PTS Update 20 - Feedback Thread for Housing

Snowfaeriewings

Posted a video of the music box here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/437540/musicbox#latest

I do have a slight issue with the music clashing sounds between it and game music at points where the music box quiets and gets loud again.

Snowfaeriewings

OK now that I could purchase the Xanmeer house.. here are my thoughts.
The size of the place is nice.

The waterfalls as always are fantastic!

I do wish that the whirlpool was a furnishing and not a permanent fixture and could be moved. That is another item I would to see added to furnishing items that I CAN buy for another home.

I was disappointed to see the lack of ability to edit the "aquariums/lake"
That being said I hope that maybe they will add these glass panes to the game as a furnishing to allow for better looking in game aquariums along with the swimming fish!!

The large "aquarium" room is very large and has a lot of flat surfaces making this house a contender for guild halls (Due to the table on platform bugs)

I am still not a big fan of argonian architecture, so I will probably pass on this house. But the waterfalls and huge lake are definitely an appealing addition.

Aliyavana

Not to be harsh, I like the idea of a music box playing music but I am not a fan of how it was implemented.

• They only play one song. I would rather have one music box that I can purchase multiple songs that I use to play in them. Its also one furnishing slot per one unique song in this current model.
• They can take up more than one "Traditional furnshings". We are starving for housing slots and it should be one music box that can play multiple songs, not one music box per a unique song. it should also count under another type of furnishing slot.
• They are not the original songs. I was hoping to hear the actual song, not a simpler version.
• The music boxes seem to be crown exclusive.
• It takes up a inventory space. It should function like collectable furnishings where you can place them from your collectables and they don't take an inventory space.

Mystrius_Archaion

Aliyavana wrote: »

Not to be harsh, I like the idea of a music box playing music but I am not a fan of how it was implemented.

• They only play one song. I would rather have one music box that I can purchase multiple songs that I use to play in them. Its also one furnishing slot per one unique song in this current model.
• They can take up more than one "Traditional furnshings". We are starving for housing slots and it should be one music box that can play multiple songs, not one music box per a unique song. it should also count under another type of furnishing slot.
• They are not the original songs. I was hoping to hear the actual song, not a simpler version.
• The music boxes seem to be crown exclusive.
• It takes up a inventory space. It should function like collectable furnishings where you can place them from your collectables and they don't take an inventory space.

Reposting my points to this thread also:

It's not worth the cost for a "real life music box" when we could have it be more of an ESO magical "bard in a box" which is what we really want.
The free /lute and /flute emotes are better as they are actually the full better songs.

I know I just want a bard to follow me around the world or place in my home with a lute and actually singing the songs.


I am not buying a pale imitation of what I want in a music box in the crown store, not even at 200 crowns or 10 gems which is still too expensive for this limited usefulness

Snowfaeriewings

I have now purchased the Snow Globe home and finally able to play around with it some. I climbed up on the side wall of the snow globe and ran around the thing. Why? because I could ...

I was disappointed to learn that the ice floes were a perma fixture and not movable... I do wish that I could have been able to move those around a bit especially around the water. There was also no movable snow mounds like we have in Pariah's pinnacle.. Which I assume a great many of these will be turned into little christmas snow globes which means snow mounds around the trees etc...

I was very surprised to discover this house has 600 slots! I was expecting less so I am very pleased with that number!

The limits of the build appear to literally be the globe wall u can build up until u jump and hit your head on the top of the globe which is fantastic!
Perhaps this is why we have so many slots in this house..



Also this house seems to come with some Imperial style furniture which is BOP but still nice to have options that can be moved between your own homes.

RaddlemanNumber7

I like the aquarium. A very good idea. But the fish are all grey. When you look at an IRL aquarium the brightest things in it are usually the fish.

Minyassa

I'll be honest, I would've loved the snowglobe were it not for the outside view, and that was a dealbreaker for me. It feels precarious, unsafe and threatening instead of cozy, and the lack of atmospheric snow is confusing. I'll be holding out for a future release of an actual snowy property somewhere environmentally appropriate.

anadandy

General feedback:

Scale of furnishings: This has been a thing for a while, but I notice it again with the snowy trees. So many furnishings are scaled ridiculously large (I'm looking at you, Dibella statue). I get that trees are big outdoor items, but can we throw in a couple smaller ones for non-palatial homes with smaller yards? There isn't that much of a scale difference between the "Tall" snow tree and the regular one - and both were pretty huge in the Snow Globe home.

