What CC for Sorcs now?

MalagenR

Beardimus wrote: »

And this is the issue. The choices are pretty naff. And my gripe is two fold, one is the persistent nerf sorc brigade out 24/7 - it does make you defensive when you main one. Sure Sorc have had times at the top, and times where they were enjoyable to play regardless of effectivness - but U19 feels like neither (as 16 & 17 werent and we now worse) And thats the second - choice. we need choices of setup, and all factors in right now from bar space to effectiveness leads to Reach unless you are a Pro or stubborn. And if you are reach, might as well be a NB and be better at it.

Cage x 4 nerfs, Defensive rune nerfed, OL attack from stealth nerfed, execute nerfed.

Well played #NerfSorcBrigade thats almost a clean sweep. Just wards to go.

OL attack from stealth was nerfed?

NordSwordnBoard

The worst in a way is the nerf to defensive rune, which was working as intended. You can't spam it, it's a reactive skill that nobody complained about in any significant way. So if I wanted to switch back to defensive rune, I can't - it's been hit with collateral damage nerfage from the other morph.

Didgerion

wozborne wrote: »

So, now that Wolfhunter is out what are you PCsorcs using as a CC now? Back to clench? Sticking with a gutted Rune Cage? Streak?

The most reliable sorc's stunning tool now is defensive rune imo. It helps you against gank openings, it helps you break DPS combos and it helps you drain stamina (if non-cp).

But none of the above is enough, Your glass canon damage don't do the job anymore as every patch players find new extremely sustainable builds with incredible damage mitigation and good damage output especially in CP campaigns.

Personally I'm switching to Stam-DK, it is just too painful to grind for new gear...

Mureel

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

I'm seriously considering that set Hide of Morihaus that stuns when you roll through somebody, LOL.

Its heavy armor. Are you really serious ? Just quit playing PVP for sometime or play with alts or quit altogether . I dont think its playable. ZOs promised future nerfs for sorc. Think about it. I decided to quit the game with ESO+ with 5 months active subscription mainly because of it. Reroll NB or DK . Just shelve sorc and take it back if you think it can be viable some day.

Yeah we get it you quit the game, stop already you salty pickle.
Now let us others adapt

Great. Now I want pickles.

Kel

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

I'm seriously considering that set Hide of Morihaus that stuns when you roll through somebody, LOL.

Its heavy armor. Are you really serious ? Just quit playing PVP for sometime or play with alts or quit altogether . I dont think its playable. ZOs promised future nerfs for sorc. Think about it. I decided to quit the game with ESO+ with 5 months active subscription mainly because of it. Reroll NB or DK . Just shelve sorc and take it back if you think it can be viable some day.

Really? Sorcs will ALWAYS be viable because of their delayed burst and mobility. difference now is you dont get kills handed to you with an undodgeable cc -> meteor with a precast execute. I think you’re over reacting.

I dont want to explain one more time . Read my previous posts why sorc is a garbage. Its not overreacting. Many good players already shelved the sorc as far I know. Many chosen to play the non sorc alts . On top of that ZOs promised more nerfs. I have experience of getting kicked for vet trials for using sorc, because only one sorc is allowed in vet trials. I dont think its something right for a game.

My gravest mistake is to make a magic sorc main and too much time in leveling up. I have stam NB and stamden leveled for PVP. PVP is downright boring no variety or balance . Always you have to be NB or DK or stamina for PVP to play competitively . For some people it might be interesting in stomping the noobs and under powered and love t-bagging them. I dont expect any good PVE content anytime soon.

I have done most of the PVE content. Leveling up new toons for the sake of playing competitive in PVP and doing same PVE content to level up is too boring for me. Its not magic sorc nerfed. I lost confidence in integrity of ZOs as a game developer. Probably my last day in ESO forum. I wont respond tomorrow. Good luck.

For someone who's so adamant about not playing a sorc, you sure do comment on sorc threads quite alot.
You said you mained a stamblade, now you're saying you main a sorc. You were saying sorc was garbage at the beginning of Summerset, now you say you mained garbage?
Who can take you seriously?

Unfadingsilence

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I uninstalled the game even with ESO+ subscription for 5 months. Its garbage to play. Not planning to come back. Patiently waiting for other big game releases. My first and last of game of MMO type. MMOs class balancing is *** . ESO taken to ridiculous levels. RIP ESO.

FYI. ZOs never reverted a change after its goes live.

What do you play on? Can you please reinstall and send me your gold and mats?

