Should I craft Sloads?

WhitePawPrints

Sloads is being run by the vast majority of the PVP community, and it is extremely OP. It will soon receive the same treatment that Mechanical Acuity recieved, so is it worth me crafting Sloads now knowing that it's going to be nerfed soon? Unless ZoS is trying to really milk all they can out of it like they did with Mechanical Acuity and wait several months before fixing a set they know is broken.

Even though MA wasn't an issue in PvP...

Waffennacht

I'm there too honestly. Jewelry takes so damn much and to lose even 3 purple jewelry to a Nerf is actually very devastating.

There's a lot of hate

VaranisArano

Depends on how hard it is for your to,farm/buy a bunch of materials to use on a Flavor of the Month set. I wouldn't gold it out, that's for sure.

WhitePawPrints

VaranisArano wrote: »

Depends on how hard it is for your to,farm/buy a bunch of materials to use on a Flavor of the Month set. I wouldn't gold it out, that's for sure.

Sitting on several thousands quanities of materials... so that's not the issue. It's whether or not I should waste my time with a set I'll have to decon in an unknown amount of time.

JaZ2091

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Depends on how hard it is for your to,farm/buy a bunch of materials to use on a Flavor of the Month set. I wouldn't gold it out, that's for sure.

Sitting on several thousands quanities of materials... so that's not the issue. It's whether or not I should waste my time with a set I'll have to decon in an unknown amount of time.

Welp, that's a risk you're going to have to take yourself.

WhitePawPrints

JaZ2091 wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Depends on how hard it is for your to,farm/buy a bunch of materials to use on a Flavor of the Month set. I wouldn't gold it out, that's for sure.

Sitting on several thousands quanities of materials... so that's not the issue. It's whether or not I should waste my time with a set I'll have to decon in an unknown amount of time.

Welp, that's a risk you're going to have to take yourself.

If I knew it wasn't going to get nerfed, I'd join them. But since it will get nerfed, I don't want to conform to the BiS PvP set, when my PvP set from 3 years ago has been working just fine. I've adapted to every other OP set that has come out through my strategies and slight changes to my set up. But now because of one set, I'd have to change my whole build. Thinking it might not be worth crafting it.

Pink_Violinz

Eh, getting the materials isn't that bad. I absolutely wouldn't put on jewelry. But a set of purple armor will be fun to play with, until the inevitable nerf.

MinarasLaure

I just crafted and golded it for a bunch of guild mates.
Obviously not jewellery.
It also depends on what kind of nerf zos gonna apply.
MA got nerved, true, but it's still a solid performer.
I reckon they might adjust the cd cause that's what makes it really op

WhitePawPrints

MinarasLaure wrote: »

I just crafted and golded it for a bunch of guild mates.
Obviously not jewellery.
It also depends on what kind of nerf zos gonna apply.
MA got nerved, true, but it's still a solid performer.
I reckon they might adjust the cd cause that's what makes it really op

I personally predict direct damage nerf like MA, since it can be activated, and then reactivated, on a single DoT's as it currently stands. It's why it gives me such a strong MA vibe.

i.e. Poison Injection DoT last 10 seconds. Sloads can proc on the first tick of Poison Injection, then Sloads will expire at the end of the first six seconds. With 4 seconds left on Poison Injection, each tick of that DoT has the 10% chance to proc it again, causing for Sloads to reactivate for another six seconds.

MinarasLaure

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

MinarasLaure wrote: »

I just crafted and golded it for a bunch of guild mates.
Obviously not jewellery.
It also depends on what kind of nerf zos gonna apply.
MA got nerved, true, but it's still a solid performer.
I reckon they might adjust the cd cause that's what makes it really op

I personally predict direct damage nerf like MA, since it can be activated, and then reactivated, on DoT's as it currently stands. It's why it gives me such a strong MA vibe.