Music box: I like the concept, but I agree with other posters that I would prefer one object and have multiple songs. Also, I found the volume on these to be too low - had to crank the Effects volume to make but then that made all the other sound effects loud and in my case, I had placed the music box by the fireplace and the crackling fire almost covered the music.

History: Please be able to toggle.

reoskit

It's so odd - people keep saying the music boxes are too quiet. I can hear mine just fine, and without tweaking any normal sound settings. I wonder why the disparity?

Mix

What are you sound settings set at @reoskit ?

reoskit

Poke me tonight, @Mix and I'll jump into the PTS and screenshot them for you.

reoskit

Minyassa wrote: »

I'll be honest, I would've loved the snowglobe were it not for the outside view, and that was a dealbreaker for me. It feels precarious, unsafe and threatening instead of cozy, and the lack of atmospheric snow is confusing. I'll be holding out for a future release of an actual snowy property somewhere environmentally appropriate.

Maybe I'm nuts, but I think it was snowing when I was there?

Mystrius_Archaion

reoskit wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

I'll be honest, I would've loved the snowglobe were it not for the outside view, and that was a dealbreaker for me. It feels precarious, unsafe and threatening instead of cozy, and the lack of atmospheric snow is confusing. I'll be holding out for a future release of an actual snowy property somewhere environmentally appropriate.

Maybe I'm nuts, but I think it was snowing when I was there?

It doesn't snow enough in this game anywhere. It's, at best, a very slight flurry.

I would like snow to vary up to blizzard status even. I want it to actually impact vision and ability to see distant objects more. It just doesn't feel like it is actually snowing and more like "some snow blew off the roof, occasionally".

Mystrius_Archaion

This is more how "snowing" should look in ESO:


ESO "snowing" doesn't even really qualify as a "flurry":


And nothing in ESO has ever come close to a blizzard:

reoskit

A blizzard you say?



I'll see myself out.

reoskit

Mix wrote: »

What are you sound settings set at @reoskit ?

Here you go, @Mix - better late than never.

Mystrius_Archaion

reoskit wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

What are you sound settings set at @reoskit ?

Here you go, @Mix - better late than never.

Your sound settings aren't ideal to be able to hear a lot of things, especially bards and the music box which are both tied to the "effects volume". I'm surprised you can hear them over other things. (Edit: missed that music is set to off for you, but still some things are set loud for you.)

I have a decent, but cheap, soundbar hooked up to my tv by optical audio which is hooked to my computer by hdmi which has a decent on-board sound chip on the motherboard. I still have trouble hearing specific sounds over others, especially the way too quiet bards.
The best I was able to get it to was:
master: 60
music: 30
ambience: 45
effects: 60
footsteps: 45
dialogue: 85
interface: 30

reoskit

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

reoskit wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

What are you sound settings set at @reoskit ?

Here you go, @Mix - better late than never.

Your sound settings aren't ideal to be able to hear a lot of things

I shared my settings per Mix's request because (as I noted earlier) I can hear everything quite well, especially the music box.

Since you mentioned a soundbar, I should note I use a headset, not speakers.

Mystrius_Archaion

reoskit wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

reoskit wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

What are you sound settings set at @reoskit ?

Here you go, @Mix - better late than never.

Your sound settings aren't ideal to be able to hear a lot of things

I shared my settings per Mix's request because (as I noted earlier) I can hear everything quite well, especially the music box.

Since you mentioned a soundbar, I should note I use a headset, not speakers.

That changes things quite a lot. So I guess we both gave people options if they were looking for where to set things depending on their equipment.

I do know my setup works well for both my soundbar and headphones though. I played around with it a LOT to get it just right to hear everything at levels that seemed realistic and yet also atmospheric and pleasant without anything blasting my ears.

Aurie

So, here is a new bug in placing items. It concerns storage chests.

I'm decorating the Enchanted Snow Globe Home, but this is replicated in other properties.

Currently, any item that is stored in a storage chest cannot be placed. The legend: 'The Furniture Item No Longer Exists' appears on the screen.

There is no problem placing items which are in your inventory, but as soon as they are put in a chest the above legend appears on trying to place them. When they are withdrawn from the chest again, they can be placed as usual.

It occurs both inside and outside the house.

Quitting and logging in again makes no difference.

