I was excited for summerset but its unplayable

HalfEatenCornea

This patch promised us performance upgrades and some peoples games are running smoother but some of us are constantly getting the sprint bug, stamina drain bug, rubber banding, crashing, terrible lag even in unpopulated areas. In cwc my game ran perfectly. In dragon bones it got really bad but disabling my outfit fixed alot of it (please fix outfit lag, its terrible, causes barswap lag and targetting issues), now this patch rolls around the game is actually unplayable for me as well as many others. Every 2-3 minutes in combat i get the sprint bug ( all your abilites wont fire and ur stamina recovery is 0), sure u can double tap shift to get out of it but its often too late. There is a separate stamina drain bug as well where even out of combat my stamina would slowly drain to 0 with 0 recovery.

Couple the worst performance ive ever seen in this game since I started playing with the worst balance patch ive seen since ive started playing and thats why so many pvpers are quitting right now. Balance and performance are at an all time low. Every monday I hope to see an incremental patch saying "hey we fixed sprint bug and stam drain bug."

Zos continues to lower the ceiling and raise the floor with dumb carry sets like sloads and earthgore that literally play the game for you, no wonder all their streamers constantly bad mouth the game giving it the poor reputation it has in the gaming community.

Drakkdjinn

+1

SydneyGrey

I've been playing Summerset nonstop for three weeks and I'm not having those issues.

HalfEatenCornea

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I've been playing Summerset nonstop for three weeks and I'm not having those issues.

some of my friends are having the same experience, im very jealous, wish i knew what the difference is, i have a decent comp as well and the game has run very very well before back in clockwork city.

Rain_Greyraven

Okay I'll play.....


Usually along with the hyperbolic complaints, folks like to say what platform they are playing on and if it's a PC what they are running....performance issues often times have to deal with what hardware you are running including router.

if you are playing on a console knowing who your provider is and router type can shed some light on your issues as well.

PlagueSD

Step one: disable all addons and see if problem goes away.

Summerset was a major update and most addons will be "broken" causing all sorts of issues.

If disabling all your addons doesn't help, then next would be lower the game settings. If problem goes away, then it's your hardware not being able to support the game.

Would also be good to post your system specs along with driver versions.


Personally, I have had ZERO issues with summerset. Never been disconnected from server while playing. Had a FEW lag spikes here and there, but that's expected. Wasn't enough to really affect my gameplay.

HalfEatenCornea

PlagueSD wrote: »

Step one: disable all addons and see if problem goes away.

Summerset was a major update and most addons will be "broken" causing all sorts of issues.

If disabling all your addons doesn't help, then next would be lower the game settings. If problem goes away, then it's your hardware not being able to support the game.

Would also be good to post your system specs along with driver versions.

ive tried disabbling addons and while it does improve performance it does not stop the sprint bug, stam drain bug, stuttering, and bar swap lag. My game has run very well in the past with all the same addons, router and computer settings

i appreciate the people trying to help, that is cool.

im using a i7-4790K 4GHz 16 GB ram gtx1080

isp is ATT and the router is a stock ATT u-verse router that im plugged directly into

ive put in many tickets to support and followed all their instructions but still no fix

GoldriverMtsCBE

I'm on Xbox myself and so far nothing like that has cropped up. While I'm not playing on PC, have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the game? Also make sure that you don't have any issues with your firewall/antivirus, sometimes with new versions of software permissions need to be reset.

Rain_Greyraven

HalfEatenCornea wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Step one: disable all addons and see if problem goes away.

Summerset was a major update and most addons will be "broken" causing all sorts of issues.

If disabling all your addons doesn't help, then next would be lower the game settings. If problem goes away, then it's your hardware not being able to support the game.

Would also be good to post your system specs along with driver versions.

ive tried disabbling addons and while it does improve performance it does not stop the sprint bug, stam drain bug, stuttering, and bar swap lag. My game has run very well in the past with all the same addons, router and computer settings

i appreciate the people trying to help, that is cool.

im using a i7-4790K 4GHz 16 GB ram gtx1080

isp is ATT and the router is a stock ATT u-verse router that im plugged directly into

ive put in many tickets to support and followed all their instructions but still no fix

I think I see your problem.

