Fix Overload

MalagenR

Most other ultimates are not nearly as clunky. Projectile speed is incredibly slow, and should be considering the damage it does. No change necessary there, but coming in and out of the Overloard bar should be seamless, but because of the way the animation has been designed you make it almost impossible to use. Activation of Overload should have a strong tell to enemy players, definitely, but we shouldn't have to sit through 2-3 Global Cooldowns because skills refuse to fire due to bugs your animation code is causing. Please fix!

Beardimus

Agreed.

The speed etc does give balance to its power I'm with you there, but the bugs have been around for years. Speed getting in / out of the graphics don't change and you get stuck in OL but staff in your hand

Etc etc. The bugs need fixing

Kikke

Agreed.

Feanor

I’d like Overload remade into a good lightning based damage ultimate with a physical damage morph for stamSorcs. Get rid of the 3rd bar, free up bar space by eliminating the need to double bar, improve existing skills that are toggles and have limited use and value, introduce a cheap and low damage class spammable to untie Sorcs from Staves, and overhaul the class passives.

MalagenR

Feanor wrote: »

I’d like Overload remade into a good lightning based damage ultimate with a physical damage morph for stamSorcs. Get rid of the 3rd bar, free up bar space by eliminating the need to double bar, improve existing skills that are toggles and have limited use and value, introduce a cheap and low damage class spammable to untie Sorcs from Staves, and overhaul the class passives.

I'd love to see Overload remade, perhaps into a very powerful single target damage over time skill. Or, if they can fix the animation, you get the 3rd bar, reduce the damage, and turn the heavy attack into a single target channel and the light attack into a single target DOT when it lands.

Lots of things could be done really - as it is right now it's not fair we keep getting nerfed but so much of our *** is broken.

Caleb_Kadesh

Does anyone else get stuck in Heavy Attacks. I'll be spamming light attack Overload then all of a sudden I am in heavy attack and I'm not pushing any buttons?

Feanor

Caleb_Kadesh wrote: »

Does anyone else get stuck in Heavy Attacks. I'll be spamming light attack Overload then all of a sudden I am in heavy attack and I'm not pushing any buttons?

It has been like that since ages.

Apherius

- Power Overload

• Change it, so you could still do your rotation and swap bar, and each light attack with a weapon would consume ultimates and deal additional damage until you run out or toggle off the ultimate, or make it deplete ultimate every 2 sec.
  Charge your fists weapons with the power of the storm, Light attacks become Lightning bolts dealing X additional damage, and your heavy attacks blast enemies in target area near the target for X additional damage. Both attacks restores 300 magicka ( this would help with sustain a bit ) Attacks deplete Ultimate until you run out or the ability is toggled off. you can not gain ultimate while using this ultimate.
• And keep the Energy Overload morph as it is, for those who want to play with a third bar and/or gank players, this would make both choise interresting.

MalagenR

Apherius wrote: »

Time to copy past my idea another time, I would love it to work like elemental weapon.

- Power Overload

• Change it, so you could still do your rotation and swap bar, and each light attack with a weapon would consume ultimates and deal additional damage until you run out or toggle off the ultimate, or make it deplete ultimate every 2 sec.
  Charge your fists weapons with the power of the storm, Light attacks become Lightning bolts dealing X additional damage, and your heavy attacks blast enemies in target area near the target for X additional damage. Both attacks restores 300 magicka ( this would help with sustain a bit ) Attacks deplete Ultimate until you run out or the ability is toggled off. you can not gain ultimate while using this ultimate.
• And keep the Energy Overload morph as it is, for those who want to play with a third bar and/or gank players, this would make both choise interresting.

Also a solid idea. It could work just like a shock enchantment, and fits very well into the class as it currently stands as the lightning class. I'd prefer for it to be damage over time because we already have so many burst choices that an ultimate that provides sustained DPS would nice. Increase the cost to a flat 100, this would allow you to fire off 5 enchanted light attacks that each do a DOT, perhaps as strong or stronger than the Overwhelming Surge DOT, they all stack, but can be healed/shielded through, or 1 enchanted Heavy attack (because it channels lik 3-4 clicks and then the final hit) that hits really hard, this way you have a burst option that requires a cast time channel or an instant sustained DOT.

Apherius

MalagenR wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

Time to copy past my idea another time, I would love it to work like elemental weapon.

