Crafting surveys need a rework

themaddaedra

They are now a huge time consuming trouble, especially for people who do writs on 15 characters. There are already too many daily quests in game at the moment, that there are not enough hours in a day to do all of them while sparing some time to sleep and eat. Pledges, writs, CWC, Orsinium, Vvardenfell, Summerset, guild dailies... Not even counting Cyrodiil ones. This system needs to be eased at some point.

I believe reworking surveys would be a nice step because it's really annoying to run all over Tamriel every day for something that can easily be given in a box or something. My suggestion would be removing surveys and bringing loot boxes instead, which would give you the amount of materials you will find in a survey.

Sleepersword

Yeah, why dont give everyone an additional million as login reward everyday and spend some Immortal Redeemer and Gryphon Heart titles too...

Etaniel

themaddaedra wrote: »

They are now a huge time consuming trouble, especially for people who do writs on 15 characters. There are already too many daily quests in game at the moment, that there are not enough hours in a day to do all of them while sparing some time to sleep and eat. Pledges, writs, CWC, Orsinium, Vvardenfell, Summerset, guild dailies... Not even counting Cyrodiil ones. This system needs to be eased at some point.

Nobody is forcing you to do all of them on 15 chars, it's not a must do to stay up do date in the game..

SHADOW2KK

Meh I got a character who has all the billions of crafting surveys I gather, and only go get mats when they drop below accepted levels.

I do writs on 10 characters every day or second day, and any surveys I gather, go into the bank then to survey maps character for storage, it works.

redspecter23

I do writs daily on 15 characters and feel no need to do all my surveys. I have one toon store them all up. If I get low on any mats, I grab 15 - 20 of one particular survey and do just that one. It saves overall time to do one area 15 times instead of going to 15 areas to do one each. I don't even touch my alchemy and enchant surveys. They are just not worth the time investment as mentioned above.

Would I enjoy a change? Sure, it would benefit my playstyle. Do I think it's a necessary change? Not really.

themaddaedra

Etaniel wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

They are now a huge time consuming trouble, especially for people who do writs on 15 characters. There are already too many daily quests in game at the moment, that there are not enough hours in a day to do all of them while sparing some time to sleep and eat. Pledges, writs, CWC, Orsinium, Vvardenfell, Summerset, guild dailies... Not even counting Cyrodiil ones. This system needs to be eased at some point.

Nobody is forcing you to do all of them on 15 chars, it's not a must do to stay up do date in the game..

Nobody is being forced for anything in this game. With this logic you can not complain about lag, disconnects, performance issues... Nothing. It's a simple suggestion that wouldn't hurt anyone. Your comment means "i don't need it therefore i'm strongly against it".

Sleepersword wrote: »

Yeah, why dont give everyone an additional million as login reward everyday and spend some Immortal Redeemer and Gryphon Heart titles too...

This one is completely out of hand. No comment really.

ZOS_JesC

We've removed a few baiting comments. This is a reminder to keep the conversation on topic and avoid personal insults. Thank you.

Soella

I usually save all my surveys until I have 3-4 copies of each, and once in a while pick them all. It takes about 3-3.5 hours, and definitely is way too much.

I see a few possible improvements:
- make them unbound so we can sell them;
- decrease drop rate of surveys but increase what we gain from them - my favorite;
- allow us somehow choose regions where we are getting them.

neverwalk

Surveys are fine, leave them alone. Redesign jewelry crafting, increase survey drop rate for jewelry surveys, and make jewelry nodes instead of sharing with ORE nodes.

strangeradnd

They can be deleted if someone does not want them so I don't see the problem. Like others here I store them until I feel like running a group off and will typically just clear 30 or so in a given region, it doesn't take that much time and they don't take up that much space. I always felt they were one of the areas the game handled well.

EvilCroc

I save surveys and do them all at the last Sunday of the month. It takes a whole day.

Kuramas9tails

themaddaedra wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

They are now a huge time consuming trouble, especially for people who do writs on 15 characters. There are already too many daily quests in game at the moment, that there are not enough hours in a day to do all of them while sparing some time to sleep and eat. Pledges, writs, CWC, Orsinium, Vvardenfell, Summerset, guild dailies... Not even counting Cyrodiil ones. This system needs to be eased at some point.