Minalan

They’ll fix the Sorc class in a month or so, be patient. If you look at the rep discussions it should give some insight into what they’re discussing. Bound armor buffs. Instant proc on crystal blast. Fixing streak terrain issues. Magicka cost on crystal frags. It’s all good stuff.

See you all on the next PTS drop! Until then it’s time for a break.

dassneakereb17_ESO

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I uninstalled the game even with ESO+ subscription for 5 months. Its garbage to play. Not planning to come back. Patiently waiting for other big game releases. My first and last of game of MMO type. MMOs class balancing is *** . ESO taken to ridiculous levels. RIP ESO.

FYI. ZOs never reverted a change after its goes live.

you were playing most op class with broken spell and now you are sad because class became more balanced, why are you complaining about balance in mmo then?

Aedaryl

dassneakereb17_ESO wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I uninstalled the game even with ESO+ subscription for 5 months. Its garbage to play. Not planning to come back. Patiently waiting for other big game releases. My first and last of game of MMO type. MMOs class balancing is *** . ESO taken to ridiculous levels. RIP ESO.

FYI. ZOs never reverted a change after its goes live.

you were playing most op class with broken spell and now you are sad because class became more balanced, why are you complaining about balance in mmo then?

When you will have the knowedge to understand this game come back.

You can expose yourself by telling me why magsorc is balanced. I'm waiting.

RebornV3x

I can't go back to the flame reach meta of pre Summerset again literally the most boring PvP meta for sorc to date I'm definitely shelfing my sorc pvp wise this patch Rune Cage is meh now almost not even worth slotting unless your in a zerg I wish they would give mag sorc and wardens class change tokens and just delete the sorc class at this point

frostz417

Sorcs finally don’t get an indirect buff and finally get nerfed and all the cry baby sorc mains act like it’s the end of the world. Now y’all know how Templars felt in morrowind/homestead and how DK’s felt in dragonbones and imperial city patches. Sorcs needed a nerf. Finally have one. Time to get good at a different class that isn’t thumbless. Hopefully nightblades will be getting nerfed next.

usmguy1234

frostz417 wrote: »

Sorcs finally don’t get an indirect buff and finally get nerfed and all the cry baby sorc mains act like it’s the end of the world. Now y’all know how Templars felt in morrowind/homestead and how DK’s felt in dragonbones and imperial city patches. Sorcs needed a nerf. Finally have one. Time to get good at a different class that isn’t thumbless. Hopefully nightblades will be getting nerfed next.

We never held a funeral for our character like a popular streamer did for his templar so kindy get out unless you have something constructive to say. Thanks.

frostz417

usmguy1234 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Sorcs finally don’t get an indirect buff and finally get nerfed and all the cry baby sorc mains act like it’s the end of the world. Now y’all know how Templars felt in morrowind/homestead and how DK’s felt in dragonbones and imperial city patches. Sorcs needed a nerf. Finally have one. Time to get good at a different class that isn’t thumbless. Hopefully nightblades will be getting nerfed next.

We never held a funeral for our character like a popular streamer did for his templar so kindy get out unless you have something constructive to say. Thanks.

All the the “MUH RUNE CAGE MUH CC” threads lack any construction and is just sorc mains comparing about them losing their “I win buttons” clench isn’t even that bad of a cc like everyone assumes it is. Many classes use it and it works well. Just because it has counter play doesn’t mean it’s trash. Just means you actually need to use skill in your combos instead of using a cheesy unavoidable no skill rune cage wombo combo. Time to get guud.

RighteousBacon

Crystal blast lol

usmguy1234

frostz417 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Sorcs finally don’t get an indirect buff and finally get nerfed and all the cry baby sorc mains act like it’s the end of the world. Now y’all know how Templars felt in morrowind/homestead and how DK’s felt in dragonbones and imperial city patches. Sorcs needed a nerf. Finally have one. Time to get good at a different class that isn’t thumbless. Hopefully nightblades will be getting nerfed next.

We never held a funeral for our character like a popular streamer did for his templar so kindy get out unless you have something constructive to say. Thanks.

All the the “MUH RUNE CAGE MUH CC” threads lack any construction and is just sorc mains comparing about them losing their “I win buttons” clench isn’t even that bad of a cc like everyone assumes it is. Many classes use it and it works well. Just because it has counter play doesn’t mean it’s trash. Just means you actually need to use skill in your combos instead of using a cheesy unavoidable no skill rune cage wombo combo. Time to get guud.

I've had rune cage used against me hundreds of times on multiple classes and died to it only a handful of times. Way less than incap or snipe in the same timeframe...I digress though because such information doesn't fit the anti- sorc propaganda that so frequents the forums.

