Optimizing Mitigation [Calculator]

idk

paulsimonps wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I have to ask why?

Why would a tank want equal physical and spell resistance?

If we are talking high end trial tanking, which iirc most top tanks have not built for the resistance cap in 2 years, having equal resistance would mean not being optimized for the content.

Point being, if a tank wanted to be optimized for the content (s)he will make changes based on the trial and resistance would change for the expected damage, especially the higher damage that cannot be avoided.

So just asking.

@idk
Because I do not want to constantly be changing, I never have, nor will I. And from the response I have been getting on this thread and other place many agree with me. A lot of people keep saying that as a end game player you need to swap all of your stuff for every encounter or trial, but it seems a lot less people actually do it than we are supposedly lead to believe.

For example I want to be able to do vAA and vHRC back to back without having to change anything. I want to be able to go into vHoF and be protected against both all the physical damage but also the shock damage. As well, in PvP you never know what to expect, you can be facing whatever, or all at the same time. This is more than just tanking at this point, and will be more widespread as I go along building it.

I expect a lot would like one build for everything but again I am really talking about top tanks, not the masses. Based on your posts I have taken it you are a very experienced tank and as such just figured you would be running with one of the top raid groups on whichever server you are on. I have never heard any worrying about resistance to much. They tend to wear what they raid leader desires.

But hey, more power to you. Good luck.

paulsimonps

idk wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I have to ask why?

Why would a tank want equal physical and spell resistance?

If we are talking high end trial tanking, which iirc most top tanks have not built for the resistance cap in 2 years, having equal resistance would mean not being optimized for the content.

Point being, if a tank wanted to be optimized for the content (s)he will make changes based on the trial and resistance would change for the expected damage, especially the higher damage that cannot be avoided.

So just asking.

@idk
Because I do not want to constantly be changing, I never have, nor will I. And from the response I have been getting on this thread and other place many agree with me. A lot of people keep saying that as a end game player you need to swap all of your stuff for every encounter or trial, but it seems a lot less people actually do it than we are supposedly lead to believe.

For example I want to be able to do vAA and vHRC back to back without having to change anything. I want to be able to go into vHoF and be protected against both all the physical damage but also the shock damage. As well, in PvP you never know what to expect, you can be facing whatever, or all at the same time. This is more than just tanking at this point, and will be more widespread as I go along building it.

I expect a lot would like one build for everything but again I am really talking about top tanks, not the masses. Based on your posts I have taken it you are a very experienced tank and as such just figured you would be running with one of the top raid groups on whichever server you are on. I have never heard any worrying about resistance to much. They tend to wear what they raid leader desires.

But hey, more power to you. Good luck.

I never said I wanted only resistance to be the same, and I am not putting that much weight on resistance nor am I looking to get to the cap, I intent to maximize mitigation across as many types of damage sources as I can.

Sordidfairytale

paulsimonps wrote: »

...I want to be able to go into vHoF and be protected against both all the physical damage but also the shock damage...

I realize you just said you wouldn't want to swap stuff out constantly however would you consider/recommend running Bahraha's curse in vHoF for the trap damage?

paulsimonps

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

...I want to be able to go into vHoF and be protected against both all the physical damage but also the shock damage...

I realize you just said you wouldn't want to swap stuff out constantly however would you consider/recommend running Bahraha's curse in vHoF for the trap damage?

Even through the mobs and trap sections I would rather have other sets for mitigation against the mobs rather than the traps. The Traps are not that big of a problem in my opinion.

Skullstachio

paulsimonps wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

...I want to be able to go into vHoF and be protected against both all the physical damage but also the shock damage...

I realize you just said you wouldn't want to swap stuff out constantly however would you consider/recommend running Bahraha's curse in vHoF for the trap damage?

Even through the mobs and trap sections I would rather have other sets for mitigation against the mobs rather than the traps. The Traps are not that big of a problem in my opinion.

Did you count the environmental traps in some of the maelstrom arena rooms.

Yakidafi

Are you considering adding the jewlry enchantments for resistances?

paulsimonps

Yakidafi wrote: »

Are you considering adding the jewlry enchantments for resistances?

I am gonna include that when I get to it yes. Though since I am currently lacking Summerset I will have to look for alternative ways to get all the values. Need not only the values of the enchantments in different qualities but how strong they are with different quality Infused as well as the resistance trait in its different qualities.

And I know, sucks I don't have summer set, but money is tight atm so will have to wait a bit longer still on that.

paulsimonps

Alpha-Lupi wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

...I want to be able to go into vHoF and be protected against both all the physical damage but also the shock damage...

