Is the player population really dead?

sudaki_eso

Playing for almost 1 1/2 years on the ps4 eu server and so far as i can tell its quite a steady population. People leave and new players join the fun. I guess on the 26th of october its getting quiter again and a few weeks later people are back
the game is far from beeing dead.

FelixTheCatt

Ps4 NA side has always seemed pretty busy in my experience. Since Morrowind it has seemed even busier and Summer set only added to it.

SydneyGrey

Sogreth wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Whoever posted that video is flat-out lying.

In fact, not only is the game not dying, it's the healthiest it's ever been.

Now who's lying.

Um, excuse me? I posted a link that proved that what I said was true. Where is your link to prove that I'm wrong?

f047ys3v3n

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Just checked

https://steamcharts.com/app/306130#All

If you set it to all, it's actually been increasing, as in 10k more from the range from 2014-2016

That is interesting. You can see that the jumps from Morrowind and Summerset were a pretty paltry ~%50. Compare that to Wrothgar at +%100 and one tamriel +%180.

Some bad balance choices have been made the last few years and the endgame pattern with pathetic mini-trials with the whole +boss system has not been great for ESO. Ignoring cheat engine has also continued to unbalance things.

p00tx

I may smell like a corpse after an hour at the gym, but I can assure you I am most certainly alive.

All joking aside, people like to judge the state of the game based on their own experiences, and many of the people who claim the game is dead or dying are on the EU servers, which are actually on the low side of the population, but mostly because EU players have moved over to the NA servers. NA is still a very robust community with a high population.

Lysette

p00tx wrote: »

I may smell like a corpse after an hour at the gym, but I can assure you I am most certainly alive.

All joking aside, people like to judge the state of the game based on their own experiences, and many of the people who claim the game is dead or dying are on the EU servers, which are actually on the low side of the population, but mostly because EU players have moved over to the NA servers. NA is still a very robust community with a high population.

Hm, I am playing on both, I see not difference on PC at least - at prime time both are crowded to the point, that servers have a hard time to deal with the crowd, and outside of prime time one has a chance to not be interrupted by others doing a quest - which is nice. This game is far from dying.

Elanymire

Lol not sure why everonejs having problems with steam.

I use it for the game and have no issues at all, nor have I in the entire time ive been laying (about 2 or 3 months).

Gargath

The Steam is dead for me since a long time, from when it announced some weird actions against users which I no longer remember. But as I see it, the ESO community population is just as it was, some people go away some others are coming in, that is a normal thing. It remains on a stable level I think, and that's mostly due to ZOS' various incentives and the very unique lore based on previous single players games.

Tandor

p00tx wrote: »

I may smell like a corpse after an hour at the gym, but I can assure you I am most certainly alive.

All joking aside, people like to judge the state of the game based on their own experiences, and many of the people who claim the game is dead or dying are on the EU servers, which are actually on the low side of the population, but mostly because EU players have moved over to the NA servers. NA is still a very robust community with a high population.

I've no idea what the situation is on console, but I've been on PC EU since launch and have never seen it as busy as it is now. I've also no idea where you get the idea that EU players have moved over to the NA servers. Again, you may be referring to console, but even then I've seen no evidence of that from forum discussions.

Raudgrani

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Just checked

https://steamcharts.com/app/306130#All

If you set it to all, it's actually been increasing, as in 10k more from the range from 2014-2016

There's a segment of "ESO is so dead"/"this game is properly dying"/"when xxxxx drops, ESO will be a ghost town" people in this game. I dunno why really, but they are still here. I bought this game for my son back in xmas 2016, and when I started to "google the game" and found this forum - I kind of imagined it would be a waste 6 months later, that the game would be shut down etc.

Here we are still, nearly 2 years after that - and statistics show it's still increasing. It seems to be a while longer before it's "dead".

Raudgrani

Ragebull wrote: »

ZOS should consider themselves lucky to still have the numbers they do. It might not be dying, but obviously long term health is not a priority for them (dismissive of widespread game breaking issues, lazy/disappointing content, sleaze ball business practices, etc).

