Sorcgrounds

Vanzen

Sorcs are ruining Bg, period.

I know, I have one.

Hutch679

Vanzen wrote: »

Sorcs are ruining Bg, period.

I know, I have one.

For sure.

Chilly-McFreeze

Is there a point in whining about RC and Wrath when ZOS already announced that Wrath and RC will become dodgeable + the latter won't do damage anymore?

Oh right, I forgot where I'm posting.

CatchMeTrolling

oxygen_thief wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

so what?

Why comment if you clearly don’t have anything useful to say. The entire point was that there’s an abundance of sorcs in bgs because of buggy rune cage and kill stealing endless fury. Throw in light attack buff as well.

As of Summerset sorcs are the most brain dead class to play in bgs followed by nbs.

comment what? this childish whining? mom sorc stole my frag. mom they are shooting at me while runing away and i dont know how to use gap closer. mom sorcs are op because i dont know how to kill em and they have curse, meteor, cage, frag, fury, streak, mines, shields,shields, shields. mom i created a new sorc and i was competitive on zero level mmr.

Yeah so you didn’t have anything useful to say , didn’t even have a counter argument.

Urvoth

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Is there a point in whining about RC and Wrath when ZOS already announced that Wrath and RC will become dodgeable + the latter won't do damage anymore?

Oh right, I forgot where I'm posting.

Wrath will be dodgeable? First time hearing about that.

Chilly-McFreeze

Urvoth wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Is there a point in whining about RC and Wrath when ZOS already announced that Wrath and RC will become dodgeable + the latter won't do damage anymore?

Oh right, I forgot where I'm posting.

Wrath will be dodgeable? First time hearing about that.

From PTS Notes 4.1.0

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorcerer

• Dark Magic
  • Rune Prison
    • Rune Cage (morph): Decreased the damage done from this ability by approximately 20%.
• Storm Calling
  • Mages’ Fury: Fixed an issue where dodging this ability and its morphs would still apply the execute explosion debuff to you.
  • Overload: Fixed an issue where the Heavy Attack from this ability and its morphs could not proc Weapon Enchantments or Poisons.

Kel

Apparently the new bs is sorcs wearing sloads. Just faced off against a team with two sorcs. Both wearing sloads.
What's sad is that these players probably think they have some sort of skill...playing the easiest class wearing the most cheesy set ever made.
And before you say sorc isn't easy, check out Mystick Ravens video where he goes 18k/3d on a sorc. Dude is a average at best PvP streamer, yet he goes in and slayed on a sorc.
Add sloads on top of the best battlegrounds class...overkill. Takes zero talent.
If you are on a sorc running sloads, just know you're bad.

https://youtu.be/Hzj5dmoQSYo

oxygen_thief

Hutch679 wrote: »

Yeah so you didn’t have anything useful to say , didn’t even have a counter argument.

its hard to say something useful in another nerf sorcs thread but i can try. nerf sorcs they are op. hope you feel better now:) oh zos can create a new class whineblade. if somebody will kill you while you are playin on this new class an automatically filled form would be sent to devs: " i was killed by %classname%. its op nerf it."

Hoked_on_ponix

*Even though he is my arch nemesis and we dont get along.... lol[/quote]

Couldn't have described our encounters any better lol

Hoked_on_ponix

oxygen_thief wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

so what?

Why comment if you clearly don’t have anything useful to say. The entire point was that there’s an abundance of sorcs in bgs because of buggy rune cage and kill stealing endless fury. Throw in light attack buff as well.

As of Summerset sorcs are the most brain dead class to play in bgs followed by nbs.

comment what? this childish whining? mom sorc stole my frag. mom they are shooting at me while runing away and i dont know how to use gap closer. mom sorcs are op because i dont know how to kill em and they have curse, meteor, cage, frag, fury, streak, mines, shields,shields, shields. mom i created a new sorc and i was competitive on zero level mmr.

