Can we please get rid of or increase the Transmute Crystals Cap from 200?

Twohothardware

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The-Baconator wrote: »

What bothers me the most is I really don't see why ZOS would have a problem with people holding more than 200 crystals at once. You can already hold thousands if you stash them in alts, it just makes it more painful to do so.

It's been said plenty of times in other threads (and by ZOS) ... so I'll repeat it:

The transmute system (and stone cap) exists to provide a "finish line" for players running content. For players not getting gear in their desired trait during said content runs.

The transmute system does not exist as a substitute for players running content.

Personally, I've never had issues with excess geodes clogging inventory ... because I've always found a use for transmute stones.

In fact, I'm pretty stone starved right now due to character builds that will have to be revamped when Wolfhunter drops.

Other forum-goers have posted what they do with transmute stones. Just do a simple search in the forums.

I get a lot of Transmute stones because I PvP on multiple characters and I don't want to be constantly forced to just hunt for something in my bank to Transmute that I may never even use just so that I can free up the 15+ slots on my Character being held by uncracked geodes.

There's no reason for a max cap at 200, if there is ZOS please feel free to try and explain it. It's not slowing progress or making it so that you don't Transmute as many items. The only thing it does is take up a lot of Inventory space holding all the extra ones you get past 200 and then when you do need to Transmute a bunch of items you're having to go swapping back and forth between Characters to get the unopened Crystals off them.

Mystrius_Archaion

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Just have no cap so we can stockpile. There's no need for it

I agree with this since this is especially necessary to replace jewelry crafting. We're not bothering with making or upgrading jewelry. We're still using the same dropped sets for jewelry but now we can trait change to the new better options.

Mystrius_Archaion

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

I understand the idea of rewards existing as an incentive to run content, but the converse is also true - if you can't use the reward, it's a disincentive to run the content.

@baratron, if you think the only use for transmute stones is for changing the trait on set gear, then you are certainly welcome to place that limitation on yourself ... which ignores the advice other forum-goers have posted.

What advice? Are there actually people saying "transmute non-set pieces that have no bonus" as if that suddenly makes them much stronger without a set bonus??!!

You may want to rethink that, or just stop trying to think as you seem to have blown a fuse or had a bulb burn out upstairs.

baratron

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

I understand the idea of rewards existing as an incentive to run content, but the converse is also true - if you can't use the reward, it's a disincentive to run the content.

@baratron, if you think the only use for transmute stones is for changing the trait on set gear, then you are certainly welcome to place that limitation on yourself ... which ignores the advice other forum-goers have posted.

What advice? Are there actually people saying "transmute non-set pieces that have no bonus" as if that suddenly makes them much stronger without a set bonus??!!

Yeah, I'm mystified because transmuted pieces are not only Bound to your account, they are also locked to prevent you from using them for research on another character. So you can't transmute a crappy Iron Sword to Nirnhoned and then use that as a free trait research item.

And unless things have changed since the first or second Clockwork City PTS, you can't decon a transmuted item to get the new style stone out, so it's not a source of free Potent Nirncrux either. (Although an Xbox One player says that he's done it, so I'll have to try it on the current PTS, which is the only place I'll have spare Transmutation Crystals.)

Mystrius_Archaion

baratron wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

I understand the idea of rewards existing as an incentive to run content, but the converse is also true - if you can't use the reward, it's a disincentive to run the content.

@baratron, if you think the only use for transmute stones is for changing the trait on set gear, then you are certainly welcome to place that limitation on yourself ... which ignores the advice other forum-goers have posted.

What advice? Are there actually people saying "transmute non-set pieces that have no bonus" as if that suddenly makes them much stronger without a set bonus??!!

Yeah, I'm mystified because transmuted pieces are not only Bound to your account, they are also locked to prevent you from using them for research on another character. So you can't transmute a crappy Iron Sword to Nirnhoned and then use that as a free trait research item.

Actually, you can trade it to your own alts in the bank. "Bound" only means account bound. You're confusing that with "character bound" which is different and wouldn't let you bank it and take it on another character of your own.

I hadn't checked to see if they were locked, but I don't think so.

pdebie64b16_ESO

Iam more worried about the rewards of the worthy, my mail box is full of them and i can open only one each day for the geode.

baratron

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

I understand the idea of rewards existing as an incentive to run content, but the converse is also true - if you can't use the reward, it's a disincentive to run the content.

@baratron, if you think the only use for transmute stones is for changing the trait on set gear, then you are certainly welcome to place that limitation on yourself ... which ignores the advice other forum-goers have posted.