U-verse is a notoriously bad ISP for gaming, mainly because they love to throttle speeds even if you are using their unlimited package.

I had them back in 2014 when the game launched and it was a nightmare, looking into them I found out that hitting your PC constantly for pirated music and selling your info to 3rd parties is much more important than delivering a decent connection experience..... honestly if you can pick another ISP in your area you will be much happier.

Smasherx74

Don't worry, America is repealing Net Neutrality regulations which will surely not affect you're already slow internet speeds.

HalfEatenCornea

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

HalfEatenCornea wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Step one: disable all addons and see if problem goes away.

Summerset was a major update and most addons will be "broken" causing all sorts of issues.

If disabling all your addons doesn't help, then next would be lower the game settings. If problem goes away, then it's your hardware not being able to support the game.

Would also be good to post your system specs along with driver versions.

ive tried disabbling addons and while it does improve performance it does not stop the sprint bug, stam drain bug, stuttering, and bar swap lag. My game has run very well in the past with all the same addons, router and computer settings

i appreciate the people trying to help, that is cool.

im using a i7-4790K 4GHz 16 GB ram gtx1080

isp is ATT and the router is a stock ATT u-verse router that im plugged directly into

ive put in many tickets to support and followed all their instructions but still no fix

I think I see your problem.

U-verse is a notoriously bad ISP for gaming, mainly because they love to throttle speeds even if you are using their unlimited package.

I had them back in 2014 when the game launched and it was a nightmare, looking into them I found out that hitting your PC constantly for pirated music and selling your info to 3rd parties is much more important than delivering a decent connection experience..... honestly if you can pick another ISP in your area you will be much happier.

i mean you are probably right a better isp would be better but i have no other option in my area.

but do you guys think the sprint bug and other bugs are isp/hardware related?

seems like an eso thing

UnseenCat

ISPs are often the culprits with lag and severe timeouts. And using things like popular internet speedtests usually won't tell you the whole story -- ISP's put speed test servers for those services on their own networks so they offer up in-network speed tests. For the whole picture, you need to find a speed test site that has a server located off your ISP's network. And even then, those tests may not accurately reflect gaming traffic.

Where I live, it's Comcast or nothing, and their service was awful when I moved in. Speed tests on their network was fine, but going beyond it to things like online game services had ping times upwards of 4000ms (not a typo!). The problem was massive traffic congestion in the "best-effort" segment of their consumer service at several of their aggregation nodes.

Understand, consumer broadband speeds are rated at burst speeds for a certain amount of traffic between you and an Internet IP address -- typically 20MB or so, then the connection drops to "best-effort" which can be very fast or very slow depending on congestion. A game connection doesn't drop, so once you're connected and past your burst transfer limit, things can get very slow.

The solution was to change over to a business broadband plan that carried a much lower stated speed.

Sounds counter-intuitive, I know, but here's what happens -- The consumer plan, rated at 120mbps download, would slow down to a crawl, with highly variable ping times, when it dropped from burst mode to "best-effort" mode. The business service, rated at 50mbps download, would deliver constant 50mbps speed and consistent ping times, all the time, no matter what.

Online games don't need massive speeds -- just consistent speeds and ping times. Something an over-sold or throttling ISP doesn't deliver. Business-class service is partitioned off from consumer-class service, and kept at consistent speeds through traffic management -- but at lower overall speeds. Still, it's often more useful and reliable for gaming and heavy Internet users like my family, where we tend to maintain a certain minimum level of saturation on the line.

For us, qualifying for a business plan was easy -- my wife does in fact run a microbusiness of her own and needs good Internet service to manage her website. Different ISPs, and even the same ones, may have varying rules for who qualifies depending on where you live. But as we head into the post-net-neutrality nightmare, switching to a business-class ISP connection may be worth a look for more folks.