It only occurs on the PTS server.


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Mystrius_Archaion

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Currently, any item that is stored in a storage chest cannot be placed. The legend: 'The Furniture Item No Longer Exists' appears on the screen.

There is no problem placing items which are in your inventory, but as soon as they are put in a chest the above legend appears on trying to place them. When they are withdrawn from the chest again, they can be placed as usual.

So you're trying to place an item in the house visible directly from the storage containers? Does it work directly from the bank even?
I call that working as intended then because you should only be able to place things you currently possess to pull out of your bag and place. It's a little more believable that way.

Earrindo

The new provisioning station, the New Life Hearthfire, has some big problems.
Or little, I should say. It is absolutely miniature, and was clearly specifically modeled to ONLY fit in the fireplace furnishing that comes in the pack.
The ashes are even cut off in a straight line to align with the back of that fireplace.

While I love that some new provisioning stations are incoming, this is a horrible error. The New Life Hearthfire really needs to be identical to the existing fire, flaming. Try placing the new one in an alinor fireplace; it looks ridiculously small.
Also, despite the patch notes saying crafting stations will be less sensitive about other furnishings placed nearby, the current provisioning station STILL cannot be placed functionally into the alinor fireplace.

A final note about the New Life Hearthfire, the activation box is enormous. It shows up when you are quite far away, which is very irksome.

Aurie

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Currently, any item that is stored in a storage chest cannot be placed. The legend: 'The Furniture Item No Longer Exists' appears on the screen.

There is no problem placing items which are in your inventory, but as soon as they are put in a chest the above legend appears on trying to place them. When they are withdrawn from the chest again, they can be placed as usual.

So you're trying to place an item in the house visible directly from the storage containers? Does it work directly from the bank even?
I call that working as intended then because you should only be able to place things you currently possess to pull out of your bag and place. It's a little more believable that way.

It has always been possible to place items from your house storage chests. Once you place a house storage chest in a house, the contents are visible in your housing editor 'place' section, and can be used. It has ever been thus.

And no I'm sure you cannot access and place items directly from your bank, although I don't have any furnishings in my bank so have never tried.

The point of having and placing storage chests in your house is to have immediate access to the furnishings you have put inside them from the housing editor. If that were not so, then you would spend the whole time running back and forth from your chests just to retrieve items, and repeat the process time and again when you find they aren't right for what you intended. That would be terribly inconvenient and time consuming.

You may think that is not 'believable', but there are hundreds of things that are even less believable in this game, and any other. For example, you mention possible access from your bank....do you think that being able to instantly summon your banker anywhere you are in Tamriel is believable? Do you think instant travel from one point to another is believable? No, that all comes under the convenience blanket too, and is what makes a game more pleasurable to play.

So, yes, we can normally access and place our stored housing items directly from the housing editor, and that is what makes the storage chests worth having.

Carbonised

@Aurelle1

Actually you are the one who is mistaken about this, and you even repeat the fallacies.

No, you have never been able to access your storage containers from the housing editor, apart from the specific cases where you first interact with a storage chest, such as open it and look inside, and then the contents become available in the editor. That is the way it has been since forever, and nothing has changed about this. People have asked to get access to the storage containers in crafting stations or housing editor, but this has not been granted so far, most likely since it would defeat the whole purpose of housing specific containers, if all the contents were available as an extended bank. You have to physically go to the container and remove the contents, it has always been like this, apart from the very specific glitch I mentioned, where interaction with a storage chest makes it available in the housing editor for the login session.

Also, another of your mistakes, you can indeed place items from your bank into your home via the housing editor, again it has always functioned thusly. Housing items you pick up will always end up in your inventory, but you can place items freely in your house both from your inventory and from your personal bank.

So if we're going to have a discussion about the housing and placing system, then at least start with the facts on how things actually work first.

Aurie

Carbonised wrote: »

@Aurielle

Actually you are the one who is mistaken about this, and you even repeat the fallacies.

No, you have never been able to access your storage containers from the housing editor, apart from the specific cases where you first interact with a storage chest, such as open it and look inside, and then the contents become available in the editor. That is the way it has been since forever, and nothing has changed about this. People have asked to get access to the storage containers in crafting stations or housing editor, but this has not been granted so far, most likely since it would defeat the whole purpose of housing specific containers, if all the contents were available as an extended bank. You have to physically go to the container and remove the contents, it has always been like this, apart from the very specific glitch I mentioned, where interaction with a storage chest makes it available in the housing editor for the login session.

