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Let me get this straight
This b2p MMO now sells classes for money? And people are OK with this? Well in this day and age of lootboxes anything can be sold I guess. I now officially declare this game THE most expensive game in history. It is b2p, it has subscription, it has lootboxes, it has paid DLCs and it has paid expansions. It's crazy.
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swifty3174✭✭✭baron.kreighteb17_ESO wrote: »This b2p MMO now sells classes for money?
Morrowind came out like a year ago my dude.
CP 990+
Aldmeri Dominion
Gelduin Greenwood: Bosmer Stamina Nightblade, Completionist
Khunzar-do: Khajiit Magicka Necromancer, PVP
Camandil: Altmer Magicka Warden, Healer
Wulf Cosades: Imperial Health Dragonknight, Tank
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✭✭✭& the class have been nerfed to death anyway“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
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Jurand80✭✭✭✭Only someone who never played this game can say that. The base game will give you MONTHS of fun and is cheap af. No purchase is forced upon you.Edited by Jurand80 on July 3, 2018 8:20AM21 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Name one MMO that didn't sell new classes but gave them away for free.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 3, 2018 8:26AM8 -
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✭✭ZO$ will sell anything people are stupid enough to buy. I'd do the same thing.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭baron.kreighteb17_ESO wrote: »This b2p MMO now sells classes for money? And people are OK with this? Well in this day and age of lootboxes anything can be sold I guess. I now officially declare this game THE most expensive game in history. It is b2p, it has subscription, it has lootboxes, it has paid DLCs and it has paid expansions. It's crazy.
It's not purchase AND subscribe AND buy DLC AND buy expansions AND buy lootboxes.
It's purchase AND (subscribe OR buy DLC) AND buy expansions. Lootboxes are entirely optional and do not interfere with gameplay.
Besides walking outside in fresh air and sun, this game is the cheapest per hour entertainment I've had in my entire life.
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✭✭✭✭✭B2P games generally only continue to work by selling additional content.
If you want all updated content for free then you have to have a mandatory sub on all platforms, which isn't going to go well with consoles who already have their mandatory online access fees from Sony/Microsoft.
Ragnarok Online.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Name one MMO that didn't sell new classes but gave them away for free.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭baron.kreighteb17_ESO wrote: »This b2p MMO now sells classes for money? And people are OK with this? Well in this day and age of lootboxes anything can be sold I guess. I now officially declare this game THE most expensive game in history. It is b2p, it has subscription, it has lootboxes, it has paid DLCs and it has paid expansions. It's crazy.
There are mmos out there where 1000 Bucks a month was considered normal for the Highend-Players.Edited by Uviryth on July 3, 2018 8:46AM1 -
WarMasterCyp✭✭✭baron.kreighteb17_ESO wrote: »This b2p MMO now sells classes for money? And people are OK with this? Well in this day and age of lootboxes anything can be sold I guess. I now officially declare this game THE most expensive game in history. It is b2p, it has subscription, it has lootboxes, it has paid DLCs and it has paid expansions. It's crazy.
Are you talking about the Warden class? I believe it is now part of the base game if I am not mistaken...1 -
NickStern✭✭✭WarMasterCyp wrote: »baron.kreighteb17_ESO wrote: »This b2p MMO now sells classes for money? And people are OK with this? Well in this day and age of lootboxes anything can be sold I guess. I now officially declare this game THE most expensive game in history. It is b2p, it has subscription, it has lootboxes, it has paid DLCs and it has paid expansions. It's crazy.
Are you talking about the Warden class? I believe it is now part of the base game if I am not mistaken...
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Battlegrounds are base game (core maps/modes only)WarMasterCyp wrote: »baron.kreighteb17_ESO wrote: »This b2p MMO now sells classes for money? And people are OK with this? Well in this day and age of lootboxes anything can be sold I guess. I now officially declare this game THE most expensive game in history. It is b2p, it has subscription, it has lootboxes, it has paid DLCs and it has paid expansions. It's crazy.
Are you talking about the Warden class? I believe it is now part of the base game if I am not mistaken...
