Why nerfing the Bear?

Xoelarasizerer

And yet the Bear still needs to be on both ULT slots to be used without de-spawning whilst skill bar swapping.
Yeah, so does the Sorc combat pets, but Mend Wounds (Mend Spirit and Symbiosis) dosen't?!

Can we talk about that? How that should be what the combat pets should be doing AT LEAST? If they can't, why can Mend Wounds? ......Or ya know, just Nerf the Bear. That's certainly another idea.

max_only

Tryxus wrote: »

Mephisto939 wrote: »

A 30% damage nerf??? Has anyone even complained that Guardian was outperforming? Well so much for the main selling feature of the Warden.

I've had duelists report me for 14k Bear attacks o.o


I guess this is just a lazy attempt to get Wardens to use other ultimates besides the Bear. Real shame and completely unneeded nerf

Wardens do use other ults, Permafrost for one is used all the time in pvp and pve. I use it on my Warden tank instead of the bear when I’m grouped up. The bear is only for solo questing when my tank has to actually damage some folks.

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

sampol212 wrote: »

Seriously why? Wardens are already the weakest class in the game and now you are nerfing that poor ***?

you didnt read the other changes right? warden going to be best class in cyro and probably also in pve.
..but yeah.. let's shed some tears for the roleplay bear.

A pet class is the draw for the warden. People see pets and pay the money. So yes, let’s shed several tears for an already weak spell that is the main draw of a paid class that hardly hits its target in the first place.

Mephisto939

Kadoin wrote: »

I don't know of a single PvPer that plays warden and slots bear OR has ever complained about it. Wait...hold on...I slot bear in PvP, but rarely.

I use the bear exclusively in PVE. It's garbage for PVP unless someone is using it for the aesthetic. Now it's even worse garbage. Maybe it's job security for the devs and next patch when no one runs bear they will buff it by 31%. Who the hell knows what goes through their heads..

DanteYoda

More pissed off with arctic blast myself.... Yes the bear nerf sucks but i used arctic blast a lot and permafrost as my ult.


I need a new game to spend money on..

Elsterchen

swirve wrote: »

Its called DPS not BPS...

^now, this made my simple mind giggle.

... else @Arciris, i like the way you put your arguments. Good luck with your aim and if the situation gets unbearable... templars may not offer a bear but are on a good path atm.

Mephisto939

DanteYoda wrote: »

More pissed off with arctic blast myself.... Yes the bear nerf sucks but i used arctic blast a lot and permafrost as my ult.


I need a new game to spend money on..

Arctic Blast (morph): This morph now fires a projectile that stuns the target in addition to healing you. It requires an enemy target to cast the ability. This ability also no longer deals damage over time based on your maximum health.

Yeah another dumb unnecessary change. The devs seem obsessed with making everything shoot projectiles.
Who the hell will slot this garbage now?

erlewine

Arciris wrote: »

High percentage of users using one ability doesn't necessarily mean that that ability is OP, actually some of them can be underperforming.

The Bear is used in PvE because it parses the highest. It does around 20% of Magden damage.

Emmagoldman

I'm sad that there isn't one soviet bear meme for this nerf

Mephisto939

Emmagoldman wrote: »

I'm sad that there isn't one soviet bear meme for this nerf

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Zathras

I don't use the bear because I hate hate hate having to double slot skills. That alone was a negative. I also considered it a dps loss, and simply a loss of other utility as I like my little forest of trees. All together, for me, it was the weakest thing to use.

Judging by how the forums are not inundated by "Nerf the f*ing Bear!!one!" threads, I'm guessing I'm not the only one who either a) doesn't slot it and b) sees higher value in other skills.

---> read: it was never a problem to begin with.

It simply doesn't make sense, and there seems to be a lot of that in this upcoming update.

(the skill I do slot is Arctic Blast and that unneeded change disappoints me as well)

If there was a Dev Comment box below to explain the rationale, it might have been easier to swallow. At the least, we could see the why of it in relation to their greater picture for the Warden.

/shakes head and wanders off

UnseenCat

Ever since Sloads, making any proc that gets cried over as OP into a projectile seems to be the new nerf-meta.

Not sure how useful it is, though. PvE enemies don't dodge the projectile. In PvP, you have to be pretty alert in 1vX or large fights to spot it coming, so the balance is tipped mostly in 1v1 or small fights without too much stuff flying so it's spottable. As a need, "turn it into a projectile" seems like a lame way to fix something instead of adjusting the underlying mechanics.

Mephisto939

UnseenCat wrote: »

Ever since Sloads, making any proc that gets cried over as OP into a projectile seems to be the new nerf-meta.

Not sure how useful it is, though. PvE enemies don't dodge the projectile. In PvP, you have to be pretty alert in 1vX or large fights to spot it coming, so the balance is tipped mostly in 1v1 or small fights without too much stuff flying so it's spottable. As a need, "turn it into a projectile" seems like a lame way to fix something instead of adjusting the underlying mechanics.

Actually the "turn it into a projectile" started with crying about Viper. It's the laziest, lamest way to "fix" something.

Arciris

Elsterchen wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

Its called DPS not BPS...

^now, this made my simple mind giggle.

... else @Arciris, i like the way you put your arguments. Good luck with your aim and if the situation gets unbearable... templars may not offer a bear but are on a good path atm.

Hey thanks!
Lucky for me templar was my first eso love (vet rank 10 in closed beta)and i can now come back to them: I have 3.
I just don't like nerfs in general, especially when they hurt the casual player the most: I just want this game to last a very long time.

Arciris

erlewine wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

High percentage of users using one ability doesn't necessarily mean that that ability is OP, actually some of them can be underperforming.

The Bear is used in PvE because it parses the highest. It does around 20% of Magden damage.