DanteYoda

Totally agree op i'm getting weird issues as well and i'm on PC, i've tried multiple drivers nothing fixes it..

Diminish

UnseenCat wrote: »

ISPs are often the culprits with lag and severe timeouts. And using things like popular internet speedtests usually won't tell you the whole story -- ISP's put speed test servers for those services on their own networks so they offer up in-network speed tests. For the whole picture, you need to find a speed test site that has a server located off your ISP's network.

I work for an ISP, and I will tell you right now that speed test servers close to the last hop your clients have BEFORE leaving your network, are in fact, the most accurate representation of your speeds. Recommending someone test to some server not hosted by your ISP is lunacy. An ISP can only control factors within their network after all. If you have great speeds to a speed test server hosted in house by your ISP, but terrible speeds to some server you found on heygooglewhatsmyinternetspeed.com then guess what? Calling your ISP for a solution is NOT the way to find one. It is quite obvious that testing to a server you have no control over the route to, and the distance between point A and point B is most definitely going to weigh in the results of the test. Most "we picked the recommended server" speed test services uses GeoIP to "guess" your location to recommend you that server. For many reasons, GeoIP technology is not at all accurate.

UnseenCat wrote: »

And even then, those tests may not accurately reflect gaming traffic.

Bits are bits, bytes are bytes, "traffic" is "traffic". Unless your ISP is providing QoS on their network (and doing a very poor job) then "gaming traffic" is no different than any other traffic. In the result that your ISP does provide QoS to services on their network, it is pretty standard practice to QoS VoIP, Video, Gaming, other miscellaneous data/services (in that order) with highest priority starting with the first. Also, I will say right now, that speed (read bandwidth) is the least of your worries with gaming, and like mentioned above regarding QoS at the service level, unless you work for your ISP you will have no way to tell if your 1 Gbps fiber connection even allows for more than 10 Mbps at any given time for gaming, X bandwidth between Y time frames, etc. I've monitored hundreds (if not thousands) of connections over the years, and very seldomly have I ever witnessed gaming utilizing more than 1 Mbps download or upload bandwidth though so really none of this is even relevant to the OP.

To others saying it is ISP congestion, bursting, etc. I am not even about to go down that path. @HalfEatenCornea, you want a simple test? Load up a 4k Test YouTube video (literally just search for that), and let it play while you game. When you see your stuttering or other in-game issues, if you see no problems with that 4k Test video buffering, I assure you it is not "congestion" or "bursting". 4k YoutTube will very consistently use around 35 - 60+ Mbps downstream bandwidth... if your ISP has a bottleneck on their network you will most definitely see it affect the playback of this way before you see your character rubberbanding around Tamriel. Outside of that, save yourself the hassle of pulling your hair out trying to do anything. You can check your own latency to see if perhaps it is a Tier 3/Tier 2 issue beyond your ISP, and then report it to them to investigate, but these things usually don't result in a fast turn around time.

In my opinion, and knowing the reliability of ESO, I would say just save yourself the headache and ZoS will work whatever is causing this out. I too have witnessed many issues with the game since Summerset went live on PC (and I play on console). Stuttering, outright freeze frame with continued audio, skills not working without double bar swapping (usually ground placed DoTs), the list goes on. Lots of people are reporting the same issues across all platforms. Something is definitely mucked up with the Summerset release. The fact that I witnessed many of the same issues when Summerset went live on PC even though I am playing on console leads me to believe that it is something server-side and not client-side. It's ESO, a new patch, and unfortunately to be expected.

xenoterracide

whenever anyone talks about bandwidth/isp issues now, and although they do and can contribute... more people should probably be looking at their bufferbloat and what their router is doing (buffering packets means they take longer to transmit). Most routers, if optimized at all, are optimized for throughput, rather than latency. http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/34521234

TheNuminous1

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I've been playing Summerset nonstop for three weeks and I'm not having those issues.

ive been playing it since console launch have only dced a handful of times and some occasional stuttering.

peacenote

Personally things have been better for me in Summerset than they were in Dragon Bones, except for login lag that seems more tied to that screen which is really an advertisement. I mostly PvE though, and I agree with what others have said that sometimes we all just need to wait for the release to settle and get patched.