Nobody is forcing you to do all of them on 15 chars, it's not a must do to stay up do date in the game..

Nobody is being forced for anything in this game. With this logic you can not complain about lag, disconnects, performance issues... Nothing. It's a simple suggestion that wouldn't hurt anyone. Your comment means "i don't need it therefore i'm strongly against it".

You can't possibly compare something that is out of the hands of the player to something that is in the hands of the player. I want to work overtime and not sleep or eat and also play video games as often as I want but I can't do everything in one day. It's called organizing your time. Picking and choosing what you want to do and prioritize. You don't have to do everything the game lets you do then complain to the company you can't.

jedtb16_ESO

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

They are now a huge time consuming trouble, especially for people who do writs on 15 characters. There are already too many daily quests in game at the moment, that there are not enough hours in a day to do all of them while sparing some time to sleep and eat. Pledges, writs, CWC, Orsinium, Vvardenfell, Summerset, guild dailies... Not even counting Cyrodiil ones. This system needs to be eased at some point.

Nobody is forcing you to do all of them on 15 chars, it's not a must do to stay up do date in the game..

Nobody is being forced for anything in this game. With this logic you can not complain about lag, disconnects, performance issues... Nothing. It's a simple suggestion that wouldn't hurt anyone. Your comment means "i don't need it therefore i'm strongly against it".

You can't possibly compare something that is out of the hands of the player to something that is in the hands of the player. I want to work overtime and not sleep or eat and also play video games as often as I want but I can't do everything in one day. It's called organizing your time. Picking and choosing what you want to do and prioritize. You don't have to do everything the game lets you do then complain to the company you can't.

^this..

it's all about priorities, same as others here i bank the surveys and do them when i need the mats.

you don't have to do everything, and you certainly don't have to do everything on 15 toons.

idk

Doing all the writs and dailies on 15 characters and how time consuming they are is most certainly not justification for changing anything. That person has chosen to let the game play them vs them playing the game. Sensibility is at work here.

With that, I have not been pleased with the change to have surveys drop in every major zone and would like consolidation. It never made sense.

Merenwen_812

neverwalk wrote: »

Surveys are fine, leave them alone. Redesign jewelry crafting, increase survey drop rate for jewelry surveys, and make jewelry nodes instead of sharing with ORE nodes.

The surveys are fine. Agree with this, need more jewelry survey drops.The writs are what needs to be revamped, currently vouchers are not nearly enough for the cost to fulfill the writ.

Reverb

Surveys are fine for a really high percentage of the player base. They are balanced around people who have one, or a few, crafters doing writs. They aren't, and should never be, designed for people doing writs on 15 toons.

Thats fine if thats how you choose to use your playing time, but thats just it. It how you have chosen to spend your time. You don't get to make that choice and then complain that it's taking too much time. If the reward vs. effort of having 15 crafters no longer feels worth it to you, you can stop any time. If the payoff is still worth it, then the continued time commitment is your choice.

Robvenom

neverwalk wrote: »

Surveys are fine, leave them alone. Redesign jewelry crafting, increase survey drop rate for jewelry surveys, and make jewelry nodes instead of sharing with ORE nodes.

Quoted for truth.

TheCyberDruid

I think the point of surveys is that you can decide if you put some effort (even if it's just a Google search) and time into it and get a reward for that rather than just getting the mats directly. Running 15 crafters and then complaining that it takes too much time... well, I guess each to their own.

LanteanPegasus

Reverb wrote: »

Surveys are fine for a really high percentage of the player base. They are balanced around people who have one, or a few, crafters doing writs. They aren't, and should never be, designed for people doing writs on 15 toons.

Thats fine if thats how you choose to use your playing time, but thats just it. It how you have chosen to spend your time. You don't get to make that choice and then complain that it's taking too much time. If the reward vs. effort of having 15 crafters no longer feels worth it to you, you can stop any time. If the payoff is still worth it, then the continued time commitment is your choice.

Exactly this.

And regarding the argument about not being able to complete all the dailies:
ESO offers a lot of possibilities to do dailies - and that is a very good thing.
You can't do them all (in a reasonable time). But you're also not supposed to do them all.
All those different dailies are there to offer variety. To bring a little change into the "daily grind". How much playtime a player wants to devote to daily grind is their own decision, of course. But cutting short the variety of options so one player can do all grind content every day just should not happen.

