Let us decon potions!

Mureel

Should we be allowed to decon potions?

Jaimeh

Mureel wrote: »

Should we be allowed to decon potions?

That would be great because alchemy reagents are some of the most useful and always in demand materials. However, I don't see how this could be justified, since presumably the alchemical process is irreversible.

Mureel

Yes

Jaimeh wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Should we be allowed to decon potions?

That would be great because alchemy reagents are some of the most useful and always in demand materials. However, I don't see how this could be justified, since presumably the alchemical process is irreversible.

How about with magic? xD Really though - there's a way, I'm sure.

Also the junk ones could be used to advance inspiration for levelling alchemy, rather than having to use pricey/precious flowers 4x each.

Especially since CH especially, as well as other lowbie zones and even Craglorn are being stripmined by bots and lowbie farmers. I mean there are lvl 10s and even less farming Craglorn now - due to the battle levelling.

It will likely never happen, because ZOS has bigger things to nerf, but yeah.

Tasear

No

as much as I would like it to...it just doesn't make sense. I personally iam more for farming in house idea that comes around.

umagon

From a chemistry stand point I could only see breaking them down into their various chemical components. If you mean deconstructing them back into the plants or fungi they were created from; I don’t see how that would make sense. I know they stretch logic a bit with blacksmithing and the others. Following normal logic, a potion could decon into 100s of different chemicals.

xxthir13enxx

Yes

Well obviously you would just add a neutralizing agent n presto changeO
Okay...maybe not that easy....

Mureel

Yes

Or into dust. Same as jewellery.

I know for a fact as a real life herbalist, that we can get constituents back out of tinctures...so - dust then, of whatever flower. 10x dust makes 1x flower.

Elwendryll

No

How do you... unbrew... anything?
Like... Uncook boiled spider eggs?

Mureel

Yes

Also, 'no' in case of other also non existent and never considered by ZOS possibilities are just kinda off.

More options are always better than fewer options, and this has nothing to do with anything else.

I don't think it's awesome that we get so much cloudy garbage and junk health pots littering the loot table and all we can do is vendor.

Apherius

Yes

Hum, pretty difficult to explain, i don't have enough english vocabulary for this, I will just post this picture.




We can see that there is something that look like a separating funnel on the alchemy station.
It would require an agent like " salt " or anything.

Mureel

Yes

Yeps!

Mureel

Yes

Elwendryll wrote: »

How do you... unbrew... anything?
Like... Uncook boiled spider eggs?

Like the one who posted the image, there certainly are real life ways of extracting constituents from prepared concoctions.

A lot to explain, but there are several methods irl.

All we'd need in game is one magical one. ;-)

Ragged_Claw

Yes

Hermione Granger can do it, so my mage should be able to as well. It would be great to do something with all those stacks of stamina potiions...

Mureel

Yes

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Well obviously you would just add a neutralizing agent n presto changeO
Okay...maybe not that easy....

lol my new fave poster!

Mureel

Yes

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Well obviously you would just add a neutralizing agent n presto changeO
Okay...maybe not that easy....

The agent could even drop on alchemy nodes, so that plant farmers don't have to lose their minds!

Mureel

Yes

Elwendryll wrote: »

How do you... unbrew... anything?
Like... Uncook boiled spider eggs?

Everyone knows you don't cook spider eggs! This diminishes their potency!

Kuramas9tails

Yes

Furnishing items too plz.

logarifmik

No

Sure, but only when OP will demonstrate us, how he obtain a lemon from a lemon juice.

Mureel

Yes

logarifmik wrote: »

Sure, but only when OP will demonstrate us, how he obtain a lemon from a lemon juice.

Can definitely get citric acid from lemon juice. What's the difference at the end of the day between this and chucking whole flowers in a pot with water? Nothing.

Do you just chuck whole lemons in some water with sugar and call it lemonade?

My 10yo daughter has successfully extracted citric acid from lemon juice.

shadowwraith666

which ingredients would it give? all alchemy effects exist on multiple ingredients, decon for blacksmithing/clothing etc gives the mats used for it's creation, in alchemy there are many combinations to make even the simplest restore health potion.

Mureel

Yes

shadowwraith666 wrote: »

which ingredients would it give? all alchemy effects exist on multiple ingredients, decon for blacksmithing/clothing etc gives the mats used for it's creation, in alchemy there are many combinations to make even the simplest restore health potion.

How about powders of flowers, randomly? Much rather decon and see, than vendor. Would be super nice!

Sparr0w

Yes

All up for this, I mean other crafts stretch whats technically possible, why not alchemy. Also be up for being able to plant stuff in houses too

Mureel

Yes

The decon could even drop gold mats like the gold powder for the psijic recipes, which would be cool!

snackrat

No

Even if we ignored convention and let you unbake this cake, a given potion (esp with only one or two effects) can be made with a variety of ingredients, but still ultimately produce the same itemID.

I can understand wanting somewhere to dump excess potions from writs and drops other than a trader, but unless you can think of a reason for anybody to use 'Noxious Slag' as a crafting mat, ain't happening.

Mureel

Yes

snackrat wrote: »

Even if we ignored convention and let you unbake this cake, a given potion (esp with only one or two effects) can be made with a variety of ingredients, but still ultimately produce the same itemID.

I can understand wanting somewhere to dump excess potions from writs and drops other than a trader, but unless you can think of a reason for anybody to use 'Noxious Slag' as a crafting mat, ain't happening.

And usually, they do not make the same item. Timings of buffs and levels of regen are different and anyway so what if they did?

All potions could just drop powders of any flowers or other ingredients used to make them.

They could also drop the alchemical dust or w/e.

I've given possible ideas above, as have others.

If you don't agree, that's cool!

It's likely not happening anyway.

Ragged_Claw

Yes

So my mage can't magically unmake a potion but she can summon creatures from beyond and zap your face off with lightning. Science eh? Amazing.

Mureel

Yes

Sparr0w wrote: »

All up for this, I mean other crafts stretch whats technically possible, why not alchemy. Also be up for being able to plant stuff in houses too

Yeah I agree! Why not let us plant a herb garden?

Inhuman003

Yes

Yes, this will work well now I can see Garden skill line coming to crafting soon.

Priyasekarssk

Yes

Mureel wrote: »

Should we be allowed to decon potions?

But for your information. ZOs never buff alchemy reagants as long as its part of crown sales. Alchemy reagants are always hard to get and never be fixed. Remember crown sales & guilds !!!

srfrogg23

No

Deconstructing potions would not make sense. They’re well mixed solutions of liquid.

It would be like unscrambling an egg. I only know of one person who can unscramble eggs, Chuck Norris, and it would be blasphemous to give players that kind of power.

I vote No!

Acrolas

No

umagon wrote: »

I don’t see how that would make sense. I know they stretch logic a bit with blacksmithing and the others.

They really don't. You never net the amount of materials used when you deconstruct. So you're recovering a few refined mats unaffected by chemical changes, recoverable raw trait/style material, and a few tempers that can be filtered back out of the raw mass of the item.

Because of the chemical change into a solution, though the supernate will never be pure water or oil again, and the precipitate will never resemble the plant it came from.

That's the substantial difference. Alchemy and Provisioning use raw items not refined items. If you had to refine alchemy mats into a paste or powder, then the deconstruction would make a little more sense and you'd get maybe 1 unit of powder that you could dry and reuse. But that's asking to complicate the system to jewelry's level. Why would I want to refine 10 bugloss into a powdered bugloss just so I can get maybe 1 bugloss powder back every few potions?

The inability to deconstruct is just a balance for the system's relative simplicity.