What makes someone a "zergling" in your opinion?

Lexxypwns

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

wiki already has this one covered

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Zerglings move in large groups, ranging from a dozen to a hundred. Zerglings can act as "meat shields" for more powerful organised groups, but can also overwhelm their foes through sheer weight of numbers. Individually, zerglings are of little threat. They can also work together in large groups under the command of pug whisperers.

Pretty darn accurate description. Only issue is that most high ranking high CP players don't realize they've never progressed past this category.

@Joshlenoir that’s because they don’t want to learn. There’s even small scale players that fit that description and you can tell because even though their group sizes are smaller they choose to engage in easy fights and never pursue tough ones.

I think the best description of zergling after reading this thread though is: anyone in here getting butt hurt about your question.

rimmidimdim

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

wiki already has this one covered

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Zerglings move in large groups, ranging from a dozen to a hundred. Zerglings can act as "meat shields" for more powerful organised groups, but can also overwhelm their foes through sheer weight of numbers. Individually, zerglings are of little threat. They can also work together in large groups under the command of pug whisperers.

Pretty darn accurate description. Only issue is that most high ranking high CP players don't realize they've never progressed past this category.

It is a pretty darn good explanation. I don't get this high CP talk. Most people with high CP gained what, 90% of thier cp from pve. I'm sure that there are some pvp players that have received most CP from pvp but few and far between. I agree that seeing a high CP player does not mean he is good. But it is usually because he/she played more pve and then gets called a zergling by elite pvpers and then he quits pvp untill maybe mayham comes again. It's a vicious circle of smugness. Smug cloud is thick in this thread. I say support these crappy players with high CP by inviting them into small groups and show the fun of it so they will enjoy pvp and get better at it. Cheers.

dtsharples

Joshlenoir wrote: »

dtsharples wrote: »

-Still nothing wrong with Sloads or Zaan. If you can't counter them that is your responsibility. I don't run either, and I have never died to either so far.

You probably think they're okay and never die to them because of the sheer amount of people you're surrounded with constantly in PvP (whether you're grouped or not.)

dtsharples wrote: »

I'm a Zergling.

I'm starting to see a connection

dtsharples wrote: »

I do my 1 v 1 fights in PVE - it's called a Duel.

If you think sloads and zaans is okay and completely balanced and you've "never died to them yet" that's a dead give away that you've never actually spent more than an hour dueling people in this game that know what they're doing

Another PVP 'Master' who can't cope with Zaan and Sloads XD
Really you guys should set up some sort of support group its getting pretty depressing.
Adapt, stop being so stuck in your 2017 build and make some changes.
I don't die to Zaan or Sloads in a duel because I'm not stupid and I understand how they work!
FML you need lessons?

dtsharples

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

wiki already has this one covered

some creating editing was used.

Zerglings move in large groups, ranging from a dozen to a hundred. Zerglings can act as "meat shields" for more powerful organised groups, but can also overwhelm their foes through sheer weight of numbers. Individually, zerglings are of little threat. They can also work together in large groups under the command of pug whisperers.

Pretty darn accurate description. Only issue is that most high ranking high CP players don't realize they've never progressed past this category.

@Joshlenoir that’s because they don’t want to learn. There’s even small scale players that fit that description and you can tell because even though their group sizes are smaller they choose to engage in easy fights and never pursue tough ones.

I think the best description of zergling after reading this thread though is: anyone in here getting butt hurt about your question.

And yet he deleted his WHOLE F QUESTION XD

SilverWF

"What makes someone a "zergling" in your opinion?"
If number of attackers at least in 2 times more than defenders
So, 3 vs 1, 5 vs 2, 20 vs 6 etc

usmguy1234

Someone that won't attack you unless they outnumber you and disappear as soon as the numbers shlift out of their favor.

frozywozy

I consider a zergling, anybody who :

- Will pursue an outnumbered oponent or heavily outnumbered group of people for the only purpose of killing
- Will run in a group of 20+ players and/or stack with other guilds on purpose
- Will zerg surf on top of their faction

This being said, I have never understood the point of small scalers trying to fight outnumbered. They claim that this is the correct way to play while blaming the people they're fighting for being zerglings and bads, especially when they die by them.

Their conversations are usually very toxic, salty and constantly addressing and insulting their enemies. While I understand their frustration, I believe that openworld fights will always get you zerged down at some point. It is something that you have to deal with and it is also your choice to decide how many players you wanna group with to counter the zerglings.

