Time to Revamp VDSA - 4 DPS Blows through it.

templesus

VDSA has gotten to the point where it is a joke. Here is a clip of my group of 4 DPS(yes we run 4 DPS in VDSA now) on the last boss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMusrZ5nt4

We literally ignore all mechanics and just burn. 2 of us are argonians. It's laughable.


ZOS should look into making it tougher as well by adding a hard mode, a title for flawlessing it, and possibly a skin. Would make the content much more engaging and competitive as it is the only 4 man end game content we truly have bar Fanglair/Scalecaller HM.

Guppet

templesus wrote: »

VDSA has gotten to the point where it is a joke. Here is a clip of my group of 4 DPS(yes we run 4 DPS in VDSA now) on the last boss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMusrZ5nt4

We literally ignore all mechanics and just burn. 2 of us are argonians. It's laughable.


ZOS should look into making it tougher as well as adding a hard mode, a title for flawlessing it, and possibly a skin. Would make the content much more engaging and competitive as it is the only 4 man end game content we truly have bar Fanglair/Scalecaller HM.

You have the answer in your post lol.

Argonians, they are a big issue. No race should be as far ahead of all the others as Argonians are currently. There should not be one correct race choice for almost all circumstances.

templesus

Guppet wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

VDSA has gotten to the point where it is a joke. Here is a clip of my group of 4 DPS(yes we run 4 DPS in VDSA now) on the last boss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMusrZ5nt4

We literally ignore all mechanics and just burn. 2 of us are argonians. It's laughable.


ZOS should look into making it tougher as well as adding a hard mode, a title for flawlessing it, and possibly a skin. Would make the content much more engaging and competitive as it is the only 4 man end game content we truly have bar Fanglair/Scalecaller HM.

You have the answer in your post lol.

Argonians, they are a big issue. No race should be as far ahead of all the others as Argonians are currently. There should not be one correct race choice for almost all circumstances.

Guppet wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

VDSA has gotten to the point where it is a joke. Here is a clip of my group of 4 DPS(yes we run 4 DPS in VDSA now) on the last boss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMusrZ5nt4

We literally ignore all mechanics and just burn. 2 of us are argonians. It's laughable.


ZOS should look into making it tougher as well as adding a hard mode, a title for flawlessing it, and possibly a skin. Would make the content much more engaging and competitive as it is the only 4 man end game content we truly have bar Fanglair/Scalecaller HM.

You have the answer in your post lol.

Argonians, they are a big issue. No race should be as far ahead of all the others as Argonians are currently. There should not be one correct race choice for almost all circumstances.

.....

Argonian is not the reason we are able to 4 dps vdsa. Would do it even faster as dark elf or high elf.

templesus

edit: double post

TheMythicDawn

No.

Fortunately ZOS is smart enough to not mess with the difficulty of old content. You want a challenge? Thats what cloudrest is for

AND

the new arena coming out with Murkmire later this year.

That is your challenge.

U want vDSA to be hard?

Run it naked without CP and use white weapons.

There you go, there's your hard mode.

The title? You can braag on the forums when you complete this.

Protossyder

Pff, 27k score... You died a lot during this run. And how long did it take you?
Maybe one tank would've been better to get a good score...
If you did it flawless with 4 DDs (which would result in a 48k+ score), I'd call vDSA a joke, but not like this.

templesus

Protossyder wrote: »

Pff, 27k score... You died a lot during this run. And how long did it take you?
Maybe one tank would've been better to get a good score...
If you did it flawless with 4 DDs (which would result in a 48k+ score), I'd call vDSA a joke, but not like this.

Was a solid hour run with multiple deaths. But then again we are all PvP players coming straight out of cyrodiil and tend to try and get eachother killed on numerous occasions.

Should we actually try for a score run I wouldn’t be on an argonian magblade who’s mages guild is 4 and doesn’t have Psijic.

templesus

ChrisToTheCanvas wrote: »

No.

Fortunately ZOS is smart enough to not mess with the difficulty of old content. You want a challenge? Thats what cloudrest is for

AND

the new arena coming out with Murkmire later this year.

That is your challenge.

U want vDSA to be hard?

Run it naked without CP and use white weapons.

There you go, there's your hard mode.

The title? You can braag on the forums when you complete this.

Did not realize Murkmire had an arena coming out. There is our revamped vDSA I suppose.