Morgul667

frostz417 wrote: »

Sorcs finally don’t get an indirect buff and finally get nerfed and all the cry baby sorc mains act like it’s the end of the world. Now y’all know how Templars felt in morrowind/homestead and how DK’s felt in dragonbones and imperial city patches. Sorcs needed a nerf. Finally have one. Time to get good at a different class that isn’t thumbless. Hopefully nightblades will be getting nerfed next.

Every class gets nerfed in TESO, it's like a cycle. Sorc have been nerfed big time in the past, then buffed, then nerfed again.

Nightblades are very good right now but let's hope other classes will be buffed to their levels. I doubt it but a guy can dream right

usmguy1234

Morgul667 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Sorcs finally don’t get an indirect buff and finally get nerfed and all the cry baby sorc mains act like it’s the end of the world. Now y’all know how Templars felt in morrowind/homestead and how DK’s felt in dragonbones and imperial city patches. Sorcs needed a nerf. Finally have one. Time to get good at a different class that isn’t thumbless. Hopefully nightblades will be getting nerfed next.

Every class gets nerfed in TESO, it's like a cycle. Sorc have been nerfed big time in the past, then buffed, then nerfed again.

Nightblades are very good right now but let's hope other classes will be buffed to their levels. I doubt it but a guy can dream right

Sorcs were pretty much there with rune cage. The only fix it needed was not to hit people after they stealth...ie fix the delay after cast and from what other people are saying the breakfree being wonky (however I haven't had nearly as much issues with rune breakfree as I have had with fear)

IZZEFlameLash

frostz417 wrote: »

Sorcs finally don’t get an indirect buff and finally get nerfed and all the cry baby sorc mains act like it’s the end of the world. Now y’all know how Templars felt in morrowind/homestead and how DK’s felt in dragonbones and imperial city patches. Sorcs needed a nerf. Finally have one. Time to get good at a different class that isn’t thumbless. Hopefully nightblades will be getting nerfed next.

As a primarily DK main, I find this funny. Pretty sure NBs get all the indirect buffs and Sorcs got a lot nerfs. Sure, I don't agree with god mode but I don't think you can call Sorcs the benefactor of indirect buffs. It's been NBs more than anything. Hell, NBs never really got a nerf that forced them to change their gameplay like other classes did.

Feanor

frostz417 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Sorcs finally don’t get an indirect buff and finally get nerfed and all the cry baby sorc mains act like it’s the end of the world. Now y’all know how Templars felt in morrowind/homestead and how DK’s felt in dragonbones and imperial city patches. Sorcs needed a nerf. Finally have one. Time to get good at a different class that isn’t thumbless. Hopefully nightblades will be getting nerfed next.

We never held a funeral for our character like a popular streamer did for his templar so kindy get out unless you have something constructive to say. Thanks.

All the the “MUH RUNE CAGE MUH CC” threads lack any construction and is just sorc mains comparing about them losing their “I win buttons” clench isn’t even that bad of a cc like everyone assumes it is. Many classes use it and it works well. Just because it has counter play doesn’t mean it’s trash. Just means you actually need to use skill in your combos instead of using a cheesy unavoidable no skill rune cage wombo combo. Time to get guud.

I guess everyone needs an excuse why he had to respawn. If yours is “OMG Rune Cage OP” then I wonder what you will come up with now.

The main problem with Reach/Clench is that it needs a PvE item to be mildly effective and the fire staff visual is the most telegraphed CC in the entire game.

Besides, most Sorcs never wanted RC to go live in the first place and would have preferred a class overhaul instead.

It’s not our fault the Lead Combat Designer has his own ideas and follows through with them even if told it’s not a grand idea.

ak_pvp

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I uninstalled the game even with ESO+ subscription for 5 months. Its garbage to play. Not planning to come back. Patiently waiting for other big game releases. My first and last of game of MMO type. MMOs class balancing is *** . ESO taken to ridiculous levels. RIP ESO.

FYI. ZOs never reverted a change after its goes live.

Good, don't come back. You are the dwemer paliotologist of sorcs.

As for the stun, streak is too short and melee, rune costs a slot and does nothing but stun mainly and is useless vs the meta roll builds.
So back to reach it is, because everyone liked that.

Beardimus

Minalan wrote: »

They’ll fix the Sorc class in a month or so, be patient. If you look at the rep discussions it should give some insight into what they’re discussing. Bound armor buffs. Instant proc on crystal blast. Fixing streak terrain issues. Magicka cost on crystal frags. It’s all good stuff.