Runs

WTB Survey Hireling Assistant... Give him maps, he gives you the materials you would have gotten or he mails them to you if needed for immersion.

Vahrokh

I do surveys on all of... 1 (one) character and even so, I have more materials that I'll ever need and millions of gold in bank accumulating with trading.

Maybe I am doing something wrong?

themaddaedra

1. I'm not doing surveys on 15 characters. I don't even have 15 characters, never bought more than 8. It is an example.

2. I'm also saving them for a long time, no need to play Sherlock. Today i just collected 100 for example.

How is it gonna hurt your style of play if they are reworked? It's a simple change. People keep saying i don't have to collect them, well if they change nothing stops you to run around for mats still if that's what you like.

All comments in the end mean one simple thing: I don't need it, therefore hell no. There's nothing else, no opinions on impact, no opinions on how would it affect people who don't have problems with surveys. Dumbly assuming and judging others' play styles is what community is here for apparently.

Malacthulhu

Assume the intention was for a person to have one crafter and if you did it on 7 toons you are tech covered for a week by design standards and intentions. If you do 15 in one day then great you did 2 weeks of work bypassing the one a day wait for the 1 craft toon intention. This is my point of view obviously it could be argued either way but, doing so would be rhetoric.

Ajaxduo

I get plenty of JC surveys, roughly 2-5 a day from my chars. It’s the grains drop rate which is far too low. We have to refine something so we can get grains to refine something. This is bad design in my opinion, one set of RNG is enough. Remove grains or greatly increase the drop chance. Since Summerset launch I have a whole 2 Chromium Platings to my name...and I do writs on 10 maxed crafters everyday. I’m swimming in platinum, platings? lol no.

Just imagine how it is for a newer/more casual player.

LegendaryMage

Just add the damn rewards in the boxes whenever the surveys would normally spawn and problem solved. Why complicate things, no crafter goes to collect surveys for exploring purposes, not for the 1000th time anyway.

Or if that's too cheesy, some NPC or like someone said a special hireling, anything to save time - collecting a bunch of those can be a nightmare.

It's an old and outdated system designed to keep players 'exploring' while leveling up their characters, bumping into new quests and such, but no one really does that.

The daily crafting rewards could use some love too, we've got a lot of 'deflation' going on, prices are going lower and lower, it's time to sweeten it up a bit.

megshere

Like a lot of others, I also do writs on a bunch of characters (12), and just throw my surveys in the bank. When I have a bunch (or run out of bank space), I grab them on my main crafter and just go down the list of maps alphabetically and run and grab them. A good number are very close to the wayshrines, and if you let them build up enough you have duplicates, so you can just run, grab it, run a little bit away, run back, and repeat depending on how many you have.

TheCyberDruid

themaddaedra wrote: »

All comments in the end mean one simple thing: I don't need it, therefore hell no.

Yep, you clearly read my comment and understood what I said. Really well done discussing your point here <clap>.

themaddaedra

megshere wrote: »

Like a lot of others, I also do writs on a bunch of characters (12), and just throw my surveys in the bank. When I have a bunch (or run out of bank space), I grab them on my main crafter and just go down the list of maps alphabetically and run and grab them. A good number are very close to the wayshrines, and if you let them build up enough you have duplicates, so you can just run, grab it, run a little bit away, run back, and repeat depending on how many you have.

I'm doing the same. And it takes a whole day. Also good to keep in mind that if a console player does this they are rip. They don't have Multi Craft addon, they would have to stand on crafting stations hitting R hundreds of times.

TheDarkShadow

Just store them in bank till you have 1 stack of at least 5 surveys on the same spot and just go to that spot, pick up, run about 100m away, come back, pick up... Any stack lower than 5 is just not worth the time. If I have bank slot I'll just stack them up.

ezio45

I agree they are a waste of time and also pretty annoying. would be nice if they gave more mats and had a marker on the map at least.

If not rework them entirely as a reward for just going writs, make them a better and rare vers of the supply crates already dropped

Hokiewa

Good grief.