Bloodmoon set

exeeter702

Havent had the chance to hop on the pts yet. Can someone elaborate on the effects of the increased attack speed, and how it behaves along side the GCD.

With the buff active are you able to get 2 light attacks off between each ability use? Are you able to charge a heavy while not losing ability rotation speeds?

exeeter702

Damn, no one? Guess ill test myself when i get home.

DDuke

1. Doesn't affect GCDs at all - you still get one light attack inbetween abilities.
2. Doesn't increase heavy attack speed (which is a bit strange).
3. Has some interesting combo potential:

exeeter702

DDuke wrote: »

1. Doesn't affect GCDs at all - you still get one light attack inbetween abilities.
2. Doesn't increase heavy attack speed (which is a bit strange).
3. Has some interesting combo potential:

Could you elaborate. Based on your log im not sure if i see the combo potential. If the speed increase doesnt allow more than 1 light within the GCD, does it mean when the buff is active you will see a greater return by firing off light attacks back to back instead of weaving a spammable, since the speed buff would ostenibly result in getting more light attacks to fire within the 5 second frenzied duration than you would otherwise be able to?

I guess what im saying is, does the set buff incentivize stringing light attacks back to back when you become frenzied? Or does the speed buff effect the GCD overall? Or does the speed buff allow a second light attack to fit in between the standard GCD (which you said thats a negative). Otherwise im confused.

usmcjdking

exeeter702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

1. Doesn't affect GCDs at all - you still get one light attack inbetween abilities.
2. Doesn't increase heavy attack speed (which is a bit strange).
3. Has some interesting combo potential:

Could you elaborate. Based on your log im not sure if i see the combo potential. If the speed increase doesnt allow more than 1 light within the GCD, does it mean when the buff is active you will see a greater return by firing off light attacks back to back instead of weaving a spammable, since the speed buff would ostenibly result in getting more light attacks to fire within the 5 second frenzied duration than you would otherwise be able to?

I guess what im saying is, does the set buff incentivize stringing light attacks back to back when you become frenzied? Or does the speed buff effect the GCD overall? Or does the speed buff allow a second light attack to fit in between the standard GCD (which you said thats a negative). Otherwise im confused.

You don't see it?

He got off 4 light attacks in 1 second....

exeeter702

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

1. Doesn't affect GCDs at all - you still get one light attack inbetween abilities.
2. Doesn't increase heavy attack speed (which is a bit strange).
3. Has some interesting combo potential:

Could you elaborate. Based on your log im not sure if i see the combo potential. If the speed increase doesnt allow more than 1 light within the GCD, does it mean when the buff is active you will see a greater return by firing off light attacks back to back instead of weaving a spammable, since the speed buff would ostenibly result in getting more light attacks to fire within the 5 second frenzied duration than you would otherwise be able to?

I guess what im saying is, does the set buff incentivize stringing light attacks back to back when you become frenzied? Or does the speed buff effect the GCD overall? Or does the speed buff allow a second light attack to fit in between the standard GCD (which you said thats a negative). Otherwise im confused.

You don't see it?

He got off 4 light attacks in 1 second....

I didnt look at the time stamps. However if you are able to get 4 lights off in a second then you would naturally be able to get 2 lights off within the GCD which they said was not the case.

Avran_Sylt

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

1. Doesn't affect GCDs at all - you still get one light attack inbetween abilities.
2. Doesn't increase heavy attack speed (which is a bit strange).
3. Has some interesting combo potential:

Could you elaborate. Based on your log im not sure if i see the combo potential. If the speed increase doesnt allow more than 1 light within the GCD, does it mean when the buff is active you will see a greater return by firing off light attacks back to back instead of weaving a spammable, since the speed buff would ostenibly result in getting more light attacks to fire within the 5 second frenzied duration than you would otherwise be able to?

