[Class Reps] Meeting Notes - July 20

Amdar_Godkiller

testd4n1 wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Too insane to be real life:

"Nightblades say the answer is not a nerf. Suggest they buff sorc instead"


LOL

Yeah because if any class needs to be buffed to be brought in line with NB capablities, its the God-Mode, kill-stealing fricking 17K light attack Mag Sorcs!


LMAO!

You just can't make this sh*t up!

Just the skillset required to pull off the dps people complain about warrants the extra dps NB have in my opinion. For both mag and stam.

Then why suggest buffing sorc, since the skillset required for that class warrants a damage output in PVE thats far below all other classes.

The point is not that NBs should or shouldn't be top DPS, but that Sorc objectively and decisively should not sniff the top 5

But if we are going into the skillset required, at least for stam blade it's far below that which is required for stam warden. laughably so even since ZOS put baby training wheels on merciless resolve a few patches ago. They aren't much tougher than the other three stam classes in truth.

Savos_Saren

Just call this game Nightblades and Sorcs online. The two classes that complained the most about Sloads (because it pulls NBs out of stealth and goes through Sorc shields) is also the two classes that uses Sloads the most.

Yet Templars and DKs are just sitting here wondering what we're going to craft today.

brandon.2023b14_ESO

I think sorc pets should be addressed. I noticed way back before 1.6 that many sorcs weren't using pets because they deemed them useless. I went out of my way to make a pet build that worked. Between using magnus and seducer I had a pet build that in pve I could solo vet 11 content at vet 1, and for pvp I could 1v1 all day and not lose and even 1v3 and not lose. But after 1.6 which was supposed to "buff pets" based on player feedback, it ultimately nerfed them. I at that time decided to stop playing because something that was already viable if given the right treatment got nerfed to the point that pets became more useless than when people were initially crying about how weak they were.

Now I've seen that in summer set people are saying pets (mostly volatile familiar) are OP. I have yet to see this on the new sorc I'm working on. I think pets need something along the lines of more pet options to begin with, not having to double bar them, or making the morphs more useful. If I'm a solo player the clanfear should have a taunt for pve...for pvp it could be a cc with its tail swipe. The flying one can be the healer like it was prior to 1.6 and dont make the heal OP. It could be a once every 30 seconds heals you for 3% max life or something and otherwise does low damage but fast ranged attacks to its target. Use of the shields that covers pets as well was a great way to utilize them. They dont need to be OP in damage so mush as they need a buff to their health or resistances. They need to be something a solo player can utilize and a social player can bring to a group and the group not be disappointed that a sorc is using pets. I personally feel like playing as a summoner doesn't feel like a summoner because we only have two actual pets and then if utilized the atronach. I feel like a summoner should have a few more pet options to choose from and maybe cap it where only 2 or 3 pets can be active at a time. Maybe have them provide a synergy for the group that's a dmg buff or regeneration buff or something. Considering champion points are a way to lvl your character past 50 maybe add some abilities to all the classes skill lines and allow skill lines to go up another 10 lvls or so to provide a means of acquiring the new skills.

Low key off topic, I want the next class to be introduced to be a necromancer.

John_Falstaff

@brandon.2023b14_ESO , I think they've already tried. Whole Undaunted skill like looks like they were intending to introduce necromancy skill line at some point (bone shield, necrotic orb, blood altar), but then it all was scraped in a hurry and replaced in the last minute with Undaunted. Mettle is a perfect example of a passive that comes to mind when release is tomorrow, it's evening and you urgently have to come up with something, even if it's some silly dare that makes you wear a motley mix of armor types.

And then it becomes meta. That's ESO game design in a nutshell.

Mureel

Katahdin wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

• Having a trial or dungeon mechanics favor being in melee would be a welcome change

Variety is the key here not favoritism and bias toward one spec.
ALL trials should be designed for a mixed group of DPS characters.

