all if you want magicka-oriented tank you should use magicka recovery race (i.e. argonian via potions), but since you are imperial you should concentrate on health.. go for 60k health and balance and with good heal you’ll be fine in any situation.

Ir0nB34r

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I think OP’s problem is that he tries to sit on all chairs at once. First of all if you want magicka-oriented tank you should use magicka recovery race (i.e. argonian via potions), but since you are imperial you should concentrate on health.. go for 60k health and balance and with good heal you’ll be fine in any situation.

Ir0nB34r wrote: »

So for a while I was a SorcTank and had no real issues with Magicka and Stamina sustain. But after switching my main tanking character over to a DK, I find it difficult to manage my Magicka without using potions. Luckily, being an argonian with infused potion jewelry, I have solved that issue mostly. But is there another way to manage these resources without having a Staff on a back bar like I have seen some people suggest?

I have highlighted an important part you may have missed in my original post.

You also assume too much.

I am a Stam DK Tank, first and foremost. However, things like Green Dragon Blood, Spiked Armor, Talons, Chain, Igneous Weapons, Igneous Shields, etc, are all Magicka based. I have already solved the issue of Magicka sustain while being an Argonian with infused jewelry containing the potion enchant. I was looking to the community to describe other ways people do this.

MartiniDaniels

Ir0nB34r wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I think OP’s problem is that he tries to sit on all chairs at once. First of all if you want magicka-oriented tank you should use magicka recovery race (i.e. argonian via potions), but since you are imperial you should concentrate on health.. go for 60k health and balance and with good heal you’ll be fine in any situation.

Ir0nB34r wrote: »

So for a while I was a SorcTank and had no real issues with Magicka and Stamina sustain. But after switching my main tanking character over to a DK, I find it difficult to manage my Magicka without using potions. Luckily, being an argonian with infused potion jewelry, I have solved that issue mostly. But is there another way to manage these resources without having a Staff on a back bar like I have seen some people suggest?

I have highlighted an important part you may have missed in my original post.

You also assume too much.

I am a Stam DK Tank, first and foremost. However, things like Green Dragon Blood, Spiked Armor, Talons, Chain, Igneous Weapons, Igneous Shields, etc, are all Magicka based. I have already solved the issue of Magicka sustain while being an Argonian with infused jewelry containing the potion enchant. I was looking to the community to describe other ways people do this.

Oh sorry, there was other guy, imperial, you 2 blended in one for me ><

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Ir0nB34r wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I think OP’s problem is that he tries to sit on all chairs at once. First of all if you want magicka-oriented tank you should use magicka recovery race (i.e. argonian via potions), but since you are imperial you should concentrate on health.. go for 60k health and balance and with good heal you’ll be fine in any situation.

Ir0nB34r wrote: »

So for a while I was a SorcTank and had no real issues with Magicka and Stamina sustain. But after switching my main tanking character over to a DK, I find it difficult to manage my Magicka without using potions. Luckily, being an argonian with infused potion jewelry, I have solved that issue mostly. But is there another way to manage these resources without having a Staff on a back bar like I have seen some people suggest?

I have highlighted an important part you may have missed in my original post.

You also assume too much.

I am a Stam DK Tank, first and foremost. However, things like Green Dragon Blood, Spiked Armor, Talons, Chain, Igneous Weapons, Igneous Shields, etc, are all Magicka based. I have already solved the issue of Magicka sustain while being an Argonian with infused jewelry containing the potion enchant. I was looking to the community to describe other ways people do this.

You could drop some of the magic stuff you use. Like spiked armor or chains, for stamina versions, immovable and leash. If you are a "Stam dk tank" then you ought to use Stam.

profundidob16_ESO

1. Atronach mundus. With that Im up to 1000 magicka recovery.

2. Reduce magicka skill usage to only that which is necessary. Work on your bad habit of just spamming skills for the sake of....yeah for what exactly ? Talons, chains and hardened armor regularly. Igneous shield or green dragon blood only when necessary.

3. If you have a good healer, consider slotting balance but if you pug alot this will not be an option to even consider. Learn to rely only on 1 and 2 and consider 3 as an exceptional circumstantial bonus

paulsimonps

My set up that I have used for a while is this:

1 Shadowrend 1 Chokethorn, Atronach mundus, 43p into Arcanist and I use the Orzarga's Red Frothgar for HP and Mag regen. This currently gets me to 1613 mag regen which have been more than enough for me. When my Tri pots are up I get up to 1907. On my back bar I almost always have Barrier slotted for a 10% increase with the Magicka Aid passive, which bumps me up to 1760/2053. This btw is without being vampire, I turn my vampire on and off every now and again cause I want to be able to look at my character without a skin and not be hideous.

Do note as well that if you wear Dragonguard you can get even more, which I sometimes do. I think the highest I ever got was with Tri pots, vampire and dragon guard I got close to 2400 mag regen, might be miss remembering but that is how high I got it.

Oh and don't forget that in good groups you will have magicka steal on most targets you want to taunt.

That is how I sustain my magicka. Though many other people obviously use equilibrium on their tanks, I prefer not to, I like my style. I will ask you this though, what makes you call yourself a "stam DK Tank" is it cause of your DPS spec when soloing or is it from your Max Stamina being your highest stat over magicka or is it cause you are using One Handed and Shield? Cause I don't really get the need to classify a tank as being either mag or stam, they use both ALL the time and have to manage both ALL the time, can't escape it.

Rungar

basically you need ~2k mag regen if you like spamming skills if you cant rely on shards or orbs. You wont have any trouble if you get to 2k.

balance is one way but you can also use a mag regen set like seducer or jorvulds and use barrier for 10% and maybe even clockwork citrus food for more regen.

jorvulds actually helps alot because you because your buffs last alot longer and dont need to be casted as frequently.

JumpmanLane

Try Alteration Mastery. Reduces cost of everything by 6%