Yeah but even if the dmg dealt was 500, with virtually no cooldown it'll still be strong

Wing

in a previous MMO the top raiding guild had this to say on the general subject:

"never build around an exploit"

the idea being to never design character around exploits or broken sets because you were only going to lose everything anyway.

Strider__Roshin

Lol vast majority. You'd like that if you just read the forums, but when you actually play the game you realize that hardly anyone uses it. Oh and it's on the weaker side when it comes to proc sets.

Gilvoth

should you craft a sloads set?

i would suggest not to, here is my experience,
i crafted and golded out sloads set on the PTS, and tried it repeatedly in both pvp and pve and it just was weak for me and also it did not proc when i wanted it to, sometimes it did proc when i wanted but most of the time it was random proc and did weak damage. only has a 10% chance to proc and only does around 5500 damage during that proc.
what made me stay away from it the most and i dropped it like a hot potato was the fact that i myself as a wearer of sloads could not stealth nor cloak because it takes ME out of cloak to put a DOT on someone, forced me out of cloak.

at that point, and seeing all those bad things, i knew it was not a good set.

Sload’s Semblance
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Craftable
Set bonus
(2 items) 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) 129 Spell Damage - 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.

MinarasLaure

Daus wrote: »

Lol vast majority. You'd like that if you just read the forums, but when you actually play the game you realize that hardly anyone uses it. Oh and it's on the weaker side when it comes to proc sets.

Don't know in which campaign you play, but my death recap says something different lol

Vapirko

Daus wrote: »

Lol vast majority. You'd like that if you just read the forums, but when you actually play the game you realize that hardly anyone uses it. Oh and it's on the weaker side when it comes to proc sets.

Can you point to any 5th piece trait of passive proc damage that’s stronger? I can’t. And as I’ve mentioned the fact that it procs on any and all damage (some reporting it procs itself which is why it ticks for 7 ticks sometimes) makes it much more viable than sets like overwhelming surge which is a popular comparison. And when you account for mitigation overwhelming surge is probably weaker in damage as well.

generalmyrick

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Sloads is being run by the vast majority of the PVP community, and it is extremely OP. It will soon receive the same treatment that Mechanical Acuity recieved, so is it worth me crafting Sloads now knowing that it's going to be nerfed soon? Unless ZoS is trying to really milk all they can out of it like they did with Mechanical Acuity and wait several months before fixing a set they know is broken.

Even though MA wasn't an issue in PvP...

nah....

the player base that is

sorc and nbs
on pc
on this forum
are going to get it nerfed because as much as they shoud L2P, they can't L2P....

WhitePawPrints

Hehe, you can tell the people who run the set and know it's OP, and those that run the set and think it's their skills.

Vapirko

generalmyrick wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Sloads is being run by the vast majority of the PVP community, and it is extremely OP. It will soon receive the same treatment that Mechanical Acuity recieved, so is it worth me crafting Sloads now knowing that it's going to be nerfed soon? Unless ZoS is trying to really milk all they can out of it like they did with Mechanical Acuity and wait several months before fixing a set they know is broken.

Even though MA wasn't an issue in PvP...

nah....

the player base that is

sorc and nbs
on pc
on this forum
are going to get it nerfed because as much as they shoud L2P, they can't L2P....

Do you mean that people like Gilliame, Fengrush and Alcast should L2P? And that’s just to name some well known players. There are many other excellent players, who understand the game very well that agree this set is OP. But apparently ou must posses some godlike skills and knowledge of this game.

_Salty_

VaranisArano wrote: »

Depends on how hard it is for your to,farm/buy a bunch of materials to use on a Flavor of the Month set. I wouldn't gold it out, that's for sure.

This is why I make my builds around concrete stats: weapon/spell damage, resources, sustain and healing. Id rather run an efficient well rounded max stat build for a year than chase the cheese wheel down the hill update after update.

generalmyrick

Vapirko wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Lol vast majority. You'd like that if you just read the forums, but when you actually play the game you realize that hardly anyone uses it. Oh and it's on the weaker side when it comes to proc sets.

