Overload needs a physical damage morph for stamsorcs

Artim_X

I agree that stam sorcs should be compensated with a physical damage morph of overload. Overload could be like lightning form with one morph that does lightning damage and one that does physical damage. Like others have mentioned instead of shooting lightning balls it could shoot wind projectiles and the heavy attack could be similar to the whirlwind cloak spell in Skyrim maybe without the knock back (would do wind damage around the caster at melee range, but it would hit everything around the caster instead of the mag version that only hits the front).

Maybe the ultimate could be similar to the destruction staff skills where the effect changes based on what type of weapons you have equipped in this case melee or staff. In this way both stam and mag sorcs can choose between an ultimate that restores resources and one that has better light attack range/heavy attack radius.

TBois

Artim_X wrote: »

I agree that stam sorcs should be compensated with a physical damage morph of overload. Overload could be like lightning form with one morph that does lightning damage and one that does physical damage. Like others have mentioned instead of shooting lightning balls it could shoot wind projectiles and the heavy attack could be similar to the whirlwind cloak spell in Skyrim maybe without the knock back (would do wind damage around the caster at melee range, but it would hit everything around the caster instead of the mag version that only hits the front).

Maybe the ultimate could be similar to the destruction staff skills where the effect changes based on what type of weapons you have equipped in this case melee or staff. In this way both stam and mag sorcs can choose between an ultimate that restores resources and one that has better light attack range/heavy attack radius.

I think most stam sorcs would be extremely happy to get a unique skill that differentiates it from the mag version, but right now people are focusing on pushing for something that is the easiest to code for zos. So just changing the type of damage.

Thraben

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

They should just remove StamSorcs...
I mean, seriously, who ever hear of a Sorcerer not using magic....


lol

https://youtu.be/3jJ-QQrfd4Q?t=1m8s

Summoning Bound weapons as a physical Damage Dealer is a standard playstyle supported by Elder Scrolls games since at least TES 3 Morrowind.

If they hadn´t been so lazy, they would have implemented conjured versions of the Weapon skills on the OL bar instead of putting OL attacks on the main weapon bar. Stamblades have this with multiple skills, and Stemplars also with 2-3 skills. Just the class that WOULD do exactly that according to the lore gets a kick in the teeth.

The ability to combine different conjured weapon skills without a bar change on our Overload bar (like poison injection -> OL light attack -> Critrush) would make the combat much more fluid and would give us back our class identity (without really changing the general Pve DPS balance, as this would mainly affect PvP and solo play) while compensating for the lack of the good buffs or class burst damage skills the Nighblades have.

They could finish all the animations in one day, if they wanted to, it´s basically just recoloring a deadric Greatsword/Bow/Sword/Shield and adding a fade effect at the start and at the end of each animation.

TBois

Here is a description of sorcerers in TES1.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Classes#Sorcerer

Could wear chain mail and swords.

BaylorCorvette

Thraben wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

They should just remove StamSorcs...
I mean, seriously, who ever hear of a Sorcerer not using magic....


lol

https://youtu.be/3jJ-QQrfd4Q?t=1m8s

Summoning Bound weapons as a physical Damage Dealer is a standard playstyle supported by Elder Scrolls games since at least TES 3 Morrowind.

If they hadn´t been so lazy, they would have implemented conjured versions of the Weapon skills on the OL bar instead of putting OL attacks on the main weapon bar. Stamblades have this with multiple skills, and Stemplars also with 2-3 skills. Just the class that WOULD do exactly that according to the lore gets a kick in the teeth.

The ability to combine different conjured weapon skills without a bar change on our Overload bar (like poison injection -> OL light attack -> Critrush) would make the combat much more fluid and would give us back our class identity (without really changing the general Pve DPS balance, as this would mainly affect PvP and solo play) while compensating for the lack of the good buffs or class burst damage skills the Nighblades have.

They could finish all the animations in one day, if they wanted to, it´s basically just recoloring a deadric Greatsword/Bow/Sword/Shield and adding a fade effect at the start and at the end of each animation.

Def a lot of opportunity to expand on StamSorc and really make it unique.

_Ahala_

Class based ult for stamsorc? Yes please!

BRogueNZ

stamina sorcerer's ..

*shakes head*

TBois

BRogueNZ wrote: »

stamina sorcerer's ..

