Glitching through outpost walls

eso_lags

Anyone know if zos are banning players for this? I mean they have to be i would think.. People are actually flipping outposts like this and it really looks like cheating to me...

I have some videos i am waiting to send in to zos but i kind of want to know if its even considered an exploit... I would post them but you know " no naming and shaming".... Which is a stupid rule imo... If it looks like an exploit, post the videos and let the everyone decide. Regardless, thanks if you know.

VaranisArano

Its an exploit. Anything that bypasses the need to siege down walls is an exploit, whether that's nightblades ambushing into into keeps, DKs leaping up walls, or people walking through glitched walls.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278031/cyrodiil-cheating-exploiting-you


Now, there's been no indication so far that ZOS is banning or taking any action against people abusing the broken walls glitch.

pod88kk

I got killed by 2 players under the floor at Nikel today. Is this an exploit or just a mistake

WuffyCerulei

It's an exploit. Report and all souls who glitch through the walls.

FloppyTouch

Yh I've seen walls at 100% but they look like they are still down and yellow was just jumping through the hole no siege and flipped the flags at bleakers.

Kybotica

People do accidentally end up doing it, so just make sure it isn't a one-off thing. I main a NB, and I've accidentally ended up going into a keep using ambush on a guy running away into an outpost door. I wasn't "glitching" or "exploiting," I just hit the ambush ability at the exact time it needed to be done.

This is probably why they don't always ban for it. Some groups may very well do it deliberately, but don't report people who aren't deliberately abusing it.

As long as they're obviously exploiting it, report away.

thegreat_one

We have had other players from other factions come over and tell us that they saw some of their faction doing it, tried to tell them not, apologizes etc etc, so if its on purpose, it gets called out really quick

VaranisArano

Kybotica wrote: »

People do accidentally end up doing it, so just make sure it isn't a one-off thing. I main a NB, and I've accidentally ended up going into a keep using ambush on a guy running away into an outpost door. I wasn't "glitching" or "exploiting," I just hit the ambush ability at the exact time it needed to be done.

This is probably why they don't always ban for it. Some groups may very well do it deliberately, but don't report people who aren't deliberately abusing it.

As long as they're obviously exploiting it, report away.

Well, ambushing into keeps is an exploit. Its an exploit that can happen accidently, but its still an exploit.

Heck, I've wound up accidentally in the middle of an exploit. There are times when I disconnect in the middle of fighting in an inner keep, then the game logs me back into that inner keep, after its been sealed by the enemy. I just sheathe my weapons and let the guards kill me while I report it to ZOS, because anything else would be taking advantage of that glitch where the game doesn't put me at my home gate.

Personally, its pretty easy for me to tell the difference between the people who did ambush into keeps accidently (they die or leave the keep) and the people who do it deliberately or decide to rush upstairs and start killing everyone. I'd guess its pretty easy for ZOS to tell whether its a rare, accidental thing or if a player does it a bunch too.

SirDopey

Deliberately doing it should definitely attract some kind of action but a lot of people are innocently getting caught up in it.

IE. One of the AD gates, when enemy templars use javlin while you're on the wall you get knocked down to below the floor and can't get out but you can run half way through the wall and attack enemies on the other side. Since you've been hit by an enemy player then obviously there's a battle of a gate going on keeping you stuck in combat preventing you from /stuck. So the only way out is to poke your head through and wait for an enemy to kill you so that you can respawn.

I imagine with the above situation, a lot of people are screenshotting/videoing these unfortunate souls and reporting them for exploiting when it's actually the Javelin spammers that are responsible for sending them down there.

phairdon

Caught an AD player glitching onto the top, of an outer keep wall today.

LadyLethalla

I was amazed when I saw this on the weekend - although the single EP player was just using it as a Suicide Express.

Miswar

ZoS should start banning these players exploiting this.

I have reported few that I have seen glitching this more than once.

Than again have 0% faith ZoS will do anything since they do not give **** about PvP related stuff.

There has been whole groups glitching 100% side walls and assaulting flags while you are defending an keep at front door or up. Also few emps have been crowned using this wall glitch.

Personally feel these players that have been exploiting this should recieve extensive bans.

eso_lags

Sweet. I got some goooood video of some eps on xbox doing it a couple nights ago.. like going in and out of the wall.. i dont get how they literally perma ban (with no appeals) people for glitching the skin from VAS but they allow this to go on..

Like that skin glitch hurts the game in the sense that people work hard to get it, but this is actually cheating to get an advantage in pvp.. and these players are still running around doing it.. I mean I did report them but im gonna send the video tomorrow.

Tasear

Hmm... interesting, let me pass this along.

Marabornwingrion

Tasear wrote: »

Hmm... interesting, let me pass this along.

ZOS already knows.

