Meta and, sorry, Sloads = a possible effect?

grannas211

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

grannas211 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Heavy Armor is in all ways inferior unless you’re PVE tanking (even then you can get better sustain and defended through set combos). Dodge roll/ Dodge and Shields will mitigate far more. Nothing beats raw avoidance of damage and/ or effects.

They really need to making tanking and heavy armor worth something again.

Ok now I'm convinced the PVP section of this forum is just people trolling for the heck of it. I've read too many troll posts in the past hour that make me wish for the LOL button.

what?
if people disagree with you does not mean they are troll nor trolling, their trying to tell you ways they survived. and trying to explain thier beliefs does not mean they troll.
its just our opinion, our beliefs, our testimony. not meant to troll nor sound troll like.
just honest opinions.

Heavy armor is bad? Use purge on stam toons or any class not a magplar for that matter?

Yeah ok, not trolling.

Gilvoth

exeeter702 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if you are trying to fight groups of people solo and by yourself and thinking you are bruce lee then you die, that has nothing to do with sloads.
it doesnt matter what thier wearing. you will die because you are fighting a group solo, your chances of death is incredibly increased.

Sure. And that’s why sloads needs to be nerfed... because it’s just as strong, if not stronger, in 1v1 situations.

ok ill bite, i dont understand what your saying because, when people try gank me with like, lets say ...


Molag Kena
(1 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(2 items) When you deal direct melee damage, you have a 15% chance to call on a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you for 12000 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

they hit me alot harder than sloads set.

Way Harder with molag kena, and i come very close to death especially when they use ultimate combined with heavy hit and also another skill mixed in there im left at like 8% health and i dodge roll out and small heal and a pot and i can barely make it but i made it and survived. (just barely)
i have had that happen to me enough that i am able to survive those because i changed my build.

but sloads?

lets take a look.

sload set
Sload’s Semblance
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Craftable
Set bonus
(2 items) 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) 129 Spell Damage - 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.

according to you this is hitting Harder? how?
1 guy hit me with this, i purged and escaped but was not even that hard.
the only time i have had a problem was if Several sloads was on me. then is really hard to purge them all and in addition they are attacking me also with ultimes and other skills? no, im dead
but i only died because was multip[le attacks from several people.

1 person alone hitting me with sloads is more than survivable. infact hes a dead man if i catch him.

so how is sloads set "And that’s why sloads needs to be nerfed... because it’s just as strong, if not stronger, in 1v1 situations." as you claim now, knowing this that i just explained worse?

That is Selenes, not molag kena.

Buf the point is the way sloads is applied and of what type of damage it is. Selenes, like any other raw proc burst damage is not the same issue as with sloads. Aside from the fact it is (now) telegraphed and melee range, it is mitigated by all forms of defense both passive and active that effects its damage type including actively blocking.

Sloads applies itself almost for free from the user,applied from any range and again as has been mentioned countless times, its damage is uneffected by any form of mitigation baring healing or amplified health regen. Its more oppresive because of this, especially when you have minor and major defile everywhere in unison.

not when used by 1 person.
you are not going to die from 1 person wearing sloads.

Thogard

generalmyrick wrote: »

@Thogard

Whether or not five players should be killable by one player is a SEPARATE ISSUE from whether or not sloads is OP.

NOT A SEPERATE ISSUE = the point is made that facing 5 people should result in your death.

If the only thing keeping 5 bad players alive against one good player is sloads, and no other set in its place would lead to that same outcome, then sloads is OP. No single set should determine the outcome of ANY fight like that.

im having trouble understanding this, if 5 people wear sloads and that keeps them alive then sloads is op? confused...what if i wore dog *** and streaked away? what if 5 players just walked around with permablock builds? what if 5 NBs just *** perma stunned you and cloaked in front of you? I COULD GO ON FOREVER in this game --- are those skills/classes/builds op?

If you were gonna lose anyway, who cares. Doesn’t matter. Win anyway? No big deal. Same performance either way. sure.

