Why have a Pve event During the PVP event time slot?

Koolio

I was really hoping for a great double AP event. With the influx of new players who might stick around. But now they will just stay doing the same dungeon over and over. Once again the pvp community kinda gets sidelined.

DeadlyRecluse

I suspect this is the beginning of a new monster "outfit" style every month moving forward. I'd expect overlap between it and every other event moving forward.

I doubt it will take that big of a chunk out of the PvP event, but we'll see.

ceil420

As a non-PvPer, I like the idea of having something to do while you lot run around Cyro or whatever.

VaranisArano

When the campaigns crash, the lag is too much, or you are waiting an hour in queue, at least you can run dungeons.

majulook

Koolio wrote: »

I was really hoping for a great double AP event. With the influx of new players who might stick around. But now they will just stay doing the same dungeon over and over. Once again the pvp community kinda gets sidelined.

Well a lot of players are not gonna be able to do "the same dungeon over and over" until they fix the missing walls and textures issue.

Koolio

ceil420 wrote: »

As a non-PvPer, I like the idea of having something to do while you lot run around Cyro or whatever.

You mean Bloodroot dungeons Clockwork City Dragon Bones Summerset?

We get 2 events and no DLC per year. Maybe a Battlegrounds map. This is what we get and now it’s watered down.

Kiralyn2000

Koolio wrote: »

ceil420 wrote: »

As a non-PvPer, I like the idea of having something to do while you lot run around Cyro or whatever.

You mean Bloodroot dungeons Clockwork City Dragon Bones Summerset?

We get 2 events and no DLC per year. Maybe a Battlegrounds map. This is what we get and now it’s watered down.

Judging by the monster outfit news post, that thing will be available for a month. People who want to do PvP can happily lag their brains out during the Mayhem event, and still have time to spend weeks farming those styles. There's no competition here.

crowfl56

So we can kill all the easy, PUGS, that only pve, man are they fun to harvest

DenMoria

To answer the title: Because p-off PvP is a fun and satisfying hobby. It's easy. It's fun. And ultimately, we don't care if we do.

EvilCroc

Less noobs for ganking? Oh, poor little PvP community.

Tandor

crowfl56 wrote: »

So we can kill all the easy, PUGS, that only pve, man are they fun to harvest

I assume they are, otherwise why would PvPers be so opposed to skyshard-hunting PvEers having a non-PvP instances of Cyrodiil and Imperial City, the main benefit of which for PvPers would be the reduction in queues and lag for their PvP instances?

Heimpai

Tandor wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

So we can kill all the easy, PUGS, that only pve, man are they fun to harvest

I assume they are, otherwise why would PvPers be so opposed to skyshard-hunting PvEers having a non-PvP instance of Cyrodiil the main benefit of which for PvPers would be the reduction in queues and lag for their PvP instances?

I got the shards without being attacked once..Sotha NA, I’m more of an EU timezone due to work though..server was pretty dead

I also don’t care that another event is going on? I’ll do both..oh is there double xp too? Haven’t been paying attention

rumple9

It's a clever way to reduce PvP server loads and stop all the QQ

Inarre

Koolio wrote: »

I was really hoping for a great double AP event. With the influx of new players who might stick around. But now they will just stay doing the same dungeon over and over. Once again the pvp community kinda gets sidelined.

I'm assuming this is the monster set style thing you're concerned about?
It's around for a whole month for just this style and will be a constant going forward. It's not going to take away from the PVP event. For sure.

DenMoria

Koolio wrote: »

I was really hoping for a great double AP event. With the influx of new players who might stick around. But now they will just stay doing the same dungeon over and over. Once again the pvp community kinda gets sidelined.

Love the thought, but, given how many PvP options are out there, I kind of doubt that an "influx of new players who might stick around" would ever happen to ESO.

Besides - PvPers don't stick around. Or at least they don't if they're smart. Revenge is a dish best served cold, after all.

Sevn

Wait, what's this other event that's happening? I've been out of the loop for a few weeks now, someone save me the time of searching for it and enlighten me please! Thanks in advance!

Recremen

We have a whole month to get the style pages, so I don't think it will negatively impact PvP event participation. I totes understand the concern, but as a long-time PvPer this didn't strike me as a big concern.

adeptusminor

crowfl56 wrote: »

So we can kill all the easy, PUGS, that only pve, man are they fun to harvest

Please don't kill me too much, I need to grind out Warhorn for my tank.