I guess what im saying is, does the set buff incentivize stringing light attacks back to back when you become frenzied? Or does the speed buff effect the GCD overall? Or does the speed buff allow a second light attack to fit in between the standard GCD (which you said thats a negative). Otherwise im confused.

You don't see it?

He got off 4 light attacks in 1 second....

Think of the WW LA bleeeeeeeed.

usmcjdking

exeeter702 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

1. Doesn't affect GCDs at all - you still get one light attack inbetween abilities.
2. Doesn't increase heavy attack speed (which is a bit strange).
3. Has some interesting combo potential:

Could you elaborate. Based on your log im not sure if i see the combo potential. If the speed increase doesnt allow more than 1 light within the GCD, does it mean when the buff is active you will see a greater return by firing off light attacks back to back instead of weaving a spammable, since the speed buff would ostenibly result in getting more light attacks to fire within the 5 second frenzied duration than you would otherwise be able to?

I guess what im saying is, does the set buff incentivize stringing light attacks back to back when you become frenzied? Or does the speed buff effect the GCD overall? Or does the speed buff allow a second light attack to fit in between the standard GCD (which you said thats a negative). Otherwise im confused.

You don't see it?

He got off 4 light attacks in 1 second....

I didnt look at the time stamps. However if you are able to get 4 lights off in a second then you would naturally be able to get 2 lights off within the GCD which they said was not the case.

Let's put it into context.

That 1 second parse which is unremarkable in damage instances did (3-5.7k light attacks) pulled 23k DPS. Without bloodmoon he likely would have not even broken 10k. The only thing I am accounting for in that 1 second is Light attacks and Storm master - nevermind any other dots.

phillyproduct

But how is it possible 2 light attack 4times but not 2times in a gcd?

usmcjdking

phillyproduct wrote: »

But how is it possible 2 light attack 4times but not 2times in a gcd?

It's a video game, not real life. There are dragons here. Just about anything is possible with a bit of savvy coding and ingenuity.

exeeter702

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

1. Doesn't affect GCDs at all - you still get one light attack inbetween abilities.
2. Doesn't increase heavy attack speed (which is a bit strange).
3. Has some interesting combo potential:

Could you elaborate. Based on your log im not sure if i see the combo potential. If the speed increase doesnt allow more than 1 light within the GCD, does it mean when the buff is active you will see a greater return by firing off light attacks back to back instead of weaving a spammable, since the speed buff would ostenibly result in getting more light attacks to fire within the 5 second frenzied duration than you would otherwise be able to?

I guess what im saying is, does the set buff incentivize stringing light attacks back to back when you become frenzied? Or does the speed buff effect the GCD overall? Or does the speed buff allow a second light attack to fit in between the standard GCD (which you said thats a negative). Otherwise im confused.

You don't see it?

He got off 4 light attacks in 1 second....

I didnt look at the time stamps. However if you are able to get 4 lights off in a second then you would naturally be able to get 2 lights off within the GCD which they said was not the case.

Let's put it into context.

That 1 second parse which is unremarkable in damage instances did (3-5.7k light attacks) pulled 23k DPS. Without bloodmoon he likely would have not even broken 10k.

Yes ofc, i understand the dps implications. If the speed is increased to the point where 4 lights can go out in 1 second, you should reasonbly assume 2 can fire within the GCD. I was curious if a standard rotation becomes light>light>skill>light>light>skill which was said to not be the case.

usmcjdking

exeeter702 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

1. Doesn't affect GCDs at all - you still get one light attack inbetween abilities.
2. Doesn't increase heavy attack speed (which is a bit strange).
3. Has some interesting combo potential:

Could you elaborate. Based on your log im not sure if i see the combo potential. If the speed increase doesnt allow more than 1 light within the GCD, does it mean when the buff is active you will see a greater return by firing off light attacks back to back instead of weaving a spammable, since the speed buff would ostenibly result in getting more light attacks to fire within the 5 second frenzied duration than you would otherwise be able to?