I personally believe that 12-16 players can do very well in openworld pvp against larger numbers and the conversations are way less negative, aggravating and salty than what I have witness in any 1vX streams or small groups trying to compete in Cyrodiil. I believe that introducing larger battlegrounds would make alot of people very happy aswell (8v8 - 12v12 - 16v16).

dtsharples

There was a duelling guild set up a while back, not sure if they still exist.
Maybe see if you can track down any info on that and if they are still in action.

Moltyr

I've been told by AD/DC players that a zerg is a group of 5 players or more. Usually right before they faction stack to take an EP home keep while still losing the campaign.

For me personally, I think a zerg is one of the generic PvP guilds (or zone formed) who just stack bodies in a group (or multiple groups) with little or no skill involved. They are usually easily farmed by a medium size group (12-15 players).

Pain In The Axe

players who run back to their 10+ man group after you hit them once, i love it when they sway off their crown and die instantly then send 20+ to come kill you with steel tornado as single target

Lexxypwns

In Vivec AD Xbox NA zone chat today “There were only 30 of us defending against every red on the server, if we had another dozen or two we would have won”

Kikke

Personaly when I think about a zergling.

A person that jumps into Cyro without any other goal than to farm AP. They either type "lfg" in zone chat, or promptly teleport too the keep closest too the action. Once by the action they go in mindlessly aiming for a few kill here and there, always staying close to the massive ocean of their own faction. They get a few kills, then they get killed, Quickly respawn and runs in again for a repeat. They keep doing this until their team gets pushed too a keep, or their team pushes the enemy into their keep. Then comes the epicenter of this story, the moment a small organized group shows up. They all die.

And that is who I think of when I call someone a Zergling.

Lexxypwns

Another real zone chat quote “Lone red inside Alessia w/ seige, need a couple of people to help me”

Kikke

dtsharples wrote: »

The only reason 8 12 16 guilds exists, is to eat up smaller groups.
You never see a 12 v 12 group, because they aren't there to fight equally

It's so weird then the times I see 8 people from one guild, charge into, and destroying around 30+ zergbads.

Playing organized is not the same as zerging.

IxSTALKERxI

Zerging is when you have more players than are necessary to complete a task. Due to the nature of open world AvA it's impossible not to zerg at some point or another as the number of players required to complete each task / fight is constantly changing from fight to fight. Best thing to do is just accept that it is part of the game and learn to live with it.

Koensol

People who play EP and AD.

UnseenCat

Watched a ridiculous bit of zerging/farming last night... EP zerged Alessia, with a scroll inside to re-capture. But the zerg didn't even go for the flag to flip the keep -- just kept running up and down the stairs to farm AP as players ran in to defend.

Just take the keep/grab the scroll already! But no, the zerg just camped in the center of the castle, on the stairs, not even really attempting to take the keep. Annoying, more than anything else. Good for farming AP during the event, and nothing more.

Feanor

To me it's about outnumbering solo players (or go with a full raid after some players) on purpose because you can't win the fight (or as easily) otherwise. Bonus points for crutching on cheese and teabagging after a Xv1.

diskiukas

Anyone who is not me

pzschrek

usmcjdking

A zergling is someone who does nothing more than to ruin others gaming sessions.

Let me be clear, I don't mind dying. I'll dive straight into ball groups 1v20 without a care in the world, jump into excellent small scale groups and get stomped, pick out targets whom are better players than me on gimped builds. Dying excessively doesn't bother me. I'm also not one for kiting/running and prefer to fight my way out of most situations or die and respawn instead of wasting time rockhumping.

Someone who intentionally looks for incredibly unfair fights to make them more unfair is a zergling. That was the whole premise of zerging - rush your opponent fast and early before they could even respond with anything meaningful. Whilst its still sort of a misnomer (antigaming piece of *** is a more relevant term), the term still holds some weight. Great for winning, not great for me to remain PVPing in the current session. Sure, I'm just one person but if you zerglings keep on with the attitude it'll grow to 2 people, 4, 8. 16...256. You get the point.

Mr_Snuggle

An unwillingness to put up with the steep initial learning curve that involves frequent defeat by better players and the premature conclusion that this game simply isn't meant to be played solo or in small groups.

The Zergling maximizes their immediate game enjoyment by reducing the number of times they die.
This is achieved by grouping up with as many other players as possible, stacking on Crown, synchronized walks through doors..

To quote a recent 30 man ball group in IC that gladly engaged our 3 man group:

"We aren't zerging. This is a multi-player game, you know?
If ZoS didn't want us to do this, they would have put a player cap in place for IC".

CatchMeTrolling

rimmidimdim wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

wiki already has this one covered

some creating editing was used.

Zerglings move in large groups, ranging from a dozen to a hundred. Zerglings can act as "meat shields" for more powerful organised groups, but can also overwhelm their foes through sheer weight of numbers. Individually, zerglings are of little threat. They can also work together in large groups under the command of pug whisperers.