Can you point to any 5th piece trait of passive proc damage that’s stronger? I can’t. And as I’ve mentioned the fact that it procs on any and all damage (some reporting it procs itself which is why it ticks for 7 ticks sometimes) makes it much more viable than sets like overwhelming surge which is a popular comparison. And when you account for mitigation overwhelming surge is probably weaker in damage as well.

better, ha!

let me just access the ol' spreadhsheet...
*sips drank*

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5th set Bonus better than Sloads
affliction
almalexia
archmage
ash grip
beck steel
bloodthorn
chokethorn
combat phys
def warrior
defiler
des rose
dest mastery
drag heritage
dreamer's
eternal hunt
grothdarr
harbinger
hatch shell
healing mage
hist
ice furnace
iceheart
imperium
inf guardian
infall mage
juggernaut
kra'gh
kvatch
lamia's song
leeching
lich
llambris
lord warden
magicka furn
magnus
mazzatun
mephala
morkuldin
nerien'eth
night mother
night terror
nightflame
phoenix
prayershawl
pris rags
red mountain
redistributor
rkugamz
seducer
selene
sellistrix
shalidor
sheer venom
spawn of mephala
storm night
stormfist
thunderbug
torug
tremorscale
troll king
undaunted unw
valkyn skoria
vamp kiss
varren's leg
velidreth
viper sting
viscous death
warlock
way of fire
whitestrake
widowmaker
winterborn
withered hand
wormcult

supaskrub

wheres the dilema?.. use it or don't, no need to be so dramatic. You say mats are not the issue, you've pvp'ed in the same gear for 3 years.. time for a change

WhitePawPrints

supaskrub wrote: »

wheres the dilema?.. use it or don't, no need to be so dramatic. You say mats are not the issue, you've pvp'ed in the same gear for 3 years.. time for a change

No drama. Wear the same set as everyone else now, or wait until it's nerfed and forget about it. Simple question.

If the change is bottlenecking gameplay and builds, then it's a bad change. Might as well bring back MagDK Vamps.

I've built my build to be versatile. It's basic, but I rely more on my skill than sets to carry me and it has done me well through all the nerfs and changes that have affected the build. When a new set comes in an overperforms, it's easy to see on a solid versatile build like mine.

lionofjudah7

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Sloads is being run by the vast majority of the PVP community, and it is extremely OP. It will soon receive the same treatment that Mechanical Acuity recieved, so is it worth me crafting Sloads now knowing that it's going to be nerfed soon? Unless ZoS is trying to really milk all they can out of it like they did with Mechanical Acuity and wait several months before fixing a set they know is broken.

Even though MA wasn't an issue in PvP...

No one cares what you craft . You still gonna get zerged down n teabagged

STEVIL

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Sloads is being run by the vast majority of the PVP community, and it is extremely OP. It will soon receive the same treatment that Mechanical Acuity recieved, so is it worth me crafting Sloads now knowing that it's going to be nerfed soon? Unless ZoS is trying to really milk all they can out of it like they did with Mechanical Acuity and wait several months before fixing a set they know is broken.

Even though MA wasn't an issue in PvP...

last i looked a lot of cp160 purple sloads pieces were selling for between 4k and 5k which seems like very little profit overall.

the market prices do not seem match the outrage/hype. But i could be wrong.

Anastian

Daus wrote: »

Lol vast majority. You'd like that if you just read the forums, but when you actually play the game you realize that hardly anyone uses it. Oh and it's on the weaker side when it comes to proc sets.

You are really running against a large portion of the community, commenting in any sload thread that it's not that performing :P

This said, OP, craft it to prove the point that it's BiS if you can do that with normal mats. Rings wouldn't be worth it, you are better off finding/upgrading/crafting your second 5 pieces set rings as those will stay with minimal changes, whereas Sload nerf, at most in 3 months, is going to happen.

