Do we underestimate light attack spammers. How high can you get yours?

Guppet

Kind of a silly challenge. Often we say people are just attack spamming and dont provide enough dps. So it’s a challenge to see just how high light attack spamming only can actually get.

Rules are the only other ability you can use is to provide the debuff that you’d get from the tanks Armor debuff (mark target etc).

Then just spam light attack till you destroy the dummy (replying armour debuff when needed).

Feel free to post your gear too, so we can see just what light attack spammers could do.

I have to be honest, my results surprised me. 13200, that’s actually almost acceptable single target dps for a dungeon.

Gear was Spriggans, Hundings and Slimeclaw.

Asmael

20k plus

21k.

Well, Relequen, Ravager, Selene and all that jazz...

getemshauna

20k plus

Next patch you can actually have competetive dps using only light attacks (Werewolf)

Dubhliam

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

Guppet

13-15k

Dubhliam wrote: »

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

You can complete all normal and most vet dungeons with a combined 30k (heck you can go much lower on normals and still slowly do it) So 2 doing 13k each would be enough adding the tank and healer.

Just makes it even sadder when a group is doing 5k.

Chaos2088

gethemshauna wrote: »

Next patch you can actually have competetive dps using only light attacks (Werewolf)

lol

Carbonised

Most people who are incompetent enough to spam light attacks probably wear a collection of trash green and blue normal gear.

I sincerely doubt a light attack spammer has 2 sets of purple/gold gear and a decent monster mask set, as well as the right mundus stone and CP setup.

If you are clever enough to do all that, you are also clever enough to do other things than spam light attacks (or snipe).

Rotation and skill is only part of the problem. CP, gear and stat setup is the other half.

Guppet

13-15k

Carbonised wrote: »

Most people who are incompetent enough to spam light attacks probably wear a collection of trash green and blue normal gear.

I sincerely doubt a light attack spammer has 2 sets of purple/gold gear and a decent monster mask set, as well as the right mundus stone and CP setup.

If you are clever enough to do all that, you are also clever enough to do other things than spam light attacks (or snipe).

Rotation and skill is only part of the problem. CP, gear and stat setup is the other half.

You are of course correct. The single biggest thing that impacts game performance is mentality.

But you did get the part where this is just a silly challenge. You know for fun

Dubhliam

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

You can complete all normal and most vet dungeons with a combined 30k (heck you can go much lower on normals and still slowly do it) So 2 doing 13k each would be enough adding the tank and healer.

Just makes it even sadder when a group is doing 5k.

Imagine a trial group of 8 DDs al with 13k DPS.

Just over 100k DPS.

Now imagine that same trial with only 1 tank, one healer and two good DDs, both doing 50k.

How is that acceptable?
For a 4 man group to be as successful as a full 12 man trial group.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

gethemshauna wrote: »

Next patch you can actually have competetive dps using only light attacks (Werewolf)

Nice to know that my 5yo daughter playing my Stamina WW will double the DPS of most adults in PUGs simply by pushing a button like hell. I might actually give it Kena, just to enhance it even more.

Irfind

7-9k

Dubhliam wrote: »

Imagine a trial group of 8 DDs al with 13k DPS.

Just over 100k DPS.

Now imagine that same trial with only 1 tank, one healer and two good DDs, both doing 50k.

How is that acceptable?
For a 4 man group to be as successful as a full 12 man trial group.

^Uhm then is something wrong with the game ?

Guppet

13-15k

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

You can complete all normal and most vet dungeons with a combined 30k (heck you can go much lower on normals and still slowly do it) So 2 doing 13k each would be enough adding the tank and healer.

Just makes it even sadder when a group is doing 5k.

Imagine a trial group of 8 DDs al with 13k DPS.

Just over 100k DPS.

Now imagine that same trial with only 1 tank, one healer and two good DDs, both doing 50k.

How is that acceptable?
For a 4 man group to be as successful as a full 12 man trial group.

And what percentage of DPS players sustain 50k? Your example is terrible and in no way representative of most players.