If you still have issues after the majority of other folks stop reporting them, my advice would be to be sure that you don't assume that the cause for one symptom is the same for all of them. Lag or crashing could be caused by something different than the stamina bug and it just might seem like they were all part of the update. Likewise, the same symptoms can be caused by different things at various times. You could have a bad mod PLUS there might be issues with the update.

I went through a long stretch where I had various connection issues playing. I could regularly log in initially without issue, but often I would get booted if I switched to a trial or dungeon, or between characters. As I had time and money (which is why this occurred over a long stretch), I tried:

• the various initial steps (no mods, reloading/repairing the game, etc.)
• various pieces of online advice, tweaking drivers, .txt file settings, keeping all browsers closed while playing (which helped, sometimes)
• reloading my computer, starting fresh with the game and no mods
• re-seating all of the components in my desktop (RAM, video card, etc.)
• replacing my router
• replacing my ethernet card
• switching from Comcast to FIOS

The only thing that worked? Replacing my old desktop computer with a new one. I had no other issues with the computer that I could tell... no crashes, blue screens, nothing. But after I replaced the machine I could again play ESO, switch between characters, and play with mods while streaming Netflix in the background, whereas I otherwise was lucky if I'd stay logged in even after making all of those changes. It absolutely felt like an internet issue but must have been some type of hardware problem.

Now, I'm not suggesting that the OP go out and buy a new computer... just throwing it out there in case you have some creative options for troubleshooting. Any way you can try your computer at a friend's house to rule in (or out) your ISP and router? Can you try your account on a friend's computer to see if you have the same experience? Borrow a neighbor's wireless internet for the day? Etc.

Xerikten

I have no issues with att.

I have issues when I "awake" my computer and it wants to download updates and or run a virus scan in the background right away. this is why I have the task manager up so I can see what is going on when ever the lag monster hits.

Haenk

I had only one very bad stuttering so far, it lasted for about 1 minute.
Not sure about the reason, might have been some background-update.
Rarely I'm getting texture bugs (missing textures), this happened maybe 4-5 times during the last 2 weeks.

Otherwise it's running very smooth for me (Ryzen 1800X, RX480, 32GB, 960Pro SSD).

Mayrael

As I mentioned somewhere else, MMO game performance is dependent on:
- your hardware
- your connection
- game API (amount of data needed to transfer and then to calculate)
- game servers hardware (data processing, managing send/receive)
- servers bandwidth
- routing (sometimes nodes between you and game servers are failing)

Now. If you see FPS rate drops, most of the time it will be something with your hardware or game API (also badly optimized add-ons causing memory leaks or using some dirty algorithms).

If your ping is high, it can be your connection (your endpoint device - gateway), your ISP, servers bandwidth or something between (you can try to use tracert to check what is causing delay).

If your ping is decent but you still have delays and feel clumsy, it may be caused by severs being overloaded with data.

TheHsN

*i have very bad ping issues.
*more than 10 times game is closing it self

they were never happened like that before. all started after Ssummerset. im very disappointment that i bought and try to play with issues like that.

i Have
7700k , asus gtx1070 ti 32gb ram. samsung evo960 ssd ,32mbit connection

LadyLethalla

The day after Summerset launched on console I got cable broadband, but while my connection is now ostensibly faster (since my WiFi seems to have regular drop outs I am using a wired connection, utilising 15 year old Ethernet cabling in my walls...) I've had significant FPS drops - stuttering. Seems to mainly occur after fast travelling, but I don't think that's the only times it's happened. And this is happening in other areas as well, such as Deshaan - which atm does not have the population of the new zones. I've had complete freezes that last about 3 seconds. I've had the same lag I had on ADSL (but that's probably due to my old cabling). But I've also had several long loading screens again that required quitting and restarting, which hasn't happened since... idk, CWC?

At least they seem to have fixed the Voice Chat issue...