Feedback: ESO+ Subscription

Ranger74z

Happy to hear the idea that ZOS will survive just fine, with or without my sub.

And yeah I suppose it is true, I have spent a bit of cash on the crown store.

Xbox NA

LadyLethalla

lagrue wrote: »

LadyLethalla wrote: »

If you do unsubscribe and don't buy the DLCs separately, do you regain access if you re-sub? Or is that a once-off access-to-all?

You regain DLC Access on resub.

Any collectibles you earned so for example Bull Horns emote from Falkreath Keep, you keep regardless of Plus status.

Thanks for the confirmation. I always thought from how it was worded that once you unsubbed you lost access for good... as an incentive to not unsub and resub.

GrumpyDuckling

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

This is a good list and good feedback...

-If I can add from an xbox perspective

*Subscribing to ESO Plus unlike other platforms only allows a 30-day option with no discount for multiple month.s
-When we do subscribe, we often do not get crown even after 48 hours unless we create a ticket.

When creating a ticket (I've done this over 24 times) there is a requirement to seemingly argue your situation each time with support even tho they see the prior tickets.

how is it good feedback? most of it comes from lack of mmo experience, and entitlement.

you have better feedback, as those are legit problems. On ps4 i never experienced a delay in crowns.
that seems more like a microsoft issue then zenimax.

@Azuramoonstar

My feedback for ESO doesn't have to follow traditional mmo experiences. It's close minded of you think that it should, but if you need evidence then here:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited/the-elder-scrolls-online-MMORPG

And don't waste your time throwing around a word like "entitlement." It doesn't make sense nor apply here.

LifenLemons

KraziJoe wrote: »

The only thing that is really annoying me is that the game feels like it's becoming FASHION Scrolls Online and I expect Tim Gunn and Heidi Klum to appear as the Daedric King and Queen any day now...

Make it work XD

Ashtaris

It would be interesting to see how many of us would drop our subs IF ZOS didn’t have the craft bag? *Raises Hand* Most of the dungeon based DLC is too difficult for me to complete in Vet mode, and there is nothing interesting to get from them doing them in normal. Besides, they have had too much Dungeon based DLC lately and not enough base game fixes, QOL improvements, and other content.

Geekgirl

Ashtaris wrote: »

It would be interesting to see how many of us would drop our subs IF ZOS didn’t have the craft bag? *Raises Hand* Most of the dungeon based DLC is too difficult for me to complete in Vet mode, and there is nothing interesting to get from them doing them in normal. Besides, they have had too much Dungeon based DLC lately and not enough base game fixes, QOL improvements, and other content.

Kind of how I have been feeling.

I'm PC/NA and have kept getting the lag spikes, despite not encountering them anywhere else.

I do enjoy the craft bag, but from what I understand what is in the bag stays there and you can draw from it, so on plus weekends, that's when you load it up.

GrumpyDuckling

Ashtaris wrote: »

It would be interesting to see how many of us would drop our subs IF ZOS didn’t have the craft bag? *Raises Hand* Most of the dungeon based DLC is too difficult for me to complete in Vet mode, and there is nothing interesting to get from them doing them in normal. Besides, they have had too much Dungeon based DLC lately and not enough base game fixes, QOL improvements, and other content.

You make a great point about dungeon DLC. It's not really exciting. Getting ready to run dungeons in general often feels like more work than it is worth:

- repair armor
- travel to undaunted quest givers
- make sure you have food
- make sure you have soul gems
- make sure you have armor repair kits
- organize/wait for your team (or risk activity finder)
- make sure you put on PVE armor
- make sure you respec champion points (after PVP)
- change rotations to PVE rotations
- wait in queue (if using activity finder)
- find out that tank lied about role and either kick and wait, or try to endure

stitchesofdooom

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

1% - Feeble Move with Crafting Bag
This is a small percentage because I understand the business decision behind it, but I still think it’s a feeble move to have ESO+ offer an exclusive crafting bag that makes the game less annoying to play for subscribers (especially since one of the staples of TES series is item collection). I mean, a large part of my reason for the subscription was to pay for a “perk” that made the game less annoying to play. Am I paying for fun content? Eh... maybe? DLCs usually have easy overland content and bullet-sponge bosses. So... nope, I was for the most part paying to feel less annoyed.