Acceptable was referring to being able to clear content.

What your saying is like saying you can’t take free kicks because David Beckham is better at them than you. Most people arnt David Beckham!!

Again, seems the concept of a silly poll goes over people’s head’s.

Silly is not serious. Not everything has to be.

Dubhliam

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

You can complete all normal and most vet dungeons with a combined 30k (heck you can go much lower on normals and still slowly do it) So 2 doing 13k each would be enough adding the tank and healer.

Just makes it even sadder when a group is doing 5k.

Imagine a trial group of 8 DDs al with 13k DPS.

Just over 100k DPS.

Now imagine that same trial with only 1 tank, one healer and two good DDs, both doing 50k.

How is that acceptable?
For a 4 man group to be as successful as a full 12 man trial group.

And what percentage of DPS players sustain 50k? Your example is terrible and in no way representative of most players.

Acceptable was referring to being able to clear content.

What your saying is like saying you can’t take free kicks because David Beckham is better at them than you. Most people arnt David Beckham!!

Again, seems the concept of a silly poll goes over people’s head’s.

Silly is not serious. Not everything has to be.

David Beckham and other professional players will get paid by great teams to play for them.
What you are asking is for a local joe to compete in a major league tournament.

Who in their right mind would only light attack in PvE?

And why do you think people should be satisfied with 13k DPS?

YES, it CAN be enough to clear content.

Will it be fun for everyone involved? HELL NO!

You can't seem to understand, you are impairing the fun of everyone around you, INCLUDING your own entertainment just by simply being to lazy to improve.

Nobody wants to play with 13k DPS damage dealers.

How the hell will you enjoy dungeons if nobody will play with you?

And I wonder why so many players *** about PUGs. THIS IS WHY!!!

PUGs are made of people nobody wants to play with, because there is no other way for them to group.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

You can complete all normal and most vet dungeons with a combined 30k (heck you can go much lower on normals and still slowly do it) So 2 doing 13k each would be enough adding the tank and healer.

Just makes it even sadder when a group is doing 5k.

Imagine a trial group of 8 DDs al with 13k DPS.

Just over 100k DPS.

Now imagine that same trial with only 1 tank, one healer and two good DDs, both doing 50k.

How is that acceptable?
For a 4 man group to be as successful as a full 12 man trial group.

And what percentage of DPS players sustain 50k? Your example is terrible and in no way representative of most players.

Acceptable was referring to being able to clear content.

What your saying is like saying you can’t take free kicks because David Beckham is better at them than you. Most people arnt David Beckham!!

Again, seems the concept of a silly poll goes over people’s head’s.

Silly is not serious. Not everything has to be.

David Beckham and other professional players will get paid by great teams to play for them.
What you are asking is for a local joe to compete in a major league tournament.

Who in their right mind would only light attack in PvE?

And why do you think people should be satisfied with 13k DPS?

YES, it CAN be enough to clear content.

Will it be fun for everyone involved? HELL NO!

You can't seem to understand, you are impairing the fun of everyone around you, INCLUDING your own entertainment just by simply being to lazy to improve.

Nobody wants to play with 13k DPS damage dealers.

How the hell will you enjoy dungeons if nobody will play with you?

And I wonder why so many players *** about PUGs. THIS IS WHY!!!

PUGs are made of people nobody wants to play with, because there is no other way for them to group.

Good dps is 30k. Acceptable is 20k, which is more then enough to do all the content in the game sans vet hm trials. If you really think 50k dps is good and lower then that is not good, you need to get out of your bubble and play in the group finder a while.

Guppet

13-15k

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

You can complete all normal and most vet dungeons with a combined 30k (heck you can go much lower on normals and still slowly do it) So 2 doing 13k each would be enough adding the tank and healer.

Just makes it even sadder when a group is doing 5k.

Imagine a trial group of 8 DDs al with 13k DPS.

Just over 100k DPS.

Now imagine that same trial with only 1 tank, one healer and two good DDs, both doing 50k.