They should not favor either magicka or stamina

And Stamina needs to be changed to allow for some group utility and high ranged damage so that they can adapt to the situation at hand and not be pigeon holed into one role or another. Likewise magicka should be able to do melee damage if needed or they so choose.

BOTH magicka and stamina characters should be able to complete ANY and EVERY trial, dungeon or whatever in the game!!!

And DPS AND/OR SELF HEALS/SHIELDS SHOULD BE NERFED THEN so HEALERS are WELCOME in Every Aspect of the Game!

Mureel

Nothing at allll useful for healers as I can see. Not at all surprised. Nice to see them at least mention the dungeon issue though.

Tasear

Mureel wrote: »

Nothing at allll useful for healers as I can see. Not at all surprised. Nice to see them at least mention the dungeon issue though.

Battlegrounds as seen it wolf Hunter patch notes counts more for healing medals.

Beardimus

Liofa wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Curious to hear from reps. Do you feel listened to?

I trust in the program, and the Individuals, but frankly the mess ZOS have made with cage & sorc alone makes me wonder what Impact the reps have. Either to changes or communication out of ZOS

Feels that forum 'noise' still gets the most impact to changes.

It's kind of a difficult question to answer. The things that are changing are all in the list of concerns we shared so I feel really good about that. This is the good part.

The only bad part is, especially as a PvE player, PvE didn't get any changes in terms of class balance. In a community where anything but Nightblade DPS is considered a meme, it's a bit difficult and saddening to see not much being done about it. Nightblades even got a slight buff since the enchantment changes benefit light attack users more than others. Nightblade DPS have amazing sustain and can hold a light attack rotation until the end of times while other classes have to heavy attack once at least every second rotation. This way, they will have more benefit compared to other classes even though it is a small difference.

I personally accepted this patch as a PvP balance patch and will be waiting for PvE balance in the next one.

It is all about their time. I know that they didn't have enough time to look at PvE and PvP both. I really wish they did though. I don't want to see at least 7 nightblades in my raids; I want to tank competitive runs with a non DK and heal with a non Templar. Hopefully the next 3 months will show the messed up part of PvE with incredible achievements and scores all having same group composition and classes. Only these can push them into doing some necessary balance changes, even though there are more than enough examples to show this problem in the current patch such as vMoL HM 3rd platform nuke with 9 Nightblade DDs.

Overall, PvP side looking good except class identity issues (Stamina Sorcerer and DK) and some classes being much weaker compared to others (Magicka Warden) while PvE is completely messed up for another 3 months.

So yeah, I have no definite answer to your question as a Class Rep who spends 90% of his time on PvE.

Thank you @Liofa I really appreciate your time to reply!

On a pvp front with cage nerfed into the ground it outs us back into Reach meta, which MagBlades do better in most ways. Plus with the changes to the icon on revealing stealth sadly it feels like a real bias towards Blades in PvP this patch also. I'm unsure really what they are thinking.

Seriously appreciate your reply. Thank you.

Feanor

The CP/noCP divide is hurting PvP class balance also. I play noCP exclusively, and when people complain about shield stacking, I can only chuckle. Many problems - fancied or real - in PvP are CP exclusive problems (shield stacking, befoul and defiles, overpowered healing, stamina costs).

ZOS never really tried to solve that because it would mean balancing PvP for noCP first and adjust CP accordingly, while having to adjust PvE then too. I'd rather have the CP system scrapped entirely at this point.

As for PvE ZOS is in /shrug mode. Their vision is unclear. They never said what they want the classes to be, or how the content is meant. I don't think we'll see meaningful changes therefore.

Lark82

Battlegrounds as seen it wolf Hunter patch notes counts more for healing medals.[/quote]

Only in Deathmatch according to the patch notes..