What advice? Are there actually people saying "transmute non-set pieces that have no bonus" as if that suddenly makes them much stronger without a set bonus??!!

Yeah, I'm mystified because transmuted pieces are not only Bound to your account, they are also locked to prevent you from using them for research on another character. So you can't transmute a crappy Iron Sword to Nirnhoned and then use that as a free trait research item.

Actually, you can trade it to your own alts in the bank. "Bound" only means account bound. You're confusing that with "character bound" which is different and wouldn't let you bank it and take it on another character of your own.

I hadn't checked to see if they were locked, but I don't think so.

No, I don't mean Character Bound. I mean locked.

"This item cannot be researched because it has been transmuted."


However, transmuting weapons to Nirnhoned and then deconning them does seem to provide free Potent Nirncrux now. So I suppose that's the answer for what to do with Transmute Crystals over the limit.

_Ahala_

Originally it had a cap of 200 because transmutation costed 40 and this a cap of 200 would allow you to transmute one full set at a time... when the transmutation cost was increased to 50 I expected the cap to rise to 250 but that didn’t happen... honestly though a cap of 500 would be much more bearable if they are insisting on having one

Drakkdjinn

+1

Twohothardware

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Originally it had a cap of 200 because transmutation costed 40 and this a cap of 200 would allow you to transmute one full set at a time... when the transmutation cost was increased to 50 I expected the cap to rise to 250 but that didn’t happen... honestly though a cap of 500 would be much more bearable if they are insisting on having one

A default cap of 250 with 500 for ESO+ would be a reasonable change. It would at least allow you to bank enough so the average person didn't need to Transmute things so often to keep from hitting the cap. I know I would still hit the cap even at 500 but it would be much more manageable.

Taleof2Cities

Twohothardware wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Originally it had a cap of 200 because transmutation costed 40 and this a cap of 200 would allow you to transmute one full set at a time... when the transmutation cost was increased to 50 I expected the cap to rise to 250 but that didn’t happen... honestly though a cap of 500 would be much more bearable if they are insisting on having one

A default cap of 250 with 500 for ESO+ would be a reasonable change. It would at least allow you to bank enough so the average person didn't need to Transmute things so often to keep from hitting the cap. I know I would still hit the cap even at 500 but it would be much more manageable.

That's exactly the issue, though, isn't it?

If you personally think you don't have any use for transmute stones (exhibited by stockpiling many geodes away in inventory), why do you care about a cap on stones?

Twohothardware

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Originally it had a cap of 200 because transmutation costed 40 and this a cap of 200 would allow you to transmute one full set at a time... when the transmutation cost was increased to 50 I expected the cap to rise to 250 but that didn’t happen... honestly though a cap of 500 would be much more bearable if they are insisting on having one

A default cap of 250 with 500 for ESO+ would be a reasonable change. It would at least allow you to bank enough so the average person didn't need to Transmute things so often to keep from hitting the cap. I know I would still hit the cap even at 500 but it would be much more manageable.

That's exactly the issue, though, isn't it?

If you personally think you don't have any use for transmute stones (exhibited by stockpiling many geodes away in inventory), why do you care about a cap on stones?

Because the uncracked geodes take up a lot of my inventory space on characters, especially during Events like the last one where we get dozens of Reward Boxes that include Transmute Crystals. I want to Transmute items when I'm ready to put the build together and not have to hunt for things to Transmute at that moment just to free up inventory slots.

John_Falstaff

baratron wrote: »

However, transmuting weapons to Nirnhoned and then deconning them does seem to provide free Potent Nirncrux now. So I suppose that's the answer for what to do with Transmute Crystals over the limit.

I may be missing something here terribly, but is there a point doing it? Considering that the process of transmutation uses one piece of Potent Nirncrux to begin with, not just crystals.

baratron

John_Falstaff wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

However, transmuting weapons to Nirnhoned and then deconning them does seem to provide free Potent Nirncrux now. So I suppose that's the answer for what to do with Transmute Crystals over the limit.

I may be missing something here terribly, but is there a point doing it? Considering that the process of transmutation uses one piece of Potent Nirncrux to begin with, not just crystals.

Transmutation doesn't use a trait stone, that's the whole point. I just checked on PTS. 6 Potent Nirncrux before transmutation, 6 Potent Nirncrux after transmutation.