I guess what im saying is, does the set buff incentivize stringing light attacks back to back when you become frenzied? Or does the speed buff effect the GCD overall? Or does the speed buff allow a second light attack to fit in between the standard GCD (which you said thats a negative). Otherwise im confused.

You don't see it?

He got off 4 light attacks in 1 second....

I didnt look at the time stamps. However if you are able to get 4 lights off in a second then you would naturally be able to get 2 lights off within the GCD which they said was not the case.

Let's put it into context.

That 1 second parse which is unremarkable in damage instances did (3-5.7k light attacks) pulled 23k DPS. Without bloodmoon he likely would have not even broken 10k.

Yes ofc, i understand the dps implications. If the speed is increased to the point where 4 lights can go out in 1 second, you should reasonbly assume 2 can fire within the GCD. I was curious if a standard rotation becomes light>light>skill>light>light>skill which was said to not be the case.

Too early to tell ATM. The set has two proc conditions and needs an incredible amount of testing to determine rotation changes during the proc given the capabilities.

exeeter702

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

1. Doesn't affect GCDs at all - you still get one light attack inbetween abilities.
2. Doesn't increase heavy attack speed (which is a bit strange).
3. Has some interesting combo potential:

Could you elaborate. Based on your log im not sure if i see the combo potential. If the speed increase doesnt allow more than 1 light within the GCD, does it mean when the buff is active you will see a greater return by firing off light attacks back to back instead of weaving a spammable, since the speed buff would ostenibly result in getting more light attacks to fire within the 5 second frenzied duration than you would otherwise be able to?

I guess what im saying is, does the set buff incentivize stringing light attacks back to back when you become frenzied? Or does the speed buff effect the GCD overall? Or does the speed buff allow a second light attack to fit in between the standard GCD (which you said thats a negative). Otherwise im confused.

You don't see it?

He got off 4 light attacks in 1 second....

I didnt look at the time stamps. However if you are able to get 4 lights off in a second then you would naturally be able to get 2 lights off within the GCD which they said was not the case.

Let's put it into context.

That 1 second parse which is unremarkable in damage instances did (3-5.7k light attacks) pulled 23k DPS. Without bloodmoon he likely would have not even broken 10k.

Yes ofc, i understand the dps implications. If the speed is increased to the point where 4 lights can go out in 1 second, you should reasonbly assume 2 can fire within the GCD. I was curious if a standard rotation becomes light>light>skill>light>light>skill which was said to not be the case.

Too early to tell ATM. The set has two proc conditions and needs an incredible amount of testing to determine rotation changes during the proc given the capabilities.

Im not talking about optimized rotations. Its fine, im home now, once the pts finishes updating ill have my answer in a few minutes.

exeeter702

usmcjdking wrote: »

phillyproduct wrote: »

But how is it possible 2 light attack 4times but not 2times in a gcd?

It's a video game, not real life. There are dragons here. Just about anything is possible with a bit of savvy coding and ingenuity.

His question was a technical one. If the timing is set to allow 4 lights in a second, then that would mean you would naturally be able to fit 2 inside the GCD when the frenzied buff is active.

DDuke

exeeter702 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

phillyproduct wrote: »

But how is it possible 2 light attack 4times but not 2times in a gcd?

It's a video game, not real life. There are dragons here. Just about anything is possible with a bit of savvy coding and ingenuity.

His question was a technical one. If the timing is set to allow 4 lights in a second, then that would mean you would naturally be able to fit 2 inside the GCD when the frenzied buff is active.

Well, the problem becomes the animation of Surprise Attack - it's not canceled instantly even if you block/bash (there's a period afterwards during which you can't light attack or use skills) so you don't really have time for two light attacks afterwards before the global cooldown is over.

Or atleast I haven't been able to do that.