But sloads DOES singlehandedly change fight outcomes. It enables bad players by a significantly larger margin than any other set. If there were other options the bad players could also use, it wouldn’t be overperforming because it would be performing the same as those other sets.. that’s what that word means lol. (be nice.)

how do bad players pick out an effective set?--doesn't make sense...bad players make bad decisions. i like the way you id that its really the only option for "bad players." can you define a bad player? for instance...im curious--if a good player puts this set on...do they become a bad player? is it possible good players are using this effectively? or is it that ALL GOOD PLAYERS PLAY EXACTLY THE SAME and there is no way they'd use sloads. further, do all bad players use sloads...or only some? help me here.

But there aren’t other options. There is only sloads.

see above--again this seems rather hyperbolic...im sure you'll educate me respectfully without insulting me.

And that is why it is overpowered compared to other sets.

Now if ZOS buffed all the other proc dmg sets (viper, sheer venom, way of fire lol, affliction, poisonous serpent, etc) and left sloads alone, then sure, sloads wouldn’t be overperforming.

that's just the thing...why is this set here? why after the endless complaining did they not nerf it? you have some insight they don't?

But at present, sloads is in a league of its own and has no viable comparison. It is singlehandedly changing the outcome of fights. That is the DEFINITION of overperforming.

more confusing = good players have tried it and said it sucks...so...eh...

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I don’t know any good player whose tried it and says it sucks. It’s banned in dueling tournaments for a reason. The fact that it’s OP is based on math - it’s the highest DPS set in game. That’s all there is to it.

Dwemer you’re thinking in the right direction. The difference is that sloads is a DPs set whereas Kena is a burst set.

Didgerion

Waffennacht wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

New food + TK = no sload

Maybe 1 sload, but what if you have 5 of them stacked on you?

If I'm being hit by 5 players, I'm pretty confident I'm dead.

Yeah, and the new players think same and ZOS wants lots and lots of new players in the game - that's why this set is there.

An organized 5 player group will never have 5 sload sets on them
Only a pug of 5 new players will have 5 sloads equiped and this would secure them kills and bring excitement.
That's the ZOS only intention with the sets like this.

If there is no sload in the game that group of 5 new players is doomed to death - they have no counters against a good NB nor Sorc - the 5 players will have 0 enjoyment and will leave the game.

As of experienced NBs and Sorcs - they will figure a way out, and they still will stay in the game one way or another.

generalmyrick

Didgerion wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

New food + TK = no sload

Maybe 1 sload, but what if you have 5 of them stacked on you?

If I'm being hit by 5 players, I'm pretty confident I'm dead.

Yeah, and the new players think same and ZOS wants lots and lots of new players in the game - that's why this set is there.

An organized 5 player group will never have 5 sload sets on them
Only a pug of 5 new players will have 5 sloads equiped and this would secure them kills and bring excitement.
That's the ZOS only intention with the sets like this.

If there is no sload in the game that group of 5 new players is doomed to death - they have no counters against a good NB nor Sorc - the 5 players will have 0 enjoyment and will leave the game.

As of experienced NBs and Sorcs - they will figure a way out, and they still will stay in the game one way or another.

^wisdom folks! wisdom. Look beyond the fork in the road and peer down the path!

WillhelmBlack

I'll put it this way.

Before Sloads I could kill 3 potatoes even with Zaan and Caluurian.

The same 3 now with added Sload could easily kill me on any build/class.

That's the problem with Sloads. It's tipped an already broken meta over the edge. I want CwC back.

Brutusmax1mus

The issue is oblivion damage. Stupid, unbalanced, oblivion damage. I'd imagine permafrost is a good counter for shield users.

JXNwarrior

Sloads is just one more step towards what ZoS has been doing for years, closing the skill gap between the floor and ceiling so that experienced/skilled people have less fun and new/unskilled people have more fun. It's a pure money grab to sell to new players and sell DLC/chapters, hence why Sloads is paywalled behind a $40 dlc.

