Change sets like Master Architect to be...

swirve

Buff duration based on ult points used...

For example 150 points = 10 secs, 75 = 5 secs...

This would make the set more widely viable.

DuskMarine

No

i say no as the set really doesnt compete right now for a major spot you dont need it. itd be better if theyd just rework it into a pure damage set instead of a support set when we really dont have a support class.

swirve

Yes

DuskMarine wrote: »

i say no as the set really doesnt compete right now for a major spot you dont need it. itd be better if theyd just rework it into a pure damage set instead of a support set when we really dont have a support class.

Nightblades might disagree... it does get used by them due to the insane ulti gen and low ulti cost.

testd4n1

No

No.

I don't see why there should be any elaboration on that.

Chibs

It doesn’t need a change master architect and War Machine are very viable for NBs and Templars and even Wardens while Necropotence is more viable on a Sorc or Warden. Not every set is meant to be used by every class.

DuskMarine

No

swirve wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

i say no as the set really doesnt compete right now for a major spot you dont need it. itd be better if theyd just rework it into a pure damage set instead of a support set when we really dont have a support class.

Nightblades might disagree... it does get used by them due to the insane ulti gen and low ulti cost.

i dont see it used in major raid groups its practically useless where you should really need it at. if we had a class thats made for supporting then it might find some real use. pure damage is all anyone needs right now.

swirve

Yes

Chibs wrote: »

It doesn’t need a change master architect and War Machine are very viable for NBs and Templars and even Wardens while Necropotence is more viable on a Sorc or Warden. Not every set is meant to be used by every class.

Necropotence lol... pet sorc...

NBs are by far the biggest beneficiary of MA.

Tsukiino

No

Absolutely not.

Merlin13KAGL

No

So which one are you? You want this to be used on DK's and Sorcs, because they're the only two that can't really justify wearing it at the moment.

It's another niche set, and it's fine as it is. If you start adjusting it, you'll either make it OP on higher ult builds, or it will become underwhelming on lower ult builds, becoming the polar opposite of what it is now.

When they've revamped and made useful even half of the decon sets floating about since beta, then we can talk about changes to set that actually have some purpose.

swirve

Yes

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

So which one are you? You want this to be used on DK's and Sorcs, because they're the only two that can't really justify wearing it at the moment.

It's another niche set, and it's fine as it is. If you start adjusting it, you'll either make it OP on higher ult builds, or it will become underwhelming on lower ult builds, becoming the polar opposite of what it is now.

When they've revamped and made useful even half of the decon sets floating about since beta, then we can talk about changes to set that actually have some purpose.

I have all classes except warden.

swirve

Yes

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

So which one are you? You want this to be used on DK's and Sorcs, because they're the only two that can't really justify wearing it at the moment.

It's another niche set, and it's fine as it is. If you start adjusting it, you'll either make it OP on higher ult builds, or it will become underwhelming on lower ult builds, becoming the polar opposite of what it is now.

When they've revamped and made useful even half of the decon sets floating about since beta, then we can talk about changes to set that actually have some purpose.

How can it be OP, lol.... it takes longer to generate ulti for higher point ultis so that is the trade off to get a long buff...

Low ulti short duration
High ulti long duration

idk

No

swirve wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

So which one are you? You want this to be used on DK's and Sorcs, because they're the only two that can't really justify wearing it at the moment.

It's another niche set, and it's fine as it is. If you start adjusting it, you'll either make it OP on higher ult builds, or it will become underwhelming on lower ult builds, becoming the polar opposite of what it is now.

When they've revamped and made useful even half of the decon sets floating about since beta, then we can talk about changes to set that actually have some purpose.

How can it be OP, lol.... it takes longer to generate ulti for higher point ultis so that is the trade off to get a long buff...

Low ulti short duration
High ulti long duration

Poorly thought through.

Due to rotation lengths of he duration should not be touched at all.

For PvP shortening the duration is irrelevant since it’s the damage increase that would be relevant. For PvE who I their right mind would call for a set to be nerfed.

WrathOfInnos

No

It would end up worthless for everyone with those numbers (more than 50% nerf on am already mediocre set). If it was buffed to be competitive then everyone would use it. Right now it is useful but not necessary, mainly because some classes can utilize it better than others.

That being said, I have found some situations where all classes can use it. For example in vAS+0 (a pure single target fight), if you don’t have nightblades around to wear the set, an Sorc can slot Soul Assault for 85 ult and burst with this after applying DoTs on Olms after a protector dies. This doesn’t work well in +1 or +2 though since splash damage from ultimates is more important.

swirve

Yes

idk wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

So which one are you? You want this to be used on DK's and Sorcs, because they're the only two that can't really justify wearing it at the moment.

It's another niche set, and it's fine as it is. If you start adjusting it, you'll either make it OP on higher ult builds, or it will become underwhelming on lower ult builds, becoming the polar opposite of what it is now.

When they've revamped and made useful even half of the decon sets floating about since beta, then we can talk about changes to set that actually have some purpose.

How can it be OP, lol.... it takes longer to generate ulti for higher point ultis so that is the trade off to get a long buff...

Low ulti short duration
High ulti long duration

Poorly thought through.

Due to rotation lengths of he duration should not be touched at all.

For PvP shortening the duration is irrelevant since it’s the damage increase that would be relevant. For PvE who I their right mind would call for a set to be nerfed.

Perhaps you didnt understand the post... the durations were examples!.

It could be twice the duration i listed, it could be half the cost... etc...

ZoS can balance it to be on par with top sets... simple really

Apherius

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

It would end up worthless for everyone with those numbers (more than 50% nerf on am already mediocre set). If it was buffed to be competitive then everyone would use it. Right now it is useful but not necessary, mainly because some classes can utilize it better than others..

"some", you mean MagNB ?

Someone said " magwarden can use it too ? " there is no point to wear the set on a warden tank or a warden healer when a magNB can use it and buff 2 other magNB lel.

Danksta

No

People don't use Master Architect anymore? Groups I run with make all the magblades use it outside of vCR and vAS.

JobooAGS

Yes

swirve wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

i say no as the set really doesnt compete right now for a major spot you dont need it. itd be better if theyd just rework it into a pure damage set instead of a support set when we really dont have a support class.

Nightblades might disagree... it does get used by them due to the insane ulti gen and low ulti cost.

I dont see the "crazy ult gen" that stamblades. Magblades yes. Without the base 3 ult/sec the potion passive results to be a bit less than .5 ult a second and stamblades barely benifit from siphoner passive (they only use leeching, so 2 ult every 20 seconds?) So their ult gen is compareable to other classes whose ult gen is .5 ult a sec except for sorc who has a hefty ult cost reduction instead. Magblades however, they benefit from both passives to the full extent, so you do have a point there.

Runefang

DuskMarine wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

i say no as the set really doesnt compete right now for a major spot you dont need it. itd be better if theyd just rework it into a pure damage set instead of a support set when we really dont have a support class.

Nightblades might disagree... it does get used by them due to the insane ulti gen and low ulti cost.

i dont see it used in major raid groups its practically useless where you should really need it at. if we had a class thats made for supporting then it might find some real use. pure damage is all anyone needs right now.

Are you sure its not used in major raid groups? Pretty sure the pad 3 Rakkhat burn was done with several NBs running MA.