Marabornwingrion

I've recorded video of myself doing it, I can send it to ZOS so it can be fixed faster when they'll see how it works

dem0n1k

it's been happening a lot since Summerset & none of the subsequent patches seem to have fixed it. The only good side about it is that most of the time it only works for about 50% of players. So it tends to split up groups that try to use it & half come through & the rest get stuck outside. That usually makes the group easier to kill. The really bad side is... the players that are inside can just jump back out when they go low on health & by the time you use the door to chase them... they have healed back up or jumped back inside !@#

It's bad that players deliberately exploit it (especially with a group) but IMO it should not be a bannable offense because the players are not using some hack to do it... the game is just broken.

Valve

This bug has been around for as long as I can remember.

It's not something a player can make happen as far as I know.

If ZOS would be able to reproduce the issue, they'd probably be able to fix it, but due to the nature of the glitch (not an exploit) it is hard to fix.

Now, if someone abuses the glitch that is exploiting the issue but because they did not intentionally cause this wall issue to appear in the first place, it would unfair to ban for it.

itzTJ wrote: »

Sweet. I got some goooood video of some eps on xbox doing it a couple nights ago.. like going in and out of the wall.. i dont get how they literally perma ban (with no appeals) people for glitching the skin from VAS but they allow this to go on..

This isn't even a fair comparison. People exploiting vAS knew exactly what they were doing and had to take steps to skip the mechanics of the fight.

This PvP glitch occurs without the player doing anything to specifically cause it. Sure, they shouldn't exploit it, but it's not their fault it's occurring in the first place. The "rewards" for exploiting vAS were significantly greater than any possible outcome of walking through a wall they can't even see.

SinfulPrinc3ss

Im glad to finally see a post about this. Ive seen first hand (main an ad nb) where an outpost wall has a door but the around the door is an opening that can be jumped through. Same with a keep. Enemy factions get through the outer wall and immediately scan the inner and suddenly come jumpin through what looks like a fully repaired wall and take over quickly.

I wont use this personally. I will however peek in from outside to see whats inside (kind of like when the keep walls or door are gone and you can see in but cant actually go in).

Another thing that was noticed today by a guildie was a scroll that was never taken from the temple magically ended up at Arrius then Farragut then back to the temple...we had our home keeps so it couldnt have been taken not to mention nothing popped up saying it ws taken.

Oh and blinking/invisible people. Ive been killed by a wrecking blow spammer when i was in the middle of a field riding to a keep with no one in sight...or they are inside the keep blinking in and out of the instance making it almost impossible to kill them.

Something really needs to be done about these things. Its just getting worse and i feel like in some cases is deterring people from even trying pvp.

By the way xbox na vivec campaign
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Skall66

Most of these are not exploits, it's easier to ban people than to fix bugs, don't give ZOS this excuse.

Beardimus

VaranisArano wrote: »

Kybotica wrote: »

People do accidentally end up doing it, so just make sure it isn't a one-off thing. I main a NB, and I've accidentally ended up going into a keep using ambush on a guy running away into an outpost door. I wasn't "glitching" or "exploiting," I just hit the ambush ability at the exact time it needed to be done.

This is probably why they don't always ban for it. Some groups may very well do it deliberately, but don't report people who aren't deliberately abusing it.

As long as they're obviously exploiting it, report away.

Well, ambushing into keeps is an exploit. Its an exploit that can happen accidently, but its still an exploit.

Heck, I've wound up accidentally in the middle of an exploit. There are times when I disconnect in the middle of fighting in an inner keep, then the game logs me back into that inner keep, after its been sealed by the enemy. I just sheathe my weapons and let the guards kill me while I report it to ZOS, because anything else would be taking advantage of that glitch where the game doesn't put me at my home gate.

Personally, its pretty easy for me to tell the difference between the people who did ambush into keeps accidently (they die or leave the keep) and the people who do it deliberately or decide to rush upstairs and start killing everyone. I'd guess its pretty easy for ZOS to tell whether its a rare, accidental thing or if a player does it a bunch too.

Has that too on relog, or when we had rubber banding a few times if appear back in the keep like 2 mins back in time lol

it to your point. I'm sure ZOS can see the difference between a one off, and repeated use of the same method

ArchMikem

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

It's an exploit. Report all souls who glitch through the walls.

Im gonna be honest, a couple days ago i did this at Bleakers i think. The postern wall looked down but the door itself was still up. My group thought the wall texture was just bugged but something made me try to walk through. When i did we started freaking out about it.

To note, our side were sieging at the time and when i walked through the bugged wall we broke down the front door at the same time, and we only did this the once by accident/curiosity. In fact that was the only time we found a bugged wall like that, but still im not one to intentionally exploit.

Just being honest, plz dont ban.