- Power Overload

• Change it, so you could still do your rotation and swap bar, and each light attack with a weapon would consume ultimates and deal additional damage until you run out or toggle off the ultimate, or make it deplete ultimate every 2 sec.
  Charge your fists weapons with the power of the storm, Light attacks become Lightning bolts dealing X additional damage, and your heavy attacks blast enemies in target area near the target for X additional damage. Both attacks restores 300 magicka ( this would help with sustain a bit ) Attacks deplete Ultimate until you run out or the ability is toggled off. you can not gain ultimate while using this ultimate.
• And keep the Energy Overload morph as it is, for those who want to play with a third bar and/or gank players, this would make both choise interresting.

Also a solid idea. It could work just like a shock enchantment, and fits very well into the class as it currently stands as the lightning class. I'd prefer for it to be damage over time because we already have so many burst choices that an ultimate that provides sustained DPS would nice. Increase the cost to a flat 100, this would allow you to fire off 5 enchanted light attacks that each do a DOT, perhaps as strong or stronger than the Overwhelming Surge DOT, they all stack, but can be healed/shielded through, or 1 enchanted Heavy attack (because it channels lik 3-4 clicks and then the final hit) that hits really hard, this way you have a burst option that requires a cast time channel or an instant sustained DOT.

You mean light attacks would become lightning bolts dealing X additional lightning damage over time ? let's not forgot overwhelming surge Dot deal 2K damage per sec, 2K damage over time + 300 magicka ( instant) for 100 ultimate is not interesting. the storm atro already work like a " Dot " I wanted this ultimate to be different.

Deplete something like 20/30 ultimate every 2 sec, It would reward skilful gameplay with increased damage if your weaving is perfect, They would need to balance it ofc, make it deal a bit more damage ( just a bit, cause it also help with sustain ) than the atronach if your weaving is perfect, if your weaving is bad ... at least the ultimate would help you with sustain a bit.

Then make it so you need to toggle the ability off after X light/heavy attack ( during X sec ) because the power of the storm becomes uncontrollable ( If you don't it would deal slightly and restore slightly more magicka but slow you down up to 80% of your base speed).

Pretty difficult to explain, I want it to be an ultimate you need to manage, something that reward skilful gameplay but also allow the player to do more damage at the expense of his movement speed.

The energy overload morph would stay a burst ultimate.

MalagenR

Apherius wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

Time to copy past my idea another time, I would love it to work like elemental weapon.

- Power Overload

• Change it, so you could still do your rotation and swap bar, and each light attack with a weapon would consume ultimates and deal additional damage until you run out or toggle off the ultimate, or make it deplete ultimate every 2 sec.
  Charge your fists weapons with the power of the storm, Light attacks become Lightning bolts dealing X additional damage, and your heavy attacks blast enemies in target area near the target for X additional damage. Both attacks restores 300 magicka ( this would help with sustain a bit ) Attacks deplete Ultimate until you run out or the ability is toggled off. you can not gain ultimate while using this ultimate.
• And keep the Energy Overload morph as it is, for those who want to play with a third bar and/or gank players, this would make both choise interresting.

Also a solid idea. It could work just like a shock enchantment, and fits very well into the class as it currently stands as the lightning class. I'd prefer for it to be damage over time because we already have so many burst choices that an ultimate that provides sustained DPS would nice. Increase the cost to a flat 100, this would allow you to fire off 5 enchanted light attacks that each do a DOT, perhaps as strong or stronger than the Overwhelming Surge DOT, they all stack, but can be healed/shielded through, or 1 enchanted Heavy attack (because it channels lik 3-4 clicks and then the final hit) that hits really hard, this way you have a burst option that requires a cast time channel or an instant sustained DOT.

You mean light attacks would become lightning bolts dealing X additional lightning damage over time ? let's not forgot overwhelming surge Dot deal 2K damage per sec, 2K damage over time + 300 magicka ( instant) for 100 ultimate is not interesting. the storm atro already work like a " Dot " I wanted this ultimate to be different.

Deplete something like 20/30 ultimate every 2 sec, It would reward skilful gameplay with increased damage if your weaving is perfect, They would need to balance it ofc, make it deal a bit more damage ( just a bit, cause it also help with sustain ) than the atronach if your weaving is perfect, if your weaving is bad ... at least the ultimate would help you with sustain a bit.