Waffennacht

Wardens: The not feeling loved disgruntlement was communicated
Various small quality of life improvements were suggestions brought up by the players were brought up, including:
Short buffs like Bird of Prey need to be longer
Swarm projectile too slow, double cast feels like a punishment, not engaging or rewarding gameplay
People will ask for a viable frost mage playstyle until it can be done
Sustain is too limited. Either reduce costs of Fissure and other magicka skills or increase magicka returned by Betty Netch
Nature’s Grasp rubber bands you. Other morph should burst heal the caster as well. Both morphs should begin healing as the skill is cast, not once you arrive at the target
PvE magden would benefit greatly from sustain buffs.
Warden healer are mostly happy
It was brought up that sustain is strained for PvE DPS and PvP in general
Nature’s Grasp usability issues including rubber banding and healing not starting until you arrive at the ally, which is slow for quick reactionary play
The issue of a CC option was communicated, and ZOS indicated they are looking into it
Wardens need to bring something unique to the table for groups in general (health buff given by Warhorn, players may already have their resistance buffs active, etc)

Stupidly short; stupidly ignores most of the discord discussions, all other classes got way more attention;

Dunno why I came back to this thread, but this is absolutely the reason I have 0 faith in the rep program

Starlight_Knight

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wardens: The not feeling loved disgruntlement was communicated
Various small quality of life improvements were suggestions brought up by the players were brought up, including:
Short buffs like Bird of Prey need to be longer
Swarm projectile too slow, double cast feels like a punishment, not engaging or rewarding gameplay
People will ask for a viable frost mage playstyle until it can be done
Sustain is too limited. Either reduce costs of Fissure and other magicka skills or increase magicka returned by Betty Netch
Nature’s Grasp rubber bands you. Other morph should burst heal the caster as well. Both morphs should begin healing as the skill is cast, not once you arrive at the target
PvE magden would benefit greatly from sustain buffs.
Warden healer are mostly happy
It was brought up that sustain is strained for PvE DPS and PvP in general
Nature’s Grasp usability issues including rubber banding and healing not starting until you arrive at the ally, which is slow for quick reactionary play
The issue of a CC option was communicated, and ZOS indicated they are looking into it
Wardens need to bring something unique to the table for groups in general (health buff given by Warhorn, players may already have their resistance buffs active, etc)

Stupidly short; stupidly ignores most of the discord discussions, all other classes got way more attention;

Dunno why I came back to this thread, but this is absolutely the reason I have 0 faith in the rep program

I dont understand how none of these things have been sorted out yet, now we have to wait another stupid amount of time just to be deflated again, and probs have more nerfs.
This class has the potential to be great and balanced but as we're the minority we will always be treated as such.

Checkmath

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wardens: The not feeling loved disgruntlement was communicated
Various small quality of life improvements were suggestions brought up by the players were brought up, including:
Short buffs like Bird of Prey need to be longer
Swarm projectile too slow, double cast feels like a punishment, not engaging or rewarding gameplay
People will ask for a viable frost mage playstyle until it can be done
Sustain is too limited. Either reduce costs of Fissure and other magicka skills or increase magicka returned by Betty Netch
Nature’s Grasp rubber bands you. Other morph should burst heal the caster as well. Both morphs should begin healing as the skill is cast, not once you arrive at the target
PvE magden would benefit greatly from sustain buffs.
Warden healer are mostly happy
It was brought up that sustain is strained for PvE DPS and PvP in general
Nature’s Grasp usability issues including rubber banding and healing not starting until you arrive at the ally, which is slow for quick reactionary play
The issue of a CC option was communicated, and ZOS indicated they are looking into it
Wardens need to bring something unique to the table for groups in general (health buff given by Warhorn, players may already have their resistance buffs active, etc)

Stupidly short; stupidly ignores most of the discord discussions, all other classes got way more attention;

Dunno why I came back to this thread, but this is absolutely the reason I have 0 faith in the rep program

@Waffennacht

yesterday we discussed once again many of those things and the devs gave us insight, what they are looking at for the next update. For the warden they have in mind to work around following points:

- cc-abilities for pvp will be addressed
- abilities, which only are there for buffing up will be looked at (so skills like bird of prey and stuff, which only grants a single or two buffs and need to be casted frequently, without additional effects like damage or other benefits for losing a gcd
- more damage capabilities without having to slot the bear (for pve)
- a unique buff/support for a coordinated groups (pve and pvp)

points above will be looked at for update 20 and hopefully the devs already have figured out how to address them. also they have in mind more point concerning warden, which will take a bit longer to implement (so not coming with update 20). an example for that is the frost mage style.