Koolio

Recremen wrote: »

We have a whole month to get the style pages, so I don't think it will negatively impact PvP event participation. I totes understand the concern, but as a long-time PvPer this didn't strike me as a big concern.

It’s just principles I guess. We have to wait a year for a non DLC event for pvpers. Just for them to throw n a pve event. It just bothers me that the ONE thing we actually get and look forward too is being watered down. Most Pvers will grind those out for the first week and never set foot in pvp. We only have 1 real campaign on our server and would have loved some population. But they just get to go farm their stuff.

Wtb pvp event during every pve event.

BuddyAces

I don't understand what you're crying about other than you had a bad day and needed to vent. I will guarantee you that cyrodiil will not be empty due to this event.

code65536

Koolio wrote: »

I was really hoping for a great double AP event. With the influx of new players who might stick around. But now they will just stay doing the same dungeon over and over. Once again the pvp community kinda gets sidelined.

Because it's not a PvE event? This is going to be on-going for the entire year. The only time-limited is the fact that the monster set rotates on a monthly basis.

Sevn

Koolio wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

We have a whole month to get the style pages, so I don't think it will negatively impact PvP event participation. I totes understand the concern, but as a long-time PvPer this didn't strike me as a big concern.

It’s just principles I guess. We have to wait a year for a non DLC event for pvpers. Just for them to throw n a pve event. It just bothers me that the ONE thing we actually get and look forward too is being watered down. Most Pvers will grind those out for the first week and never set foot in pvp. We only have 1 real campaign on our server and would have loved some population. But they just get to go farm their stuff.

Wtb pvp event during every pve event.

I just don't get Pvper's like you. The whole point of pvping, at least for most I'd assume is for the competition. Why so eager to slaughter a bunch of pve folks who stand little chance against you? How is that even remotely rewarding? Just wow.

Pnyx

Koolio wrote: »

I was really hoping for a great double AP event. With the influx of new players who might stick around. But now they will just stay doing the same dungeon over and over. Once again the pvp community kinda gets sidelined.

Darn it... All this new meat that will not be going to Cyr but will be doing dungeons instead. It's a cruel world, my heart goes out to you friend!

DenMoria

BuddyAces wrote: »

I don't understand what you're crying about other than you had a bad day and needed to vent. I will guarantee you that cyrodiil will not be empty due to this event.

In my experience, recently, Cyrodil and the IC have had a higher population of mobs than they do of players.

Enslaved

Oh, boy must be that zos fixed servers so good they can do 2 events at once [rolls eyes]

Koolio

Sevn wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

We have a whole month to get the style pages, so I don't think it will negatively impact PvP event participation. I totes understand the concern, but as a long-time PvPer this didn't strike me as a big concern.

It’s just principles I guess. We have to wait a year for a non DLC event for pvpers. Just for them to throw n a pve event. It just bothers me that the ONE thing we actually get and look forward too is being watered down. Most Pvers will grind those out for the first week and never set foot in pvp. We only have 1 real campaign on our server and would have loved some population. But they just get to go farm their stuff.

Wtb pvp event during every pve event.

I just don't get Pvper's like you. The whole point of pvping, at least for most I'd assume is for the competition. Why so eager to slaughter a bunch of pve folks who stand little chance against you? How is that even remotely rewarding? Just wow.

Maybe my group want to fight 8 v 100. Should be challenging. But really they don’t stand a chance because they never PVP. This is the best if not the only time Pvers might come into pvp and stay. I don’t care really of killing them more so a lively population for the remainder of the games life(pvp)

I fight the same people in pvp over and over again.

DenMoria wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

I don't understand what you're crying about other than you had a bad day and needed to vent. I will guarantee you that cyrodiil will not be empty due to this event.

In my experience, recently, Cyrodil and the IC have had a higher population of mobs than they do of players.

^.

Gnortranermara

The PvE stuff will be a quick distraction, but plenty of people will still be doing PvP for the event. You should be grateful that something will be going on the help keep the population slightly lower. Between crummy servers and engine problems that ZOS developers are incapable of fixing, it's going to be nothing but constant crashes for all of us anyway.