I was playing my sorc while in a premade of people with high MMRs... You have contributed nothing to the conversation other than showing how blatantly naive you are. No one likes to see a game so dominated by one play style or class.

Anethum

jabrone77 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/Hzj5dmoQSYo

nice video, its pretty nice visible that player is not expireenced at sorc, but 18:3...

Hutch679

Hoked_on_ponix wrote: »

*Even though he is my arch nemesis and we dont get along.... lol

Couldn't have described our encounters any better lol[/quote]

It's still all love I think you're a good player. Its pvp. People get salty when they lose. I've taken a few licks. Ive sent a few out. It's all in fun bro

Anethum

Hutch679 wrote: »

It's still all love I think you're a good player. Its pvp. People get salty when they lose. I've taken a few licks. Ive sent a few out. It's all in fun bro

People get salty when not enjoy, not when lose.
There is a huge difference.
Absolutly not everyone enjoy to win only, but a process,competition, build creation, balanced fights.
Sometimes when don't understand why they lose and that is l2p issue.
But when understand, and lose because of the broken system like sloads or some skills, which have no counter...thats it..we write at forum to fix. Big difference with QQ bla-bla.
So, don't describe everyone like those players with sick ego and attitude to gameplay.

dodgehopper_ESO

I dream of the day when there is no classes, Just skills.

Hutch679

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I dream of the day when there is no classes, Just skills.

I really doubt that will happen though man

dodgehopper_ESO

Hutch679 wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I dream of the day when there is no classes, Just skills.

I really doubt that will happen though man

That's why its a dream. (but maybe it could happen...) =D

Hope springs eternal.

Thogard

Urvoth wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

i was there and i can say there are too many nb in bgs. sometime i am the only one visible player in my team. sorcs? i dont care about sorcs its an easy frag for me when i am on my mdk

Stam NBs were last patch. Right now they’re all hiding from the sloads. They’ll be back next patch though, stronger than ever.

Stam NBs + mag sorcs represent about 60% of BG players though.

Idk about that 60%. It seems like I see nearly as many DKs atm as I do sorcs. Sorc is probably the most played BG class rn, but it definitely feels like DK is a close second.

What server / platform are you on?

I have 50 min queue times so my # of games played isn’t as high as it uses to be.. but I’m looking at numbers in the ultra-high MMR range. Lot of sDKs and stamdens and magblades in the low MMR matches when I queue on my alts.

Chilly-McFreeze

Thogard wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

i was there and i can say there are too many nb in bgs. sometime i am the only one visible player in my team. sorcs? i dont care about sorcs its an easy frag for me when i am on my mdk

Stam NBs were last patch. Right now they’re all hiding from the sloads. They’ll be back next patch though, stronger than ever.

Stam NBs + mag sorcs represent about 60% of BG players though.

Idk about that 60%. It seems like I see nearly as many DKs atm as I do sorcs. Sorc is probably the most played BG class rn, but it definitely feels like DK is a close second.

What server / platform are you on?

I have 50 min queue times so my # of games played isn’t as high as it uses to be.. but I’m looking at numbers in the ultra-high MMR range. Lot of sDKs and stamdens and magblades in the low MMR matches when I queue on my alts.

50 min que? Wow, on PC EU I'm easily in a Match in a handful of minutes, but I play here in the range from afternoon - early evening, can't tell about real offtimes.

However, I encounter a lot more sorcs and NBs than DKs, who in turn are more common than templars and wardens. But I couldn't tell that there are much more sorcs than NBs. It's about even between them this patch, while last patch I encountered more NBs in BG and Cyro. I won't be surprised when sorc numbers decline/ NB's rise again within a month in the next patch tho.

But yeah, at the moment these two specs are most common and rune cage + the whole forum ramble do their parts in this. Tell the masses that X+Y is so OP, repeat it a few times and see how those things will become more and more common. [E: note that I'm not saying that Rune Cage in it's current form is fine or balanced, this is just a general statement]

Same thing works the other way around. In the time where the forum was filled with "PvP = burst or bust" I did very well on DoT builds. Now some people grasped that bleeds are quite a nice vary from the burst meta and the "Bleeds OP" opinions are springing out of the bottom.

