Best Meta in three Years?

Ishammael

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Ishammael you gonna reroll a stam sorc with Duroks+Sload and master’s DW?

NO.
The LORD ISHAMMAEL is a DRAGONKNIGHT, now and forever.

Besides, ain't nobody got time for that. I barely get to play a few hrs a wk these days.

OdinForge

zyk wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

I'd also take back early 1.6 with capped CP and some of the major bugs fixed.

Wasn't that 2.2 though? I understand Battlespirit was changed in 2.1, but for the most part that offset power creep from CP and the introduction of new items (IC gear, vMA weapons).

I loved IC -- especially the nb changes (siphoning attacks for one) and liked the CP cap in 2.2.

2.2 did have some big downsides. That's when the 30-50% FPS drop bug was introduced (still not fixed) and loading screen issues in Cyrodiil became 100x worse, but at a gameplay level, it was very good.

For those unfamiliar with the different versions:

1.5 was the last version of launch gameplay [approx nov 2014 - march 2015]
1.6 was a major revamp that introduced the CP system, removed soft caps, greatly expanded the AE cap, and made stamina builds widely viable
2.0 was the same as 1.6 but added B2P and the Crown Store [summer 2015]
2.1 Imperial City (many nice refinements, Battle Spirit change) [sept 2015]
2.2 Orsinium (vMA, CP cap) [nov 2015]
2.3 Thieves Guild (vicious death, bombard spam, etc) [march 2016]
2.4 Darkbrotherhood (heavy armor revamp, poisons, proc sets) [june 2016]
2.5 Shadows of the Hist [summer 2016]
2.6 One Tamriel [oct 2016]
2.7 Homestead [feb 2017]
3.0 Morrowind [may 2017]
3.1 Horns of the Reach (earthgore) [aug 2017]
3.2 Clockwork City [oct 2017]
3.3 Dragon Bones [feb 2018]
4.0 Summerset [may 2018]

Dates are approximate..

What i meant was if capped CP was in 1.6, but 1.6 was very different than IC+ which introduced major battlespirit changes.

Ishammael

OdinForge wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

I'd also take back early 1.6 with capped CP and some of the major bugs fixed.

Wasn't that 2.2 though? I understand Battlespirit was changed in 2.1, but for the most part that offset power creep from CP and the introduction of new items (IC gear, vMA weapons).

I loved IC -- especially the nb changes (siphoning attacks for one) and liked the CP cap in 2.2.

2.2 did have some big downsides. That's when the 30-50% FPS drop bug was introduced (still not fixed) and loading screen issues in Cyrodiil became 100x worse, but at a gameplay level, it was very good.

For those unfamiliar with the different versions:

1.5 was the last version of launch gameplay [approx nov 2014 - march 2015]
1.6 was a major revamp that introduced the CP system, removed soft caps, greatly expanded the AE cap, and made stamina builds widely viable
2.0 was the same as 1.6 but added B2P and the Crown Store [summer 2015]
2.1 Imperial City (many nice refinements, Battle Spirit change) [sept 2015]
2.2 Orsinium (vMA, CP cap) [nov 2015]
2.3 Thieves Guild (vicious death, bombard spam, etc) [march 2016]
2.4 Darkbrotherhood (heavy armor revamp, poisons, proc sets) [june 2016]
2.5 Shadows of the Hist [summer 2016]
2.6 One Tamriel [oct 2016]
2.7 Homestead [feb 2017]
3.0 Morrowind [may 2017]
3.1 Horns of the Reach (earthgore) [aug 2017]
3.2 Clockwork City [oct 2017]
3.3 Dragon Bones [feb 2018]
4.0 Summerset [may 2018]

Dates are approximate..

What i meant was if capped CP was in 1.6, but 1.6 was very different than IC+ which introduced major battlespirit changes.

What if

1.6, capped at 300cp
With dynamic ultimate?!?!


That would be hot

zyk

OdinForge wrote: »

What i meant was if capped CP was in 1.6, but 1.6 was very different than IC+ which introduced major battlespirit changes.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. 2.0 was basically the same as 1.6. 2.1 was just a refined version of 2.0 and 2.2 offered further refinements.

2.3 was similar to 2.2, but had MAJOR changes to group dynamics because of the changes to purge/barrier/rapids and the introduction of VD and the original Fasalla's. I *think* 2.3 is also when player movement was broken which later necessitated a 10% increase in player speed in a later major update.

Like I said, I understand Battlespirit was changed in 2.1, but the Penetration bug and nirnhoned armor had as much significance in different ways. Still, 2.0 and 2.1 gameplay were not that different.

IMO, the buff of weapon damage glyphs, the introduction of IC sets, and increased CP offset most of the change to Battlespirit. By 2.2, everyone had started to rediscover Impen because the TTK was very low again.

But I think what really gave 1.6 its identity was that so few players understood it because of all the changes and all the bugs. It was fundamentally different than 1.5 in so many ways.

