Suggestions for the Monster Shoulder RNG Grind

EölMPK

Hey guys, as the title says, any suggestions for improving this rng grind? I'm farming my skeleton pirate shoulders for weeks now, I got almost every other monster shoulder from Redbeard's chest and nothing
What do you think?

BigBragg

Other: Describe your idea

I think the loot pools are over saturated, and for some of us seem to have the RNG unnaturally weighted to less desirable sets. When you add in chasing specific weights in these armor piece the grind for Undaunted sets can become rather daunting.

I would say splitting up the boxes a bit more would be appreciated, as I really doubt a flat token system will ever com into being. ZOS love, love, loves their RNG grind with some extra RNG on top. Maybe getting each box down to 4 sets? That still provides 108 different loot options per box.

Puzzlenuts

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I ran into a similar problem trying to get Grothdarr shoulders a while back. I had the weight I wanted but not the trait. I was looking for divines or infused and was getting well fitted or sturdy or whatever else that I didn't want. When I would complain to guildmates about not being able to get the shoulders I wanted they would tell me they have a few in their bank. I thought It would be great if I could trade or buy them. Then transmutation came along and I transmuted the shoulders I needed. You can trade monster helms with in your group why not shoulders?

EölMPK

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Its very frustrating to be locked on a time gated total RNG thing to get the only piece you need to complete your set

D0PAMINE

Some kind of token system

You should be able to choose what trait you want, otherwise it's not really a reward if all you get is trash and frustration. I stopped running pledges all together because im sick of wasting time for a piece I dont want.

Hurtfan

Some kind of token system

Your skeleton pirate shoulders = my Slimecraw light armor shoulders. Took me 2 weeks of grinding undaunted before I got them.

I like the token system idea. That way you at least know you will get what you want eventually.

Waffennacht

As more and more sets get released, they should divide them up amongst more chests, making the likely hood of getting what you want better

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Other: Describe your idea

Transmute was the fix, and the system is just fine. It is supposed to be a grind, and its a shell of what it used to be. Play the game long enough and you will have every shoulder in every weight, I have multiple of each and haven't consistently run dailys in over a year. That is really all you need.

This game gives you flexibility. There is no such thing as needing an exact piece, you almost always have at least 2 weights of a shoulder that will work, assuming you adjust the helm, which is a much easier farm. You arent good enough to notice the difference of one armor trait being off (you can count the number of people in this game that would notice on one hand, I certainly aint one of them), and you have the opportunity in game to fix it. The first 600k VMA score was done with a purple well-fitted shoulder for crying out loud.

EölMPK

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Hurtfan wrote: »

Your skeleton pirate shoulders = my Slimecraw light armor shoulders. Took me 2 weeks of grinding undaunted before I got them.

I like the token system idea. That way you at least know you will get what you want eventually.

Im going for 5 weeks now

EölMPK

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Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Transmute was the fix, and the system is just fine. It is supposed to be a grind, and its a shell of what it used to be. Play the game long enough and you will have every shoulder in every weight, I have multiple of each and haven't consistently run dailys in over a year. That is really all you need.

This game gives you flexibility. There is no such thing as needing an exact piece, you almost always have at least 2 weights of a shoulder that will work, assuming you adjust the helm, which is a much easier farm. You arent good enough to notice the difference of one armor trait being off (you can count the number of people in this game that would notice on one hand, I certainly aint one of them), and you have the opportunity in game to fix it. The first 600k VMA score was done with a purple well-fitted shoulder for crying out loud.

You do know that with those rng chests, there is the possibility to never drop the item you want, right?

Hurtfan

Some kind of token system

Grunge wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Your skeleton pirate shoulders = my Slimecraw light armor shoulders. Took me 2 weeks of grinding undaunted before I got them.

I like the token system idea. That way you at least know you will get what you want eventually.

Im going for 5 weeks now

bleck

Waffennacht

Grunge wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Your skeleton pirate shoulders = my Slimecraw light armor shoulders. Took me 2 weeks of grinding undaunted before I got them.

I like the token system idea. That way you at least know you will get what you want eventually.

Im going for 5 weeks now

I try to avoid this by saving as many keys as I can before a release, then drop em all to try and get said item. Right now, trying to get a specific item from any of the chests really is daunting (pun intended)

EölMPK

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Waffennacht wrote: »

Grunge wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Your skeleton pirate shoulders = my Slimecraw light armor shoulders. Took me 2 weeks of grinding undaunted before I got them.

I like the token system idea. That way you at least know you will get what you want eventually.

Im going for 5 weeks now

I try to avoid this by saving as many keys as I can before a release, then drop em all to try and get said item. Right now, trying to get a specific item from any of the chests really is daunting (pun intended)

Tried something like that, gathered 15 keys and spend all at once, lots of duplicates and no skeleton pirate

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Other: Describe your idea

Grunge wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Transmute was the fix, and the system is just fine. It is supposed to be a grind, and its a shell of what it used to be. Play the game long enough and you will have every shoulder in every weight, I have multiple of each and haven't consistently run dailys in over a year. That is really all you need.

This game gives you flexibility. There is no such thing as needing an exact piece, you almost always have at least 2 weights of a shoulder that will work, assuming you adjust the helm, which is a much easier farm. You arent good enough to notice the difference of one armor trait being off (you can count the number of people in this game that would notice on one hand, I certainly aint one of them), and you have the opportunity in game to fix it. The first 600k VMA score was done with a purple well-fitted shoulder for crying out loud.

You do know that with those rng chests, there is the possibility to never drop the item you want, right?