LadyNalcarya

jabrone77 wrote: »

Apparently the new bs is sorcs wearing sloads. Just faced off against a team with two sorcs. Both wearing sloads.
What's sad is that these players probably think they have some sort of skill...playing the easiest class wearing the most cheesy set ever made.
And before you say sorc isn't easy, check out Mystick Ravens video where he goes 18k/3d on a sorc. Dude is a average at best PvP streamer, yet he goes in and slayed on a sorc.
Add sloads on top of the best battlegrounds class...overkill. Takes zero talent.
If you are on a sorc running sloads, just know you're bad.

https://youtu.be/Hzj5dmoQSYo

This is just a low mmr match most likely.

gannicus1389

sorc is indeed a bit overtuned and "easy" m ode class. big shields to avoid dmg on hp, safe distance to poke people, and 2 executes to KS/secure kills...

Chilly-McFreeze

gannicus1389 wrote: »

sorc is indeed a bit overtuned and "easy" m ode class. big shields to avoid dmg on hp, safe distance to poke people, and 2 executes to KS/secure kills...

@gannicus1389
Can you tell me which skills proc the RNG mag (!) passive execute without being potent enough to finish the job on their own? And while we're add it, how common are those skills that fit in that pattern?

Hutch679

Stam sorc is so ridiculously easy to play..... it's super mobile, high aoe and dot damage, best stun in the game, and great sustain.... it's a joke lol

LtBottle

2 bg with stam sorc, and i got an achiev i think i'll never get with my main stam dk: 4 killing blow in a row.
There is just too much finish with this class. makes it overperforming in bettleground.

Thogard

LtBottle wrote: »

2 bg with stam sorc, and i got an achiev i think i'll never get with my main stam dk: 4 killing blow in a row.
There is just too much finish with this class. makes it overperforming in bettleground.

Sigil + leap = quad kill

Thogard

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

sorc is indeed a bit overtuned and "easy" m ode class. big shields to avoid dmg on hp, safe distance to poke people, and 2 executes to KS/secure kills...

@gannicus1389
Can you tell me which skills proc the RNG mag (!) passive execute without being potent enough to finish the job on their own? And while we're add it, how common are those skills that fit in that pattern?

Stam sorc: Caltrops, any bleed, a blocked spin2win, hurricane, streak, melee light attack
Mag sorc: Wall of lightning, liquid lightning, boundless storm, streak, crushing shock, lightning staff light attack

Chilly-McFreeze

Hutch679 wrote: »

Stam sorc is so ridiculously easy to play..... it's super mobile, high aoe and dot damage, best stun in the game, and great sustain.... it's a joke lol

Now we're at stam sorcs? Great. This feels so much like the ramble about the mag counterpart. "best mobility! highest single target burst! best stun! great sustain!"Who shall it be now? Can't be both.

Thogard wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

sorc is indeed a bit overtuned and "easy" m ode class. big shields to avoid dmg on hp, safe distance to poke people, and 2 executes to KS/secure kills...

@gannicus1389
Can you tell me which skills proc the RNG mag (!) passive execute without being potent enough to finish the job on their own? And while we're add it, how common are those skills that fit in that pattern?

Stam sorc: Caltrops, any bleed, a blocked spin2win, hurricane, streak, melee light attack
Mag sorc: Wall of lightning, liquid lightning, boundless storm, streak, crushing shock, lightning staff light attack

Partly right. Since I mainly asked about the mag part (since gannicus1389 said "sorcs OP, shields, range, 2 executes), we can put the finger on that.

A ) how often do you see people use WoL, LL and BS in battlegrounds? That's arguably a rare happening. If so, *** happens. Can't count how often I died to other parts of RNG damage in this game, which is far more common.
B ) I doubt that crushing shock or streak won't kill you when you are in implosion proc range.