Also, another of your mistakes, you can indeed place items from your bank into your home via the housing editor, again it has always functioned thusly. Housing items you pick up will always end up in your inventory, but you can place items freely in your house both from your inventory and from your personal bank.

So if we're going to have a discussion about the housing and placing system, then at least start with the facts on how things actually work first.

@Carbonised No I am not mistaken.

Yes you are correct, and you do indeed have to interact with the storage containers each time you log in, and I actually pointed out this very fact months ago on these forums....which you may have missed at the time. But the fact remains that once you have done this, the chest contents are available for placing from the housing editor. And I guess the first thing everyone does on logging in is open their storage chests, so that the contents do appear in the editor and they then don't have to physically remove each item before they can use it.

As for placing items directly from your bank, saying that I was sure you couldn't was obviously speculation, as I did say that I had never tried it as I don't keep housing items in my bank. I did not categorically state that you can't. But maybe you missed that too.

So now I know that you can place items directly from your bank, for which I thank you. How very useful.

But as to knowing how things actually work, I believe I do know the mechanics of item placing in houses, and have probably built from scratch and decorated as many and probably a lot more houses than you.

As for being able to place items directly from your storage chests via the housing editor, for those who think it is not 'believable', how is that different from being able to place items directly from your personal bank via the housing editor? If it is working as intended to be able to do this from your bank without needing to transfer the items into your inventory first, then logically the same should apply to your storage chests. And if so, the glitch is in having to open your chests first, and maybe @ZOS will eventually fix it.

Aurielle

Carbonised wrote: »

@Aurielle

Actually you are the one who is mistaken about this, and you even repeat the fallacies.

No, you have never been able to access your storage containers from the housing editor, apart from the specific cases where you first interact with a storage chest, such as open it and look inside, and then the contents become available in the editor. That is the way it has been since forever, and nothing has changed about this. People have asked to get access to the storage containers in crafting stations or housing editor, but this has not been granted so far, most likely since it would defeat the whole purpose of housing specific containers, if all the contents were available as an extended bank. You have to physically go to the container and remove the contents, it has always been like this, apart from the very specific glitch I mentioned, where interaction with a storage chest makes it available in the housing editor for the login session.

Also, another of your mistakes, you can indeed place items from your bank into your home via the housing editor, again it has always functioned thusly. Housing items you pick up will always end up in your inventory, but you can place items freely in your house both from your inventory and from your personal bank.

So if we're going to have a discussion about the housing and placing system, then at least start with the facts on how things actually work first.

Why did you tag me and yell at me, @Carbonised ?

Carbonised

Aurielle wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

@Aurielle

Actually you are the one who is mistaken about this, and you even repeat the fallacies.

No, you have never been able to access your storage containers from the housing editor, apart from the specific cases where you first interact with a storage chest, such as open it and look inside, and then the contents become available in the editor. That is the way it has been since forever, and nothing has changed about this. People have asked to get access to the storage containers in crafting stations or housing editor, but this has not been granted so far, most likely since it would defeat the whole purpose of housing specific containers, if all the contents were available as an extended bank. You have to physically go to the container and remove the contents, it has always been like this, apart from the very specific glitch I mentioned, where interaction with a storage chest makes it available in the housing editor for the login session.

Also, another of your mistakes, you can indeed place items from your bank into your home via the housing editor, again it has always functioned thusly. Housing items you pick up will always end up in your inventory, but you can place items freely in your house both from your inventory and from your personal bank.

So if we're going to have a discussion about the housing and placing system, then at least start with the facts on how things actually work first.

Why did you tag me and yell at me, @Carbonised ?

Haha sorry, yeah I meant the other Aurielle. Or rather, Aurelle1. Yeah it went a bit fast, I've corrected it now.

As for the intended @Aurelle1 , you're perfectly welcome to ask that items placed in storage should be available in the housing tool, but that's not what you said, you claimed ZOS had changed something from Live to PTS and somehow locked you out of the function, which isn't true. Whether it's going to change or not is an entirely different discussion, and it's really up to ZOS to decide.