Then make it so you need to toggle the ability off after X light/heavy attack ( during X sec ) because the power of the storm becomes uncontrollable ( If you don't it would deal slightly and restore slightly more magicka but slow you down up to 80% of your base speed).

Pretty difficult to explain, I want it to be an ultimate you need to manage, something that reward skilful gameplay but also allow the player to do more damage at the expense of his movement speed.

The energy overload morph would stay a burst ultimate.

Makes sense, I don't necessarily agree with all of it but I like the idea in general in regards to how you would change it. You're right that the Atronach already provides a lightning DOT, I didn't consider that.

Itoq

I don't know about all this. I have played my sorc more than any other char I have - even if it has it has been awhile.

I recall that overload responded a bit delayed (does not respond well to button mashing.) Still, when I logged her in today, I slotted overload and played with it a bit to refresh my memory of the skill.

The animation does have a very small a delay (as it should to some extent.) However, the relative smoothness of overload bar switching and firing is more even than half of my warden's regularly used skills.

<insert sorc world problems meme here>

Beardimus

Itoq wrote: »

I don't know about all this. I have played my sorc more than any other char I have - even if it has it has been awhile.

I recall that overload responded a bit delayed (does not respond well to button mashing.) Still, when I logged her in today, I slotted overload and played with it a bit to refresh my memory of the skill.

The animation does have a very small a delay (as it should to some extent.) However, the relative smoothness of overload bar switching and firing is more even than half of my warden's regularly used skills.

<insert sorc world problems meme here>

Did you play in combat? Under pressure. Or say vMA

It's pretty consistent that something will happen, get stuck in heavy attack hands or look out of it I.e. Holding a staff but still on OL bar.

People say its OP and It's not for many of these reasons plus that its hugely tekegraphed, easily countered, and ur on a bar with no decent heal. It is however a potato cannon

Personally I love OL. The fact its different, the animation, the bar space option. Id dislike it changing to a classic ultimate. Things like DBoS are powerful & effective use but the use is totally unenjoyable play wise,

MalagenR

watching people turn into puffs of fried ash when you OL crit them is satisfying because it takes some skill to actually win with it

gannicus1389

so you want to have no global cooldown on a skill that can hit a heavy armored stam dk for 17k. legit.

Itoq

Beardimus wrote: »

Did you play in combat? Under pressure. Or say vMA

Yeah, I know how it is in combat. For whatever reason, I can clearly recall, from years ago, using it for open field fights (where the the mashing buttons note partially came from) and using it on dungeon bosses (when four mans were new to me and hectic feeling) There was no VMA when I played sorc though.

If overload was faster or easier to button mash it would need a more sizable increase in cost and reduction in damage. But, perhaps there are more important issues, which ZoS already won't get to for years, than buffing sorcs?

MalagenR

gannicus1389 wrote: »

so you want to have no global cooldown on a skill that can hit a heavy armored stam dk for 17k. legit.

If you're getting hit for 17k you must be running nothing defensive and the guy who crit you is running full offense. I crit for like 9k against good players.

I don't want to remove the GCD, I want the GCD to not get stuck, let me know if that makes sense.

Danksta

MalagenR wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

so you want to have no global cooldown on a skill that can hit a heavy armored stam dk for 17k. legit.

If you're getting hit for 7k you must be running nothing defensive and the guy who crit you is running full offense. I crit for like 9k against good players.

I don't want to remove the GCD, I want the GCD to not get stuck, let me know if that makes sense.

Embarrassingly, I was ganked by a sorc this weekend with a 13.5k overload light attack on my recap. Wearing Fortified Brass with Hurricane up my resists are about 26k without a Bloodspawn proc (pretty sure it didn't proc) and about 2700 crit resists. So not super tanky but not super squishy either.

Ankael07

Danksta wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

so you want to have no global cooldown on a skill that can hit a heavy armored stam dk for 17k. legit.

If you're getting hit for 7k you must be running nothing defensive and the guy who crit you is running full offense. I crit for like 9k against good players.

I don't want to remove the GCD, I want the GCD to not get stuck, let me know if that makes sense.