I realize you just said you wouldn't want to swap stuff out constantly however would you consider/recommend running Bahraha's curse in vHoF for the trap damage?

Even through the mobs and trap sections I would rather have other sets for mitigation against the mobs rather than the traps. The Traps are not that big of a problem in my opinion.

Did you count the environmental traps in some of the maelstrom arena rooms.

No, but this question was specifically aimed at Halls of Fabrication. Never bothered with Baharas but if I were to add it in it would be much later.

Sordidfairytale

paulsimonps wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Are you considering adding the jewlry enchantments for resistances?

I am gonna include that when I get to it yes. Though since I am currently lacking Summerset I will have to look for alternative ways to get all the values. Need not only the values of the enchantments in different qualities but how strong they are with different quality Infused as well as the resistance trait in its different qualities.

And I know, sucks I don't have summer set, but money is tight atm so will have to wait a bit longer still on that.

If someone were to provide the information to you, would you want combat metrics parses? Another format? I can't do maths that well, but I can craft on the PTS and then have one account deal damage to the other account.

The question about Bahraha's was only a matter of curiosity, I didn't intend for it to seem like a request to include it in the calculator.

paulsimonps

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Are you considering adding the jewlry enchantments for resistances?

I am gonna include that when I get to it yes. Though since I am currently lacking Summerset I will have to look for alternative ways to get all the values. Need not only the values of the enchantments in different qualities but how strong they are with different quality Infused as well as the resistance trait in its different qualities.

And I know, sucks I don't have summer set, but money is tight atm so will have to wait a bit longer still on that.

If someone were to provide the information to you, would you want combat metrics parses? Another format? I can't do maths that well, but I can craft on the PTS and then have one account deal damage to the other account.

The question about Bahraha's was only a matter of curiosity, I didn't intend for it to seem like a request to include it in the calculator.

Well basically what I need is a spread sheet with all the different variations of the enchantments and traits and their respective combinations. Which is a lot of data. I only count with CP160 items but I am wanting to include every thing from Normal up to Legendary.

So its the values of all the CP 160 resistance enchantments on their own and then how much stronger they get with everything from a white ranked ring to a gold one, and same with the resistance trait. But I am not gonna ask anyone to do it, not expecting anyone to do it, its a lot of work and don't want to seem like I am pawning off burdens

And I did not see your question as a request, more about what Alpha Lupi wrote.

Yakidafi

cp160
protective trait

protective
white 1624 resistance
green 1684 resistance
blue 1744 resistance
purple 1784 resistance
gold 1844 resistance

spell/phys glyph

normal spell/phys
white 713
green 744
blue 805
purple 856
gold 927

infused spell/phys prot white 24%
white 884
green 922
blue 998
purple 1061
gold 1149

infused spell/phys prot green 33%
white 948
green 989
blue 1070
purple 1138
gold 1232

infused spell/phys prot blue 42%
white 1012
green 1056
blue 1143
purple 1215
gold 1316

infused spell/phys prot purple 51%
white 1076
green 1123
blue 1215
purple 1292
gold 1399

infused spell/phys prot gold 60%
white 1140
green 1190
blue 1288
purple 1369
gold 1483

elemental res glyph

normal elemental
white 2708
green 2857
blue 3095
purple 3250
gold 3520

infused elemtal prot white 24%
white 3357
green 3542
blue 3837
purple 4030
gold 4364

infused elemtal prot green 33%
white 3601
green 3799
blue 4116
purple 4322
gold 4681

infused elemtal prot purple blue 42%
white 3845
green 4056
blue 4394
purple 4615
gold 4998

infused elemtal prot purple 51%
white 4089
green 4314
blue 4673
purple 4907
gold 5315

infused elemtal prot gold 60%
white 4332
green 4571
blue 4952
purple 5200
gold 5632

paulsimonps

@Yakidafi

You are fricking awesome, not only did you make me the list of exactly what I needed to add Jewelry and Enchantments into the calculator you went out of your way and bought me Summerset. I cannot thank you enough for that. I really want to thank you for this amazing gift and I will use it well to continue working on this and other things to help the community as I do, theory crafting and such.

