Voted to kick you

Ratzkifal

I imagine that it's just a slang term. Like "kill" to end a program.

vometia

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

LizziAS wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trauma_trigger

Yes, i have those. I am suffering from ptsd and depression. That's why i stay out of cyrodil and imperial city and avoid PvP at all costs.

I only go for skyshards and try to avoid other players at all costs. But yes those arent the only triggers in the game

If your ptsd gets triggered easily due to other players being around. Shouldn't you have a responsibility to not play these types of games. I have mild ptsd and Autism. But i never use it as an excuse and don't play online multiplayer games. You have a responsibility to your well being.

I'm not entirely sure that's reasonable. Gaming should be relaxing escapism, something that's quite important to people with that sort of problem who may have difficulty doing so elsewhere (speaking as someone else with PTSD and autism). There's no need for it to be toxic but I guess some people are going to behave like that so it comes down to weighing up one's options. In my case I've pretty much entirely ignored online gaming because of the risk and after a month in ESO remain somewhat ambivalent about it, but I would consider it inappropriate to suggest that someone else shouldn't be here. There's no reason there shouldn't be space for us all.

zaria

madchuska83 wrote: »

Political Correctness is a plague. People nowadays go out of their way to find something offensive. Guess what; Everything offends someone! Develop a skin for god's sake. No one ever used to pander on about how someone hurt their feelings. They took it in stride or bottled that **** up.

If getting kicked from a dungeon really hurts your poor wittle feelings I have some words of wisdom for you;

Grow up!
Grow a pair!
Get on with your life!

This, add get good so you don't get kicked. Don't queue for content you are not ready for.
got kicked once, CoS back then I started with healing. It was vet by mistake

Merlin13KAGL

Perhaps a radio box selection of Hallmark greeting card phrases could be selected from, expressing the true sentiment of the group on your departure?

I'm going to venture to say, most people getting kicked have a pretty good idea why (even if the 'why' is that the other three people are imbeciles.)

Changing the terminology doesn't somehow make someone feel and warmer or fuzzier at the fact they were removed from an instance.

FWIW, unless you're blatantly not doing what you're intended, most groups, or at least group leads, should have no issue telling why a replacement is deemed necessary. That way there can truly be no hard feelings and everyone benefits from legit constructive criticism.

rayzgravity

The word's fine.. unless you literally just got in the group and the lead booted you to give a spot to a guildie or something similar.. happen at least once to anyone that does pugs so doesn't mean your incompetent...

... unless you did play for a while in this group and you sucked

Mureel

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Ergh, another one of these requests. Does it hurt you to see the word “kick” or something?

I’d imagine that the act of kicking you should hurt more than the words used to describe it...

Secretly wanna start a PVP Guild Called Cry Closet.

Aesthier

Agenericname

phermitgb wrote: »

SP39EMC2 wrote: »

Your group members voted to kick you from the group.
Instead of "kick" why not "remove"
Just saying...LOL!

I'm with you OP - wouldn't kill the community to use language that was more polite and encouraging and less demeaning.

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and I speak as an American sick of American competitive mentality these days...

Thats not because of being competitive. A person can be competitive and polite, many professionals are. They're not mutually exclusive.

"Kick" is figurative. As with most figures of speech it's meant to provide emphasis, in this case negative. Sometimes its warranted, sometimes its not.

CruelCult

SP39EMC2 wrote: »

Your group members voted to kick you from the group.
Instead of "kick" why not "remove"
Just saying...LOL!

cause you have been kicked.

Conduit0

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

I'd rather see the ability to remove players from a group REMOVED (in dungeons and trials only). Those of you incapable of dealing with low skilled players should be more tolerant, less of a ***-trump-hairdo, and l2pn.

Removing low level, unskilled players is far from the only reason this game has a kick function.

Not to mention that it is entire reasonable to kick a player from a group that has queued for content that they are clearly incapable of handling. No one should be forced to carry someone who is dead weight.

I removed my cp for a challenge, I did vcos on a stamblade without a problem, so no cp is fine, level isn't a problem

I never said anything about CP or levels, so nice straw man attempt. Fake tanks, fake healers, and DPS so bad they can't even pass simple DPS checks are all quite real and no one should have to put up with these people if they don't want to.

Zardayne

Nestor wrote: »

Long ago I decided that all synonyms are really the same thing with different letters.

Like I told the last person to correct my word choice, "You understood what I said enough to suggest another word, so you understood what I said in the first place"

I like that..that's a good one.

newtinmpls

Nulami wrote: »

Means the same.