See you all on the next PTS drop! Until then it’s time for a break.

I live in hope as i only read wards nerfs and frag cost reduction on first glance. But aye rest of above would be nice!

Biro123

Beardimus wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They’ll fix the Sorc class in a month or so, be patient. If you look at the rep discussions it should give some insight into what they’re discussing. Bound armor buffs. Instant proc on crystal blast. Fixing streak terrain issues. Magicka cost on crystal frags. It’s all good stuff.

See you all on the next PTS drop! Until then it’s time for a break.

I live in hope as i only read wards nerfs and frag cost reduction on first glance. But aye rest of above would be nice!

Yeah, I don't get what I've been reading.. talk about adding a proc to blast (with cc?) so there is either blast with cc or frag with dmg.. But they gutted the frag damage.. Who's gonna run that for only 10% damage? Would need a significant damage boost to make it worth considering over a cc.. End result is pretty much that blast = the old frag (but slightly less damage). Feels like just going round in a circle, but spending a ton or respecs on the way.

Not sure why the mag cost is an issue.. Only use it when procced - which isn't often enough to be a major sustain pain point.. I find Crushing Shock a much bigger hit on sustain - and notice a real difference in the recov I need when playing staff as opposed to DW. I'd rather that it procced more often - ie could proc from the back-bar like assassins will does. More procs could make the dmg morph more appealing..

Worried about the shields comment. The way I see shields is that because they don't synergise at all with blocking or mitigation, there is no easy way to make up for any shield nerfs with other defensive stats.. You either go all-out shields or all-out mitigation+heals. I can't ever see any sorcs running, say, heavy armour/block + shields - unless the shields are a weak by-product of another ability - and therefore just an added bonus to other defences rather than your main defence.

ATomiX96

I mean technically it would be flame reach, but its being hardcountered by dodge roll and dk wings.
And on top of that Sloads is not pulling NBs out of cloak anymore so cyrodiil population will be 50% stamblade once again therefore clench is useless against their dodge roll spam.

Personal Opinion: Just reroll Stamblade and abuse *** class balancing lol.

dassneakereb17_ESO

Aedaryl wrote: »

dassneakereb17_ESO wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I uninstalled the game even with ESO+ subscription for 5 months. Its garbage to play. Not planning to come back. Patiently waiting for other big game releases. My first and last of game of MMO type. MMOs class balancing is *** . ESO taken to ridiculous levels. RIP ESO.

FYI. ZOs never reverted a change after its goes live.

you were playing most op class with broken spell and now you are sad because class became more balanced, why are you complaining about balance in mmo then?

When you will have the knowedge to understand this game come back.

You can expose yourself by telling me why magsorc is balanced. I'm waiting.

don't wait, don't cry,
git gud or... quit

Aedaryl

dassneakereb17_ESO wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

dassneakereb17_ESO wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I uninstalled the game even with ESO+ subscription for 5 months. Its garbage to play. Not planning to come back. Patiently waiting for other big game releases. My first and last of game of MMO type. MMOs class balancing is *** . ESO taken to ridiculous levels. RIP ESO.

FYI. ZOs never reverted a change after its goes live.

you were playing most op class with broken spell and now you are sad because class became more balanced, why are you complaining about balance in mmo then?

When you will have the knowedge to understand this game come back.

You can expose yourself by telling me why magsorc is balanced. I'm waiting.

don't wait, don't cry,
git gud or... quit

You can't tell me why because you know I'm right, so bad for you

Artemiisia

Sorcs dont have any real cc anymore, you have to use desto ccs......

Feanor

Rune Prison - the base skill - got another reduction to 2 seconds in 4.1.6. Not that it matters, but it's hilarious the base skill is now nerfed once more again...

Artemiisia

Feanor wrote: »

Rune Prison - the base skill - got another reduction to 2 seconds in 4.1.6. Not that it matters, but it's hilarious the base skill is now nerfed once more again...

I think they nerfed bolt escape like 7 times also, next nerf Crystal fragments wont proc

Aedaryl

Feanor wrote: »

Rune Prison - the base skill - got another reduction to 2 seconds in 4.1.6. Not that it matters, but it's hilarious the base skill is now nerfed once more again...

OMG, this is a shame

Can someone post a "beating a dead horse" meme ?

Reverb

Rune Cage got a relatively minor adjustment after months of players complaining that it was too strong for something uncounterable. Templar cc got completely removed after absolutely no one complaining about it, and was left with no class cc or roots. Mag Warden had their class cc completely removed. It's getting tiresome to hear people act like you've been victimized by keeping one of the best cc skills in the game.