Xsorus

How quickly people forget twin sisters set existed and applied a massive bleed, no cooldown and no range limit.... during 1.5.

Satiar

Xsorus wrote: »

How quickly people forget twin sisters set existed and applied a massive bleed, no cooldown and no range limit.... during 1.5.

Mmmmmm I abused that. Murdo ate that a lot.

IZZEFlameLash

New meta just screams cancer. I am not sure why they went back to proc set meta. Never have the meta made me this unwilling to log in ever since Dark Brotherhood poison introduction when poisons were glitched to make them even more OP. Some things should stay only in concepts not realized.

Mr_Nobody

Pvp is dead.

OdinForge

Ishammael wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

I'd also take back early 1.6 with capped CP and some of the major bugs fixed.

Wasn't that 2.2 though? I understand Battlespirit was changed in 2.1, but for the most part that offset power creep from CP and the introduction of new items (IC gear, vMA weapons).

I loved IC -- especially the nb changes (siphoning attacks for one) and liked the CP cap in 2.2.

2.2 did have some big downsides. That's when the 30-50% FPS drop bug was introduced (still not fixed) and loading screen issues in Cyrodiil became 100x worse, but at a gameplay level, it was very good.

For those unfamiliar with the different versions:

1.5 was the last version of launch gameplay [approx nov 2014 - march 2015]
1.6 was a major revamp that introduced the CP system, removed soft caps, greatly expanded the AE cap, and made stamina builds widely viable
2.0 was the same as 1.6 but added B2P and the Crown Store [summer 2015]
2.1 Imperial City (many nice refinements, Battle Spirit change) [sept 2015]
2.2 Orsinium (vMA, CP cap) [nov 2015]
2.3 Thieves Guild (vicious death, bombard spam, etc) [march 2016]
2.4 Darkbrotherhood (heavy armor revamp, poisons, proc sets) [june 2016]
2.5 Shadows of the Hist [summer 2016]
2.6 One Tamriel [oct 2016]
2.7 Homestead [feb 2017]
3.0 Morrowind [may 2017]
3.1 Horns of the Reach (earthgore) [aug 2017]
3.2 Clockwork City [oct 2017]
3.3 Dragon Bones [feb 2018]
4.0 Summerset [may 2018]

Dates are approximate..

What i meant was if capped CP was in 1.6, but 1.6 was very different than IC+ which introduced major battlespirit changes.

What if

1.6, capped at 300cp
With dynamic ultimate?!?!


That would be hot

I like your thinking.

Iskras

...

Iskras

... one thing is certain, there is even 'polling' (voting where more than 88% say PVP is worse) in the community: with every patch that passes, PVP gets worse and worse. ZOS insists on not listening to the community and seems to only listen to a privileged few. A pity!

Iskras

And the best 'meta'? CE, yet - Unfortunately!

Xsorus

Satiar wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

How quickly people forget twin sisters set existed and applied a massive bleed, no cooldown and no range limit.... during 1.5.

Mmmmmm I abused that. Murdo ate that a lot.

Was my main setup...a Medium Armor Stamina DK using Sword/Shield and Bow

Those were the times..

Gilvoth

you can no longer slot for 100% damage output and zero into defenses, you now have to adjust your build to what you are being killed by, it should have been this way all along, that is how we nightblades have been treated since beta 2013, its just now happening to the rest of the classes.

RinaldoGandolphi

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you can no longer slot for 100% damage output and zero into defenses, you now have to adjust your build to what you are being killed by, it should have been this way all along, that is how we nightblades have been treated since beta 2013, its just now happening to the rest of the classes.

wut?

Sandman929

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you can no longer slot for 100% damage output and zero into defenses, you now have to adjust your build to what you are being killed by, it should have been this way all along, that is how we nightblades have been treated since beta 2013, its just now happening to the rest of the classes.

Yeah, it's always been an ordeal for a Nightblade to stack damage. Not like those DK's and Templars always out there ganking people.

frozywozy

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you can no longer slot for 100% damage output and zero into defenses, you now have to adjust your build to what you are being killed by, it should have been this way all along, that is how we nightblades have been treated since beta 2013, its just now happening to the rest of the classes.

Soris

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Ishammael you gonna reroll a stam sorc with Duroks+Sload and master’s DW?

NO.
The LORD ISHAMMAEL is a DRAGONKNIGHT, now and forever.

Besides, ain't nobody got time for that. I barely get to play a few hrs a wk these days.

I have just noticed that i was misreading your name for years as ISHMAEL. Wow, what a relief to have a pair of working eyes now.

Ishammael

Soris wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Ishammael you gonna reroll a stam sorc with Duroks+Sload and master’s DW?

NO.
The LORD ISHAMMAEL is a DRAGONKNIGHT, now and forever.

Besides, ain't nobody got time for that. I barely get to play a few hrs a wk these days.

I have just noticed that i was misreading your name for years as ISHMAEL. Wow, what a relief to have a pair of working eyes now.