There should be a warning sign before new people buy ESO...”Warning: Devs don’t care”

I agree to this fully. The people behind the game have a dangerously almost supremacist arrogant attitude towards its own player base, and a very nasty Soviet style way of handling public relations. "No, we didn't have a nuclear plant breakdown in Tjernobyl. That is not true".

This is the reason I would ever currently stop playing the game. Because they don't care for fixing the existing contents, broken sets etc. All they do is release new content, which makes it even more broken.
I'm actually impressed of how devoted people are to this game. Might sound silly, but the love for the world of Tamriel itself, the lore, and the social aspect - that's what's keeping this game alive. Not the quality of the game itself. It's great most of the time, but when you realize they are not alarmed of all the flaws and glitches, it's just sad.

Sevalaricgirl

Sogreth wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Whoever posted that video is flat-out lying.

In fact, not only is the game not dying, it's the healthiest it's ever been.

Now who's lying.

Alcast wrote: »

that should already tell you how popular it is..

Being popular doesn't mean that it's good. Just look at Justin Bieber

Androconium wrote: »

It's 2018. Your ignorance on this issue no longer has a valid excuse.

Who **** on your cornflakes?

Simple enough, you obviously don't like the game so don't play it. I can't understand people who complain and say the game isn't good, who remain on the forums and play it regularly.

Doctordarkspawn

Hessen wrote: »

https://mmo-population.com/activity

If that metric is correct it's alot lower then I thought it'd be.

SantieClaws

Khajiit is not dead no. Mearly in a most deep and relaxing sleep on my back with the mouth open yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Tandor

Raudgrani wrote: »

Ragebull wrote: »

ZOS should consider themselves lucky to still have the numbers they do. It might not be dying, but obviously long term health is not a priority for them (dismissive of widespread game breaking issues, lazy/disappointing content, sleaze ball business practices, etc).

There should be a warning sign before new people buy ESO...”Warning: Devs don’t care”

I agree to this fully. The people behind the game have a dangerously almost supremacist arrogant attitude towards its own player base, and a very nasty Soviet style way of handling public relations. "No, we didn't have a nuclear plant breakdown in Tjernobyl. That is not true".

This is the reason I would ever currently stop playing the game. Because they don't care for fixing the existing contents, broken sets etc. All they do is release new content, which makes it even more broken.
I'm actually impressed of how devoted people are to this game. Might sound silly, but the love for the world of Tamriel itself, the lore, and the social aspect - that's what's keeping this game alive. Not the quality of the game itself. It's great most of the time, but when you realize they are not alarmed of all the flaws and glitches, it's just sad.

Don't underestimate the number of people who play the game for its non-competitive PvE element. They simply don't have the scale of problems that are constantly raised here, and are unlikely therefore to share the mantra that "ZOS don't care". That may be especially so if they're on PC rather than console. For them the game plays well and is full of content that is regularly added to. So for them it actually is the quality of the game itself that leads them to be devoted to it. A few of them might buy crown items and crates but most of them are just playing the game with the focus on questing and overland content including crafting and with which they really don't have the same performance and balancing issues that bedevil PvPers and competitive PvEers.

Raudgrani

Androconium wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

Well the posts on this forum have dropped off quite a bit, if that's any indication.

Probably due to the increasing lack of originality in the topics. One can only read about guild traders, OP sorcerers, making picking a flower account-wide, or the performance issues in Cyrodiil so many times before deciding to spend more time playing the game instead !

Also, it's summer - people might just be out doing something else besides messing around on a forum.

It's only summer in the Northern hemisphere.

It's Winter in the Southern hemisphere.

That's half a world

It's 2018. Your ignorance on this issue no longer has a valid excuse.

How many % live in "the southern hemisphere", actually playing games online? Australians, and.....? Stop being PC, when we speak of things like these, northern hemisphere equals the world.

Juhasow

Tasear wrote: »

I think there was a recent news letter. Let alone 10,000 we have had 10 million players. If you have any doubts just think about how stressed poor servers got with midyear madness. There needed to be extra campaigns to support players. So no ESO is far from dead.

10 milions sold copies doesnt mean 10 milion players. As for PvP servers goes there are additional servers needed during event because PvP population outisede of event dropped down so much that they needed to lower population caps multiple times and remove many campaigns because it was just dead emperor farming places. Tbf I think currently there is less people pvping during an event then 3 years ago on regular daily basis.