Darkenarlol

well...that was nice.


personally i find VDSA very boring - always struggling to don't fall asleep during all those trash rounds.

but your (and your group) performance is not a reason to make things harder.

you'll be surprised how many people still struggling to clear this arena - just go try it with barely experienced PUGS.

just leave it as is it - VDSA have it's own target auditory

i mean i'm not asking for FG1 uber-rambo-juggernaut-mode with skins just because i soloed most dungeons vet

HMs and have flawless on a bunch of characters.


anyway if i remember correctly we r gonna get brand-new arena in murkmire

and i hope it gonna be at last DLC HM's level so vet plyers gonna have some nice

and challenging (for at least couple of first runs lol) content.

Masel

templesus wrote: »

ChrisToTheCanvas wrote: »

No.

Fortunately ZOS is smart enough to not mess with the difficulty of old content. You want a challenge? Thats what cloudrest is for

AND

the new arena coming out with Murkmire later this year.

That is your challenge.

U want vDSA to be hard?

Run it naked without CP and use white weapons.

There you go, there's your hard mode.

The title? You can braag on the forums when you complete this.

Did not realize Murkmire had an arena coming out. There is our revamped vDSA I suppose.

It's not said it would be 4-man, maybe it'll be 2 or 6? Who knows...

Protossyder

templesus wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Pff, 27k score... You died a lot during this run. And how long did it take you?
Maybe one tank would've been better to get a good score...
If you did it flawless with 4 DDs (which would result in a 48k+ score), I'd call vDSA a joke, but not like this.

Was a solid hour run with multiple deaths. But then again we are all PvP players coming straight out of cyrodiil and tend to try and get eachother killed on numerous occasions.

Should we actually try for a score run I wouldn’t be on an argonian magblade who’s mages guild is 4 and doesn’t have Psijic.

You and your teammates took over some tank and healer functionality, which obviously was required to do this run and you still had many deaths after all. So you can't call vDSA a joke yet.
Nevertheless, I like your ideas about adding more content/achievements to this arena.

Runefang

There are groups which struggle in vMoL that can now complete it because despite not getting better relative to other players they simply got better relative to the content itself due to power creep.

That's not a bad thing. As long as those players who already cleared hard content still have hard & enganging content to do (mini-trials are bad and should feel bad)

Nifty2g

It's really damn old content, this is nothing new its been this way for quite awhile.

Highly doubt zos will waste resources on revamping old content that statistically not many people will run it. Instead they could put those resources to use and make new content which they are doing with the new 4man arena.

Not to mention your stance on this is a bit odd lol, you have barely any vitality left, looks like you were there for awhile, and you want to call it a joke? There are a few groups able to push VDSA hard but they spend quite awhile in there to accomplish that. Just cause you did it after an hour doesn't make it a joke, maybe when you breeze through it with ease and post up a 49,000 score go for it lol

Dragonnord

For each 4-man group that can do that in your video, there are 4.000 groups that cannot. So, no.

One group or a few groups do not represent 11.000.000 players of all skills and levels. So, again, no.
 

templesus

Nifty2g wrote: »

It's really damn old content, this is nothing new its been this way for quite awhile.

Highly doubt zos will waste resources on revamping old content that statistically not many people will run it. Instead they could put those resources to use and make new content which they are doing with the new 4man arena.

Not to mention your stance on this is a bit odd lol, you have barely any vitality left, looks like you were there for awhile, and you want to call it a joke? There are a few groups able to push VDSA hard but they spend quite awhile in there to accomplish that. Just cause you did it after an hour doesn't make it a joke, maybe when you breeze through it with ease and post up a 49,000 score go for it lol

When have you ever seen a group literally ignore all mechanics on last boss and just burn through it? That’s the reason I’m saying it’s a joke; I couldn’t care less how long it took and how many deaths we had as it was a late run where we were BSing around.

Beardimus

I havent spent the time in vDSA I would have liked, but for me its pinnable PVE content - As its akin to Dungeons, and in a way how we play solo.

I thought trials would be my PVE end game but I found the playstyle totally different to other PVE - i.e. stand in red and bang buttons.

SO if vDSA is at a point where you can out deeps the mechanics and head it in that direction i'd be all for changing its up a bit to ensure it remains akin to dungeon activity and roles matter.

Mister_DMC

It's just too long and boring, and too much repeated dialogue. Yes Hiath I will beat you. Everyone has beat you, just be quiet and die already.

Alcast

DSA has been outdated for years, stuff like nuking has been done 2 years ago already
Dragon Star Arena (vet)- World Record 23961 score (2.2 DLC) Werewolf Nuke Dragonstar Arena
https://youtu.be/2BfHX_fhzXA

ALL endgame content has been outdated for ages in terms of difficulty already, could even say Cloudrest is outdated because its a joke how fast you can nuke down the mini trial
Mostly due to Champion Points being way too strong. Making it hard for new players to find a grasp and too easy for max CP players.

