Comprehensive Feedback Thread on Blackrose Weapons

Strider__Roshin

ChefZero wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Before this patch I thought the resto was OP because of how strong damage shields are, but now I think it's perfectly balanced.

Can you please explain this to me? I don't understand it. When do you think it has been negatively affected and what has that exactly to do with the Major Vitality proc?

Damage Shields performing as they do live in conjunction with easy to access Major Vitality from this staff would be absolutely broken. However since damage shields are getting balanced this update it will no longer be over the top using this staff

Ocelot9x

IAVITNI wrote: »

For the 2h, could they just make it so 70% off the damage is dealt instantly on cast and the Empower/Stun is granted after the full cast duration along with an additional 40% damage after the full channel? This would make the skill much more reliable in PvP and still be a 10% damage boost in both PvE and PvP.

Damn this is a really cool idea (maybe to cool)

TankHealz2015

TESTED:

Black Rose Prison weapon sets: 1 hand & shield (front bar) and bow (back bar)

build: stam DK, argonian, Werewolf

armor sets: 5 automaton (head, shoulders and jewelry) and 5 hulking draugr body

Location: Craglorn. I went to Cyrodil but did not find anyone to fight, so I ent to a Craglorn group dungeon and some group spawn areas.


I use this set up on live in Vivec PvP - invasion, pierce armor, heroic slash, and 2 fighter guild skills (for the damage increase)


LOVE the reduce cost of invasion and the free weapon skill afterwards -- a nice sustain boost

(on live my heroic slash does over 9k damage)


When i swap to bow-- i use the skill that knocks me back a few feet, then swap bars again to invasion back a the enemy...


I morphed into the various poison skills including the poison injection and scatter poison shot

Difficult to tell about the bow bleed ticks...


inside the dungeon, i experimented in Werewolf form and slotted morphs that I normally don;t use.

I was able to stay in form easily and without problem.

I was able to use the devour synergy to extend my form easily and without problem.

I was able to repeatedly set enemies off balance --- hoping that my little pack wolves would benefit from the increased damage done...

Not sure about numbers, but I was very effective in WW form and I took down the big boss with no problem.



Note: I do plan to test the Tormentor Set (charge will taunt enemy) with this same build. Hoping the WW pounce will taunt the enemy.

I will also try again to test in Cyrodil open world and with other set combinations.

Toc de Malsvi

TankHealz2015 wrote: »

TESTED:

Black Rose Prison weapon sets: 1 hand & shield (front bar) and bow (back bar)

build: stam DK, argonian, Werewolf

armor sets: 5 automaton (head, shoulders and jewelry) and 5 hulking draugr body

Location: Craglorn. I went to Cyrodil but did not find anyone to fight, so I ent to a Craglorn group dungeon and some group spawn areas.


I use this set up on live in Vivec PvP - invasion, pierce armor, heroic slash, and 2 fighter guild skills (for the damage increase)


LOVE the reduce cost of invasion and the free weapon skill afterwards -- a nice sustain boost

(on live my heroic slash does over 9k damage)


When i swap to bow-- i use the skill that knocks me back a few feet, then swap bars again to invasion back a the enemy...


I morphed into the various poison skills including the poison injection and scatter poison shot

Difficult to tell about the bow bleed ticks...


inside the dungeon, i experimented in Werewolf form and slotted morphs that I normally don;t use.

I was able to stay in form easily and without problem.

I was able to use the devour synergy to extend my form easily and without problem.

I was able to repeatedly set enemies off balance --- hoping that my little pack wolves would benefit from the increased damage done...

Not sure about numbers, but I was very effective in WW form and I took down the big boss with no problem.



Note: I do plan to test the Tormentor Set (charge will taunt enemy) with this same build. Hoping the WW pounce will taunt the enemy.

I will also try again to test in Cyrodil open world and with other set combinations.

Some players have been dualing in Rawlka, just so you know.

ChefZero

Daus wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Before this patch I thought the resto was OP because of how strong damage shields are, but now I think it's perfectly balanced.

Can you please explain this to me? I don't understand it. When do you think it has been negatively affected and what has that exactly to do with the Major Vitality proc?

Damage Shields performing as they do live in conjunction with easy to access Major Vitality from this staff would be absolutely broken. However since damage shields are getting balanced this update it will no longer be over the top using this staff

The changes to shields are a buff on most builds.

Malamar1229

Destro is kinda a magicka spin to win

Masel

@ZOS_Liforce, @ZOS_Finn, I have an update after the changes on current PTS:

I've been testing the Wild Impulse for a bit now, and it is still disappoiting. Let me put it this way: the only way this weapon is worth it is as a dot that stays on. However, it does not function like critical charge on the maelstrom 2h. The maelstrom 2h dot it puts on is able to critically strike, and this wild impulse is NOT. This way, it adds roughly 1.2k dps on single target, which is a bit weaker than most monster sets. So why doesnt this critically strike? It is attached to a skill in the same way the Maelstrom 2h is, but functions differentely, which doesnt make sense!
If you'd make it crittable, then it would amp the damage up by 35-40%, putting it in line with monster sets and enabling unique new builds that use this instead of a monster set
By the way, the patch note missed the 10% cost reduction.

For the radial uppercut and razor shot: The changes are not going to help these weapons. What a twohander needs in pve is single target dps. You might also want to look into this thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/438626/dual-wield-vs-2h-parses-from-current-pts/p1

For PvE, the twohander lacks single target damage for the reasons I listed in that thread. For PvP, it might be interesting to use it now that one targets gets hit as well, BUT wrecking blow and dizzying swing are hard to land reliably and if you miss the original target, the secondary target wont get hit. Again, I do not see this being use over a 5-piece set and/or a monster set.

The razor shot bow is basically unchanged. It is still promoting a low risk, high reward unhealthy playstyle in pvp and is not dishing out enough damage to be worth using in pve.


Secondly, and this is another big point. Please grant old Arena weapons a 1-piece bonus. Players have requested it for a long time now in countless threads, and it is necessary to have them compete with 5-piece sets and/or a monster set. Most of them are just too weak compared to monster sets, especially since you can one-bar many 5-piece sets out there. I have asked @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_RobGarrett and @ZOS_RichLambert about this multiple times and Rich and Rob are ignoring me, and Gina doesn't know what ZoS' plan is on this.