Snipe Gank Build

regime211

So there's a new snipe gank build going around, where people are being 1 shot, and before anyone says " if you're a good player, you wouldn't be sniped" let's not forget 1. The range in snipe and 2. If your in the midst of battle you wont see It coming.

Waffennacht

Or ya know, the health desync and animation bugs, so it's not like anyone can respond pre-death

regime211

Waffennacht wrote: »

Or ya know, the health desync and animation bugs, so it's not like anyone can respond pre-death

It's running rampant in pvp now, although I still try and enjoy playing, but honestly everyone is now jumping on the gank snipe builds.

Waffennacht

regime211 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Or ya know, the health desync and animation bugs, so it's not like anyone can respond pre-death

It's running rampant in pvp now, although I still try and enjoy playing, but honestly everyone is now jumping on the gank snipe builds.

Because it's stupid, being going on for like a year and @ZOS_GinaBruno or ANYBODY refuses to even @#$&ing acknowledge

usmguy1234

regime211 wrote: »

So there's a new snipe gang build going around, where people are being 1 shot, and before anyone says " if you're a good player, you wouldn't be sniped" let's not forget 1. The range in snipe and 2. If your in the midst of battle you wont see It coming.

The real plague of cyrodiil. I pm'd one of these guys. He said it's not rare for him to get 20k snipes.

regime211

usmguy1234 wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

So there's a new snipe gang build going around, where people are being 1 shot, and before anyone says " if you're a good player, you wouldn't be sniped" let's not forget 1. The range in snipe and 2. If your in the midst of battle you wont see It coming.

The real plague of cyrodiil. I pm'd one of these guys. He said it's not rare for him to get 20k snipes.

Smh

Brutusmax1mus

Lol i did this the other day for fun. Haven't used snipe in probably 2 years. Did spriggans/ hawk eye. It's dumb how broken it is, especially on a night blade with shade and cloak. If the bank doesn't work, you can bet i got away

usmguy1234

Couldn't post the entire conversion because of name and shame rules.

Skinzz

I save my soul assault for snipe spammers.

Brutusmax1mus

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Couldn't post the entire conversion because of name and shame rules.

Those aren't typical though. Ive got 18k snipe on a below 160 cp. 750s vs good players it's more like 8-12k

Aztlan

The best way to use a dedicated snipe build isn't to gank, it's to defend a keep from the castle walls. Sure, you can't take out a whole raid this way, but you can definitely make a bunch of players get off their siege or hesitate to approach a breach when they're being hammered by powerful snipes. I have a build that I keep loaded up in Dressing Room for this purpose, not to gank unsuspecting riders.

ChefZero

Aztlan wrote: »

The best way to use a dedicated snipe build isn't to gank, it's to defend a keep from the castle walls. Sure, you can't take out a whole raid this way, but you can definitely make a bunch of players get off their siege or hesitate to approach a breach when they're being hammered by powerful snipes. I have a build that I keep loaded up in Dressing Room for this purpose, not to gank unsuspecting riders.

I think damage wise the best set combo is marksman + spriggans? But what trait and glyphe are good on bow especially in a non-gank setup, nirnhoned + berserker?

Brutusmax1mus

ChefZero wrote: »

Aztlan wrote: »

The best way to use a dedicated snipe build isn't to gank, it's to defend a keep from the castle walls. Sure, you can't take out a whole raid this way, but you can definitely make a bunch of players get off their siege or hesitate to approach a breach when they're being hammered by powerful snipes. I have a build that I keep loaded up in Dressing Room for this purpose, not to gank unsuspecting riders.

I think damage wise the best set combo is marksman + spriggans? But what trait and glyphe are good on bow especially in a non-gank setup, nirnhoned + berserker?

I think hawks eye gave me more damage. The 2 max stam vs the 2 stam regen is why from what i was thinking. Might be different on a different race that doesn't benefit from max stam like wood elves do tho. I actually still hit pretty hard with that build too, wasn't afraid of close combat.

Aztlan

No guys. Night Mother's Gaze / Marksman or Spriggans / Kena, Veli.

DDuke

"New"?

Though since you mention range you're probably not referring to Asylum Bow builds (which are limited to 20m for their 20k~ burst combo).


Regular snipe builds have their total burst limited to 13-14k (Snipes being 8-9k~ dmg on average) on most targets & pretty much the only way they kill a good player is with a desync or an exploit as they lack any follow up after the target CC breaks the 13-14k dmg & simply dodge rolls/blocks & shields up.

rfennell_ESO

regime211 wrote: »

So there's a new snipe gank build going around, where people are being 1 shot, and before anyone says " if you're a good player, you wouldn't be sniped" let's not forget 1. The range in snipe and 2. If your in the midst of battle you wont see It coming.