Embarrassingly, I was ganked by a sorc this weekend with a 13.5k overload light attack on my recap. Wearing Fortified Brass with Hurricane up my resists are about 26k without a Bloodspawn proc (pretty sure it didn't proc) and about 2700 crit resists. So not super tanky but not super squishy either.

Your enemy made his build on Overload. Why should rest of the players get punished because of him? Instead he should be prevented to 1-2 shot people from sneak.

Biro123

Danksta wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

so you want to have no global cooldown on a skill that can hit a heavy armored stam dk for 17k. legit.

If you're getting hit for 7k you must be running nothing defensive and the guy who crit you is running full offense. I crit for like 9k against good players.

I don't want to remove the GCD, I want the GCD to not get stuck, let me know if that makes sense.

Embarrassingly, I was ganked by a sorc this weekend with a 13.5k overload light attack on my recap. Wearing Fortified Brass with Hurricane up my resists are about 26k without a Bloodspawn proc (pretty sure it didn't proc) and about 2700 crit resists. So not super tanky but not super squishy either.

If it was a gank, then it was empowered. So buffed by 40%. More or less in-line with MalagenR's numbers.
Outside of a gank, empowering it is a damage loss since it's impossible to weave with overload.

MalagenR

It should be a simple coding fix to make sure that animations don't get stuck on GCD's. It's a little annoying that a class ultimate has been broken in this game for years and they haven't fixed it yet. It's a class defining ultimate.

Danksta

Ankael07 wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

so you want to have no global cooldown on a skill that can hit a heavy armored stam dk for 17k. legit.

If you're getting hit for 7k you must be running nothing defensive and the guy who crit you is running full offense. I crit for like 9k against good players.

I don't want to remove the GCD, I want the GCD to not get stuck, let me know if that makes sense.

Embarrassingly, I was ganked by a sorc this weekend with a 13.5k overload light attack on my recap. Wearing Fortified Brass with Hurricane up my resists are about 26k without a Bloodspawn proc (pretty sure it didn't proc) and about 2700 crit resists. So not super tanky but not super squishy either.

Your enemy made his build on Overload. Why should rest of the players get punished because of him? Instead he should be prevented to 1-2 shot people from sneak.

Who said anything about anyone being punished?? I was just stating a fact.

Biro123 wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

so you want to have no global cooldown on a skill that can hit a heavy armored stam dk for 17k. legit.

If you're getting hit for 7k you must be running nothing defensive and the guy who crit you is running full offense. I crit for like 9k against good players.

I don't want to remove the GCD, I want the GCD to not get stuck, let me know if that makes sense.

Embarrassingly, I was ganked by a sorc this weekend with a 13.5k overload light attack on my recap. Wearing Fortified Brass with Hurricane up my resists are about 26k without a Bloodspawn proc (pretty sure it didn't proc) and about 2700 crit resists. So not super tanky but not super squishy either.

If it was a gank, then it was empowered. So buffed by 40%. More or less in-line with MalagenR's numbers.
Outside of a gank, empowering it is a damage loss since it's impossible to weave with overload.

I didn't think of the empower. Tbh tho I saw him coming and assumed NB when I saw him disappear. I wasn't worried, Hurricane is a good defense against ganks ( or at least melee ganks XD) and it's pretty rare I die to ganks. In hindsight I was a bit cocky, that and I was a bit slow to break free and I paid the price. I may have died anyway but I might have had a chance had I not been so cocky.

MalagenR

Danksta wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

so you want to have no global cooldown on a skill that can hit a heavy armored stam dk for 17k. legit.

If you're getting hit for 7k you must be running nothing defensive and the guy who crit you is running full offense. I crit for like 9k against good players.

I don't want to remove the GCD, I want the GCD to not get stuck, let me know if that makes sense.

Embarrassingly, I was ganked by a sorc this weekend with a 13.5k overload light attack on my recap. Wearing Fortified Brass with Hurricane up my resists are about 26k without a Bloodspawn proc (pretty sure it didn't proc) and about 2700 crit resists. So not super tanky but not super squishy either.

Your enemy made his build on Overload. Why should rest of the players get punished because of him? Instead he should be prevented to 1-2 shot people from sneak.

Who said anything about anyone being punished?? I was just stating a fact.

Biro123 wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

so you want to have no global cooldown on a skill that can hit a heavy armored stam dk for 17k. legit.

If you're getting hit for 7k you must be running nothing defensive and the guy who crit you is running full offense. I crit for like 9k against good players.