Try to check in which situations you'd really need sload and if the crutch it gives you is really essential (f.e. against cloaking nightblades / heavy shielding sorcs). If your previous build doesn't get bothered too much by these opponents, Sload isn't such a huge benefit against others. Even if the recap in any fight is very high, it's because it's a dot that's always there and eats up opponent's healing, but you still need to burst them down.

Fiktius

Just think first do you really NEED Sload?

What does Sload provide to you?
You will get wider max magicka and stamina pools, but 0 sustain.
You will get more spell and weapon damage. Okay, that's nice.
And then you get this Oblivion damage dot.

So, at what kind of situation you are planning to use this Sload? Are you solo player in Cyrodiil? Do you play battlegrounds?
Do you play in bigger groups in Cyrodiil? Are you 1 vs 1 duelist? Circumstances matters a lot, believe me.

And then we get the point when we are talking about your gear choices:
Do you want to use medium, heavy or light?
What are you going to sacrifice for slotting Sload?
Without good sustain you will drop dead before your Sload can do anything, if opponent player(s) are good and are able to counter you.
Will you drop defense and run Sload combined with sustain set? I guess that would work with heavy armor, but then you are already decreasing your possible damage when going to heavy instead of using medium or light.
Are you going to combine Sload with damage dealing set, dropping defense and sustain? At CP campaigns that might work, if you finish your opponent quick. But what happens when you run out of resources and your opponent(s) are still alive?
You can't deal damage if you are dead.

I hope you have a clear image what kind of build you actually want to run. Having a clear vision what you want to do is more important than asking forum users opinions should you follow the meta or not.

ezio45

no

Strider__Roshin

Anastian wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Lol vast majority. You'd like that if you just read the forums, but when you actually play the game you realize that hardly anyone uses it. Oh and it's on the weaker side when it comes to proc sets.

You are really running against a large portion of the community, commenting in any sload thread that it's not that performing :P

I don't believe something simply because it's the opinion held by the majority. All of us have a brain and are capable of using it. Most rather appeal to the consensus of the majority though.

Anastian

Daus wrote: »

Anastian wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Lol vast majority. You'd like that if you just read the forums, but when you actually play the game you realize that hardly anyone uses it. Oh and it's on the weaker side when it comes to proc sets.

You are really running against a large portion of the community, commenting in any sload thread that it's not that performing :P

I don't believe something simply because it's the opinion held by the majority. All of us have a brain and are capable of using it. Most rather appeal to the consensus of the majority though.

Just curious, which class are you playing at the moment? And in which environment, BGs, IC, Cyro CP or Cyro non-CP?

WhitePawPrints

Back at release people would say L2P at overpowered builds... back when that meant switch to MagDK. Magsorcs have been saying L2P for years until they were finally balanced back in Dragon Bones.

I’m not even discussing whether or not Sload is OP. I’m just saying that it will be nerfed and whether or not I waste the time and materials to craft a set that’ll soon be nerfed.

Oh and I got a chuckle out of that user saying Sload isn’t OP because it’s cheap in guild stores. xD

Strider__Roshin

Anastian wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Anastian wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Lol vast majority. You'd like that if you just read the forums, but when you actually play the game you realize that hardly anyone uses it. Oh and it's on the weaker side when it comes to proc sets.

You are really running against a large portion of the community, commenting in any sload thread that it's not that performing :P

I don't believe something simply because it's the opinion held by the majority. All of us have a brain and are capable of using it. Most rather appeal to the consensus of the majority though.

Just curious, which class are you playing at the moment? And in which environment, BGs, IC, Cyro CP or Cyro non-CP?

I alternate between 3 classes: Stamblade, magDK, and Magsorc for battlegrounds. Then I hop in Cyrodiil for the daily conquest on my stamblade. BGs are obviously non-CP, and Cyrodiil is CP because the non-CP campaign is always dead.