Yes it is unbalanced and meant to give people closer to the floor an easier time killing people closer to the ceiling, and so is bugged Snipe, cost poisons, etc etc. It's an effect of the game direction.

Datthaw

Waffennacht wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

New food + TK = no sload

Maybe 1 sload, but what if you have 5 of them stacked on you?

If I'm being hit by 5 players, I'm pretty confident I'm dead.

I get that, I'm not saying people need to be super man. This can happen in group play also. I have has recaps playing with my guild where I get singled for a few seconds, I make it to a los or behind my group and still melt down because my purge synnergy is on cd and I have 4 sload procs on me.

Edit. I'll put it this way, if it was only able to put 1 proc on you I wouldn't care about the at at all. The fact that it stacks is where is have problems with it. mow that im at home on my PC ill link this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/336880746713317386/457503172231954432/Screenshot_20180613_190818.png?width=886&height=499

that is what i have a problem with

exeeter702

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

The issue is oblivion damage. Stupid, unbalanced, oblivion damage. I'd imagine permafrost is a good counter for shield users.

Conceptually, pure damage is not a terrible thing and has worked in many an online rpg over the years, it just needs to be properly budgeted in its yeild comparative to other types of damage.

generalmyrick

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

New food + TK = no sload

Maybe 1 sload, but what if you have 5 of them stacked on you?

If I'm being hit by 5 players, I'm pretty confident I'm dead.

I get that, I'm not saying people need to be super man. This can happen in group play also. I have has recaps playing with my guild where I get singled for a few seconds, I make it to a los or behind my group and still melt down because my purge synnergy is on cd and I have 4 sload procs on me.

Edit. I'll put it this way, if it was only able to put 1 proc on you I wouldn't care about the at at all. The fact that it stacks is where is have problems with it. mow that im at home on my PC ill link this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/336880746713317386/457503172231954432/Screenshot_20180613_190818.png?width=886&height=499

that is what i have a problem with

hey! i have a question. i was fighint 2 guys and on my death recap it just had 1 line of sloads....not the usual 5. is there something going on there?

it looks like a few guys hit you with sloads and that was all? that doesn't sound right...it doesn't make sense like my 1 liner death recap when i was fighting 2 people!

Dojohoda

If a siege weapon operator is wearing Sload, one unlucky person who gets hit with the siege weapon will also get a sload dot. Just a heads-up.

edited for clarity

Datthaw

generalmyrick wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

New food + TK = no sload

Maybe 1 sload, but what if you have 5 of them stacked on you?

If I'm being hit by 5 players, I'm pretty confident I'm dead.

I get that, I'm not saying people need to be super man. This can happen in group play also. I have has recaps playing with my guild where I get singled for a few seconds, I make it to a los or behind my group and still melt down because my purge synnergy is on cd and I have 4 sload procs on me.

Edit. I'll put it this way, if it was only able to put 1 proc on you I wouldn't care about the at at all. The fact that it stacks is where is have problems with it. mow that im at home on my PC ill link this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/336880746713317386/457503172231954432/Screenshot_20180613_190818.png?width=886&height=499

that is what i have a problem with

hey! i have a question. i was fighint 2 guys and on my death recap it just had 1 line of sloads....not the usual 5. is there something going on there?

it looks like a few guys hit you with sloads and that was all? that doesn't sound right...it doesn't make sense like my 1 liner death recap when i was fighting 2 people!

It's because I was fighting 3 people. I managed to get away, or i thought, nb go that execute on me. I was going down anyway though low resources and pot cd from the escape because
I was unfortunate to get fresh dots on me and my group was elsewhere. Could I have had more situational awareness? Maybe. But its still just stupid that a proc set from a few fleeting light attacks as i get away killed me.