It's not like it says "voted to slice and dice you and feed you to the fishes to get rid of your sorry...." lol

On the other hand, that's kind of an interesting way to phrase it....."so and so isn't here [in the dungeon] any more." "oh, where did he go?" "He's resting with the slaughterfishes."

Cadbury

Conduit0 wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

I'd rather see the ability to remove players from a group REMOVED (in dungeons and trials only). Those of you incapable of dealing with low skilled players should be more tolerant, less of a ***-trump-hairdo, and l2pn.

Removing low level, unskilled players is far from the only reason this game has a kick function.

Not to mention that it is entire reasonable to kick a player from a group that has queued for content that they are clearly incapable of handling. No one should be forced to carry someone who is dead weight.

I removed my cp for a challenge, I did vcos on a stamblade without a problem, so no cp is fine, level isn't a problem

I never said anything about CP or levels, so nice straw man attempt. Fake tanks, fake healers, and DPS so bad they can't even pass simple DPS checks are all quite real and no one should have to put up with these people if they don't want to.

To be fair, I believe the OP wasn't referring to have the option to "kick" players being removed, but rather how it's worded. It seems the phrase "kicking" a player is problematic for some.

At least, that's my interpretation.

Conduit0

Cadbury wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

I'd rather see the ability to remove players from a group REMOVED (in dungeons and trials only). Those of you incapable of dealing with low skilled players should be more tolerant, less of a ***-trump-hairdo, and l2pn.

Removing low level, unskilled players is far from the only reason this game has a kick function.

Not to mention that it is entire reasonable to kick a player from a group that has queued for content that they are clearly incapable of handling. No one should be forced to carry someone who is dead weight.

I removed my cp for a challenge, I did vcos on a stamblade without a problem, so no cp is fine, level isn't a problem

I never said anything about CP or levels, so nice straw man attempt. Fake tanks, fake healers, and DPS so bad they can't even pass simple DPS checks are all quite real and no one should have to put up with these people if they don't want to.

To be fair, I believe the OP wasn't referring to have the option to "kick" players being removed, but rather how it's worded. It seems the phrase "kicking" a player is problematic for some.

At least, that's my interpretation.

If you click the "show previous quotes" button you'll see this particular conversation started with a person who did suggest removing the kick option altogether.

Cadbury

Conduit0 wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Conduit0 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

I'd rather see the ability to remove players from a group REMOVED (in dungeons and trials only). Those of you incapable of dealing with low skilled players should be more tolerant, less of a ***-trump-hairdo, and l2pn.

Removing low level, unskilled players is far from the only reason this game has a kick function.

Not to mention that it is entire reasonable to kick a player from a group that has queued for content that they are clearly incapable of handling. No one should be forced to carry someone who is dead weight.

I removed my cp for a challenge, I did vcos on a stamblade without a problem, so no cp is fine, level isn't a problem

I never said anything about CP or levels, so nice straw man attempt. Fake tanks, fake healers, and DPS so bad they can't even pass simple DPS checks are all quite real and no one should have to put up with these people if they don't want to.

To be fair, I believe the OP wasn't referring to have the option to "kick" players being removed, but rather how it's worded. It seems the phrase "kicking" a player is problematic for some.

At least, that's my interpretation.

If you click the "show previous quotes" button you'll see this particular conversation started with a person who did suggest removing the kick option altogether.

Sorry, I was referring to the topic in general. But I agree with you

Armatesz

LizziAS wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

I'd rather see the ability to remove players from a group REMOVED (in dungeons and trials only). Those of you incapable of dealing with low skilled players should be more tolerant

Removing low level, unskilled players is far from the only reason this game has a kick function.

Yes, there are arrogant players who think they can solo the dungeon but wont do it solo and so they run ahead killing all the small bosses without you, denying you your share of the boons from those kills and then they expect you to work with them to kill the one boss they cant kill by themselves. Thieves like that should be kicked straight away. And when i see them, i vote them out or leave.

Not all of us that solo dungeons do that to people. Even those of us that vet solo dungeons either. There is always the hit and miss of those that can do the dungeons by themselves that do that crud and there are those that can do it by themselves but don't leave people in the dust. Some of us do dungeons by ourselves to learn the dungeons so others have less of a headache about it. You know how nice it is to see someone relieved of stress about the dungeon versus someone stressed over by the dungeon? It isn't a fun thing to see others stressed over things.