Morrowind Story/Zone is DLC/ESO+
Warden & CE items are Crown Store purchases.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭This is far from the most expensive game play any f2p game that is p2w people spend 6k usd on pvp gear easy just to win. I know I spent 200$ just on a sword in a game and another 150$ to enchant and upgrade it. This game is nothing to that.Edited by FloppyTouch on July 3, 2018 9:50AM0 -
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✭baron.kreighteb17_ESO wrote: »This b2p MMO now sells classes for money? And people are OK with this? Well in this day and age of lootboxes anything can be sold I guess. I now officially declare this game THE most expensive game in history. It is b2p, it has subscription, it has lootboxes, it has paid DLCs and it has paid expansions. It's crazy.
Subscription is optional and not necessary, Morrowind came out a year ago (and Warden isn't a game-breaking uber class anyway), Crates are full of either junk or cosmetics and the DLCs/expansions are pretty decent (which you also get for free as part of a sub).Edited by JamuThatsWho on July 3, 2018 10:06AM@JamuThatsWho - PC EU - CP2100
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Vasiir-jo - Khajiit Magicka Necromancer, AD
Alts:Sul-Mael Hlarothran - Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer, EP
Ushaar-Ixaht - Argonian Magicka Nightblade, DC
Rorbakh gro-Khraag - Orc Stamina Templar, AD
Anduuroon - Altmer Magicka Warden, EP
Travanius Braelia - Imperial Stamina Dragonknight, DC
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Haenk✭✭✭✭I'd say a subscription is a requirement, if you want to do some crafting, otherwise you don't need it (you are lacking a lot of zones then, though).
It's probably very much OK to just purchase the base game and start playing, this offers probably hundreds of hours of fun - and is quite cheap.
Selling expansions is one way to earn money und sustain the game development - which is obviously not "free" (as in "beer").
Purchasing loot boxes or other cosmetic stuff or crown store stuff will have almost no impact on your gaming experience, so just don't buy them.
Eso+ plus expansions will be less than 20 EUR (more like 15 EUR) per month, for almost endless gameplay - costaing way less than one movie+popcorn at our local cinema.
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BaneOfBattler✭✭✭B2P games generally only continue to work by selling additional content.
If you want all updated content for free then you have to have a mandatory sub on all platforms, which isn't going to go well with consoles who already have their mandatory online access fees from Sony/Microsoft.
Ragnarok Online.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Name one MMO that didn't sell new classes but gave them away for free.
Neverwinter Online...2 -
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✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Name one MMO that didn't sell new classes but gave them away for free.
Starwars Galaxies gave 9 classes for free with the NGE while destroying the rest of the game. Bad example, but they were 9 free classes nontheless.
Also Black Desert onlines classes you don't need to buy seperatly.Edited by Knootewoot on July 3, 2018 10:35AM٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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✭✭✭tbh im fine with there business model IF they would give us a quality polished finished product. Im getting tired tho on every time something comes out or we get a major update it having problems... like huge server performance issues and bugs3 -
Sektion67✭✭✭Don't forget, you're talking about a company that launched a full price game with a mandatory subscription and locked an entire race behind an additional paywall. Things have obviously changed since then, but that way of thinking has definitely carried over into the current business model.
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✭baron.kreighteb17_ESO wrote: »This b2p MMO now sells classes for money? And people are OK with this? Well in this day and age of lootboxes anything can be sold I guess. I now officially declare this game THE most expensive game in history. It is b2p, it has subscription, it has lootboxes, it has paid DLCs and it has paid expansions. It's crazy.
the warden class compared to the already many classes in the base game to choose from isnt really anything special. plus its no big deal anymore as long as the class isnt brokenly op which warden is far the heck away from.0 -
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✭baron.kreighteb17_ESO wrote: »This b2p MMO now sells classes for money? And people are OK with this? Well in this day and age of lootboxes anything can be sold I guess. I now officially declare this game THE most expensive game in history. It is b2p, it has subscription, it has lootboxes, it has paid DLCs and it has paid expansions. It's crazy.
Wow...you really dont know what you are talking about...go play a pay-to-win game where people spend tens of thousands of dollars to stay competitive.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Name one MMO that didn't sell new classes but gave them away for free.