*shakes head*

Read the posts just a few above yours. Stamina sorcerers have been around since the beginning of the elder scrolls universe.

BRogueNZ

TBois wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

stamina sorcerer's ..

*shakes head*

Read the posts just a few above yours. Stamina sorcerers have been around since the beginning of the elder scrolls universe.

I know and it's still funny!

Artemiisia

that would be awesome, right now all sorcs ultimates are mag based, would be great to have a stam version of overload for varity of new builds for sorcs

StaticWave

We need to keep this thread alive so people can see it and get zos's attention!! I already talked to the stamsorc's class rep. He said he will inform zos of this in their next meeting. Let's keep hoping everyone

starkerealm

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It'd be nice, or having some of the magicka focused elements designed to scale off the larger of Magicka or Stamina and either Physical or Lightning, sort of like some of the Sorc Passives already do.

That said, as an ultimate, the only real advantage of having it do physical damage would be that it would scale with Mighty. You also wouldn't deal additional damage with a Dunmer or Altmer stamsorc (if you wanted to play one for some reason.)

I play a dunmer sS, because I'm a lazy prick and neither wanted to relevel a stamsorc with fitting race nor did I wanted to spend crowns for race changing. But there is literally no reason for the second pool since your mag pool will always be smaller as a stamsorc, so no reason to worry about a few % magicka racial.

Scaling doesn't matter with ultimates. The scale off your larger pool, and higher damage stat regardless. Technically, I've never bothered to check, to see if they can mismatch, so it'll take Spell Damage and max stam. Either way, Overolad will scale with your stamina. So, again, you're only missing out on the Mighty Passive, and you do get the bonus from your racials while using it.

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It'd be nice, or having some of the magicka focused elements designed to scale off the larger of Magicka or Stamina and either Physical or Lightning, sort of like some of the Sorc Passives already do.

That would be nice to see more skills like that, similar to how Implosion is. Have it scale of your max resource, it's probably the easiest way to address StamSorc without "hurting" magSorc.

starkerealm wrote: »

That said, as an ultimate, the only real advantage of having it do physical damage would be that it would scale with Mighty.

Also the physical penetration of it.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it picks up the higher penetration score as well. That's one I've never really tried to test. Overload should use weapon pen if it's higher.

Vapirko

Hurricane should also get a debuff attached to it, not having a third bar means stam sorcs have one of the worst access to utility and debuffs of any class.

Chilly-McFreeze

starkerealm wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It'd be nice, or having some of the magicka focused elements designed to scale off the larger of Magicka or Stamina and either Physical or Lightning, sort of like some of the Sorc Passives already do.

That said, as an ultimate, the only real advantage of having it do physical damage would be that it would scale with Mighty. You also wouldn't deal additional damage with a Dunmer or Altmer stamsorc (if you wanted to play one for some reason.)

I play a dunmer sS, because I'm a lazy prick and neither wanted to relevel a stamsorc with fitting race nor did I wanted to spend crowns for race changing. But there is literally no reason for the second pool since your mag pool will always be smaller as a stamsorc, so no reason to worry about a few % magicka racial.

Scaling doesn't matter with ultimates. The scale off your larger pool, and higher damage stat regardless. Technically, I've never bothered to check, to see if they can mismatch, so it'll take Spell Damage and max stam. Either way, Overolad will scale with your stamina. So, again, you're only missing out on the Mighty Passive, and you do get the bonus from your racials while using it.

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It'd be nice, or having some of the magicka focused elements designed to scale off the larger of Magicka or Stamina and either Physical or Lightning, sort of like some of the Sorc Passives already do.

That would be nice to see more skills like that, similar to how Implosion is. Have it scale of your max resource, it's probably the easiest way to address StamSorc without "hurting" magSorc.

starkerealm wrote: »

That said, as an ultimate, the only real advantage of having it do physical damage would be that it would scale with Mighty.

Also the physical penetration of it.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it picks up the higher penetration score as well. That's one I've never really tried to test. Overload should use weapon pen if it's higher.

a) "only might" as if it's not around 20%+ of extra damage
b) you mentioned dunmers, which only have bonus to fire dmg. which does nothing for either overload version. therefor my comment that the racial is irrelevant in that case

Crixus8000

Having identity and more choice would be great but this worries me, I can't see this ever being a better choice than dawnbreaker, if we are going to get buffed I would rather get a buff that is going to make us stronger since we are lacking atm.