Emma_Overload

Nah. It's hard enough to find anybody who wants to do it... making it harder would be a disaster.

FakeFox

Is this a nerf Argonian thread? Just kidding.

I really like DSA, but yes it could need some buffs. Especially a hardmode would be cool. Hopefully that Murkmire arena will be good.

Mureel

templesus wrote: »

VDSA has gotten to the point where it is a joke. Here is a clip of my group of 4 DPS(yes we run 4 DPS in VDSA now) on the last boss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMusrZ5nt4

We literally ignore all mechanics and just burn. 2 of us are argonians. It's laughable.


ZOS should look into making it tougher as well as adding a hard mode, a title for flawlessing it, and possibly a skin. Would make the content much more engaging and competitive as it is the only 4 man end game content we truly have bar Fanglair/Scalecaller HM.

THAT is YOU.

Please try and remember that new players come all the time. New players also want to clear it.

I am still teaching new players this all the time.

You're only running to get gear, so treat it like a gear run and move on.

There's nothing to see here.

Mureel

Or 2 player it! :-)

We used to all the time, so surely you can!

Apherius

4 dps ..

You mean 2/3 magNB and 1 magsorc. ofc you don't need healer with that, then with the dps magNB can pull you can skip everything.

CyberOnEso

I personally think they should leave vDSA as it is, content will get easier over time and that is good as it allows more players to experience the content. I got a 44k score a few days ago and yeah it was easier than it was when it released but it was still fun and I know I can improve on it.

As content gets older the less the top tier players play it so it is important that a wider section of the playerbase can clear it so that the content keeps being played.
One of the best things about ESO in my opinion is that content stays relevant over time. Although I may have just cleared cloudrest I could easily go and find a group for VAA (released ages ago) or fungal grotto (released at launch)

Mureel

Alcast wrote: »

DSA has been outdated for years, stuff like nuking has been done 2 years ago already
Dragon Star Arena (vet)- World Record 23961 score (2.2 DLC) Werewolf Nuke Dragonstar Arena
https://youtu.be/2BfHX_fhzXA

ALL endgame content has been outdated for ages in terms of difficulty already, could even say Cloudrest is outdated because its a joke how fast you can nuke down the mini trial
Mostly due to Champion Points being way too strong. Making it hard for new players to find a grasp and too easy for max CP players.

I agree with you in theory. People can nuke the mini trial, but not all people can, shoot. I'd bet that more people actually get ruined on normal +3 than people on vet +3 because less people can get there.

You're right however, in principle- but at the same time, new players are coming all the time (thankfully! Because we need them to keep the game alive!) and they want to clear these things (Laglorn HMs, VDSA, etc) and having these trials classed out of their league would make progression on the newer ones far more difficult.

New trials/dungeons are for old players.

Old trials/dungeons are for training new players.

All the best!

bardx86

Hell no unless you want to take me first?

redspecter23

Solo it naked with no CP if you require a challenge.

It's old content. It will become easier over time. This is not necessarily a bad thing. As content ages and power creep increases the power level of players, the content opens up to a wider audience. This is a good thing. Just because the top tier elites can do something, it doesn't mean the content has to change for this small percentage of players. That would actually be a disastrous thing to do. Balancing around the top tier will alienate the other 99% of your playerbase.

DeadlyRecluse

Meh, it's super old content. It should be more accessible to new players than cutting edge content, as time goes on.

4 experienced max CP dps might burn through it, but I can't imagine 4 CP300 buddies trying to figure it out being successful stacking DPS.

Sergykid

maybe he came just to brag about that his group being 4 pvp dps have done it

me here still trying to find a group to do a few runs and only failing with a classic comp

Mureel

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Meh, it's super old content. It should be more accessible to new players than cutting edge content, as time goes on.

4 experienced max CP dps might burn through it, but I can't imagine 4 CP300 buddies trying to figure it out being successful stacking DPS.

@DeadlyRecluse
This. It's the same as how people are all '3dps is better!' Yes! If they know mechanics and have good DPS and the tank is decent, sure!

If however they are new to it, and/or tank is not exceptional, ya gonna want a healer.

That said; a good healer will make a difference, a big one.

A mediocre to bad healer is actually pointless.

Too many healers think it's all about spamming mutagen or w/e when buffs, debuffs, warhorn and resource provisionare far more important.

A good healer =/= a 3rd DPS.

A bad healer = a liability.

SquareSausage

Still think 3 deeps and a tank is best. You get boss positioning, chains, roots which greatly help the deeps and no mad kiting boss all over the shop.

My guy is 2 pet magsorc so dishes out the heavy heals>

This was no death few month ago.