TheMystid

generalmyrick wrote: »

I hear talks that this sloads is the meta, from the ps4 side i say = eh, don't see it in the recap much...i think our recaps are dominated by 2h and bow skills.

however, if so many people running sloads --> wouldn't it follow that all that heavy armor is unnecessary and you'd all be better putting your resources and gear and skill points into thing that matter more?

i love reading your thoughts on theory crafting! In summary, if you can't block it, then why block?

You can open any of the 98769989786 posts made about Sloads in the last month and get all the infos you're looking for.

Datthaw

I should probably take that recap off... I forgot to black out the names. Probably falls into "name and shame" realm to zos

Ender1310

Before sloads I had a were wolf templar HA that was a beast. After sloads he just melts.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

wyrd tree + purge = gg sloadtard

brandonv516

I'm a bad player not because I went Sloads, Zaan, Seducer, but because I didn't go Sloads, Zaan, Duroks.

Just be thankful that I am diverse.

Thunderknuckles

generalmyrick wrote: »

I hear talks that this sloads is the meta, from the ps4 side i say = eh, don't see it in the recap much...i think our recaps are dominated by 2h and bow skills.

however, if so many people running sloads --> wouldn't it follow that all that heavy armor is unnecessary and you'd all be better putting your resources and gear and skill points into thing that matter more?

i love reading your thoughts on theory crafting! In summary, if you can't block it, then why block?

I play PC/NA and have been in Cyro Vivec for about 9 hours over the last 2 nights and after numerous zerg deaths Sload's has come up on my recap a total of, wait for it......2 times. Maybe I'm just fortunate.

Thogard

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

I hear talks that this sloads is the meta, from the ps4 side i say = eh, don't see it in the recap much...i think our recaps are dominated by 2h and bow skills.

however, if so many people running sloads --> wouldn't it follow that all that heavy armor is unnecessary and you'd all be better putting your resources and gear and skill points into thing that matter more?

i love reading your thoughts on theory crafting! In summary, if you can't block it, then why block?

I play PC/NA and have been in Cyro Vivec for about 9 hours over the last 2 nights and after numerous zerg deaths Sload's has come up on my recap a total of, wait for it......2 times. Maybe I'm just fortunate.

Are you a nightblade, or do you spend most of your time engaging opponents who are outnumbered by you?

TheDoomsdayMonster

My god...

Some people act like Sloads is some ultra powerful unstoppable, all-mighty, set that instantly allows the user to crush any opponent that stands infront of him...

I've seen seen Sloads on my Death Recap a grand total of 1 time...once!!


The people that I have fought that have used Sloads on me 1v1 have died...

The DoT is weak, can be Cleansed, and simply doesn't do much damage; its very easy to deal with and out healing the DoT is trivial...


I fear Zaan far, far, more than I do Sloads...

Heck, there are several proc sets that I fear more than Sloads...


But whatever...

I am convinced that people are crying about it because it prevents people from successfully 1vX'ing with that Cloak/Major Expedition and Shield Stacking/Streak cheese...

generalmyrick

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

My god...

Some people act like Sloads is some ultra powerful unstoppable, all-mighty, set that instantly allows the user to crush any opponent that stands infront of him...

I've seen seen Sloads on my Death Recap a grand total of 1 time...once!!


The people that I have fought that have used Sloads on me 1v1 have died...

The DoT is weak, can be Cleansed, and simply doesn't do much damage; its very easy to deal with and out healing the DoT is trivial...


I fear Zaan far, far, more than I do Sloads...

Heck, there are several proc sets that I fear more than Sloads...


But whatever...

I am convinced that people are crying about it because it prevents people from successfully 1vX'ing with that Cloak/Major Expedition and Shield Stacking/Streak cheese...

I think thats why there is such a fierce debate and why it didnt get nerfed...you can deal with it and so many of is are like.. Eh?

I think when sorcs see there health drop for no reason and see oblivion damage in their dam recap it makes them want to burn witches and put signs up in front water fountains.

thankyourat

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

My god...