WreckfulAbandon

The rune cage debacle was an epic fail. Over-buffed then gutted. Damage should have been removed, stun duration shortened, and range reduced to ~15-20m. Sorcs didn't need a roflstomp skill like summerset rune cage, just an instant where the opponent couldn't block or dodge our combo like they could for such a long time. Rune Cage being dodgeable puts sorcs back to square one where it's too easy to avoid the highly telegraphed combo. And you even went ahead and made defensive rune dodgeable too??? What's next, Hurricane no longer breaks Cloak?

NB's could already avoid msorc burst easily and they just got a golden ticket. But that's not all, they've gotten a lot of nice things lately. Shade buff. Oh and spectral bow stacks remain even after buff expires. They got a free pass from Sloads. But don't worry, Incap was "nerfed." All of this taken together is shameful from the NB's in the class rep program. NB's keep getting good things, and what do other classes get? Thanks for the Templar Rune buff I guess...

Frags will need a damage increase and the projectile needs to be faster if the plan is to make all sorc CC's dodgeable.

John_Falstaff

@Checkmath , that's definitely good news. Is there any word on what's in the works for dragonknights?

Checkmath

the new notes will be presented soon, so stay tuned and patient. i just gave those things about warden already in here, because of the little uproar;)
dont worry, the devs are looking into those things.

Mojomonkeyman

Checkmath wrote: »

the new notes will be presented soon, so stay tuned and patient. i just gave those things about warden already in here, because of the little uproar;)
dont worry, the devs are looking into those things.

Sounds promising, thanks for the heads up.

Beardimus

Feanor wrote: »

The CP/noCP divide is hurting PvP class balance also. I play noCP exclusively, and when people complain about shield stacking, I can only chuckle. Many problems - fancied or real - in PvP are CP exclusive problems (shield stacking, befoul and defiles, overpowered healing, stamina costs).

ZOS never really tried to solve that because it would mean balancing PvP for noCP first and adjust CP accordingly, while having to adjust PvE then too. I'd rather have the CP system scrapped entirely at this point.

As for PvE ZOS is in /shrug mode. Their vision is unclear. They never said what they want the classes to be, or how the content is meant. I don't think we'll see meaningful changes therefore.

I'm predominantly noCP too and hadn't thought about how that changes perception. Gd point.

Beardimus

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

The rune cage debacle was an epic fail. Over-buffed then gutted. Damage should have been removed, stun duration shortened, and range reduced to ~15-20m. Sorcs didn't need a roflstomp skill like summerset rune cage, just an instant where the opponent couldn't block or dodge our combo like they could for such a long time. Rune Cage being dodgeable puts sorcs back to square one where it's too easy to avoid the highly telegraphed combo. And you even went ahead and made defensive rune dodgeable too??? What's next, Hurricane no longer breaks Cloak?

NB's could already avoid msorc burst easily and they just got a golden ticket. But that's not all, they've gotten a lot of nice things lately. Shade buff. Oh and spectral bow stacks remain even after buff expires. They got a free pass from Sloads. But don't worry, Incap was "nerfed." All of this taken together is shameful from the NB's in the class rep program. NB's keep getting good things, and what do other classes get? Thanks for the Templar Rune buff I guess...

Frags will need a damage increase and the projectile needs to be faster if the plan is to make all sorc CC's dodgeable.

Agreed

Waffennacht

@Checkmath thank you for your response and I will be looking forward to the future.