James-Wayne

The dungeon event is happening for a month, Midyear is not... heaps of time to do both!

Koolio

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

The PvE stuff will be a quick distraction, but plenty of people will still be doing PvP for the event. You should be grateful that something will be going on the help keep the population slightly lower. Between crummy servers and engine problems that ZOS developers are incapable of fixing, it's going to be nothing but constant crashes for all of us anyway.

The something keeping the population low is the stale state of Pvp with no changes for years. We NEED as much people as possible to hopefully retain 10-15% as pvpers. I can’t wait to have a flaming Greatsword either. But we get this one incentive per year and I want the most out of it.

Koolio

James-Wayne wrote: »

The dungeon event is happening for a month, Midyear is not... heaps of time to do both!

The Pvers will farm the event during the first week(same as pvp event) then the pvp event will be over and lower numbers would have participated. The event is to have people participate in pvp.

I will do both and farm the hell out of it after the pvp event that I’ve waited for a year to come around.

VaranisArano

Sevn wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

We have a whole month to get the style pages, so I don't think it will negatively impact PvP event participation. I totes understand the concern, but as a long-time PvPer this didn't strike me as a big concern.

It’s just principles I guess. We have to wait a year for a non DLC event for pvpers. Just for them to throw n a pve event. It just bothers me that the ONE thing we actually get and look forward too is being watered down. Most Pvers will grind those out for the first week and never set foot in pvp. We only have 1 real campaign on our server and would have loved some population. But they just get to go farm their stuff.

Wtb pvp event during every pve event.

I just don't get Pvper's like you. The whole point of pvping, at least for most I'd assume is for the competition. Why so eager to slaughter a bunch of pve folks who stand little chance against you? How is that even remotely rewarding? Just wow.

And I confess that I don't understand PVEers who come to Cyrodiil and expect PVPers not to engage them in PVP. Its a PVP zone, please come prepared for PVP.

In a little different light, some of us really enjoy the PVEers who come to PVP for Midyear Mayhem. Last year, I got to lead a PUG raid of early morning players on Shor by virtue of being the only person with an idea of where to go and what to do.

Halfway around the emp ring, a few PVEers in my group who'd been wandering around before started to say "Wow, PVP is fun when you have an army!"

Let me tell you, as a player who'd been the most "PVE-only-I'm-never-ever-gonna-PVP" player before I actually started to PVP, that warmed my heart. I was thrilled to show fellow PVE players what I had come to love about PVP. For many of us, this is a chance to share what we love with people who might never otherwise touch PVP.

But there's the flip side as well. PVP is all about the thrill of the competition and the kill. And there's a huge thrill to taking your group of PVPers into a huge mass of enemy players and just slaughtering the opposition. There's something great about wiping large groups of the enemy (even if some were probably in PVE gear), something satisfying about farming squishy players who don't know any better than to keep throwing themselves at you (probably PVEers who can't recognize a trap), and defending/capturing keeps against the hordes. And don't underestimate the thrill of seeing that AP tick go by on your screen, knowing you contributed to that fight with siege, heals, and kills.

So for the experienced PVPer, Midyear Mayhem isn't just about helping out the new players on your team. Its also a chance to dominate the other teams and experienced PVPers will cut through masses of inexperienced players on the other team like a hot knife through butter. Sure, good PVPers make our reputations fighting other experienced PVPers during the rest of the year. but don't underestimate the thrill of, in the words of Conan, what is best in life: "To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women." Bombers, gankers, small scale, tower farmers, guild raids - all of them are ready to turn their PVP-honed skills loose, and its hard not to enjoy at least a little bit seeing just how horribly effective those tactics we've honed on more experienced opponents are on people who simply aren't prepared to counter them.


for experienced PVPers, Midyear Mayhem offers everything that's fun about PVP, turned up to 11. New names, new faces, new competition all mixed up with the same old, same old rivals, with double AP and double the enemies (and double the lag and double the queue). For many PVPers, Midyear Mayhem is everything we wish Cyrodiil was like every day of the year with fighting covering the whole map, new players coming and learning and leaving, amazing ticks, and amazing fights. Some of that is the chance to work with new players on our faction and help them have a positive experience with PVP. Some of that is the chance to kill the new players on the other faction and get some sweet, sweet double AP. Both things are plenty rewarding.