Are we stupid or really stupid?

Tandor

I can certainly see that as with any game or other product, if there are people for whom ESO has become unplayable, or even simply unenjoyable, yet they continue to pay for it then the wisdom of that can be questioned. However, attempting to tar everyone with the same brush is absurd because for most players the game falls somewhere between running flawlessly and running reasonably subject to some intermittent issues that aren't game-breaking.

Threads like this tend to run to a couple of pages or so, and if they're more specifically titled in relation to common issues then they can run overnight to four or five pages. I've played plenty of games where the problems were so universally experienced that threads would go overnight into triple figures!

Personally I don't have any significant issues with the game and am happy to continue playing it and paying two subscriptions for it, but if I was having half the problems some players report then I'd obviously have that under review!

Gargis

ESO+ sub cancelled and set to expire very soon. I not resubscribing. The performance has been terrible. The worst, missing walls, even sections of entire delves will disappear. Its like looking into infinity and seeing other games out there to ponder and play.

Played another game, you know the big one not to be mentioned.Loaded in game in 3s, none of this crap 2 min+ if at all. So many times I had to crash out of Cyd. Pathetic. Also not pleased with the direction of combat and class balance. What a shame, total neglect.

Hey ZOS, fix your game if you want ppl to pay for it.

Kelces

Insane would be the right word, I guess: Doing the same thing (paying ZoS money) over and over, expecting a different result (better performance).

Fortunately I stopped doing that since DB...

Pixel_Zealot

Tandor wrote: »

I can certainly see that as with any game or other product, if there are people for whom ESO has become unplayable, or even simply unenjoyable, yet they continue to pay for it then the wisdom. However, attempting to tar everyone with the same brush is absurd because for most players the game falls somewhere between running flawlessly and running reasonably subject to some intermittent issues that aren't game-breaking.

Threads like this tend to run to a couple of pages or so, and if they're more specifically titled in relation to common issues then they can run overnight to four or five pages. I've played plenty of games where the problems were so universally experienced that threads would go overnight into triple figures!

Personally, I don't have any significant issues with the game and am happy to continue playing it and paying two subscriptions for it, but if I was having half the problems some players report then I'd obviously have that under review!

Couldn't agree more with everything @Trandor said. My biggest problem with the community, which I see in every single thread, is when someone is mentioning/talking/complaining/raging/ranting about an issue they experience, loads of players will swamp in and say "it's running fine for me" - the community can't expect the devs/support to care about issues when they don't.

If I didn't have the issues I'm currently having with ESO, then I would have gladly gotten 4 subs (for me, my partner, my brother and my pet fish). But unfortunately, the issues I'm having are game breaking. Trying to contact support has convinced me to cancel my sub, and probably uninstall soon.

PS: Yes I know, no one cares.

KingMagaw

Same as me

I run 2 guild banks so 1000 spaces and 15 characters so i can semi cope with inventory management that has been purposely engineered to force more to subscribe for any sort of QoL.

Like @Kelces said above. Insane is an apt description. Performance is decreasing and more content is rushed out that is easily exploitable. Hardly something to invest in.

Coupled with the distinct impression i have over the years that ZOS have a distaste with interacting with the community and will push out whatever they see fit.

Elsonso

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Kelces wrote: »

Insane would be the right word, I guess: Doing the same thing (paying ZoS money) over and over, expecting a different result (better performance).

I tell people: Don't buy ESO, or subscribe to ESO Plus, or buy Crowns, as some sort of investment.

I suggest that people only buy Crowns and ESO Plus from ZOS based on what they have delivered, not based on what is coming, or what is hoped to be coming. Expect nothing more than what you already have.

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

My biggest problem with the community, which I see in every single thread, is when someone is mentioning/talking/complaining/raging/ranting about an issue they experience, loads of players will swamp in and say "it's running fine for me" - the community can't expect the devs/support to care about issues when they don't.

It isn't a matter of caring. To me, it is a matter of determining the scope of the problem. While some of the people in the thread really don't care about anyone not having the problem, others coming into the thread may be wondering whether this is something that they are going to be seeing soon. If they are not seeing the problem, and see that others are not seeing the problem, maybe they don't have to worry about it suddenly appearing.

Anyway... I am just as likely to chime in with a "me too" as I am with a "no problem here". I will certainly never falsely claim "no problem here" just to make ZOS look better. ZOS can take care of themselves.