DjMuscleboy02

I read the first 4 lines and my iq dropped so hard I began drooling on my keyboard

Volckodav

Beardimus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

The CP/noCP divide is hurting PvP class balance also. I play noCP exclusively, and when people complain about shield stacking, I can only chuckle. Many problems - fancied or real - in PvP are CP exclusive problems (shield stacking, befoul and defiles, overpowered healing, stamina costs).

I'm predominantly noCP too and hadn't thought about how that changes perception. Gd point.

Honestly, we should have CP only for PVE and leave the whole PVP no cp, it will be way better for balancing and healthier

testd4n1

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

The rune cage debacle was an epic fail. Over-buffed then gutted. Damage should have been removed, stun duration shortened, and range reduced to ~15-20m. Sorcs didn't need a roflstomp skill like summerset rune cage, just an instant where the opponent couldn't block or dodge our combo like they could for such a long time. Rune Cage being dodgeable puts sorcs back to square one where it's too easy to avoid the highly telegraphed combo. And you even went ahead and made defensive rune dodgeable too??? What's next, Hurricane no longer breaks Cloak?

NB's could already avoid msorc burst easily and they just got a golden ticket. But that's not all, they've gotten a lot of nice things lately. Shade buff. Oh and spectral bow stacks remain even after buff expires. They got a free pass from Sloads. But don't worry, Incap was "nerfed." All of this taken together is shameful from the NB's in the class rep program. NB's keep getting good things, and what do other classes get? Thanks for the Templar Rune buff I guess...

Frags will need a damage increase and the projectile needs to be faster if the plan is to make all sorc CC's dodgeable.

So much salt...

IAVITNI

Checkmath wrote: »

the new notes will be presented soon, so stay tuned and patient. i just gave those things about warden already in here, because of the little uproar;)
dont worry, the devs are looking into those things.

Good to hear.

Just want to remind everyone that the rep program began after most of the wolfhunter patch was already done so the effect was minimal. The last patch notes clearly indicate that the rep program had a very positive effect.

So good job to the reps and the haters need to lighten up.

Zardayne

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wardens: The not feeling loved disgruntlement was communicated
Various small quality of life improvements were suggestions brought up by the players were brought up, including:
Short buffs like Bird of Prey need to be longer
Swarm projectile too slow, double cast feels like a punishment, not engaging or rewarding gameplay
People will ask for a viable frost mage playstyle until it can be done
Sustain is too limited. Either reduce costs of Fissure and other magicka skills or increase magicka returned by Betty Netch
Nature’s Grasp rubber bands you. Other morph should burst heal the caster as well. Both morphs should begin healing as the skill is cast, not once you arrive at the target
PvE magden would benefit greatly from sustain buffs.
Warden healer are mostly happy
It was brought up that sustain is strained for PvE DPS and PvP in general
Nature’s Grasp usability issues including rubber banding and healing not starting until you arrive at the ally, which is slow for quick reactionary play
The issue of a CC option was communicated, and ZOS indicated they are looking into it
Wardens need to bring something unique to the table for groups in general (health buff given by Warhorn, players may already have their resistance buffs active, etc)

Stupidly short; stupidly ignores most of the discord discussions, all other classes got way more attention;

Dunno why I came back to this thread, but this is absolutely the reason I have 0 faith in the rep program

I felt the same way..

I'm hoping as @Checkmath said they are looking into other things. Hopefully I don't have to wait another year.

_Ahala_

Zardayne wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wardens: The not feeling loved disgruntlement was communicated
Various small quality of life improvements were suggestions brought up by the players were brought up, including:
Short buffs like Bird of Prey need to be longer
Swarm projectile too slow, double cast feels like a punishment, not engaging or rewarding gameplay
People will ask for a viable frost mage playstyle until it can be done
Sustain is too limited. Either reduce costs of Fissure and other magicka skills or increase magicka returned by Betty Netch
Nature’s Grasp rubber bands you. Other morph should burst heal the caster as well. Both morphs should begin healing as the skill is cast, not once you arrive at the target
PvE magden would benefit greatly from sustain buffs.
Warden healer are mostly happy
It was brought up that sustain is strained for PvE DPS and PvP in general
Nature’s Grasp usability issues including rubber banding and healing not starting until you arrive at the ally, which is slow for quick reactionary play
The issue of a CC option was communicated, and ZOS indicated they are looking into it
Wardens need to bring something unique to the table for groups in general (health buff given by Warhorn, players may already have their resistance buffs active, etc)