How is that acceptable?
For a 4 man group to be as successful as a full 12 man trial group.

And what percentage of DPS players sustain 50k? Your example is terrible and in no way representative of most players.

Acceptable was referring to being able to clear content.

What your saying is like saying you can’t take free kicks because David Beckham is better at them than you. Most people arnt David Beckham!!

Again, seems the concept of a silly poll goes over people’s head’s.

Silly is not serious. Not everything has to be.

David Beckham and other professional players will get paid by great teams to play for them.
What you are asking is for a local joe to compete in a major league tournament.

Who in their right mind would only light attack in PvE?

And why do you think people should be satisfied with 13k DPS?

YES, it CAN be enough to clear content.

Will it be fun for everyone involved? HELL NO!

You can't seem to understand, you are impairing the fun of everyone around you, INCLUDING your own entertainment just by simply being to lazy to improve.

Nobody wants to play with 13k DPS damage dealers.

How the hell will you enjoy dungeons if nobody will play with you?

And I wonder why so many players *** about PUGs. THIS IS WHY!!!

PUGs are made of people nobody wants to play with, because there is no other way for them to group.

You must be fun at party’s. Again your missing the silly challenge part.

Also acceptable, which I said it was almost, is subjective.

If your somehow thinking I’m saying I do 13k dps in pug groups, then that’s in your head.

Won’t be replying to you again.

Dubhliam

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

You can complete all normal and most vet dungeons with a combined 30k (heck you can go much lower on normals and still slowly do it) So 2 doing 13k each would be enough adding the tank and healer.

Just makes it even sadder when a group is doing 5k.

Imagine a trial group of 8 DDs al with 13k DPS.

Just over 100k DPS.

Now imagine that same trial with only 1 tank, one healer and two good DDs, both doing 50k.

How is that acceptable?
For a 4 man group to be as successful as a full 12 man trial group.

And what percentage of DPS players sustain 50k? Your example is terrible and in no way representative of most players.

Acceptable was referring to being able to clear content.

What your saying is like saying you can’t take free kicks because David Beckham is better at them than you. Most people arnt David Beckham!!

Again, seems the concept of a silly poll goes over people’s head’s.

Silly is not serious. Not everything has to be.

David Beckham and other professional players will get paid by great teams to play for them.
What you are asking is for a local joe to compete in a major league tournament.

Who in their right mind would only light attack in PvE?

And why do you think people should be satisfied with 13k DPS?

YES, it CAN be enough to clear content.

Will it be fun for everyone involved? HELL NO!

You can't seem to understand, you are impairing the fun of everyone around you, INCLUDING your own entertainment just by simply being to lazy to improve.

Nobody wants to play with 13k DPS damage dealers.

How the hell will you enjoy dungeons if nobody will play with you?

And I wonder why so many players *** about PUGs. THIS IS WHY!!!

PUGs are made of people nobody wants to play with, because there is no other way for them to group.

Good dps is 30k. Acceptable is 20k, which is more then enough to do all the content in the game sans vet hm trials. If you really think 50k dps is good and lower then that is not good, you need to get out of your bubble and play in the group finder a while.

I am not saying that.

20k is acceptable.
25k is good.

13k is nowhere near acceptable.

AcadianPaladin

9-11k

I run a bow/bow stamsorc wearing easy gear (Hundings + Spriggans). Her full dps rotation gets her up to about 25k vs dummy.

Her light attacks (augmented by Surge) average 10k per hit so, just out of curiosity, I ran a dps check vs dummy just keeping surge up and spamming light attack - predictably, 10k dps. Then I ran another dps check just keeping surge, caltrops and volley up - also 10k.

My problem with bow light attack spammers is not so much low dps as it is a tendency to kite the boss all around - more specifically, out of everyone's on the ground AoE DoTs. Grrr. My bow/bow girl does not kite - she doesn't have to (Surge + Hurricane) - Range doesn't make much diff to her. Longer range gives her one perk (Hawkeye dps) but closer range gives her a different perk (Hurricane AoE dps).