I don't want to remove the GCD, I want the GCD to not get stuck, let me know if that makes sense.

Embarrassingly, I was ganked by a sorc this weekend with a 13.5k overload light attack on my recap. Wearing Fortified Brass with Hurricane up my resists are about 26k without a Bloodspawn proc (pretty sure it didn't proc) and about 2700 crit resists. So not super tanky but not super squishy either.

If it was a gank, then it was empowered. So buffed by 40%. More or less in-line with MalagenR's numbers.
Outside of a gank, empowering it is a damage loss since it's impossible to weave with overload.

I didn't think of the empower. Tbh tho I saw him coming and assumed NB when I saw him disappear. I wasn't worried, Hurricane is a good defense against ganks ( or at least melee ganks XD) and it's pretty rare I die to ganks. In hindsight I was a bit cocky, that and I was a bit slow to break free and I paid the price. I may have died anyway but I might have had a chance had I not been so cocky.

Yeah I switched my build to the blast gank last night and it's *** fun as hell to play. Throw in some invisible pots for when you get caught in the open field and you can have quite the heyday.

MalagenR

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we get a dev comment on this, is there any plan to fix the buggy animation?

MirkoZ

If you try to swap weapon while in overload bar you will get a spam of the message "you cant swap or similar... Ecc." Of course I know I can't swap , it is just annoying.

Lord_Etrigan

Please change it so it work as a duel wield whip.

same as the animation in the summerset trailer and or like with whiplash in Iron man 2.

At the moment heavy attack looks like you are the dark lord from star wars lol

Xvorg

Caleb_Kadesh wrote: »

Does anyone else get stuck in Heavy Attacks. I'll be spamming light attack Overload then all of a sudden I am in heavy attack and I'm not pushing any buttons?

not oly with OL... but almost with every LA

My arcane archer gets stuck channeling HA for several secs before I bash and recover the animation. Not to mention that I'm using elemental weapon and that bug makes me fail many attacks because it goes from light to medium, losing the elemental weapon proc

Anyway, when it works, it does nice dmg

Xvorg

Apherius wrote: »

- Power Overload

• Change it, so you could still do your rotation and swap bar, and each light attack with a weapon would consume ultimates and deal additional damage until you run out or toggle off the ultimate, or make it deplete ultimate every 2 sec.
  Charge your fists weapons with the power of the storm, Light attacks become Lightning bolts dealing X additional damage, and your heavy attacks blast enemies in target area near the target for X additional damage. Both attacks restores 300 magicka ( this would help with sustain a bit ) Attacks deplete Ultimate until you run out or the ability is toggled off. you can not gain ultimate while using this ultimate.
• And keep the Energy Overload morph as it is, for those who want to play with a third bar and/or gank players, this would make both choise interresting.

You know, that's actually how I thought it worked some years ago...

Apherius

Xvorg wrote: »

Caleb_Kadesh wrote: »

Does anyone else get stuck in Heavy Attacks. I'll be spamming light attack Overload then all of a sudden I am in heavy attack and I'm not pushing any buttons?

not oly with OL... but almost with every LA

My arcane archer gets stuck channeling HA for several secs before I bash and recover the animation. Not to mention that I'm using elemental weapon and that bug makes me fail many attacks because it goes from light to medium, losing the elemental weapon proc

Anyway, when it works, it does nice dmg

Yeah it's true you can still use the skill on the OL bar, the animation is different. But Elemental weapon should not work with it, they fixed that during summerset PTS.

Xvorg

Danksta wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

so you want to have no global cooldown on a skill that can hit a heavy armored stam dk for 17k. legit.

If you're getting hit for 7k you must be running nothing defensive and the guy who crit you is running full offense. I crit for like 9k against good players.

I don't want to remove the GCD, I want the GCD to not get stuck, let me know if that makes sense.

Embarrassingly, I was ganked by a sorc this weekend with a 13.5k overload light attack on my recap. Wearing Fortified Brass with Hurricane up my resists are about 26k without a Bloodspawn proc (pretty sure it didn't proc) and about 2700 crit resists. So not super tanky but not super squishy either.

elegance + Netch/Necro, I suppose

Feanor

According to @NightbladeMechanics Wrobel is looking at a rework for Overload. I just hope it turns out to be good.