Olen_Mikko

Is it an exploit? Yes.
Does it affect crown store? No.

Then no problem.
- ZOS

Heimpai

Skall66 wrote: »

Most of these are not exploits, it's easier to ban people than to fix bugs, don't give ZOS this excuse.

I agree, however i watched a tank from AD right after outer fd came down he ran for the postern door did something that looked like he clapped and walked right in..of course i followed him and killed him but that was definitely intentional

Miswar

That wall glitch actually can be manually done and there is even youtube videos on how to do so.

Thus it is literally an exploit and have seen people doing that repeatedly.

As for expecting anything to happen for these people well 0% expectations. This is not Trial glitch thus they do not care.

smokey13a

itzTJ wrote: »

I have some videos i am waiting to send in to zos but i kind of want to know if its even considered an exploit...

its an exploit of a bug, I've seen it quite a few times but couldn't work out how they were doing it and then one day i was at a keep being attacked by my faction and when i went around the side to check for camps i noticed the postern looked open but the door was still there and it still blocked me(i thought it was like the front door bug where its on 0 health but still closed) so i took a closer look at the invisible wall and ended up walking straight through it.

now I know how its done if i see a wall that looks like that I stay away in case ZOS does start banning for it.

personally I don't really care if people get banned for it or not but ZOS does need to fix it asap.

I would post them but you know " no naming and shaming".... Which is a stupid rule imo... If it looks like an exploit, post the videos and let the everyone decide. Regardless, thanks if you know.

well as your sig says your on xbox you can edit the video in the upload studio thing and add an effect that covers the names and then you could upload/post it without the "naming and shaming" coming into play.

VaranisArano

Valve wrote: »

This bug has been around for as long as I can remember.

It's not something a player can make happen as far as I know.

If ZOS would be able to reproduce the issue, they'd probably be able to fix it, but due to the nature of the glitch (not an exploit) it is hard to fix.

Now, if someone abuses the glitch that is exploiting the issue but because they did not intentionally cause this wall issue to appear in the first place, it would unfair to ban for it.

itzTJ wrote: »

Sweet. I got some goooood video of some eps on xbox doing it a couple nights ago.. like going in and out of the wall.. i dont get how they literally perma ban (with no appeals) people for glitching the skin from VAS but they allow this to go on..

This isn't even a fair comparison. People exploiting vAS knew exactly what they were doing and had to take steps to skip the mechanics of the fight.

This PvP glitch occurs without the player doing anything to specifically cause it. Sure, they shouldn't exploit it, but it's not their fault it's occurring in the first place. The "rewards" for exploiting vAS were significantly greater than any possible outcome of walking through a wall they can't even see.

You do realize that under the TOS you dont have to cause the glitch to happen in order for it to be exploiting, right?

The glitch happens on its own, as far as I know. You come up to a keep or outpost, there's a wall you can enter even though the wall still has health. Perhaps the door is still there but the wall is down and you could walk in and take the flags.

That's the glitch.

Now, you've got the choice to exploit it or not. Do you go inside and flip the flags even though you just bypassed the need to siege the walls/door down to zero, which is an exploit? Or do you stop and siege the wall/door down properly?

Using a glitch, whether you caused it to happen or not, is an exploit. Bypassing the need to siege down the walls, accidentally or on purpose, is an exploit. In the link I put above, ZOS points out that bypassing the need to siege down walls/doors is a bannable offense (though as far as I know they haven't taken action on anyone for this exploit, currently.)

nemvar

tbh they should just have fixed this issue by now. The ambush-exploit has been in the game since day 1.

A easy bandaid for this issue would be to buff all damage done by the inner guards by 400% and making them invunerable while all walls are above ~30%.

nemvar

VaranisArano wrote: »

Using a glitch, whether you caused it to happen or not, is an exploit. Bypassing the need to siege down the walls, accidentally or on purpose, is an exploit. In the link I put above, ZOS points out that bypassing the need to siege down walls/doors is a bannable offense (though as far as I know they haven't taken action on anyone for this exploit, currently.)

A big problem with this is that it is possible to flip a keep without siege or exploiting. Just stealth, let the enemies take it and after everyone left take it back.

White wabbit

It's not like people don't know about this, it's been on the forums and players chat with each other online so there really isn't much excuse that they didn't know, so I hope they get what a coming to them , it wouldn't surprise me if there isn't Ap boosting going on as well and zos dealt with that last time so I'm sure it will be dealt with again

Starlock

I noticed this for the first time during this event too (I don't PvP a lot, so that is probably why). Some of my fellow guildies explained it to me, and it was really obvious the person was doing it deliberately. Unfortunately, reporting an enemy player isn't easy on XBOX. I wonder if we saw the same people, @itzTJ - it was someone in EP. What process did you use to report them?