Skander

Stamsorcs have literally 4 weapon threes to get their ult from, not counting dawnbreaker

Faulgor

Starlock wrote: »

The change that probably makes me most unhappy and nervous is the change to overload and the removal of the heavy hitting light attacks. Since it's unlikely they're going to reverse that, the least they could do is make one of the morphs do physical damage. However, to do it well I would like a re-tune of the visuals - make it to be pummeling gusts of wind so it fits in with the hurricane theme and makes some logical sense.

RaptorRodeoGod

Skander wrote: »

Stamsorcs have literally 4 weapon threes to get their ult from, not counting dawnbreaker

Every other class can do that too, and choose the one, or in the DK case, two class ultimates.

logarifmik

I'm the only one, who find all this stamina/magicka class balancing course plain stupid and noxious?

iALEXi

This sounds interesting

Chilly-McFreeze

Skander wrote: »

Stamsorcs have literally 4 weapon threes to get their ult from, not counting dawnbreaker

Try playing any class without class damage skills and see how that goes. Except a glorified Blade Cloak, of course.

starkerealm

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It'd be nice, or having some of the magicka focused elements designed to scale off the larger of Magicka or Stamina and either Physical or Lightning, sort of like some of the Sorc Passives already do.

That said, as an ultimate, the only real advantage of having it do physical damage would be that it would scale with Mighty. You also wouldn't deal additional damage with a Dunmer or Altmer stamsorc (if you wanted to play one for some reason.)

I play a dunmer sS, because I'm a lazy prick and neither wanted to relevel a stamsorc with fitting race nor did I wanted to spend crowns for race changing. But there is literally no reason for the second pool since your mag pool will always be smaller as a stamsorc, so no reason to worry about a few % magicka racial.

Scaling doesn't matter with ultimates. The scale off your larger pool, and higher damage stat regardless. Technically, I've never bothered to check, to see if they can mismatch, so it'll take Spell Damage and max stam. Either way, Overolad will scale with your stamina. So, again, you're only missing out on the Mighty Passive, and you do get the bonus from your racials while using it.

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It'd be nice, or having some of the magicka focused elements designed to scale off the larger of Magicka or Stamina and either Physical or Lightning, sort of like some of the Sorc Passives already do.

That would be nice to see more skills like that, similar to how Implosion is. Have it scale of your max resource, it's probably the easiest way to address StamSorc without "hurting" magSorc.

starkerealm wrote: »

That said, as an ultimate, the only real advantage of having it do physical damage would be that it would scale with Mighty.

Also the physical penetration of it.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it picks up the higher penetration score as well. That's one I've never really tried to test. Overload should use weapon pen if it's higher.

a) "only might" as if it's not around 20%+ of extra damage

As in you're only losing one star, not multiple ones. Also, pretty sure it can set off balance, so that's a perk for any stamsorc.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

b) you mentioned dunmers, which only have bonus to fire dmg. which does nothing for either overload version. therefor my comment that the racial is irrelevant in that case

Now, I understand that not everyone has an encyclopedic knowledge of the game, but you could have fact checked this one before you posted. You know, kinda like I just did to make sure I wasn't wrong.

regime211

Muhahahahha

Ratzkifal

Since nobody said it yet, Devs and Class Reps said "Air Atronach" simultaneously when they talked about this. So while no physical overload, you will probably get your ult.

Daedric_NB_187

I'm all for this. But how about the devs finally make stam morphs for all the classes like they did with nightblades? Yeah. We got weapon trees. But that is a poor excuse not to make class based stamina abilities for all the classes. Especially when nightblades have a slew of them and I think warden does too.

Lylith

should've just left that damned third bar alone.

now they're going to have 'adjust' overload with the same finesse that was applied to rune cage. (which also should've simply been left alone)

can't hardly wait.

Betty_Booms

Leave my overload alone u spin to win schmucks lol

Chilly-McFreeze

starkerealm wrote: »

Now, I understand that not everyone has an encyclopedic knowledge of the game, but you could have fact checked this one before you posted. You know, kinda like I just did to make sure I wasn't wrong.

Argh, shame on me, senpai

madeeh91rwb17_ESO

The bound armor also needs an adjustment, I personally like the older version of it better (apart from necessity to slot on both bars)

Emma_Overload

I'd be fine with a Physical Overload, as long as the other morph was the one that returned Magicka.