Heavy Attacks with Restoration/Lightning Staves still have issues firing

Mystrius_Archaion

I posted about this on PTS saying staff weapon targeting broken which was mostly fixed but in the process of going live it is coming back.
I don't notice it as often but it still has trouble automatically firing a heavy attack with a lightning or restoration staff if you start holding the button before you have put the cursor over the enemy.

This is extremely frustrating and annoying and kills combat effectiveness.

Edit:
Also, you try to light attack and often it will do a full heavy attack. I'm not holding the attack button. I just tapped it as quick as I could, but it keeps attacking while I can move normally or interrupt it with a block, so it isn't lag.
There is also an issue where bash doesn't happen because it thinks you want to light attack first. I always had trouble with bash with gamepad so I purposefully hold block so I see the block graphics come up and my character hold the staff out front before hitting attack to bash, but now it doesn't even work that way.

Ragnork

I thought there was something off last night.

Zorgon_The_Revenged

I'm sure I had similar problems before Summerset, maybe from the off-balance changes patch. Whatever the case, any fixes to problems created with the direction they have gone with heavy attacks, will surely cause more problems as they back track. But lets hope not.

Merlin13KAGL

I'm still getting both extremes of it from time to time.

• The "nothing to target" one even though something the size of a small house is right in your crosshairs.
• The "LA?? Nope, you really wanted a heavy attack. You're welcome."
• Then, potentially related, I'm also getting the "I'll hit the thing offsides (not tab targetted), completely out of your camera view instead of the thing in your crosshairs (even it it is tab targetted).

Any one of these play hell on a rotation.

Having other skill fire delay issues too (LL) that seem to have gotten worse.

Mystrius_Archaion

Oh yeah, I forgot about that "FULL heavy attack instead of light attack" problem related to this. I never had that issue on PTS or before Summerset on live.
Also, it tends to want to light attack instead of bash. The order of command input is a little off.

I use gamepad on NA server, fyi.

mooslacker

Is an issue on PC EU as well.

Cardthief

Had this issue when Summerset went Live as well, though it seemed to be patched in the PTS it has since come back when it became Live.

Ragnork

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

I'm still getting both extremes of it from time to time.

• The "nothing to target" one even though something the size of a small house is right in your crosshairs.
• The "LA?? Nope, you really wanted a heavy attack. You're welcome."
• Then, potentially related, I'm also getting the "I'll hit the thing offsides (not tab targetted), completely out of your camera view instead of the thing in your crosshairs (even it it is tab targetted).

Any one of these play hell on a rotation.

Having other skill fire delay issues too (LL) that seem to have gotten worse.

All of this
PC EU and PC NA

Cardthief

This is a shot in the dark here, but is ZoS aware or looking into this bug @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

Kali_Despoine

this has been happening on the PS4 for years now. I don't think they care as I have never gotten a response form them.

Tagonius

It's happening to me on PC too. I use gamepad to play. The targeting issue started after Summerset patch, I think.

CGPsaint

@ZOS_GinaBruno - Can we please get a response in regards to this issue? This has not been an issue for me until this morning when I logged in after downloading Summerset. At this point, the vast majority of my heavy attacks do not happen, and given that heavy attacks are an important part of my rotation for damage and sustain, this is pretty game-breaking for doing any serious content. I completed the Cloudrest Trial on normal, and even that was a stretch for executing my rotation and keeping my Magicka up.

Merlin13KAGL

Still very much broken.

Mystrius_Archaion

It seems better for me after yesterday's patch though. I don't know why.

CGPsaint

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

It seems better for me after yesterday's patch though. I don't know why.

It's the exact opposite for me. I didn't have any issues until Summerset dropped. Now I can't get a Heavy Attack in to save my life.

Tagonius

It still happens. There are other threads about this. Is it a bug or is how heavy attacks work now? I preferred the previous behavior much more. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Thrudra_Magia

I noticed the 'misfire' while in a fight last night and almost died cause my light/heavy attacks were not working with lightning staff.

Mystrius_Archaion

Still an issue...............

Mystrius_Archaion

Been testing this. It seems to be most common when anything is interrupted or animation-canceled, either by the enemy or myself.
It also still seems to have trouble targeting when you start holding heavy attack before you target the enemy with a lightning or restoration staff.