NordSwordnBoard

I'm going to try this later. I'm curious too, and it is funny.

Most "light attack spammers" are doing so because they drain resources spamming some cool looking skill, run out, and spam light and heavies to pass the time until the next skill eruption spews and sputters out.

LeagueTroll

20k plus

I had a post on magblade crap dot uptime, no spammable = 33k

griffkhalifa

Dubhliam wrote: »

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

Chill out, bud. It's a light attack.

Irfind

7-9k

My try ^^

5x Hundings, 5x Unfathomable darkness, 2x Kragh (NB Dunmer) reaping mark no buffs


DW Dagger/axe 10k
Bow 8,5k
2h sword 6,8k

Kiralyn2000

Guppet wrote: »

But you did get the part where this is just a silly challenge. You know for fun

"Fun"? What is this "fun" you speak of? Gaming is Srs Bzns!

Imagine a trial group of 8 DDs al with 13k DPS.

Just over 100k DPS.

Now imagine that same trial with only 1 tank, one healer and two good DDs, both doing 50k.

How is that acceptable?
For a 4 man group to be as successful as a full 12 man trial group.

Eh, mostly that just suggests that a game has maybe too many inscrutable mechanics and power creep in it.


(Similarly, over in Star Trek Online, people on the forums complain about randoms showing up in pugs doing less than 3k DPS.... meanwhile, the folks who run the "DPS League" have had pre-set groups of people with synergistic builds doing DPS parses over 150k. And the vast majority of the game content could be managed with 10k.)

Priyasekarssk

20k plus

Guppet wrote: »

Kind of a silly challenge. Often we say people are just attack spamming and dont provide enough dps. So it’s a challenge to see just how high light attack spamming only can actually get.

Rules are the only other ability you can use is to provide the debuff that you’d get from the tanks Armor debuff (mark target etc).

Then just spam light attack till you destroy the dummy (replying armour debuff when needed).

Feel free to post your gear too, so we can see just what light attack spammers could do.

I have to be honest, my results surprised me. 13200, that’s actually almost acceptable single target dps for a dungeon.

Gear was Spriggans, Hundings and Slimeclaw.

Just put shield breaker and sload and light attack until target dies.

runagate

Kinda worries me that no one mentions combining light attack bonus sets. Elegance + Infiltrator, for instance. Not sure if tossing in Elemental Weapon, Empower or other buff skills would count. Makes me wonder if there's some way that Martial Knowledge could conceivably be semi-useful.

sevomd69

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

I'm going to try this later. I'm curious too, and it is funny.

Most "light attack spammers" are doing so because they drain resources spamming some cool looking skill, run out, and spam light and heavies to pass the time until the next skill eruption spews and sputters out.

I think I'm gonna have to push back on that assertion...maybe a "scant minority"...definitely not "most"....

Toc de Malsvi

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I run a bow/bow stamsorc wearing easy gear (Hundings + Spriggans). Her full dps rotation gets her up to about 25k vs dummy.

Her light attacks (augmented by Surge) average 10k per hit so, just out of curiosity, I ran a dps check vs dummy just keeping surge up and spamming light attack - predictably, 10k dps. Then I ran another dps check just keeping surge, caltrops and volley up - also 10k.

My problem with bow light attack spammers is not so much low dps as it is a tendency to kite the boss all around - more specifically, out of everyone's on the ground AoE DoTs. Grrr. My bow/bow girl does not kite - she doesn't have to (Surge + Hurricane) - Range doesn't make much diff to her. Longer range gives her one perk (Hawkeye dps) but closer range gives her a different perk (Hurricane AoE dps).

I want to clarify its Long Shots not Hawk Eye, you get Hawk Eye from light attacks regardless of range. I am not trying to pick on you I know which one you meant, but not everyone would.

Zer0oo

20k plus

I did 50k dps on a werewolf on pts with just light attacks and for fun i tested it also how much dps i get in human form 22k(not sure if i used a pot for this).