Dummy parses are a good indicator of damage but not an accurate measurement in real combat situation.
Bear suffers from the same problems all combat pets have in this game: they die, can be CC'ed, bug out, get stuck in random places ect... The Bear damage was to compensate all of these drawbacks and the fact it needs to be double barred.

And my statement was meant to be general, I was not talking about any ability in particular

Yexil

The nerf to warden DPS from a 30% decrease to bear damage probably won't be as significant as it seems at first glance. The change to the animal companions passive ability will provide 2% more total damage (6% for bear/beetles slotted front bar bear/netch backbar vs. 4% on live). If a warden is doing 30-40k DPS that's a 600-800 DPS increase. Meanwhile the bear (which, from my understanding, does about 4k DPS) will lose roughly 1.2k DPS. So in total, wardens may see a net loss of DPS, but it should be less than 1000. In addition, the changes to sustain via netch and cost reduction will allow wardens to use less HAs and pull more DPS that way. Of course these changes benefit the higher end of DPS players who will have larger relative gains from the 2% increase to total damage done.

karekiz

At least now when my bear dies over and over due to game mechanics I won't be as sad.

Ravenayle

Bear was not OP! I guess not only will my Sorc get hit with a giant nerf bat, but also my Warden's cute Bear?

Just please. If you want to make the other ulti's more popular, then do something to make them BETTER. Don't just destroy the one good Ulti that Wardens have.

max_only

Leave the bear alone

DorianDragonRaze

What's wrong if wardens prefer bear to other ults?

sampol212

There is one good thing about this change. I don't have to farm for Master Architect anymore:)

What_In_Tarnation

1. Nerf bear damage
2. Players stop using bears
3. No more bears around crafting writs turn-in locations
4. Profit. (except wardens)

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.

After a 2nd thought, ZoS nerf Conjure Ward and Annulment, so sorcs will be pretty weak next patch. So not many players play sorc = less pet build around crafting writs turn-in locations.

OH MUH GAWD.

starkerealm

sampol212 wrote: »

Seriously why? Wardens are already the weakest class in the game and now you are nerfing that poor ***?

It's an awkward thing. The bear is (usually) the best ultimate for the Warden as DPS, and the class still under performs.

I don't know. I mean, the idea was, probably, to make other ultimate more viable, and that probably did it. But, the Warden needs help for DPS. At least the mag warden.

StamWhipCultist

Just bear with it, guys.

Asardes

Feral Guardian: Decreased the damage done by the bear summoned from this ability and its morphs by approximately 30%.

It's a buff if you're just an RP-er who uses the bear as vanity pet or someone who's just trolling and has that bear out in towns so it sits on the bank table and doesn't let other people interact with the banker NPC.

Tryxus

starkerealm wrote: »

sampol212 wrote: »

Seriously why? Wardens are already the weakest class in the game and now you are nerfing that poor ***?

It's an awkward thing. The bear is (usually) the best ultimate for the Warden as DPS, and the class still under performs.

I don't know. I mean, the idea was, probably, to make other ultimate more viable, and that probably did it. But, the Warden needs help for DPS. At least the mag warden.

That was prob the plan: buffing up our damage and sustain so that we could use other Ultimates without (much) DPS loss. Making us less reliant on the Bear.

But I guess they "conveniently" forgot that it's a double barred and single target Ultimate...

Would've been better ofc if the Bear stayed the same: acceptable DPS without it, or high single target DPS with less AoE and utility

starkerealm

Letting us single bar the pets (like Mending works now), would have been a nice start.

xxthir13enxx

https://youtu.be/RgKAFK5djSk

Apache_Kid

lagrue wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Apparently to circle jerk back and forth until we're all playing the game with wet ramen noodles as weapons. AKA it's all to appease the PVP crowd who complain about balance that will never, ever be possible to achieve.

The very notion of balance in any RPG style game is like a unicorn that *** diamonds under a rainbow. It doesn't, and realistically cannot exist.

Bingo... PvP crowd cryers are damaging the game for everyone!

I don't know of a single PvPer that plays warden and slots bear OR has ever complained about it. Wait...hold on...I slot bear in PvP, but rarely.

Likewise I don't know a single PVEr who ever said the game wasn't balanced or things needed to be nerfed, but I can find 100s of topics a day that are from PVP players complaining about 'x' being too OP... sooo yeah... just because the devs hit the wrong spot everytime, doesn't detract from the fact they do it to try an appease PVP playerbase.

Whether for the bear or anything else - the only reason they constantly mess with everything is because of the barrage of threads they face everyday from disgruntled PVP players.

You're kidding, right?

Why do you think mag Nightblades lost the ability to offer lots of group heals while doing high dps and now have to choose between the two? Why do you think they took a sustain nerf? Because PvE people on the forums whined and moaned that no one wanted their magden or magplar in for trials and everyone only wanted Magblades because they are simply the best.

There were constant threads in the last few months about nightblades being OP in PvE. Pve players whine just as much as PvP players. PvP players are actually fighting enemies who can think for themselves and can change their builds and attack patterns so obviously there will always be more OP things to complain about in a PvP environment.

Mephisto939

starkerealm wrote: »

Letting us single bar the pets (like Mending works now), would have been a nice start.

Agreed.

Zardayne

I've chalked it up to ZOS really has no idea what the crap their doing when it comes to balance among other things. Hell even creating good, solid, and fun class skills seems to be an epic challenge.
I mean look at some of the other warden changes..they're just spitballing with randomness hoping something will stick to shut most us magdens up.

30% damage reduction of bear damage yet still requires double barring.Give me a F'in break. Who does that?
Increase cost of swarm..wtf
still have to double cast one morph of swarm to get you some more damage like our damn rotation isn't wonky enough already.