Yup. More and more items added with each DLC, bag and bank caps and every 10 slots is more extortionate than the last. There's a word for that: "underhanded"

GrumpyDuckling

stitchesofdooom wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

1% - Feeble Move with Crafting Bag
This is a small percentage because I understand the business decision behind it, but I still think it’s a feeble move to have ESO+ offer an exclusive crafting bag that makes the game less annoying to play for subscribers (especially since one of the staples of TES series is item collection). I mean, a large part of my reason for the subscription was to pay for a “perk” that made the game less annoying to play. Am I paying for fun content? Eh... maybe? DLCs usually have easy overland content and bullet-sponge bosses. So... nope, I was for the most part paying to feel less annoyed.

Yup. More and more items added with each DLC, bag and bank caps and every 10 slots is more extortionate than the last. There's a word for that: "underhanded"

Look at the "hirelings" who send you stuff every 12 hours. Those hirelings are in game perks that you have to use skill points on, and they scream need for ESO+ crafting bag.

zaria

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Sounds like the real problem is that all the people complaining in this thread play on console. On pc I haven't encountered much in the way of performance issues other than the occasional infinite loading screen. Granted I don't pvp and I understand that pvp is extremely laggy during this event due to the extra people playing.

Same had some issues in pvp but just run a bit leveled two alts and a bit more, pve no issues. Not played so much last month because of perfect weather.
The invetory mini game was an large reason why I stopped playing ESO back one year after launch.

Samsgaard

I may be "Soul Shriven" because I just finally activated a forum account, but I bought the game at launch (two accounts!) and am several months into what will probably be another prolonged stint in the game.

Unless it's happened while I've been typing, no one in this thread has yet mentioned that ESO originally was entirely a subscription MMO. You had to buy the game (the client), AND you had to pay a monthly fee. That was just the price of admission; no perks included. That model turned some people off; yet as I recall, the launch was pretty successful. And quite a few people felt that ZOS promised that the game would always remain a subscription-based game, which they welcomed due to what they felt free-to-play models did to other MMOs.

So, there was something of a revolt when ESO dropped the subscription requirement. Some people felt betrayed and had very harsh words for ZOS. Personally, I didn't care so much, and I took a long break just to rejoin friends at my previous MMO. When I came back to ESO last year, I was delighted with ESO+, since I don't mind supporting further development of a game I'm playing, and I felt the benefits of ESO+ were worth the cost. After a second break, I'm back, and I still like the benefits.

Obviously, this game isn't perfect. I agree with some of the criticisms mentioned above. I could see why the issues might drive some people away from the game. (Though I could list many more serious issues, which contributed to my leaving the game once, that ZOS has since fixed spectacularly--or not fixed.)

But if you're hooked on the game and playing it a lot, I think ESO+ is a good deal. Indeed, I'm not sure the alternative (buying crowns for DLC and quality-of-life or fun goodies) would save much money, if any. I use the crowns on fluff I enjoy, I play most of the DLC, I level lots of toons, and I have lots of things to carry, store, or furnish houses with. So all those perks are good for me.

DaveMoeDee

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

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1% - Feeble Move with Crafting Bag
This is a small percentage because I understand the business decision behind it, but I still think it’s a feeble move to have ESO+ offer an exclusive crafting bag that makes the game less annoying to play for subscribers (especially since one of the staples of TES series is item collection). I mean, a large part of my reason for the subscription was to pay for a “perk” that made the game less annoying to play. Am I paying for fun content? Eh... maybe? DLCs usually have easy overland content and bullet-sponge bosses. So... nope, I was for the most part paying to feel less annoyed.

It is sad when they feel the need to purposefully frustrate players towards a sub. I will continue to sub when new story-based DLC drops because I love the game and have enjoyed all the narrative-based DLC quite a lot and I hate playing the game without the inventory management buffs. But I feel a bit dirty supporting that model, even thoughI end up with a better deal than I would with a mandatory sub since I can still log on to collect daily rewards when not on ESO+ and do things that won't quickly fill my inventory.

AndyMac

I'm on PC- NA and the performance has definitely suffered since Summerset dropped - the game is very crashy atm. ZOS continues to make stupid decisions with game play - Exhibit A: rune cage .

Despite that I'll continue to subscribe - for less a pizza a month - I find the benefits are too good to pass up.

Maybe if enough people keep subscribing, we'll eventually finance some fixes.

Maybe not