It shouldn't be mathematically possible.

But you should clarify a couple things... No CP or CP? Armor type (~physical resist)? Critical resist? Lethal arrow or Focused Aim?

Going full glass cannon alone shouldn't get the tooltip high enough to remotely one shot anyone.

*shouldn't* being the key word.

There have been some changes though since summerset. Weapon damage can be buffed to crazy levels (consider the new monster helm on top of that). W/infused jewelry as well.

Lastly, I've noticed that I've started one shot critting mobs again, from behind and stealthed/shadowy disguised. I thought that was eliminated (the stealth bonus to damage), but I saw a 36k surprise attack crit yesterday and I haven't seen those since the change was made to stealth bonus damage. That's not on a max damage build btw, and I can't reasonably explain it. I did have channeled acceleration up (which I rarely do), but that's just 10% critical.

SilverWF

Vicecanon, Spriggan, 2x monster pieces with mag regen.
Works fine

Master_Kas

Guessing you're not talking about snipespam or asylum snipe, perhaps the snipe-ambush-2h ult/incap combo?

Noticed some nasty gankers using that xD

Waffennacht

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

So there's a new snipe gank build going around, where people are being 1 shot, and before anyone says " if you're a good player, you wouldn't be sniped" let's not forget 1. The range in snipe and 2. If your in the midst of battle you wont see It coming.

It shouldn't be mathematically possible.

But you should clarify a couple things... No CP or CP? Armor type (~physical resist)? Critical resist? Lethal arrow or Focused Aim?

Going full glass cannon alone shouldn't get the tooltip high enough to remotely one shot anyone.

*shouldn't* being the key word.

There have been some changes though since summerset. Weapon damage can be buffed to crazy levels (consider the new monster helm on top of that). W/infused jewelry as well.

Lastly, I've noticed that I've started one shot critting mobs again, from behind and stealthed/shadowy disguised. I thought that was eliminated (the stealth bonus to damage), but I saw a 36k surprise attack crit yesterday and I haven't seen those since the change was made to stealth bonus damage. That's not on a max damage build btw, and I can't reasonably explain it. I did have channeled acceleration up (which I rarely do), but that's just 10% critical.

I thought the only thing removed was having to hit the back of an opponent while stealthed etc

I really haven't paid much attention to it though

rfennell_ESO

Just did a quick test.

With surprise attack + stealth + shadowy disguise 40k damage.

With dizzying swing + stealth + shadowy disguise 60k damage.

Those are way out of whack for 13k and 9k tooltips. Only seems to be on physical damage.

It's not from behind, best I can tell. As long as I'm not seen physical damage abilities are getting the old stealth bonus. It doesn't seem to work on lethal arrow (I'm not respeccing to test things).

I thought that stealthed (eye closed) bonus damage was removed entirely, and I haven't seen in a long while. Might be the issue OP is talking about with focused aim.

DDuke

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Just did a quick test.

With surprise attack + stealth + shadowy disguise 40k damage.

With dizzying swing + stealth + shadowy disguise 60k damage.

Those are way out of whack for 13k and 9k tooltips. Only seems to be on physical damage.

It's not from behind, best I can tell. As long as I'm not seen physical damage abilities are getting the old stealth bonus. It doesn't seem to work on lethal arrow (I'm not respeccing to test things).

I thought that stealthed (eye closed) bonus damage was removed entirely, and I haven't seen in a long while. Might be the issue OP is talking about with focused aim.

Stealth damage was removed only from PvP (nerfed a couple of times between 2014-2016 & then finally removed entirely in Morrowind update) - it has always worked in PvE afaik.

rfennell_ESO

DDuke wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Just did a quick test.

With surprise attack + stealth + shadowy disguise 40k damage.

With dizzying swing + stealth + shadowy disguise 60k damage.

Those are way out of whack for 13k and 9k tooltips. Only seems to be on physical damage.

It's not from behind, best I can tell. As long as I'm not seen physical damage abilities are getting the old stealth bonus. It doesn't seem to work on lethal arrow (I'm not respeccing to test things).

I thought that stealthed (eye closed) bonus damage was removed entirely, and I haven't seen in a long while. Might be the issue OP is talking about with focused aim.

Stealth damage was removed only from PvP (nerfed a couple of times between 2014-2016 & then finally removed entirely in Morrowind update) - it has always worked in PvE afaik.

It doesn't do that damage with non-physical damage abilities.