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

1. Doesn't affect GCDs at all - you still get one light attack inbetween abilities.
2. Doesn't increase heavy attack speed (which is a bit strange).
3. Has some interesting combo potential:

Could you elaborate. Based on your log im not sure if i see the combo potential. If the speed increase doesnt allow more than 1 light within the GCD, does it mean when the buff is active you will see a greater return by firing off light attacks back to back instead of weaving a spammable, since the speed buff would ostenibly result in getting more light attacks to fire within the 5 second frenzied duration than you would otherwise be able to?

I guess what im saying is, does the set buff incentivize stringing light attacks back to back when you become frenzied? Or does the speed buff effect the GCD overall? Or does the speed buff allow a second light attack to fit in between the standard GCD (which you said thats a negative). Otherwise im confused.

You don't see it?

He got off 4 light attacks in 1 second....

I didnt look at the time stamps. However if you are able to get 4 lights off in a second then you would naturally be able to get 2 lights off within the GCD which they said was not the case.

Let's put it into context.

That 1 second parse which is unremarkable in damage instances did (3-5.7k light attacks) pulled 23k DPS. Without bloodmoon he likely would have not even broken 10k. The only thing I am accounting for in that 1 second is Light attacks and Storm master - nevermind any other dots.

Yep, I just put on purple gear - I'll do some proper tests later with buffs & gold gear to see how much damage exactly I can get with those light attacks.

usmcjdking

TBH, this looks kinda like a PVE sustain set based of @DDuke post.

Set procs, afk light attack for 5 seconds to maintain DPS before resuming rotation. ~1600 stamina gain during the duration once every 18 seconds is no small amount - almost 200 regen worth. On something like a Redguard you could effectively ditch any cost redux/regen with that and use it elsewhere.

DDuke

usmcjdking wrote: »

TBH, this looks kinda like a PVE sustain set based of @DDuke post.

Set procs, afk light attack for 5 seconds to maintain DPS before resuming rotation. ~1600 stamina gain during the duration once every 18 seconds is no small amount - almost 200 regen worth. On something like a Redguard you could effectively ditch any cost redux/regen with that and use it elsewhere.

Yep, it also stacks up Relentless Focus pretty quick lol


I don't think it'll be very good in PvP unfortunately - gathering those stacks will be very difficult, especially when fighting someone who is dodging all your light attacks.

Worst case scenario, you get unlucky & nothing lands/crits for 8 seconds and you have to start all over again.

WrathOfInnos

Finally a set that can be paired with Molag Kena? This seems like the only way to make Kena proc without skipping a skill (for consecutive light attacks). And the cost increase shouldn’t matter if you are planning to just spam light attacks for a few seconds.

exeeter702

DDuke wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

phillyproduct wrote: »

But how is it possible 2 light attack 4times but not 2times in a gcd?

It's a video game, not real life. There are dragons here. Just about anything is possible with a bit of savvy coding and ingenuity.

His question was a technical one. If the timing is set to allow 4 lights in a second, then that would mean you would naturally be able to fit 2 inside the GCD when the frenzied buff is active.

Well, the problem becomes the animation of Surprise Attack - it's not canceled instantly even if you block/bash (there's a period afterwards during which you can't light attack or use skills) so you don't really have time for two light attacks afterwards before the global cooldown is over.

Or atleast I haven't been able to do that.

Yeah for sure, after using surprise attack which is an instant cast ability, the GCD goes off and you have that 1 second where no actions can be taken (excluding defensive actions and bar swap ofc). Was curious if you can fire off 2 lights into a skill in the same time you normally fire off a single light into a skill such as..

light>light>Ability(1sGCD refresh)>light>light>Ability(1sGCD refresh)

which encompasses the same timing (while frenzied) as

light>Ability(1sGCD refresh)>light>Ability(1sGCD refresh)

starkerealm

DDuke wrote: »

Yep, it also stacks up Relentless Focus pretty quick lol

In other words, expect this to be heavily tweaked before it hits live.

DDuke

exeeter702 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

phillyproduct wrote: »

But how is it possible 2 light attack 4times but not 2times in a gcd?