Taleof2Cities

baratron wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

However, transmuting weapons to Nirnhoned and then deconning them does seem to provide free Potent Nirncrux now. So I suppose that's the answer for what to do with Transmute Crystals over the limit.

I may be missing something here terribly, but is there a point doing it? Considering that the process of transmutation uses one piece of Potent Nirncrux to begin with, not just crystals.

Transmutation doesn't use a trait stone, that's the whole point. I just checked on PTS. 6 Potent Nirncrux before transmutation, 6 Potent Nirncrux after transmutation.

Glad to see you’re catching on, @baratron.

Note that decon of transmuted nirn items is just like any other deconnable item ... so it’s not a 100% chance of harvesting the nirncrux every time.

But, with the crafting passive fully maxed, the chances are still quite good.

Twohothardware

33 Agreements so far ZOS. Keep posting guys for an increased or removed Transmute Crystal Cap.

jaws343

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Originally it had a cap of 200 because transmutation costed 40 and this a cap of 200 would allow you to transmute one full set at a time... when the transmutation cost was increased to 50 I expected the cap to rise to 250 but that didn’t happen... honestly though a cap of 500 would be much more bearable if they are insisting on having one

A default cap of 250 with 500 for ESO+ would be a reasonable change. It would at least allow you to bank enough so the average person didn't need to Transmute things so often to keep from hitting the cap. I know I would still hit the cap even at 500 but it would be much more manageable.

That's exactly the issue, though, isn't it?

If you personally think you don't have any use for transmute stones (exhibited by stockpiling many geodes away in inventory), why do you care about a cap on stones?

I think you are conflating no use of transmuation stones with no use right now. I don't have a use for them now, but that doesn't mean that I won't need them this weekend when I want to test out a new build or change my overland jewelry to a new trait.

I said this before, with the addition of jewelry crafting and jewelry trait change, the only way to get jewelry in certain traits is to transmute. This wasn't the case with armor and weapons when the cap was instituted, you could find gear in the right trait you needed. But you cannot do that with jewelry.

Jewelry crafting is the necessary reason that the cap needs to be removed or increased.

dodgehopper_ESO

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

It's self regulating the way it is. You get to choose between whether the stones or the space is worth more to you.

It's enough to transmute 4 items, and not like stones are hard to come by. So use them, store them, delete them, or whatever you need to do.

If you're capped, it means you don't have anything you want to transmute right now, so I fail to see the issue.

(100 sucks a bit, but that's intended to be incentive to have ESO+)

This game doesn't have enough space as is.

Taleof2Cities

jaws343 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Originally it had a cap of 200 because transmutation costed 40 and this a cap of 200 would allow you to transmute one full set at a time... when the transmutation cost was increased to 50 I expected the cap to rise to 250 but that didn’t happen... honestly though a cap of 500 would be much more bearable if they are insisting on having one

A default cap of 250 with 500 for ESO+ would be a reasonable change. It would at least allow you to bank enough so the average person didn't need to Transmute things so often to keep from hitting the cap. I know I would still hit the cap even at 500 but it would be much more manageable.

That's exactly the issue, though, isn't it?

If you personally think you don't have any use for transmute stones (exhibited by stockpiling many geodes away in inventory), why do you care about a cap on stones?

I think you are conflating no use of transmuation stones with no use right now. I don't have a use for them now, but that doesn't mean that I won't need them this weekend when I want to test out a new build or change my overland jewelry to a new trait.

I said this before, with the addition of jewelry crafting and jewelry trait change, the only way to get jewelry in certain traits is to transmute. This wasn't the case with armor and weapons when the cap was instituted, you could find gear in the right trait you needed. But you cannot do that with jewelry.

Jewelry crafting is the necessary reason that the cap needs to be removed or increased.

Let's assume you need to transmute an entire gear set this weekend (including jewelry).

Four (4) pieces can be transmuted from banked transmute stones (200 stones).

The other ten (10) pieces comes from banked end of campaign rewards geodes (50 stones each).

This assumes all pieces of the gear set are the wrong trait.

Where is the inconvenience of the stone cap or inventory in this equation?

Taleof2Cities

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

It's self regulating the way it is. You get to choose between whether the stones or the space is worth more to you.

It's enough to transmute 4 items, and not like stones are hard to come by. So use them, store them, delete them, or whatever you need to do.

If you're capped, it means you don't have anything you want to transmute right now, so I fail to see the issue.

(100 sucks a bit, but that's intended to be incentive to have ESO+)

This game doesn't have enough space as is.