Starwars Galaxies gave 9 classes for free with the NGE while destroying the rest of the game. Bad example, but they were 9 free classes nontheless.
Also Black Desert onlines classes you don't need to buy seperatly.
As beautiful as it is, BDO's probably a bad example as well. Simply because there's not really much game there beyond grinding.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BaneOfBattler wrote: »B2P games generally only continue to work by selling additional content.
If you want all updated content for free then you have to have a mandatory sub on all platforms, which isn't going to go well with consoles who already have their mandatory online access fees from Sony/Microsoft.
Ragnarok Online.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Name one MMO that didn't sell new classes but gave them away for free.
Neverwinter Online...
Maybe I'm missing some sarcasm, but I thought Neverwinter actually stuck classes in their lockboxes. (I played CO and STO, but never transitioned over to Neverwinter.)0 -
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✭Face it, with all the "experience scrolls", "special items", "special potions" and extras, it is P2W.Sleepersword wrote: »Better b2p then p2w...
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✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »ZO$ will sell anything people are stupid enough to buy. I'd do the same thing.
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✭Yup. I wish I was one of those folks. I have a subscription and have since 2015, but I never buy anything! What's wrong with me? Help me! Of course I have absolutely zero interest in 99.99% of the junk in the Crown Store. I have no use for a flaming kitty. I only wish I could buy something and gift it.Ectheliontnacil wrote: »ZO$ will sell anything people are stupid enough to buy. I'd do the same thing.
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youninjabro✭✭Morrwind was a paid expantion the Warden was part of that paid expantion, Its a hell of a lot cheaper to buy Warden standalone vs buying the DLC.
I see nothing wrong with paying for it it was a part of the morrwind expantion, plenty of other BTP GAMES have done the same e.g. Guildwars IIVR 14 Templar Daggerfall NA0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BaneOfBattler wrote: »B2P games generally only continue to work by selling additional content.
If you want all updated content for free then you have to have a mandatory sub on all platforms, which isn't going to go well with consoles who already have their mandatory online access fees from Sony/Microsoft.
Ragnarok Online.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Name one MMO that didn't sell new classes but gave them away for free.
Neverwinter Online...
unless something changed - I distinctly remember having to buy new classes. or was it races? not to mention - for a while, the only way to upgrade gear at end game was via cash shop, the grind for currency to upgrade pretty much EVERYTHING was excruciatingly timegated (unless you spend cash, naturally) we are talking... imagine if the only way to get gold in ESO is by stealing, and once you hit your fence limit - that's it. per account, not per character. that would be Neverwinter currency grind. well... there's trading, but from in game activities, you are incredibly limited. and that currency is required for EVERYTHING.
and then.. there was a bag situation. for a while, the only way to increase your bagspace, after you get a few smallish freebies
neverwinter may be free to play, but if you are even slightly interested in end game of any kind.... you are going to have to pay.
there are NO game companies that won't get you to pay one way or another. becasue even the most altruistic hypothetical company.. not only has to pay their employees, but also has to pay for servers and bandwith.
isn't black desert - subscription mandatory? ESO gives you 1500 crowns per month with subscription. crowns that can be used to buy all sorts of things... including a warden, if you dont already have acess to it.Edited by Linaleah on July 3, 2018 4:20PMdirty worthless casual.
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✭Face it, with all the "experience scrolls", "special items", "special potions" and extras, it is P2W.Sleepersword wrote: »Better b2p then p2w...
Except all those items aren't that useful and are geenrally considered garbage.@JamuThatsWho - PC EU - CP2100
Main:
Vasiir-jo - Khajiit Magicka Necromancer, AD
Alts:Sul-Mael Hlarothran - Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer, EP
Ushaar-Ixaht - Argonian Magicka Nightblade, DC
Rorbakh gro-Khraag - Orc Stamina Templar, AD
Anduuroon - Altmer Magicka Warden, EP
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✭True, but, apparently, they're the best selling items so somebody must be using them.JamuThatsWho wrote: »Face it, with all the "experience scrolls", "special items", "special potions" and extras, it is P2W.Sleepersword wrote: »Better b2p then p2w...
Except all those items aren't that useful and are geenrally considered garbage.
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