They have changed so many things I don't even know what's supposed to "be" anymore, to tell you the truth.

Back in the no champion points cap day I used to farm Daedroth in Bangkorai and I could one shot them from behind. Then they changed how much damage it did.

This isn't from behind, it's as long as I'm unseen (eye closed) and it's not like I run through pve stuff very often.

Like I said... it ought not be mathematically possible to one shot people in cyro. I don't see how you get to that big a tooltip regardless of gear and +crit.

DDuke

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Just did a quick test.

With surprise attack + stealth + shadowy disguise 40k damage.

With dizzying swing + stealth + shadowy disguise 60k damage.

Those are way out of whack for 13k and 9k tooltips. Only seems to be on physical damage.

It's not from behind, best I can tell. As long as I'm not seen physical damage abilities are getting the old stealth bonus. It doesn't seem to work on lethal arrow (I'm not respeccing to test things).

I thought that stealthed (eye closed) bonus damage was removed entirely, and I haven't seen in a long while. Might be the issue OP is talking about with focused aim.

Stealth damage was removed only from PvP (nerfed a couple of times between 2014-2016 & then finally removed entirely in Morrowind update) - it has always worked in PvE afaik.

It doesn't do that damage with non-physical damage abilities.

They have changed so many things I don't even know what's supposed to "be" anymore, to tell you the truth.

Back in the no champion points cap day I used to farm Daedroth in Bangkorai and I could one shot them from behind. Then they changed how much damage it did.

This isn't from behind, it's as long as I'm unseen (eye closed) and it's not like I run through pve stuff very often.

Like I said... it ought not be mathematically possible to one shot people in cyro. I don't see how you get to that big a tooltip regardless of gear and +crit.

Yeah, non-physical damage abilities never had the stealth damage modifier. They still don't get the guaranteed crit/stun from stealth if you hit someone with them from behind.


Also...



...that's of course a naked person with no CPs, but still :P

xeNNNNN

Snipe gankers are one of the things I wish did not exist.

xeNNNNN

DDuke wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Just did a quick test.

With surprise attack + stealth + shadowy disguise 40k damage.

With dizzying swing + stealth + shadowy disguise 60k damage.

Those are way out of whack for 13k and 9k tooltips. Only seems to be on physical damage.

It's not from behind, best I can tell. As long as I'm not seen physical damage abilities are getting the old stealth bonus. It doesn't seem to work on lethal arrow (I'm not respeccing to test things).

I thought that stealthed (eye closed) bonus damage was removed entirely, and I haven't seen in a long while. Might be the issue OP is talking about with focused aim.

Stealth damage was removed only from PvP (nerfed a couple of times between 2014-2016 & then finally removed entirely in Morrowind update) - it has always worked in PvE afaik.

It doesn't do that damage with non-physical damage abilities.

They have changed so many things I don't even know what's supposed to "be" anymore, to tell you the truth.

Back in the no champion points cap day I used to farm Daedroth in Bangkorai and I could one shot them from behind. Then they changed how much damage it did.

This isn't from behind, it's as long as I'm unseen (eye closed) and it's not like I run through pve stuff very often.

Like I said... it ought not be mathematically possible to one shot people in cyro. I don't see how you get to that big a tooltip regardless of gear and +crit.

Yeah, non-physical damage abilities never had the stealth damage modifier. They still don't get the guaranteed crit/stun from stealth if you hit someone with them from behind.


Also...



...that's of course a naked person with no CPs, but still :P

wait how though? shadowy disguise is supposed to garauntee a crit on the next ability you use...

unless you're talking purely non-cloak.

DDuke

xeNNNNN wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Just did a quick test.

With surprise attack + stealth + shadowy disguise 40k damage.

With dizzying swing + stealth + shadowy disguise 60k damage.

Those are way out of whack for 13k and 9k tooltips. Only seems to be on physical damage.

It's not from behind, best I can tell. As long as I'm not seen physical damage abilities are getting the old stealth bonus. It doesn't seem to work on lethal arrow (I'm not respeccing to test things).

I thought that stealthed (eye closed) bonus damage was removed entirely, and I haven't seen in a long while. Might be the issue OP is talking about with focused aim.

Stealth damage was removed only from PvP (nerfed a couple of times between 2014-2016 & then finally removed entirely in Morrowind update) - it has always worked in PvE afaik.

It doesn't do that damage with non-physical damage abilities.

They have changed so many things I don't even know what's supposed to "be" anymore, to tell you the truth.

Back in the no champion points cap day I used to farm Daedroth in Bangkorai and I could one shot them from behind. Then they changed how much damage it did.