It's a video game, not real life. There are dragons here. Just about anything is possible with a bit of savvy coding and ingenuity.

His question was a technical one. If the timing is set to allow 4 lights in a second, then that would mean you would naturally be able to fit 2 inside the GCD when the frenzied buff is active.

Well, the problem becomes the animation of Surprise Attack - it's not canceled instantly even if you block/bash (there's a period afterwards during which you can't light attack or use skills) so you don't really have time for two light attacks afterwards before the global cooldown is over.

Or atleast I haven't been able to do that.

Yeah for sure, after using surprise attack which is an instant cast ability, the GCD goes off and you have that 1 second where no actions can be taken (excluding defensive actions and bar swap ofc). Was curious if you can fire off 2 lights into a skill in the same time you normally fire off a single light into a skill such as..

light>light>Ability(1sGCD refresh)>light>light>Ability(1sGCD refresh)

which encompasses the same timing (while frenzied) as

light>Ability(1sGCD refresh)>light>Ability(1sGCD refresh)

Light attacks are cancelled immediately though by the Surprise Attack, so if you go for a second light attack after GCD is over it's going to increase the time it takes for Surprise Attack to go off.

From what I've noticed it seems the set is simply decreasing the internal cooldown between light attacks.

Avran_Sylt

The concept of the set is sound. It effectively triples the amount of LA damage (twice, then one-half more), and Doubles on-hit effects. Tripling LA damage makes these LA's on par if not slightly stronger than a LA+SpamWeave (when stronger counts as the the bonus set-damage). And the double on-hit allows for synergy between sets or passives.

It probably will need some tweaking, but I'm unsure as to what it would need. (In all likelihood a removal of the 50% bonus light attack damage, and instead increasing the duration (With added duration based on quality), is what my gut tells me)

Bowser

Its a fun effect but having a build up and a long cooldown is just awful.

usmcjdking

Bowser wrote: »

Its a fun effect but having a build up and a long cooldown is just awful.

@Bowser I'm waiting for the 100k HP mend wounds spammable DK tank using bloodmoon build.


DELIVER US TO SALVATION

exeeter702

So from simple testing, the increased attack speed is not quite enough to fit 2 lights in before a spammable without exceeding the GCD resulting in a dps loss. Its off by about .5 seconds. The intentional direction of the set is to string lights together while the buff is active which i suppose makes sense given the synergy that would have with werewolfs lights and the damage boost to the light attacks to compensate for not having a skill in your rotation for the allotted time.

Aerithone

what would u say about this set plus torugs on *spam light attacks/bows* nb?.xD

Jowrik

Aerithone wrote: »

what would u say about this set plus torugs on *spam light attacks/bows* nb?.xD

Sure, if the tooltip didn't state "MELEE ONLY".
Really kind of stupid in my opinion. Bow is left out again once more.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert give Bow some love for this set. It makes no sense to only let it proc on melee light attacks, melee is already pretty flexible in what sets they can use while here I am stuck with pretty much the same gearsets on a bow build all the time Or, if you can atleast state WHY you choose for MELEE ONLY, that's fine too

DDuke

Aerithone wrote: »

what would u say about this set plus torugs on *spam light attacks/bows* nb?.xD

It doesn't reduce enchantment cooldowns, so Torugs doesn't really gain you anything with this set.


What could be interesting with this set though is Shield Breaker... potential for up to 8,6k oblivion dmg/second vs dmg shields.

Stibbons

I am pretty sure i will wear shieldbraker set with this. Maybe with sload´s. Bye bye shield stackers.

exeeter702

Stibbons wrote: »

I am pretty sure i will wear shieldbraker set with this. Maybe with sload´s. Bye bye shield stackers.

Honestly there is just enough maintenance to proc it with just little enough uptime that i dont see this being all that practical for non werewolf builds in pvp.

Masel

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424438/50k-werewolf-light-attack-build/p1

Here you can see it in action. Light attack spam with kena+bloodmoon+relequen = win.