Some people act like Sloads is some ultra powerful unstoppable, all-mighty, set that instantly allows the user to crush any opponent that stands infront of him...

I've seen seen Sloads on my Death Recap a grand total of 1 time...once!!


The people that I have fought that have used Sloads on me 1v1 have died...

The DoT is weak, can be Cleansed, and simply doesn't do much damage; its very easy to deal with and out healing the DoT is trivial...


I fear Zaan far, far, more than I do Sloads...

Heck, there are several proc sets that I fear more than Sloads...


But whatever...

I am convinced that people are crying about it because it prevents people from successfully 1vX'ing with that Cloak/Major Expedition and Shield Stacking/Streak cheese...

You don't need Cloak or shield stacking to 1vX any class is capable of 1vXing, and sloads is pretty much harmful to every class. The reason 1vXers are complaining is this set is free unmitigated damage that bypasses most main forms of defense. Most solo players already play with a lot of healing or big shields and high sustain really the only thing they could do to counter this is to equip horrible sets like wyrd tree. The problem I have with this set is it doesn't encourage group play at all. It's literally useless in AvAvA. This set only encourages Xv1 gameplay which I see as problematic because why even implement a set that's useless every where except Xv1. If ZoS wants to encourage group play why not make sets that's actually good for group play. A set that increases your aoe damage based on enemies hit would be a great group set

generalmyrick

Sloads is incredibly useful to a group...you mean buffs or ???

generalmyrick

Ia and sloads tells the group kill that ***... :-) or free AP!

Waffennacht

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Thogard wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

New food + TK = no sload

Maybe 1 sload, but what if you have 5 of them stacked on you?

If I'm being hit by 5 players, I'm pretty confident I'm dead.

generalmyrick wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

New food + TK = no sload

Maybe 1 sload, but what if you have 5 of them stacked on you?

If I'm being hit by 5 players, I'm pretty confident I'm dead.

There has to be a reason people dont want to see your point..

If the only thing keeping 5 bad players alive against one good player is sloads, then sloads is OP. No single set should determine the outcome of ANY fight like that.

If you were gonna lose anyway, who cares.

But sloads does singlehandedly change fight outcomes. It enables bad players. If there were other options the bad players could also use, it wouldn’t be so bad.

But there aren’t other options. There is only sloads.

And that is why it is overpowered compared to other sets.

Now if ZOS buffed all the other proc dmg sets (viper, sheer venom, way of fire lol, affliction, poisonous serpent, etc) then sure, sloads wouldn’t be overperforming.

But sloads is in a league of its own and has no viable comparison. It is singlehandedly changing the outcome of fights. That is the DEFINITION of overperforming.

Well it wouldn't be keeping them alive as much as you dying.

And literally meant being hit. Sload only procs on damage right? (10% chance) so for me to have 5 different procs (or even 2...) I would be taking damage from 10+ effects to proc em.

That 10+ different damage sources should kill me, the only reason it wouldn't is I'm like a healthden - which I do not run.

I dunno any players that are so bad that they can land 10+ attacks and not kill someone

I love you man but sometimes I wonder if we’re playing the same game.

On my DK. Let’s say I have already used volatile armor and venomous claw against an opponent. Then I use rending slashes. Let’s count the hits inside of one second:

1. Volatile armor dot
2. Volatile armor dmg return
3. Venomous claw
4. DW light attack
5. Wep enchant proc 1
6. Rending slashes main hit
7. Rending slashes offhand hit
8. Wep enchant proc 2
9. Rending slashes dot first tic

Throw on a few more dots, may r a burning or poisoned status effect, or actual poisons, or bleeds, and you literally have 100% uptime on sloads

@thogard my point is, if you get all of that on my character, along with even a few more players doing something similarly. I.e. I'm taking 27 ticks of damage from 3 players...

I'm dead. And that's what it takes to proc 3+ different sload sets.

The only builds I see that could even theoretically survive 27+ ticks of damage per sec is Maybe a healthden.