Ishmael is the son of Abraham by Hagar (his wife's handmaiden).

ISHAMMAEL is a DRAGONKNIGHT, immortal and unwavering. Not to be confused with Ishamael, the BETRAYER OF HOPE, nemesis to Lews Therin.

Satiar

No connection to Moby *** eh?

Qbiken

Twohothardware wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Defile needs a rework(nerf), if you dont run a defile youre not doing cyrodiil right at this point, this needs to change.

Befoul needs to be removed from the CP tree. The game never needed increased healing reduction above what Major Defile already gives at 30%. It's what made StamNB and all sources of Defile as rediclously unbalanced as it's become when you can pump a measly 56 CP into Befoul and get 50%+ healing reduction on someone. With the number of sources for Defile right now they might as well just remove defile from the game altogether and add a 100% healing reduction while in Cyrodiil.

If you nerf/remove defiles, healing needs to be reworked as well. Both defile and healing is overperforming at the moment.

Vencenzo

Not sure if I'd call it meta.. But the best build ever was :

Blinding flashes (aoe 50% to miss and cause a long off balance animation)
+Perma block with ocassional drain to return stamina
+Twin sisters (when it was bugged and applied bleed to every block)
+Dynamic ult gen was giving one ult per bleed tick
+Original magika furnace with no CD (basically what drose is no with CD)
+Original Blazing shield that stacked prior damage recieved when recast and could hit for more than a person hp
+dump groud oil
+stack 7 instances of leeching bats

Ishammael

Vencenzo wrote: »

Not sure if I'd call it meta.. But the best build ever was :

Blinding flashes (aoe 50% to miss and cause a long off balance animation)
+Perma block with ocassional drain to return stamina
+Twin sisters (when it was bugged and applied bleed to every block)
+Dynamic ult gen was giving one ult per bleed tick
+Original magika furnace with no CD (basically what drose is no with CD)
+Original Blazing shield that stacked prior damage recieved when recast and could hit for more than a person hp
+dump groud oil
+stack 7 instances of leeching bats

Patch 1.4? I can't quite recall

IxSTALKERxI

Vencenzo wrote: »

Not sure if I'd call it meta.. But the best build ever was :

Blinding flashes (aoe 50% to miss and cause a long off balance animation)
+Perma block with ocassional drain to return stamina
+Twin sisters (when it was bugged and applied bleed to every block)
+Dynamic ult gen was giving one ult per bleed tick
+Original magika furnace with no CD (basically what drose is no with CD)
+Original Blazing shield that stacked prior damage recieved when recast and could hit for more than a person hp
+dump groud oil
+stack 7 instances of leeching bats

Oh god, I remember that.

Lexxypwns

I’ll say 1.3 again because that was when healing ward was bugged to give you the heal if you refreshed it

Egocanemveresum

(1) Reintroduce all stat softcaps. No more hyperstacking any 1 or 2 stats. No more infinite sustain. No more half-second TTK's. Combat becomes a contest of who can balance offense, defense, and resource management ... like it used to be.

(2) Nerf the CP system across the board. No star should give more than a 10% bonus. They introduced the CP system so getting rid of it would feel like losing content. But it just provides bonuses overly dramatic bonuses, currently. This helps remove infinite sustain or half-second TTK burst rotations as well.

(3) Rework most proc'd damage and healing sets. No single proc should carry damage or healing ... like it was, once upon a time.

(4) For sake of Jesus, Moses, Muhammed, Talos, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster PLEASE move server-side LoS checks back to the client and just make/license a bloody anticheat. Voila, the server now works.

Game fixed

Joy_Division

Vencenzo wrote: »

Not sure if I'd call it meta.. But the best build ever was :

Blinding flashes (aoe 50% to miss and cause a long off balance animation)
+Perma block with ocassional drain to return stamina
+Twin sisters (when it was bugged and applied bleed to every block)
+Dynamic ult gen was giving one ult per bleed tick
+Original magika furnace with no CD (basically what drose is no with CD)
+Original Blazing shield that stacked prior damage recieved when recast and could hit for more than a person hp
+dump groud oil
+stack 7 instances of leeching bats

And all that was necessary to beat a Mag DK back in the day

WaltherCarraway

Vencenzo wrote: »

Not sure if I'd call it meta.. But the best build ever was :

Blinding flashes (aoe 50% to miss and cause a long off balance animation)
+Perma block with ocassional drain to return stamina
+Twin sisters (when it was bugged and applied bleed to every block)
+Dynamic ult gen was giving one ult per bleed tick
+Original magika furnace with no CD (basically what drose is no with CD)
+Original Blazing shield that stacked prior damage recieved when recast and could hit for more than a person hp
+dump groud oil
+stack 7 instances of leeching bats

1.3 - 1.5 ftw

chris211

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Pvp is dead.

Dieing*

Stibbons

Shield stacking. It will rule 6 years in a row.