It really blew me away this morning when I saw the gift. I guess this is how some youtubers feel like when they start out and stuff

Thank you and everyone else that supports my projects. Hope that in time I can do some more stuff like this. But obviously need to finish this one. This has surely given me more energy and motivation to finish it.

paulsimonps

https://jscalc.io/calc/3OJGVPl8vmhIsek3

OK! Finally an update, I have now added Jewelry and Enchantments, all of it, into the calculator. I am not done with Armor yet so if you click on the armor piece options nothing will happen. But it will soon, just got to get my spread sheet done of all the armor resistance values of each piece on each type, with or without reinforced. Nirnhoned is easier cause its a set value based on the quality. Either way. I will finish the Armor thing next, then add weapons for its traits as well as shields. Once I am done with that I will have think of what to add next. Suggestions are welcomed.

Will also put the newest one in the OP as always. Also gonna edit Title to better reflect what this has become.

Tasear

Wish I could give more insight, but this looks well done.

Minno

paulsimonps wrote: »

https://jscalc.io/calc/3OJGVPl8vmhIsek3

OK! Finally an update, I have now added Jewelry and Enchantments, all of it, into the calculator. I am not done with Armor yet so if you click on the armor piece options nothing will happen. But it will soon, just got to get my spread sheet done of all the armor resistance values of each piece on each type, with or without reinforced. Nirnhoned is easier cause its a set value based on the quality. Either way. I will finish the Armor thing next, then add weapons for its traits as well as shields. Once I am done with that I will have think of what to add next. Suggestions are welcomed.

Will also put the newest one in the OP as always. Also gonna edit Title to better reflect what this has become.

found a little bug.

Turning on empowering sweeps turns off all the percentages in the table on the right.

paulsimonps

@Minno

thanks man, was missing an "s" somewhere. Here is updated version with said "s"

https://jscalc.io/calc/3OJGVPl8vmhIsek3

Minno

paulsimonps wrote: »

@Minno

thanks man, was missing an "s" somewhere. Here is updated version with said "s"

https://jscalc.io/calc/3OJGVPl8vmhIsek3

That looks like it worked!

Thanks!

aeowulf

this is amazing, thanks for all the work you're doing

aeowulf

@paulsimonps


Ironclad 19% is 51cp not 52cp - not sure if thick skin is too but logic would dictate it was.

Someone also asked if mitigation was rounded or not. Fighting a mudcrab, each consecutive point in heavy armour focus reduced the damage taken by 1 (tested with 4 points in a row) From that I'd say it wasn't rounded.

And using this tool, made me realise how efficient quick recovery actually is, especially when you consider it 'works' for any time of damage.

paulsimonps

aeowulf wrote: »

@paulsimonps


Ironclad 19% is 51cp not 52cp - not sure if thick skin is too but logic would dictate it was.

Someone also asked if mitigation was rounded or not. Fighting a mudcrab, each consecutive point in heavy armour focus reduced the damage taken by 1 (tested with 4 points in a row) From that I'd say it wasn't rounded.

And using this tool, made me realise how efficient quick recovery actually is, especially when you consider it 'works' for any time of damage.

@aeowulf
Sadly it's not 51p tested it myself very recently. In short, it lies, it's not the only whole percent that doesn't actually give what it says, but it is the most obvious when tested.

aeowulf

paulsimonps wrote: »

aeowulf wrote: »

@paulsimonps


Ironclad 19% is 51cp not 52cp - not sure if thick skin is too but logic would dictate it was.

Someone also asked if mitigation was rounded or not. Fighting a mudcrab, each consecutive point in heavy armour focus reduced the damage taken by 1 (tested with 4 points in a row) From that I'd say it wasn't rounded.

And using this tool, made me realise how efficient quick recovery actually is, especially when you consider it 'works' for any time of damage.

@aeowulf
Sadly it's not 51p tested it myself very recently. In short, it lies, it's not the only whole percent that doesn't actually give what it says, but it is the most obvious when tested.

wow Thanks for the info. It's a very learning game! what are the others? anything that ends exactly in .00?

paulsimonps

aeowulf wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

aeowulf wrote: »

@paulsimonps


Ironclad 19% is 51cp not 52cp - not sure if thick skin is too but logic would dictate it was.

Someone also asked if mitigation was rounded or not. Fighting a mudcrab, each consecutive point in heavy armour focus reduced the damage taken by 1 (tested with 4 points in a row) From that I'd say it wasn't rounded.

And using this tool, made me realise how efficient quick recovery actually is, especially when you consider it 'works' for any time of damage.

@aeowulf
Sadly it's not 51p tested it myself very recently. In short, it lies, it's not the only whole percent that doesn't actually give what it says, but it is the most obvious when tested.

wow Thanks for the info. It's a very learning game! what are the others? anything that ends exactly in .00?

Don't remember them all but some work some don't and most of them were low number percentages that 99 percent of people skip anyway