Despite that agree game is far from dead since it still have some reasonable numbers of players playing it.

PlautisCarvain

There are my opinion about 50,000 actives players on ESO currently, seeing steam charts and the servers on PS4...

Wifeaggro13

Tandor wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Ragebull wrote: »

ZOS should consider themselves lucky to still have the numbers they do. It might not be dying, but obviously long term health is not a priority for them (dismissive of widespread game breaking issues, lazy/disappointing content, sleaze ball business practices, etc).

There should be a warning sign before new people buy ESO...”Warning: Devs don’t care”

I agree to this fully. The people behind the game have a dangerously almost supremacist arrogant attitude towards its own player base, and a very nasty Soviet style way of handling public relations. "No, we didn't have a nuclear plant breakdown in Tjernobyl. That is not true".

This is the reason I would ever currently stop playing the game. Because they don't care for fixing the existing contents, broken sets etc. All they do is release new content, which makes it even more broken.
I'm actually impressed of how devoted people are to this game. Might sound silly, but the love for the world of Tamriel itself, the lore, and the social aspect - that's what's keeping this game alive. Not the quality of the game itself. It's great most of the time, but when you realize they are not alarmed of all the flaws and glitches, it's just sad.

Don't underestimate the number of people who play the game for its non-competitive PvE element. They simply don't have the scale of problems that are constantly raised here, and are unlikely therefore to share the mantra that "ZOS don't care". That may be especially so if they're on PC rather than console. For them the game plays well and is full of content that is regularly added to. So for them it actually is the quality of the game itself that leads them to be devoted to it. A few of them might buy crown items and crates but most of them are just playing the game with the focus on questing and overland content including crafting and with which they really don't have the same performance and balancing issues that bedevil PvPers and competitive PvEers.

yes but that crowd is the churn population. that type of content does not stay enjoyable with out emerging new systems you eventually hit a point and realize your doing the same stuff over and over with a different zone and it gets boring. which leads you to starting end game content which overland left you very ill prepared and you become the churn.

Kilnerdyne

"I watched a youtube video & I misheard what they said in the video."

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Sogreth

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Um, excuse me?

Oh, you didn't hear me? Perhaps you should remove your head, from your own backside.

Tandor

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Ragebull wrote: »

ZOS should consider themselves lucky to still have the numbers they do. It might not be dying, but obviously long term health is not a priority for them (dismissive of widespread game breaking issues, lazy/disappointing content, sleaze ball business practices, etc).

There should be a warning sign before new people buy ESO...”Warning: Devs don’t care”

I agree to this fully. The people behind the game have a dangerously almost supremacist arrogant attitude towards its own player base, and a very nasty Soviet style way of handling public relations. "No, we didn't have a nuclear plant breakdown in Tjernobyl. That is not true".

This is the reason I would ever currently stop playing the game. Because they don't care for fixing the existing contents, broken sets etc. All they do is release new content, which makes it even more broken.
I'm actually impressed of how devoted people are to this game. Might sound silly, but the love for the world of Tamriel itself, the lore, and the social aspect - that's what's keeping this game alive. Not the quality of the game itself. It's great most of the time, but when you realize they are not alarmed of all the flaws and glitches, it's just sad.

Don't underestimate the number of people who play the game for its non-competitive PvE element. They simply don't have the scale of problems that are constantly raised here, and are unlikely therefore to share the mantra that "ZOS don't care". That may be especially so if they're on PC rather than console. For them the game plays well and is full of content that is regularly added to. So for them it actually is the quality of the game itself that leads them to be devoted to it. A few of them might buy crown items and crates but most of them are just playing the game with the focus on questing and overland content including crafting and with which they really don't have the same performance and balancing issues that bedevil PvPers and competitive PvEers.

yes but that crowd is the churn population. that type of content does not stay enjoyable with out emerging new systems you eventually hit a point and realize your doing the same stuff over and over with a different zone and it gets boring. which leads you to starting end game content which overland left you very ill prepared and you become the churn.