Azuramoonstar

vometia wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

LizziAS wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trauma_trigger

Yes, i have those. I am suffering from ptsd and depression. That's why i stay out of cyrodil and imperial city and avoid PvP at all costs.

I only go for skyshards and try to avoid other players at all costs. But yes those arent the only triggers in the game

If your ptsd gets triggered easily due to other players being around. Shouldn't you have a responsibility to not play these types of games. I have mild ptsd and Autism. But i never use it as an excuse and don't play online multiplayer games. You have a responsibility to your well being.

I'm not entirely sure that's reasonable. Gaming should be relaxing escapism, something that's quite important to people with that sort of problem who may have difficulty doing so elsewhere (speaking as someone else with PTSD and autism). There's no need for it to be toxic but I guess some people are going to behave like that so it comes down to weighing up one's options. In my case I've pretty much entirely ignored online gaming because of the risk and after a month in ESO remain somewhat ambivalent about it, but I would consider it inappropriate to suggest that someone else shouldn't be here. There's no reason there shouldn't be space for us all.

gaming is relaxing and peaceful, i play MMO as i enjoy them and it helps me get better with my ptsd and my communication skills. I find it (for lack of better terms) disgusting when people use their disabilities to police others, or demand inclusion with special treatment.

When you have a disability, you have an obligation to understand your limits. What i said, is what psychologist said, don't do things that will incite your triggers, don't go to places that incite your triggers. You can only blame yourself if you get a trigger of ptsd as you have to assume the risks.

If other players trigger you, don't play mmo. If you wanna play mmo, then gotta join in and accept the good and bad. You can't say "but my ptsd" or "but my autism". You can explain things like "i act this way because of ptsd/autism" but can't use it as an excuse.

There is space for everyone, but you got to play by the rules, and assume all the risks.

again, any psychologist will say the same stuff. I've been seeing psychologist since i was 4, and i'm 33 now. I had this speech said to me.

another way to put it, is having ptsd, going to a movie with a trigger warning and having an attack but trying to sue the theater for showing it. Judge will say you assumed all the risks. MMo have existed since the 90s, its not like you can't research how MMO are.

(im saying you in general, not you in particular)

So tldr: yes what i said was reasonable, any psychologist will tell you the same thing.

vometia

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

gaming is relaxing and peaceful, i play MMO as i enjoy them and it helps me get better with my ptsd and my communication skills. I find it (for lack of better terms) disgusting when people use their disabilities to police others, or demand inclusion with special treatment.

When you have a disability, you have an obligation to understand your limits. What i said, is what psychologist said, don't do things that will incite your triggers, don't go to places that incite your triggers. You can only blame yourself if you get a trigger of ptsd as you have to assume the risks.

If other players trigger you, don't play mmo. If you wanna play mmo, then gotta join in and accept the good and bad. You can't say "but my ptsd" or "but my autism". You can explain things like "i act this way because of ptsd/autism" but can't use it as an excuse.
[snip]

I partly agree and partly don't. I don't think anybody should expect special treatment just because they demand it, whatever the reason; but on the other hand I think there is a reasonable standard of behaviour that might be expected by anyone, and similarly, people who don't feel obliged to meet that standard should perhaps likewise deal with the consequences. If a person doesn't "police" their speech IRL they'll very quickly get a reality check. I think at present there is perhaps a slight imbalance that leans too far in favour of "deal with it" that perhaps isn't entirely realistic in any social gathering outside of the virtual world, though it is a matter of debate as to exactly where the line should be drawn: there's a very wide space between total anarchy and overly pedantic policing.

paulychan

It’s would be cool if it was role specific, firing off from a variable assigned to the roll you chose to fill.

“ your DPS sucks, by kid”
“You call that healing?”
“Fake tanks must die”
Or maybe just...
“You burp in the mic too much and your mouthy gf won’t shut up in the background. Also, please kill your ankle biter, his yelping is annoying”

Mojmir

If that's your best,your best won't do.

Kel

Guessing this is a troll topic since the op dropped his opinion and hasn't responded but to say peace.

PlagueSD

Aesthier wrote: »

I see that and all I can think of is Tae Kwon Leap...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VD4JXUozM

Azuramoonstar

vometia wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

gaming is relaxing and peaceful, i play MMO as i enjoy them and it helps me get better with my ptsd and my communication skills. I find it (for lack of better terms) disgusting when people use their disabilities to police others, or demand inclusion with special treatment.

When you have a disability, you have an obligation to understand your limits. What i said, is what psychologist said, don't do things that will incite your triggers, don't go to places that incite your triggers. You can only blame yourself if you get a trigger of ptsd as you have to assume the risks.