Ahh ... another fallacy that's lazily put out in the forums for consumption.

Here's how much inventory space players actually have without the crafting bag:

- 15 characters with in-game gold or crown purchased bag upgrades (up to 140 each character) = 2,100 slots
- Mount bag space upgrades (15 mounts x 60) = 900 slots
- Personal bank space (with upgrades & ESO+) = 480 slots
- Home storage bins = 360 slots

Total: 3,840

Personal Guild Banks = 500 slots each (up to 2,500); limit of 5 guild banks


If a player doesn't have any personal guild banks, we're still approaching 3,900 inventory slots ... not including the crafting bag or stacked inventory.

So, the first question for any player feeling constricted on inventory ... have you hit 3,840 character and bank slots yet? Even without ESO+ you’d only subtract the double bank space (240 slots).

If you can't manage what you have in that allotment of inventory slots that's your own fault [shrug].

Twohothardware

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Originally it had a cap of 200 because transmutation costed 40 and this a cap of 200 would allow you to transmute one full set at a time... when the transmutation cost was increased to 50 I expected the cap to rise to 250 but that didn’t happen... honestly though a cap of 500 would be much more bearable if they are insisting on having one

A default cap of 250 with 500 for ESO+ would be a reasonable change. It would at least allow you to bank enough so the average person didn't need to Transmute things so often to keep from hitting the cap. I know I would still hit the cap even at 500 but it would be much more manageable.

That's exactly the issue, though, isn't it?

If you personally think you don't have any use for transmute stones (exhibited by stockpiling many geodes away in inventory), why do you care about a cap on stones?

I think you are conflating no use of transmuation stones with no use right now. I don't have a use for them now, but that doesn't mean that I won't need them this weekend when I want to test out a new build or change my overland jewelry to a new trait.

I said this before, with the addition of jewelry crafting and jewelry trait change, the only way to get jewelry in certain traits is to transmute. This wasn't the case with armor and weapons when the cap was instituted, you could find gear in the right trait you needed. But you cannot do that with jewelry.

Jewelry crafting is the necessary reason that the cap needs to be removed or increased.

Let's assume you need to transmute an entire gear set this weekend (including jewelry).

Four (4) pieces can be transmuted from banked transmute stones (200 stones).

The other ten (10) pieces comes from banked end of campaign rewards geodes (50 stones each).

This assumes all pieces of the gear set are the wrong trait.

Where is the inconvenience of the stone cap or inventory in this equation?

The vast majority of transmute crystals you get come in the quantity of 1-5 crystals, not 50. I get tons of them from the "Rewards of the Worthy!" packages, running Random Dungeons, the Daily Undaunted Pledges, and especially during the Special Events where there are reward boxes.

As someone that does have near 15 characters this is just annoying to deal with swapping back and forth between characters all the time to clear out my mail inbox that is constantly full because if I open the attachments on my main characters I'm stuck with all the transmute crystals I can't open until I find something to Transmute.

There's just no reason for it. None at all. The cap does absolutely nothing. It is not slowing progress or limiting the number of items you can Transmute. People are not deleting their extra Transmute Crystals when they already have 100 (200 for ESO+). They're just dealing with the inventory space being taken up and saving them.

Remove the cap altogether or at least increase it to 500 or even 1000. It doesn't change the number of Transmute Crystals we get, just the number that are for no reason blocking inventory space.

Twohothardware

ZOS, this is an easy quality of life change this PTS with no good argument to keep it at 200. Remove Transmute cap or increase it from where it is now.

IZZEFlameLash

Just make geodes stack at the very least.

Twohothardware

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Just make geodes stack at the very least.

Can't make them stack because they all have different amounts of Crystals.

Haquor

starkerealm wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

Just start transmuting things...

That's what I was told, on the subject. If the cap is an issue, use your crystals to transmute stuff.

What stuff so you suggest we transmute? The stuff we dont have yet that we are grinding for? Or some random set we have but dont ever plan to use?

Youre talking about throwing them away. This argument is rediculous
If we had stuff to transmite right now we would be using them. Anything else is waste.

LiquidPony

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

However, transmuting weapons to Nirnhoned and then deconning them does seem to provide free Potent Nirncrux now. So I suppose that's the answer for what to do with Transmute Crystals over the limit.

I may be missing something here terribly, but is there a point doing it? Considering that the process of transmutation uses one piece of Potent Nirncrux to begin with, not just crystals.

Transmutation doesn't use a trait stone, that's the whole point. I just checked on PTS. 6 Potent Nirncrux before transmutation, 6 Potent Nirncrux after transmutation.