Not necessarily. A lot of non-competitive PvE players are long-term veterans with no interest in the so-called "endgame" be it PvP or group dungeons/trials. They're the players who run multiple characters for the pleasure of playing through the main game fully with each one. It's the competitive players that are the most hardcore and who burn themselves out repeating the same campaign or dungeon run time after time after time. That's the truly boring bit of any game because it's 100% repetition of the same small amount of content, whereas someone enjoying the journey through the game rather than the destination at the end of it has a massive variety of content to switch between. As an example, I'm just starting my second run through Vvardenfell a year after I first ran it, that has to be more varied and enjoyable than running a dungeon for the umpteenth time this week!

Still, that's digressing from my original point which is that those following a non-competitive PvE playstyle aren't seeing the problems that others are reporting, which is why they're "not alarmed of all the flaws and glitches" - they haven't got any. For them it is the quality of the game that keeps them devoted to it.

Ingenon

Player population is not dead. Last night I was doing Cadwell's quest line in Alik'r Desert. The mob of players rushing from dolmen to dolmen looked bigger than any PvP zerg I have seen in Cyrodiil. And there were a bunch of people grinding zombies in Alik'r Desert also. Some parts of PvE zones are quiet, but many are busy.

Sogreth

jim_1 wrote: »

Player population is not dead. Last night I was doing Cadwell's quest line in Alik'r Desert. The mob of players rushing from dolmen to dolmen looked bigger than any PvP zerg I have seen in Cyrodiil. And there were a bunch of people grinding zombies in Alik'r Desert also. Some parts of PvE zones are quiet, but many are busy.

Bet most of them were bots.

Ydrisselle

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

There are my opinion about 50,000 actives players on ESO currently, seeing steam charts and the servers on PS4...

Most of the PC players don't use Steam.

Elanymire wrote: »

Lol not sure why everonejs having problems with steam.

I use it for the game and have no issues at all, nor have I in the entire time ive been laying (about 2 or 3 months).

Steam login had massive problems through May and June. If you weren't affected, you are lucky.

Rain_Greyraven

Every time a wow expansion comes out we get this post.


Makes you wonder.


Anywho, while Summerset wasn't what most of the population wanted (Who cares if you're a Dunemer, you are going to be an errand boy for an SJW and help the poor Argonians to keep the borders open!!) The game is still healthy.

So no they sky isn't falling.

Tandor

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

Every time a wow expansion comes out we get this post.


Makes you wonder.


Anywho, while Summerset wasn't what most of the population wanted (Who cares if you're a Dunemer, you are going to be an errand boy for an SJW and help the poor Argonians to keep the borders open!!) The game is still healthy.

So no they sky isn't falling.

With a claim like that you ought to run a poll and see if it stands up!

Panomania

Steams bad....mmkay? And you shouldnt give Steam money cuz its bad? Mmkay?

Beyond learning that you shouldnt ever rely on Steam for anything....EVER....I can attest that the game population is pretty strong. I cant think of many areas that arent often overpacked with questers, harvesters, etc.

MLGProPlayer

The Steam population is higher than ever, and that's only a small portion of the population. The video you watched was making up numbers. Always check the source yourself, don't fall for fake news: https://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Panomania

Not necessarily. A lot of non-competitive PvE players are long-term veterans with no interest in the so-called "endgame" be it PvP or group dungeons/trials. They're the players who run multiple characters for the pleasure of playing through the main game fully with each one.

I can agree with this. I've been here since the start (beta) and have been playing steadily for years, and been a plus member forever. I do hit the occasional dungeon, run trials every now and again, and may occasionally hit Cyrodiil for mass stupidity there...but the balance of my time anymore is chatting, trading, crafting, harvesting, finishing various character completions on any of my 15 characters. I know a LOT of people in my 5 guilds who play the same way, and a very large portion who only set foot in Cyrodiil weekends to check Goldie, or on new characters to get RM. I'd guess about half the people I come across even give an ats rass about pvp, if that. Probably because no matter how much people will want to argue otherwise, at its core this simply isnt a PVP game. Its a PVE game that added in PVP to get extra numbers (which is smart, because that can really bolster a game's income), and it shows.

But a good chunk of my time on is spent mentoring new players (and there are TONS of those lately), helping people with projects they cant complete alone, and simply BSing with guildies and friends.