This isn't from behind, it's as long as I'm unseen (eye closed) and it's not like I run through pve stuff very often.

Like I said... it ought not be mathematically possible to one shot people in cyro. I don't see how you get to that big a tooltip regardless of gear and +crit.

Yeah, non-physical damage abilities never had the stealth damage modifier. They still don't get the guaranteed crit/stun from stealth if you hit someone with them from behind.


Also...



...that's of course a naked person with no CPs, but still :P

wait how though? shadowy disguise is supposed to garauntee a crit on the next ability you use...

unless you're talking purely non-cloak.

Non-cloak, yes.

Shadowy Disguise also only ever gave the guaranteed crit mentioned in the tooltip, not the other sneak (sorry, should've used this word instead) attack modifiers, i.e. stun & more damage (latter of which only works in PvE these days).

PapaWeeb

Try twice born star + marksman/spriggans. Full divines, weapon damage + pen or weapon damage + stam for shielded enemies

rfennell_ESO

DDuke wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Just did a quick test.

With surprise attack + stealth + shadowy disguise 40k damage.

With dizzying swing + stealth + shadowy disguise 60k damage.

Those are way out of whack for 13k and 9k tooltips. Only seems to be on physical damage.

It's not from behind, best I can tell. As long as I'm not seen physical damage abilities are getting the old stealth bonus. It doesn't seem to work on lethal arrow (I'm not respeccing to test things).

I thought that stealthed (eye closed) bonus damage was removed entirely, and I haven't seen in a long while. Might be the issue OP is talking about with focused aim.

Stealth damage was removed only from PvP (nerfed a couple of times between 2014-2016 & then finally removed entirely in Morrowind update) - it has always worked in PvE afaik.

It doesn't do that damage with non-physical damage abilities.

They have changed so many things I don't even know what's supposed to "be" anymore, to tell you the truth.

Back in the no champion points cap day I used to farm Daedroth in Bangkorai and I could one shot them from behind. Then they changed how much damage it did.

This isn't from behind, it's as long as I'm unseen (eye closed) and it's not like I run through pve stuff very often.

Like I said... it ought not be mathematically possible to one shot people in cyro. I don't see how you get to that big a tooltip regardless of gear and +crit.

Yeah, non-physical damage abilities never had the stealth damage modifier. They still don't get the guaranteed crit/stun from stealth if you hit someone with them from behind.


Also...



...that's of course a naked person with no CPs, but still :P

wait how though? shadowy disguise is supposed to garauntee a crit on the next ability you use...

unless you're talking purely non-cloak.

Non-cloak, yes.

Shadowy Disguise also only ever gave the guaranteed crit mentioned in the tooltip, not the other sneak (sorry, should've used this word instead) attack modifiers, i.e. stun & more damage (latter of which only works in PvE these days).

Yeah the sneak crit modifier is something entirely different.

Hence a 13k tooltip being able to do 60k damage. It used to do even more (enough to one shot an elite mob).

It's additional damage on top of the critical. 3x base damage or so.

13k+60% critical=21k. 13kx3=39k. 21k+39k=60k

Was turned off in pvp (it had a lower modifier in pvp anyways).

I thought it had been turned off entirely, was wondering if it was back on for physical... but turns out it was likely never turned off.

Valykc

I still think snipe should be the bow ult and rapid fire should be the skill spammable, with numbers adjusted according, but some would probably disagree lol

regime211

Aztlan wrote: »

The best way to use a dedicated snipe build isn't to gank, it's to defend a keep from the castle walls. Sure, you can't take out a whole raid this way, but you can definitely make a bunch of players get off their siege or hesitate to approach a breach when they're being hammered by powerful snipes. I have a build that I keep loaded up in Dressing Room for this purpose, not to gank unsuspecting riders.

Let me rephrase what I mean, there is a gank build that will basically 1 shot you, and that person can kill multiple people in a few seconds, just look it up on youtube.

regime211

ChefZero wrote: »

Aztlan wrote: »

The best way to use a dedicated snipe build isn't to gank, it's to defend a keep from the castle walls. Sure, you can't take out a whole raid this way, but you can definitely make a bunch of players get off their siege or hesitate to approach a breach when they're being hammered by powerful snipes. I have a build that I keep loaded up in Dressing Room for this purpose, not to gank unsuspecting riders.

I think damage wise the best set combo is marksman + spriggans? But what trait and glyphe are good on bow especially in a non-gank setup, nirnhoned + berserker?

Just YouTube It, the build is so simple and you would be surprised.