Stupidly short; stupidly ignores most of the discord discussions, all other classes got way more attention;

Dunno why I came back to this thread, but this is absolutely the reason I have 0 faith in the rep program

I felt the same way..

I'm hoping as @Checkmath said they are looking into other things. Hopefully I don't have to wait another year.

Also my concern...

But we should know soon enough what zos thinks of their Warden community with pts dropping in a week

Checkmath

Zardayne wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wardens: The not feeling loved disgruntlement was communicated
Various small quality of life improvements were suggestions brought up by the players were brought up, including:
Short buffs like Bird of Prey need to be longer
Swarm projectile too slow, double cast feels like a punishment, not engaging or rewarding gameplay
People will ask for a viable frost mage playstyle until it can be done
Sustain is too limited. Either reduce costs of Fissure and other magicka skills or increase magicka returned by Betty Netch
Nature’s Grasp rubber bands you. Other morph should burst heal the caster as well. Both morphs should begin healing as the skill is cast, not once you arrive at the target
PvE magden would benefit greatly from sustain buffs.
Warden healer are mostly happy
It was brought up that sustain is strained for PvE DPS and PvP in general
Nature’s Grasp usability issues including rubber banding and healing not starting until you arrive at the ally, which is slow for quick reactionary play
The issue of a CC option was communicated, and ZOS indicated they are looking into it
Wardens need to bring something unique to the table for groups in general (health buff given by Warhorn, players may already have their resistance buffs active, etc)

Stupidly short; stupidly ignores most of the discord discussions, all other classes got way more attention;

Dunno why I came back to this thread, but this is absolutely the reason I have 0 faith in the rep program

I felt the same way..

I'm hoping as @Checkmath said they are looking into other things. Hopefully I don't have to wait another year.

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Zardayne wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wardens: The not feeling loved disgruntlement was communicated
Various small quality of life improvements were suggestions brought up by the players were brought up, including:
Short buffs like Bird of Prey need to be longer
Swarm projectile too slow, double cast feels like a punishment, not engaging or rewarding gameplay
People will ask for a viable frost mage playstyle until it can be done
Sustain is too limited. Either reduce costs of Fissure and other magicka skills or increase magicka returned by Betty Netch
Nature’s Grasp rubber bands you. Other morph should burst heal the caster as well. Both morphs should begin healing as the skill is cast, not once you arrive at the target
PvE magden would benefit greatly from sustain buffs.
Warden healer are mostly happy
It was brought up that sustain is strained for PvE DPS and PvP in general
Nature’s Grasp usability issues including rubber banding and healing not starting until you arrive at the ally, which is slow for quick reactionary play
The issue of a CC option was communicated, and ZOS indicated they are looking into it
Wardens need to bring something unique to the table for groups in general (health buff given by Warhorn, players may already have their resistance buffs active, etc)

Stupidly short; stupidly ignores most of the discord discussions, all other classes got way more attention;

Dunno why I came back to this thread, but this is absolutely the reason I have 0 faith in the rep program

I felt the same way..

I'm hoping as @Checkmath said they are looking into other things. Hopefully I don't have to wait another year.

Also my concern...

But we should know soon enough what zos thinks of their Warden community with pts dropping in a week

Just be a little bit more patient. Pts of murkmire should be opened next monday and I, too, hope we will see some good changes.