Defilted

90% of the time my game performance is good. I really only have issues in shor when I am in a big battle at a keep or scroll run battle(if it is large). My issue is currently the screen freeze that requires a reset.

I do not Trial much, though when I was doing at least the normal trials before I bought the XBOX 1 X and upgraded to the SSD I did see some performance issues. After the console/SSD purchase the game performance is good like I said 90% of the time. In the few trials I have been in since upgrading the performance is fine.There is some texture issues but this is not effecting the trial game play.

I am sure that performance will vary greatly based on hardware/internet connection/LAN/server resources.

inthecoconut

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

PS: Yes I know, no one cares.

I care.

Kiralyn2000

Palidon wrote: »

Wonder why ZOS has had so many ESO-Plus Free Weekends..

The thing is, more frequent Free ESO+ events make it easier for me to not bother subbing. I can easily manage all the crafting mats I gather between events, and then use the event let me refine it all into the craft bag & decorate my houses.


edit: that said.... I bought the game a year & a half ago. I subbed for a couple months while I played heavily. Since then, I've bought a 3k crown pack (last Black Friday sale) and Summerset (+ Morrowind) pre-order. I still have 3.5k crowns that I haven't used (all I've bought is TG/DB dlcs on sale, and a couple cheap costumes.)

And performance-wise... I've seen the disappearing texture glitch twice, in Summerset. Once annoying, once amusing. Other than that, I'm fine. But that's just me. /shrug

ADarklore

Aliyavana wrote: »

I have no problems in dungeons and the only performance issue I see is in vivec and that is the most populated campaign

Just last night with Vivec pop-locked on all three alliances I had ZERO performance issues even when facing large zergs. So it makes me wonder if sometimes it's the player's internet connection or hardware... I run a newer gaming rig with 25Mb/s speed.

I also know that a lot of issues (disappearing walls/assets come to mind) have occurred since they upgraded how 'multi-core' processors handle the game with Summerset launch. I have no doubt many issues we have been dealing with since Summerset are directly due to that particular change and hopefully ZOS can get a handle on it... but I have my doubts... it did take them an extra year just to get consoles to work with ESO and even then, we see today that consoles still suffer with major on-going problems.

Olen_Mikko

ADarklore wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

I have no problems in dungeons and the only performance issue I see is in vivec and that is the most populated campaign

Just last night with Vivec pop-locked on all three alliances I had ZERO performance issues even when facing large zergs. So it makes me wonder if sometimes it's the player's internet connection or hardware... I run a newer gaming rig with 25Mb/s speed.

I also know that a lot of issues (disappearing walls/assets come to mind) have occurred since they upgraded how 'multi-core' processors handle the game with Summerset launch. I have no doubt many issues we have been dealing with since Summerset are directly due to that particular change and hopefully ZOS can get a handle on it... but I have my doubts... it did take them an extra year just to get consoles to work with ESO and even then, we see today that consoles still suffer with major on-going problems.

I have 110M cable connection and still have latency issues. Speedtest gives me around 85M download speed, while watching netflix.

It makes me wonder if it is the ZOS end that is underperforming

Elwendryll

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

I have 110M cable connection and still have latency issues. Speedtest gives me around 85M download speed, while watching netflix.

It makes me wonder if it is the ZOS end that is underperforming

You know that bandwith and ping are two separate values, right?

Olen_Mikko

Elwendryll wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

I have 110M cable connection and still have latency issues. Speedtest gives me around 85M download speed, while watching netflix.

It makes me wonder if it is the ZOS end that is underperforming

You know that bandwith and ping are two separate values, right?

Of course i do.

Cpt_Teemo

bellatrixed wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

ESO is dying

We're all dying
All MMOs die eventually
Nothing lasts forever

But if ESO is on its deathbed I'm a shoe.

UO seems to be lasting forever, 21 years and counting

tinythinker

No white knighting necessary to point out that "the game is dying" has always been an overly dramatic way that some players express their personal displeasure with a game or its developers. According to forum threads going back to PC launch, ESO has died on average every 4-6 weeks.

Plenty of reasons to be critical, but "the game is dying" remarks undercut the seriousness of criticisms.

ZOS_Mika

Because this thread has derailed and hasn't been terribly constructive, we have decided to close it down. Thank you for your understanding.