Mystrius_Archaion

Could this other thread's issue be related to this? It seems likely:
49,710 day Heavy Attack Bug

Shadowshire

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

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There is also an issue where bash doesn't happen because it thinks you want to light attack first. I always had trouble with bash with gamepad so I purposefully hold block so I see the block graphics come up and my character hold the staff out front before hitting attack to bash, but now it doesn't even work that way.

In my experience, you are right. For quite a while now, attempting to Bash an opponent has seldom resulted in a "bash attack". It does not matter whether I press the RMB first to Block, then the LMB to Bash while holding the RMB down. The block will occur, but ordinarily the ensuing bash will not. It's a surprise to see when it does.

Originally, I could press both buttons simultaneously and hold them down. Then the character would first Block, followed by Bashing the opponent. Now, if I hold both buttons down simultaneously, the character simply Blocks. I don't know the patch after which the ensuing Bash no longer occurred.

Own

It's so true. Hitting heavy attack right before the curser hits them seems to stop it from attacking

Tagonius

More than a month after Summerset launch and it's still there. I think there has not been an official reply about this bug yet.

FastBen

Unfortunately it is still an issue! Almost every friend and guildmate I asked have the same problem and still the attention this bug gets is ridiculously low. There are a few comments and complains and that’s all. Very surprised about that, because it completely ruins your rotation and dd. And at the same time every second complain/coment is about the broken daily rewards – and all the noise is for a couple of *** exp scrolls and repair kits! Come on people, help! Otherwise this will just become a feature of the game!

Eso101rus

Yh this bug does need some attention hopefully very quickly. It feels like the hit box on targets is so small and it’s definitely affecting rotations and dps output. Shame that there has been no developer feedback as far as I can tell.

Mystrius_Archaion

It's not the hit boxes. It seems to randomly be when you hold the heavy attack command when you don't have a target in your crosshairs and then move to target, or are out of range and come into range. Your character turns to face the target as it does when it would connect but the attack never fires.
It also seems to happen when you heavy attack too early after a dodge or block or interrupt bash or after using a skill as if it interrupts the animation of those and can't fire even though the heavy attack charging animation is happening but sometimes even that doesn't happen.
It seems there is a limit to animation canceling now that can be hit far too easily and just locks out heavy attacks until you release the button and press it again.


Edit:
After more thought, this is the exact same thing that happens with bash on my gamepad. I have to hold block to where I see the arms come up to block in order to be able to bash because the game registers the commands out of order and assumes I wanted to light attack instead of bash.
This could be that the heavy attack, if triggered too early after another action, is registering on the server or client side before the previous action and therefore being interrupted by the previous action until a new command to heavy attack is sent, which is why it waits for the button to be released and pressed again as a new command.

Cardthief

Its crazy that after all this time they still haven't even said a word about this, it seriously kills rotations and overall combat effectiveness.

paulychan

Heavy attacks getting stuck for multiple pulls.
Light attacks and heavy attacks not firing.
Long periods where heavy attacks won’t fire no matter what you do.
Heavy attack animation not firing but attack still seems to function.
LA not firing during weaving. I’ll push it, nothing happens. This did work for a long time for me. Not any more.
I’d say my dps is half what it could be. Also, can’t switch bars. I switch and nothing happens. Remove another 10k or so dps. Something is seriously broken

All on lightning and Resto staves.

paulychan

I forgot the part where I target a creature behind me across the map with a ha instead of the highlighted creature directly in front of me. I’ll adjust and rehighlight to no avail. Yet another pull on a creature half the map away rather than the boss a foot away.
In rials, you can hear “burn phase, burn the boss” and half the group yells at their toon to attack.
I’m pretty sure that we are suppose to be able to use buttons to attack, not verbal direction which, in all honestly, works about the same atm.

Cardthief

Ever since the last couple of patches its only gotten worse, around 50%-60% of my light or heavy attacks wont go off and when they do the light attacks are usually full heavy ones, or my next ability wont proc.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I know its most likely difficult to go through all of the mentions on the forums, but if you do get around to finding this thread, can you please let us know if ZoS is aware of this bug, and if so is working on fixing it?

DarkAedin

Has this just become a nerf sorc thread?

But srsly. Its kind of an issue.