Vahrokh

Checkmath wrote: »

Zardayne wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wardens: The not feeling loved disgruntlement was communicated
Various small quality of life improvements were suggestions brought up by the players were brought up, including:
Short buffs like Bird of Prey need to be longer
Swarm projectile too slow, double cast feels like a punishment, not engaging or rewarding gameplay
People will ask for a viable frost mage playstyle until it can be done
Sustain is too limited. Either reduce costs of Fissure and other magicka skills or increase magicka returned by Betty Netch
Nature’s Grasp rubber bands you. Other morph should burst heal the caster as well. Both morphs should begin healing as the skill is cast, not once you arrive at the target
PvE magden would benefit greatly from sustain buffs.
Warden healer are mostly happy
It was brought up that sustain is strained for PvE DPS and PvP in general
Nature’s Grasp usability issues including rubber banding and healing not starting until you arrive at the ally, which is slow for quick reactionary play
The issue of a CC option was communicated, and ZOS indicated they are looking into it
Wardens need to bring something unique to the table for groups in general (health buff given by Warhorn, players may already have their resistance buffs active, etc)

Stupidly short; stupidly ignores most of the discord discussions, all other classes got way more attention;

Dunno why I came back to this thread, but this is absolutely the reason I have 0 faith in the rep program

I felt the same way..

I'm hoping as @Checkmath said they are looking into other things. Hopefully I don't have to wait another year.

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Zardayne wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wardens: The not feeling loved disgruntlement was communicated
Various small quality of life improvements were suggestions brought up by the players were brought up, including:
Short buffs like Bird of Prey need to be longer
Swarm projectile too slow, double cast feels like a punishment, not engaging or rewarding gameplay
People will ask for a viable frost mage playstyle until it can be done
Sustain is too limited. Either reduce costs of Fissure and other magicka skills or increase magicka returned by Betty Netch
Nature’s Grasp rubber bands you. Other morph should burst heal the caster as well. Both morphs should begin healing as the skill is cast, not once you arrive at the target
PvE magden would benefit greatly from sustain buffs.
Warden healer are mostly happy
It was brought up that sustain is strained for PvE DPS and PvP in general
Nature’s Grasp usability issues including rubber banding and healing not starting until you arrive at the ally, which is slow for quick reactionary play
The issue of a CC option was communicated, and ZOS indicated they are looking into it
Wardens need to bring something unique to the table for groups in general (health buff given by Warhorn, players may already have their resistance buffs active, etc)

Stupidly short; stupidly ignores most of the discord discussions, all other classes got way more attention;

Dunno why I came back to this thread, but this is absolutely the reason I have 0 faith in the rep program

I felt the same way..

I'm hoping as @Checkmath said they are looking into other things. Hopefully I don't have to wait another year.

Also my concern...

But we should know soon enough what zos thinks of their Warden community with pts dropping in a week

Just be a little bit more patient. Pts of murkmire should be opened next monday and I, too, hope we will see some good changes.

Well, the good changes are a nerf to shields and that's it. It's like the 84th consecutive nerf on one class.

bardx86

Beardimus wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

The rune cage debacle was an epic fail. Over-buffed then gutted. Damage should have been removed, stun duration shortened, and range reduced to ~15-20m. Sorcs didn't need a roflstomp skill like summerset rune cage, just an instant where the opponent couldn't block or dodge our combo like they could for such a long time. Rune Cage being dodgeable puts sorcs back to square one where it's too easy to avoid the highly telegraphed combo. And you even went ahead and made defensive rune dodgeable too??? What's next, Hurricane no longer breaks Cloak?

NB's could already avoid msorc burst easily and they just got a golden ticket. But that's not all, they've gotten a lot of nice things lately. Shade buff. Oh and spectral bow stacks remain even after buff expires. They got a free pass from Sloads. But don't worry, Incap was "nerfed." All of this taken together is shameful from the NB's in the class rep program. NB's keep getting good things, and what do other classes get? Thanks for the Templar Rune buff I guess...

Frags will need a damage increase and the projectile needs to be faster if the plan is to make all sorc CC's dodgeable.

Agreed

Absolutely. Not sure how the Reps and dev doesn't get this.