If I were you, I'd exchange what you currently have in your bank with what you have in your storage, so that your furniture ends up in your bank and is then freely available in the housing editor, that's the way I do it, and it works perfectly fine. If you choose to keep your furniture in your storage, then you have to interact with them every time you log in for it to be usable, that's how it has always been, and how it always will be unless ZOS changes it. But you started this discussion by writing:

Aurelle1 wrote: »

So, here is a new bug in placing items. It concerns storage chests.

It only occurs on the PTS server.

- Which is simply not true. It's nothing new, and it's not at all different on PTS than it is on live. And as for your comment about having decorated "probably a lot more houses than me", yeah, dream on girl

SantieClaws

Khajiit thinks you would all enjoy a nice soothing break at Claws Temple Spa Resort yes.

Swimming pool, fish, kittens, theatre, vinyard and a one million foot tall statue of Dibella.

Although you cannot access the storage containers travellers. Perhaps that is a good thing is you seek to experience less stress yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Aurie

Carbonised wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

@Aurielle

Actually you are the one who is mistaken about this, and you even repeat the fallacies.

No, you have never been able to access your storage containers from the housing editor, apart from the specific cases where you first interact with a storage chest, such as open it and look inside, and then the contents become available in the editor. That is the way it has been since forever, and nothing has changed about this. People have asked to get access to the storage containers in crafting stations or housing editor, but this has not been granted so far, most likely since it would defeat the whole purpose of housing specific containers, if all the contents were available as an extended bank. You have to physically go to the container and remove the contents, it has always been like this, apart from the very specific glitch I mentioned, where interaction with a storage chest makes it available in the housing editor for the login session.

Also, another of your mistakes, you can indeed place items from your bank into your home via the housing editor, again it has always functioned thusly. Housing items you pick up will always end up in your inventory, but you can place items freely in your house both from your inventory and from your personal bank.

So if we're going to have a discussion about the housing and placing system, then at least start with the facts on how things actually work first.

Why did you tag me and yell at me, @Carbonised ?

Haha sorry, yeah I meant the other Aurielle. Or rather, Aurelle1. Yeah it went a bit fast, I've corrected it now.

As for the intended @Aurelle1 , you're perfectly welcome to ask that items placed in storage should be available in the housing tool, but that's not what you said, you claimed ZOS had changed something from Live to PTS and somehow locked you out of the function, which isn't true. Whether it's going to change or not is an entirely different discussion, and it's really up to ZOS to decide.

If I were you, I'd exchange what you currently have in your bank with what you have in your storage, so that your furniture ends up in your bank and is then freely available in the housing editor, that's the way I do it, and it works perfectly fine. If you choose to keep your furniture in your storage, then you have to interact with them every time you log in for it to be usable, that's how it has always been, and how it always will be unless ZOS changes it. But you started this discussion by writing:

Aurelle1 wrote: »

So, here is a new bug in placing items. It concerns storage chests.

It only occurs on the PTS server.

- Which is simply not true. It's nothing new, and it's not at all different on PTS than it is on live. And as for your comment about having decorated "probably a lot more houses than me", yeah, dream on girl

@Carbonised I don't think we are going to agree whatsoever on this one.

But for the record, this has nothing to do with changing something from live to PTS and so far I have not brought live into the discussion at any time, except for to say in my report that this only occurs on the PTS server. It is simply a difference between what happened in PTS before the latest maintenance ( and still does in the live server, as you have now brought live into the equation), and what now happens in PTS since the latest maintenance. Items are now not placeable even after interacting with chests, and that is when the 'The Furniture Item No Longer Exists' pops up. Maybe you just aren't getting the same scenario, in which case that would explain why you clearly have no idea what I'm talking about.

You fail to see that my bug report has nothing to do with having to interact with the storage chests before being able to access items via the editor, which is what normally happens and still does on live. It is all about the fact that since the last PTS maintenance you cannot place them at all unless you have moved them out of the chest into your inventory.

Perhaps you might like to read my original report again.

So I'll thank you to keep out of this as you clearly have nothing positive to contribute, and let @ZOS decide what the problem is, if there is one.

Aurie

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit thinks you would all enjoy a nice soothing break at Claws Temple Spa Resort yes.

Swimming pool, fish, kittens, theatre, vinyard and a one million foot tall statue of Dibella.

Although you cannot access the storage containers travellers. Perhaps that is a good thing is you seek to experience less stress yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Well, that's made me smile, Santie....thanks for trying to defuse things

A session in your spa, with lovely fish for dinner followed by a long float in the pool sounds just the thing!

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