Pretty darn accurate description. Only issue is that most high ranking high CP players don't realize they've never progressed past this category.

It is a pretty darn good explanation. I don't get this high CP talk. Most people with high CP gained what, 90% of thier cp from pve. I'm sure that there are some pvp players that have received most CP from pvp but few and far between. I agree that seeing a high CP player does not mean he is good. But it is usually because he/she played more pve and then gets called a zergling by elite pvpers and then he quits pvp untill maybe mayham comes again. It's a vicious circle of smugness. Smug cloud is thick in this thread. I say support these crappy players with high CP by inviting them into small groups and show the fun of it so they will enjoy pvp and get better at it. Cheers.

Not the majority but I leveled TWO accounts by predominantly playing pvp. It’s funny that people assume you know how to pvp with high cp, it’s also funny when people think you’re a noob because of low cp. Makes for interesting moments.

SirPaws

I'm not really sure, and am worried I might fit this Zergling category. I'm quite new to pvp, I've learned a lot about the game since last year's Midyear Mayhem, and decided to really try for the title this year.

So I sort of dived headfirst into Cyrodiil with my healer build knowing that I'd be unlikely to excel at duelling or surviving long. Indeed, simply doing solo quests near Cropsford and similar stuff while riding/exploring has proven that I often get ambushed by a larger group and death is pretty much certain. That's fair, sometimes I can take one down with me, often I barely get time to counter. That's just par for the course, you know?

But I sort of know that the character's strengths are in support, so I've found it quite fun and fulfilling to help out with healing, resurrecting, and laying siege or defending when I see it happen. I'll happily follow a group riding to a keep under siege, and once there do my best to keep everyone alive. The likelihood is then that I'll stay with that group for many hours from one battle to the next.

I did manage to get the title in the end, but am wondering if itinerant support characters laying down heals, AoE's, shards, and buffs naturally qualify as a Zergling
If that's the case, would it be more legitimate to ask if I can join the group? To me, either way is the same - we share the same objective for the Faction.

Joshlenoir

SirPaws wrote: »

I'm not really sure, and am worried I might fit this Zergling category. I'm quite new to pvp, I've learned a lot about the game since last year's Midyear Mayhem, and decided to really try for the title this year.

So I sort of dived headfirst into Cyrodiil with my healer build knowing that I'd be unlikely to excel at duelling or surviving long. Indeed, simply doing solo quests near Cropsford and similar stuff while riding/exploring has proven that I often get ambushed by a larger group and death is pretty much certain. That's fair, sometimes I can take one down with me, often I barely get time to counter. That's just par for the course, you know?

But I sort of know that the character's strengths are in support, so I've found it quite fun and fulfilling to help out with healing, resurrecting, and laying siege or defending when I see it happen. I'll happily follow a group riding to a keep under siege, and once there do my best to keep everyone alive. The likelihood is then that I'll stay with that group for many hours from one battle to the next.

I did manage to get the title in the end, but am wondering if itinerant support characters laying down heals, AoE's, shards, and buffs naturally qualify as a Zergling
If that's the case, would it be more legitimate to ask if I can join the group? To me, either way is the same - we share the same objective for the Faction.

I'll save you the time- yes, you're probably (definitely) a zergling.
But that's not a bad thing in this case. You're new to the game and need to learn the absolute basics of PvP.

Biro123

Yup, nothing wrong with it at all. It's how the game was meant to be played. Ignore the leet small-scalers who will try to tell you otherwise.

Adzer2

At what point does a group become a zerg, is there a specific number?

Mr_Snuggle

Adzer2 wrote: »

At what point does a group become a zerg, is there a specific number?

I believe the derogatory undertone associated with "Zerg" mostly relates to the size difference between the two opposing forces.

By itself, you wouldn't necessarily call a 10 person group a zerg.
However, if that 10 person group operates in a remote area and purposely singles out lone players, repeatedly stomping them into the ground and then proceeds with spawn camping, I'd wager that most people would refer to "having been zerged".

zyk

Biro123 wrote: »

Yup, nothing wrong with it at all. It's how the game was meant to be played. Ignore the leet small-scalers who will try to tell you otherwise.

It's a way the game was meant to be played. Cyrodiil was designed with solo and small scale play in mind too.

The key here is respect for other people who enjoy the game differently. Small scalers who use this insult are as ignorant as the less learned players who baselessly accuse decent players of cheating.

montiferus

Not sure what classifies someone as a zergling but I would go out on a limb and say everyone in this video would fit my idea of what a zergling is (not the 2 DC of course)

https://youtu.be/JaaKwk8r9C0