If other players trigger you, don't play mmo. If you wanna play mmo, then gotta join in and accept the good and bad. You can't say "but my ptsd" or "but my autism". You can explain things like "i act this way because of ptsd/autism" but can't use it as an excuse.
[snip]

I partly agree and partly don't. I don't think anybody should expect special treatment just because they demand it, whatever the reason; but on the other hand I think there is a reasonable standard of behaviour that might be expected by anyone, and similarly, people who don't feel obliged to meet that standard should perhaps likewise deal with the consequences. If a person doesn't "police" their speech IRL they'll very quickly get a reality check. I think at present there is perhaps a slight imbalance that leans too far in favour of "deal with it" that perhaps isn't entirely realistic in any social gathering outside of the virtual world, though it is a matter of debate as to exactly where the line should be drawn: there's a very wide space between total anarchy and overly pedantic policing.

Think of it like going to a bonfire, but having a fear of fire. Now you don't have to go but choose to, then you put out said fire and say "you should respect my fear of fire, i'm just here to be with my friends."

btw most people don't hold back, by policing speech i was talking about correcting people on a whim, simple because you felt offended.

Offence is taken, not given.

Also i've been called the worst stuff by others on the internet, i brush it off and block them I report it if it breaks the ToS. I try not to let it bother me, or use my disabilities as a scape goat.

Moving out of your comfort zone helps you grow as a person, you can't always enable negative/ anti social behavior.
If you play an MMO expect that sometimes you gotta deal with others. If you can't, don't play mmo.

I learned better social and communications from playing MMO as i expected i had to deal wuth other players. I went from 0 talking through out my life, to being the first to help other ppl. This helped me grow as a person.

edit: was frustrated

Agobi

Anyone disagreeing with my right to be offended, offends me!


/b*tthurtism o.O

vometia

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Think of it like going to a bonfire, but having a fear of fire. Now you don't have to go but choose to, then you put out said fire and say "you should respect my fear of fire, i'm just here to be with my friends."

btw most people don't hold back, by policing speech i was talking about correcting people on a whim, simple because you felt offended.

Offence is taken, not given.
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There is that, and I tend to not do things that are guaranteed to cause alarm. I have albeit somewhat intermittent vertigo, so I wouldn't go abseiling, for instance. Well I did once, when I was young and "what was the worst that could happen?" and, well, the worst was "argh". I actually hung over the precipice for far longer than it would've taken me to descend.

In this instance I view it more as going down the pub. It'll be chatty, some of those chats will be quite ribald, but that's fine. If someone is severely offended by strong language then perhaps the pub is not for them. But it's a matter of degree: laughing, innuendo and a fair bit of swearing are par for the course, but if you get a bunch of yobs mouthing off, regardless of who is or isn't offended, sooner or later they will be asked to keep it down, and if they don't, go through the usual progression of asked to leave, told to leave and made to leave. Interestingly, having witnessed this a few times, many apologise and do as they're asked but it is often the moment when you truly get to see some over-sensitive souls who do not like being called out on their behaviour. Certainly a lot more than almost any intended target thereof.

In examples such as what's being discussed here, in spite of my involvement (yeah I know) I can't see it even reaches the minimum standard of someone unreasonably taking offence, but it is that thing where even the most easy-going person eventually gets a bit worn down by repeatedly abrasive behaviour which I would guess is really what it's all about. I don't think there's too much controversy in being expected to be polite. Which is nothing to do with "I can't deal with this because I'm autistic and have PTSD" but is more down to perceiving someone as needlessly and repeatedly being a bit of an arse: whether they are or not is arguable, sometimes they are and sometimes it is that perception simply because it's the straw that breaks the camel's back. I guess my assertion is that it's probably a good idea to generally err on the side of politeness for one's own sake as tending not to be will increase one's chances of being that straw.

PlagueSD

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Offense is taken, not given.

Best quote ever.

vometia

PlagueSD wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Offense is taken, not given.

Best quote ever.

Oh, yeah, 1997: that'll be around the time people were leaving newsfroups en masse because of all the bell ends. Or 1987, the year I nearly got chucked out of college for being an arse online: hopefully I learnt from that. At least some of the time.

zaria

PlagueSD wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Offense is taken, not given.

Best quote ever.

This, and recommending wearing heavy armor in this case even if not meta, also get an vampire cure.
Consider race change to Orc, Argonian or Khajiit for thicker skin, scales or fur adds additional protection.