A 15% health threshold. What's the average no cp health pool? I'd see it ranges from 19-23 on no-tank setups. So 15% means anything between 2.85-3.45k remaining health for my guess of the avg hp. If you can't kill someone with (a weaved) crushing shock or streak then maybe it's your magsorc build.

Hutch679

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Stam sorc is so ridiculously easy to play..... it's super mobile, high aoe and dot damage, best stun in the game, and great sustain.... it's a joke lol

Now we're at stam sorcs? Great. This feels so much like the ramble about the mag counterpart. "best mobility! highest single target burst! best stun! great sustain!"Who shall it be now? Can't be both.

Thogard wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

sorc is indeed a bit overtuned and "easy" m ode class. big shields to avoid dmg on hp, safe distance to poke people, and 2 executes to KS/secure kills...

@gannicus1389
Can you tell me which skills proc the RNG mag (!) passive execute without being potent enough to finish the job on their own? And while we're add it, how common are those skills that fit in that pattern?

Stam sorc: Caltrops, any bleed, a blocked spin2win, hurricane, streak, melee light attack
Mag sorc: Wall of lightning, liquid lightning, boundless storm, streak, crushing shock, lightning staff light attack

Partly right. Since I mainly asked about the mag part (since gannicus1389 said "sorcs OP, shields, range, 2 executes), we can put the finger on that.

A ) how often do you see people use WoL, LL and BS in battlegrounds? That's arguably a rare happening. If so, *** happens. Can't count how often I died to other parts of RNG damage in this game, which is far more common.
B ) I doubt that crushing shock or streak won't kill you when you are in implosion proc range.

A 15% health threshold. What's the average no cp health pool? I'd see it ranges from 19-23 on no-tank setups. So 15% means anything between 2.85-3.45k remaining health for my guess of the avg hp. If you can't kill someone with (a weaved) crushing shock or streak then maybe it's your magsorc build.

You must not play bgs. If you do, then you're not paying attention. Sorc is number 1 for both stam and mag. Easily.

Thogard

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Stam sorc is so ridiculously easy to play..... it's super mobile, high aoe and dot damage, best stun in the game, and great sustain.... it's a joke lol

Now we're at stam sorcs? Great. This feels so much like the ramble about the mag counterpart. "best mobility! highest single target burst! best stun! great sustain!"Who shall it be now? Can't be both.

Thogard wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

sorc is indeed a bit overtuned and "easy" m ode class. big shields to avoid dmg on hp, safe distance to poke people, and 2 executes to KS/secure kills...

@gannicus1389
Can you tell me which skills proc the RNG mag (!) passive execute without being potent enough to finish the job on their own? And while we're add it, how common are those skills that fit in that pattern?

Stam sorc: Caltrops, any bleed, a blocked spin2win, hurricane, streak, melee light attack
Mag sorc: Wall of lightning, liquid lightning, boundless storm, streak, crushing shock, lightning staff light attack

Partly right. Since I mainly asked about the mag part (since gannicus1389 said "sorcs OP, shields, range, 2 executes), we can put the finger on that.

A ) how often do you see people use WoL, LL and BS in battlegrounds? That's arguably a rare happening. If so, *** happens. Can't count how often I died to other parts of RNG damage in this game, which is far more common.
B ) I doubt that crushing shock or streak won't kill you when you are in implosion proc range.

A 15% health threshold. What's the average no cp health pool? I'd see it ranges from 19-23 on no-tank setups. So 15% means anything between 2.85-3.45k remaining health for my guess of the avg hp. If you can't kill someone with (a weaved) crushing shock or streak then maybe it's your magsorc build.

Implosion is a bigger issue with Stam sorcs, that’s true. And they lack a class spammable or dot (unless counting hurricane) so I’m OK with it.