There is a possibility that I will be struck by lighting twice immediately after winning the powerball. I am not that worried about it though... And technically, with infinite keys you would have all possible combos.

lagrue

Sit, cry and stay as it is

Grunge wrote: »

Hey guys, as the title says, any suggestions for improving this rng grind? I'm farming my skeleton pirate shoulders for weeks now, I got almost every other monster shoulder from Redbeard's chest and nothing
What do you think?

I mean you wrote it biasedly in your poll options but honestly it's fine as it is imo. Yes it's LONG to get certain pieces. In the last 2 weeks I ran 9-12 dungeons a day across my prepared alts... out of all those keys on Redbutt's chest, I only got 1 Illambris, which is what I wanted - and even in the days since, I've yet to see another. (Also fun fact, I can't stop getting Pirate Skeleton and Troll King, have like 50 of each - RNG is a cruel mistress but in my experience those have been the 2 single most common shoulders.)

RNG is always gonna be fickle like RNG does, but it isn't so bad in this case. If you farm your dailies for a few weeks you're bound to get the piece you want, as well as rack up some sweet, sweet transmute geodes - and for any who don't have it done, that sweet sweet Undaunted inspiration.

The only real issue with the current system is whether the piece will be Light/Medium/Heavy which you have no control over - but thanks to CWC we can now fix bad traits atleast. I would say CWC already killed 90% of the piece grind off. Trait farming was usually the real farm, not just getting the piece.

Imo the grind really isn't that bad even if a bit random. Much better now than ever before.

KraziJoe

spent about 30 for Grothdarr Light, FINALLY got it 3 times in a row, just to *** me off.

BaneOfBattler

The solution is simple and enjoyable and self improving; make multiple 50's i got 8 over the years and i got every armor set in every possible combination with the traits i usually use in less than a year. I even got the dlc ones. Just doing them occasionally.

The problem is not the chance or the rng.

Do something about it.

EölMPK

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lagrue wrote: »

Grunge wrote: »

Hey guys, as the title says, any suggestions for improving this rng grind? I'm farming my skeleton pirate shoulders for weeks now, I got almost every other monster shoulder from Redbeard's chest and nothing
What do you think?

I mean you wrote it biasedly in your poll options but honestly it's fine as it is imo.

How can it be biased, if I gave 2 different options that came to mind, an option to stay as it is, and an option to write your own idea? :P

lagrue

Sit, cry and stay as it is

Grunge wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Grunge wrote: »

Hey guys, as the title says, any suggestions for improving this rng grind? I'm farming my skeleton pirate shoulders for weeks now, I got almost every other monster shoulder from Redbeard's chest and nothing
What do you think?

I mean you wrote it biasedly in your poll options but honestly it's fine as it is imo.

How can it be biased, if I gave 2 different options that came to mind, an option to stay as it is, and an option to write your own idea? :P

It's biased because of "sit, cry and stay how it is" almost implies than anybody picking this option is wrong by default or only supports it out of some malicious will to see other players suffer bad RNG.

Could have just written:
"No, it's fine how it is."

You got biased about it by turning that option into something more... "malicious" by driveling on about crying and such. You tried to swing the poll results with how you wrote out the answers. Have seen it 1000s of times before. Biased poll because you need validation more than an actual discussion. You even exemplify as much by ignoring 99% of my message to focus on me perceiving your poll as bias.

EölMPK

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BaneOfBattler wrote: »

The solution is simple and enjoyable and self improving; make multiple 50's i got 8 over the years and i got every armor set in every possible combination with the traits i usually use in less than a year. I even got the dlc ones. Just doing them occasionally.

The problem is not the chance or the rng.

Do something about it.

Sorry but I dont have free time for that, I want to play other games and have family and work.

EölMPK

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lagrue wrote: »

Grunge wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Grunge wrote: »

Hey guys, as the title says, any suggestions for improving this rng grind? I'm farming my skeleton pirate shoulders for weeks now, I got almost every other monster shoulder from Redbeard's chest and nothing
What do you think?

I mean you wrote it biasedly in your poll options but honestly it's fine as it is imo.

How can it be biased, if I gave 2 different options that came to mind, an option to stay as it is, and an option to write your own idea? :P

It's biased because of "sit, cry and stay how it is" almost implies than anybody picking this option is wrong by default or only supports it out of some malicious will to see other players suffer bad RNG.

Could have just written:
"No, it's fine how it is."

You got biased about it by turning that option into something more... "malicious" by driveling on about crying and such. You tried to swing the poll results with how you wrote out the answers. Have seen it 1000s of times before. Biased poll because you need validation more than an actual discussion. You even exemplify as much by ignoring 99% of my message to focus on me perceiving your poll as bias.

Oh I can see that, language issue cause english is not my native, my native is not that literal and if you use a little fun with people dont think its bias.
I read your post yeah, but Im against rng at all so I didnt comment that part.

Dubhliam

Sit, cry and stay as it is

Weeks?

How many weeks are you farming exactly?
Around three?

Three weeks, 6 keys per day...

YOU DIDN'T GET A SINGLE SHOULDER FROM 126 KEYS??!!!
Gosh, you really must be the unluckiest guy in ESO.

Grunge wrote: »

Sorry but I dont have free time for that, I want to play other games and have family and work.

NVM.

EölMPK

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Dubhliam wrote: »

Weeks?

How many weeks are you farming exactly?
Around three?

Three weeks, 6 keys per day...

YOU DIDN'T GET A SINGLE SHOULDER FROM 126 KEYS??!!!
Gosh, you really must be the unluckiest guy in ESO.

Grunge wrote: »

Sorry but I dont have free time for that, I want to play other games and have family and work.

NVM.

Lol that too...
But Im not eso plus and dont have all dlcs, and cant make vdgs in a decent time, so at best 3 keys / day.