Bleeds Are Overpowered

Waffennacht

Iirc warden has 1 HoT (lmao @ non healthden using it though)
Sorc has 0 hot
Templar has only ritual for a hot
As listed above, DK is meh on HoTs

The only class with decent access to HoTs is... Gasp! NBs!

Adenoma

@Waffennacht , although, magdens often using leeching vines/living trellis which deals with DOTs fairly well and templars don't keep up amazing HOTs, but do purge bleeds fairly reliably.

DK is meh on HOTs, magsorc is fairly meh on HOTs (but harness magicka is generally more cost-efficient than popping CDB).

Stamina classes tend to have pretty good access to HOTs between forward momentum/rally, vigor, and more common use of lingering health pots.

But you're right, both stam and magNB deal with DOTs super well - either by cloak suppression, incoming HOTs on both mag and stam variants, or because stamNB wears TK pretty often.

rfennell_ESO

The main issue with bleeds is why do they ignore mitigation?

Poisons don't (dots in particular) and that's as likely as bleeds.

I get the idea behind it, but there are far more bleeds that are cheap and easy to apply than there are poison dots.

DarkAedin wrote: »

Its interesting how nearly every stam build has 2h's hot AND vigor, where mag builds refuse to use the tools given to them in resto staff line.

Adenoma wrote: »

@DarkAedin , I literally only solo or duo.

Nobody is arguing for more heals. We’re discussing variety of heals as a cause for the complaints that seem to be brought by a predominantly magDK crowd. Flame lash is the only true HOT that the class has with a relatively low uptime. Nobody uses cinder storm and literally every other heal is a burst.

U only solo or duo but cant manage to reliably hit urself with a single cast of rr which hits 2 players?
Oo

Heh yeah the fact that the vast majority of stamina builds run two heals is constantly ignored by those that feel healing ward should be enough.

IZZEFlameLash

DarkAedin wrote: »

Its interesting how nearly every stam build has 2h's hot AND vigor, where mag builds refuse to use the tools given to them in resto staff line.

Adenoma wrote: »

@DarkAedin , I literally only solo or duo.

Nobody is arguing for more heals. We’re discussing variety of heals as a cause for the complaints that seem to be brought by a predominantly magDK crowd. Flame lash is the only true HOT that the class has with a relatively low uptime. Nobody uses cinder storm and literally every other heal is a burst.

U only solo or duo but cant manage to reliably hit urself with a single cast of rr which hits 2 players?
Oo

I don't think you played mDK with Resto without pocket heals before. If you did, I don't think you'd say this at all. Pretty sure all these players you are telling to slot Resto have all tried and have went back for block. I know Leif and Leo tried them. And pretty sure they found 700~800 ticks HoT from Resto underwhelming and not viable against 2~3k hitting bleeds on top of defile and other incoming damages like DBoS and such which reduces the miniscule tick to even more depressing number. At which point you are just better off blocking other sources of damage than believing in those miniscule HoT ticks to save you. Only reason to run Resto is its ult which is strong while it lasts otherwise, you risk getting instagibbed while on your back bar.

LeifErickson

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

Its interesting how nearly every stam build has 2h's hot AND vigor, where mag builds refuse to use the tools given to them in resto staff line.

Adenoma wrote: »

@DarkAedin , I literally only solo or duo.

Nobody is arguing for more heals. We’re discussing variety of heals as a cause for the complaints that seem to be brought by a predominantly magDK crowd. Flame lash is the only true HOT that the class has with a relatively low uptime. Nobody uses cinder storm and literally every other heal is a burst.

U only solo or duo but cant manage to reliably hit urself with a single cast of rr which hits 2 players?
Oo

I don't think you played mDK with Resto without pocket heals before. If you did, I don't think you'd say this at all. Pretty sure all these players you are telling to slot Resto have all tried and have went back for block. I know Leif and Leo tried them. And pretty sure they found 700~800 ticks HoT from Resto underwhelming and not viable against 2~3k hitting bleeds on top of defile and other incoming damages like DBoS and such which reduces the miniscule tick to even more depressing number. At which point you are just better off blocking other sources of damage than believing in those miniscule HoT ticks to save you. Only reason to run Resto is its ult which is strong while it lasts otherwise, you risk getting instagibbed while on your back bar.

Rapid regen is a decent skill but not being able to effectively block on back bar made it completely unviable in my opinion unless you completely change your playstyle. If you can't block when playing defensive on a non mobile class you die.

In addition, they broke the vma resto set bonus so it's even worse to run resto back bar.

IZZEFlameLash

LeifErickson wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

Its interesting how nearly every stam build has 2h's hot AND vigor, where mag builds refuse to use the tools given to them in resto staff line.

Adenoma wrote: »

@DarkAedin , I literally only solo or duo.

Nobody is arguing for more heals. We’re discussing variety of heals as a cause for the complaints that seem to be brought by a predominantly magDK crowd. Flame lash is the only true HOT that the class has with a relatively low uptime. Nobody uses cinder storm and literally every other heal is a burst.

U only solo or duo but cant manage to reliably hit urself with a single cast of rr which hits 2 players?
Oo

I don't think you played mDK with Resto without pocket heals before. If you did, I don't think you'd say this at all. Pretty sure all these players you are telling to slot Resto have all tried and have went back for block. I know Leif and Leo tried them. And pretty sure they found 700~800 ticks HoT from Resto underwhelming and not viable against 2~3k hitting bleeds on top of defile and other incoming damages like DBoS and such which reduces the miniscule tick to even more depressing number. At which point you are just better off blocking other sources of damage than believing in those miniscule HoT ticks to save you. Only reason to run Resto is its ult which is strong while it lasts otherwise, you risk getting instagibbed while on your back bar.

Rapid regen is a decent skill but not being able to effectively block on back bar made it completely unviable in my opinion unless you completely change your playstyle. If you can't block when playing defensive on a non mobile class you die.

In addition, they broke the vma resto set bonus so it's even worse to run resto back bar.

Yeah, that is my experience as well tbh even as I am running with Resto right now. I will probably switch back to ice or so. At least the block cost is reduced with ice and gets me Elemental Drain.