Chilly-McFreeze

Hutch679 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Stam sorc is so ridiculously easy to play..... it's super mobile, high aoe and dot damage, best stun in the game, and great sustain.... it's a joke lol

Now we're at stam sorcs? Great. This feels so much like the ramble about the mag counterpart. "best mobility! highest single target burst! best stun! great sustain!"Who shall it be now? Can't be both.

Thogard wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

sorc is indeed a bit overtuned and "easy" m ode class. big shields to avoid dmg on hp, safe distance to poke people, and 2 executes to KS/secure kills...

@gannicus1389
Can you tell me which skills proc the RNG mag (!) passive execute without being potent enough to finish the job on their own? And while we're add it, how common are those skills that fit in that pattern?

Stam sorc: Caltrops, any bleed, a blocked spin2win, hurricane, streak, melee light attack
Mag sorc: Wall of lightning, liquid lightning, boundless storm, streak, crushing shock, lightning staff light attack

Partly right. Since I mainly asked about the mag part (since gannicus1389 said "sorcs OP, shields, range, 2 executes), we can put the finger on that.

A ) how often do you see people use WoL, LL and BS in battlegrounds? That's arguably a rare happening. If so, *** happens. Can't count how often I died to other parts of RNG damage in this game, which is far more common.
B ) I doubt that crushing shock or streak won't kill you when you are in implosion proc range.

A 15% health threshold. What's the average no cp health pool? I'd see it ranges from 19-23 on no-tank setups. So 15% means anything between 2.85-3.45k remaining health for my guess of the avg hp. If you can't kill someone with (a weaved) crushing shock or streak then maybe it's your magsorc build.

You must not play bgs. If you do, then you're not paying attention. Sorc is number 1 for both stam and mag. Easily.

Ah, okay. Now do you think this whole kill stealing issue (via wrath or passive) is a scoring issue that should not lead to gutting a class but to a better thought out and fair scoring system - or are you all for changes to skills because of that issue?
And naturally it's normal that some classes shine in special environments more than in others. Or shall we change NBs now because they are arguably excellent in open world PvP and PvE?

Thogard wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Stam sorc is so ridiculously easy to play..... it's super mobile, high aoe and dot damage, best stun in the game, and great sustain.... it's a joke lol

Now we're at stam sorcs? Great. This feels so much like the ramble about the mag counterpart. "best mobility! highest single target burst! best stun! great sustain!"Who shall it be now? Can't be both.

Thogard wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

sorc is indeed a bit overtuned and "easy" m ode class. big shields to avoid dmg on hp, safe distance to poke people, and 2 executes to KS/secure kills...

@gannicus1389
Can you tell me which skills proc the RNG mag (!) passive execute without being potent enough to finish the job on their own? And while we're add it, how common are those skills that fit in that pattern?

Stam sorc: Caltrops, any bleed, a blocked spin2win, hurricane, streak, melee light attack
Mag sorc: Wall of lightning, liquid lightning, boundless storm, streak, crushing shock, lightning staff light attack

Partly right. Since I mainly asked about the mag part (since gannicus1389 said "sorcs OP, shields, range, 2 executes), we can put the finger on that.

A ) how often do you see people use WoL, LL and BS in battlegrounds? That's arguably a rare happening. If so, *** happens. Can't count how often I died to other parts of RNG damage in this game, which is far more common.
B ) I doubt that crushing shock or streak won't kill you when you are in implosion proc range.

A 15% health threshold. What's the average no cp health pool? I'd see it ranges from 19-23 on no-tank setups. So 15% means anything between 2.85-3.45k remaining health for my guess of the avg hp. If you can't kill someone with (a weaved) crushing shock or streak then maybe it's your magsorc build.

Implosion is a bigger issue with Stam sorcs, that’s true. And they lack a class spammable or dot (unless counting hurricane) so I’m OK with it.

Thanks. My point was only that implosion isn't really an issue on mag sorcs.

Strider__Roshin

Currently magsorcs are ruining BGs, but as @Chilly-McFreeze has stated both RC, and Mage's Fury are getting nerfed next update so I would suggest to calm down, and reevaluate the situation next update.