Glad to see you’re catching on, @baratron.

Note that decon of transmuted nirn items is just like any other deconnable item ... so it’s not a 100% chance of harvesting the nirncrux every time.

But, with the crafting passive fully maxed, the chances are still quite good.

I've always thought this "trick" of transmuting to Nirnhoned just to decon for Nirncrux was incredibly silly.

A Potent Nirncrux costs, what, maybe 10k?

How long does it take to earn 50 transmute crystals?

How long does it take to earn 10k gold?

I guess if you're sitting on transmute crystals that you never plan on using it makes sense, but for me, I'd rather bank the geodes and have the transmute crystals when I need them.

Wuuffyy

Tf is this cap even for?

Taleof2Cities

LiquidPony wrote: »

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I've always thought this "trick" of transmuting to Nirnhoned just to decon for Nirncrux was incredibly silly.

A Potent Nirncrux costs, what, maybe 10k?

How long does it take to earn 50 transmute crystals?

How long does it take to earn 10k gold?

I guess if you're sitting on transmute crystals that you never plan on using it makes sense, but for me, I'd rather bank the geodes and have the transmute crystals when I need them.

The time it takes to earn transmute stones is irrelevant if you don’t plan on using them.

I have yet to see a solid argument in this thread on why the cap should be raised or lifted.

I only see two forms of whining:

a. “I don’t have enough inventory slots to bank geodes after the cap.”

b. “I don’t know when I’m going to use transmute stones on a gear set ... but I refuse to use or discard extra stones over the amount needed for said gear set.”

The-Baconator

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

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I've always thought this "trick" of transmuting to Nirnhoned just to decon for Nirncrux was incredibly silly.

A Potent Nirncrux costs, what, maybe 10k?

How long does it take to earn 50 transmute crystals?

How long does it take to earn 10k gold?

I guess if you're sitting on transmute crystals that you never plan on using it makes sense, but for me, I'd rather bank the geodes and have the transmute crystals when I need them.

The time it takes to earn transmute stones is irrelevant if you don’t plan on using them.

I have yet to see a solid argument in this thread on why the cap should be raised or lifted.

I only see two forms of whining:

a. “I don’t have enough inventory slots to bank geodes after the cap.”

b. “I don’t know when I’m going to use transmute stones on a gear set ... but I refuse to use or discard extra stones over the amount needed for said gear set.”

To put it as simply as possible for you,

1. The cap is essentially a soft cap on crystals that only makes it tedious to have more than 200 while allowing you to potentially have more than you could ever use.

2. The main reason you and others have identified for this, mainly that this intended to keep the requirement that people actually do the content instead of instantly having the gear, doesn't make sense. If I want to transmute a Heem-Jas weapon I need to farm the weapon first. All having a higher cap does is make it more convenient to start transmuting things once I want to.

This means the ultimate purpose of limiting crystals isn't actually served by limited crystals while the limit itself is nothing more than a bit of tedium endured by the player who has to keep track of the geodes\jump around between alts to make use of them. It's not a big issue but it's less of an issue than having people with +1500 transmute crystals in an account pool.

jaws343

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

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I've always thought this "trick" of transmuting to Nirnhoned just to decon for Nirncrux was incredibly silly.

A Potent Nirncrux costs, what, maybe 10k?

How long does it take to earn 50 transmute crystals?

How long does it take to earn 10k gold?

I guess if you're sitting on transmute crystals that you never plan on using it makes sense, but for me, I'd rather bank the geodes and have the transmute crystals when I need them.

The time it takes to earn transmute stones is irrelevant if you don’t plan on using them.

I have yet to see a solid argument in this thread on why the cap should be raised or lifted.

I only see two forms of whining:

a. “I don’t have enough inventory slots to bank geodes after the cap.”

b. “I don’t know when I’m going to use transmute stones on a gear set ... but I refuse to use or discard extra stones over the amount needed for said gear set.”

Whining huh? I layed out a perfectly valid reason why the cap should go away. Jewelry Crafting. The only way to get overland gear in the new trait is to transmute. What possible reason could it be necessary to make this needlessly tedius to junp around between characters or take up inventory. Jewelry crafting makes Transmute Stone 100% necessary as a crafting material. Every 100% mandatory crafting material outside of transmute stones has no cap on it.

All your counter arguments are nonsense because all you are doing is trolling. A change to the cap has zero negatove effects on you or anyone else.