Original comment was to the "well how does Health Regen counter 5 sloads?" - essentially my response was "nothing counters 5 sloads notlr what leads up to 5 sloads"

Brutusmax1mus

If there is a zerg, there is sloads. You're full of it to say it's been on you're recap only a couple times.

@TheDoomsdayMonster of course you don't have an issue with sloads, you play the only class with a realistic counter.

It's not awful, it's just oblivion is an stupid damage type and it takes away from gameplay, like all damage proc sets.

Thogard

Waffennacht wrote: »

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Thogard wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

New food + TK = no sload

Maybe 1 sload, but what if you have 5 of them stacked on you?

If I'm being hit by 5 players, I'm pretty confident I'm dead.

generalmyrick wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

New food + TK = no sload

Maybe 1 sload, but what if you have 5 of them stacked on you?

If I'm being hit by 5 players, I'm pretty confident I'm dead.

There has to be a reason people dont want to see your point..

If the only thing keeping 5 bad players alive against one good player is sloads, then sloads is OP. No single set should determine the outcome of ANY fight like that.

If you were gonna lose anyway, who cares.

But sloads does singlehandedly change fight outcomes. It enables bad players. If there were other options the bad players could also use, it wouldn’t be so bad.

But there aren’t other options. There is only sloads.

And that is why it is overpowered compared to other sets.

Now if ZOS buffed all the other proc dmg sets (viper, sheer venom, way of fire lol, affliction, poisonous serpent, etc) then sure, sloads wouldn’t be overperforming.

But sloads is in a league of its own and has no viable comparison. It is singlehandedly changing the outcome of fights. That is the DEFINITION of overperforming.

Well it wouldn't be keeping them alive as much as you dying.

And literally meant being hit. Sload only procs on damage right? (10% chance) so for me to have 5 different procs (or even 2...) I would be taking damage from 10+ effects to proc em.

That 10+ different damage sources should kill me, the only reason it wouldn't is I'm like a healthden - which I do not run.

I dunno any players that are so bad that they can land 10+ attacks and not kill someone

I love you man but sometimes I wonder if we’re playing the same game.

On my DK. Let’s say I have already used volatile armor and venomous claw against an opponent. Then I use rending slashes. Let’s count the hits inside of one second:

1. Volatile armor dot
2. Volatile armor dmg return
3. Venomous claw
4. DW light attack
5. Wep enchant proc 1
6. Rending slashes main hit
7. Rending slashes offhand hit
8. Wep enchant proc 2
9. Rending slashes dot first tic

Throw on a few more dots, may r a burning or poisoned status effect, or actual poisons, or bleeds, and you literally have 100% uptime on sloads

@thogard my point is, if you get all of that on my character, along with even a few more players doing something similarly. I.e. I'm taking 27 ticks of damage from 3 players...

I'm dead. And that's what it takes to proc 3+ different sload sets.

The only builds I see that could even theoretically survive 27+ ticks of damage per sec is Maybe a healthden.

Original comment was to the "well how does Health Regen counter 5 sloads?" - essentially my response was "nothing counters 5 sloads notlr what leads up to 5 sloads"

Literally every class can survive that. That’s really basic stuff. Most of it isn’t hitting hard at all. My point was just that it’s easy to have 100% sloads uptime.

Qbiken

Ender1310 wrote: »

Before sloads I had a were wolf templar HA that was a beast. After sloads he just melts.

@Ender1310 May I introduce you to your lord and saviour Pelinial + Lingering pots + Trollking

Gnortranermara

The only thing I EVER see in my recap is some morph of:

Snipe
Snipe
Snipe
Snipe

Always 4 times, always instantly striking at once. And despite numerous reports, both in game and on the forums, ZOS never punishes the exploiters or fixes this broken skill.

If they can't figure out another way to fix this game-breaking exploit, then Snipe should cost double for 2 seconds after it is used. I don't even go to Cyrodiil anymore and I won't until this inexcusable exploit is fixed.