VaranisArano

Dubhliam wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

You can complete all normal and most vet dungeons with a combined 30k (heck you can go much lower on normals and still slowly do it) So 2 doing 13k each would be enough adding the tank and healer.

Just makes it even sadder when a group is doing 5k.

Imagine a trial group of 8 DDs al with 13k DPS.

Just over 100k DPS.

Now imagine that same trial with only 1 tank, one healer and two good DDs, both doing 50k.

How is that acceptable?
For a 4 man group to be as successful as a full 12 man trial group.

And what percentage of DPS players sustain 50k? Your example is terrible and in no way representative of most players.

Acceptable was referring to being able to clear content.

What your saying is like saying you can’t take free kicks because David Beckham is better at them than you. Most people arnt David Beckham!!

Again, seems the concept of a silly poll goes over people’s head’s.

Silly is not serious. Not everything has to be.

David Beckham and other professional players will get paid by great teams to play for them.
What you are asking is for a local joe to compete in a major league tournament.

Who in their right mind would only light attack in PvE?

And why do you think people should be satisfied with 13k DPS?

YES, it CAN be enough to clear content.

Will it be fun for everyone involved? HELL NO!

You can't seem to understand, you are impairing the fun of everyone around you, INCLUDING your own entertainment just by simply being to lazy to improve.

Nobody wants to play with 13k DPS damage dealers.

How the hell will you enjoy dungeons if nobody will play with you?

And I wonder why so many players *** about PUGs. THIS IS WHY!!!

PUGs are made of people nobody wants to play with, because there is no other way for them to group.

Good dps is 30k. Acceptable is 20k, which is more then enough to do all the content in the game sans vet hm trials. If you really think 50k dps is good and lower then that is not good, you need to get out of your bubble and play in the group finder a while.

I am not saying that.

20k is acceptable.
25k is good.

13k is nowhere near acceptable.

13k DPS has been fine in every Normal dungeon I've done with PUGs. I've done successful normals with PUGs that did a lot less. It was slow, but we've completed the dungeon as long as they listened to mechanics. Heck, I'd even say most PUG DDs I run into average between 10 to 15k DPS on normal dungeons.

I'd agree with you for Veteran dungeons and trials. Some of the easy vets can be done with low group DPS, but I wouldn't recommend it.

I'm very wary of people making blanket statements like 20k DPS is "acceptable" when they don't specify the level of content they are talking about. No one needs 20k DPS to be "acceptable" in a normal dungeon (unless you have really high standards for PUGs), but you might need 20k DPS to be acceptable in a vet dungeon, and some vet dungeons and trials require higher DPS than that. So I sort of agree with you for most content, but 20k DPS is nice but not necessary for normal dungeons.

zaria

Dubhliam wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

13k DPS is nowhere near acceptable.

It's just tragic that people do less than that.

You can complete all normal and most vet dungeons with a combined 30k (heck you can go much lower on normals and still slowly do it) So 2 doing 13k each would be enough adding the tank and healer.

Just makes it even sadder when a group is doing 5k.

Imagine a trial group of 8 DDs al with 13k DPS.

Just over 100k DPS.

Now imagine that same trial with only 1 tank, one healer and two good DDs, both doing 50k.

How is that acceptable?
For a 4 man group to be as successful as a full 12 man trial group.

Has been in some nAS pug groups there group dps is 30K on last boss
Yes that is 9 DD, however most are dead, standard rotation was lay down dot, res, repeat.
Add that many did not burn the adds but continued hitting the immune boss.

Agenericname

13-15k

Just under 15k using only elemental drain.

That's Mother's Sorrow, Julianos, and Valkyn Skoria (which accounted for 1k of the DPS).

I was surprised given that my light attacks normally only make up about 6k DPS.

Thorstienn

20k plus

Only just over: 20400
Could of been higher I think, but couldn't find Queens Elegance on PTS for some reason, so went with Undaunted infiltrator.
DK using breath, with Zaan Siroria an Undaunted.
Zaan would be the only difficult item to get as a carry me pug, but not impossible.

Good fun test there.

Edit. DK not Do haha