So with summerset we get a new shieldbreaker ?

PhoenixGrey

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

leb91han wrote: »

Was fighting the guy he is stam dk got me to low health phase kept spamming 2h execute on me . I dont use any hot ability i kept my 3 shields up used tripot for health but died . I sensed there was something wrong coz i dont die to an execution spam . Usually my 3 shields+ tripot and a streak can reset the fight and save me from the execute. But it didn’t so i figured there was something wrong i so i checked the recap.

For what it's worth, a bit of advice;

Oblivion has very distinct Audio. As a sorcerer you should learn to recognize this, and instantly realize the threat. You should know this, within the first 5 seconds of the fight. When you make this realization, you should either disengage completely, or adjust your playstyle. In your case, the adjustment should be to focus more on using Healing Ward and not so much the others shields. Healing Ward as a heal attached, AND the heal at the end should go through pretty easily, as he is not denting your shield (Ward heals for 100% of shield strength left).

Although, without a Hot or other instaheal slotted, you are definitely in for a difficult fight..

Shieldbreaker can have you dead before the 6 seconds are up for that healing ward to take effect

that is false, it takes a Long time to light attack through sorcerers shields. more like 3 to 5 minutes with light attacks.
remember shield breaker only works with light and heavy attacks, and you can outheal those attacks.
saying it happens in 6 seconds is just not true.

heavy attacks take a Long time to use and pretty much useless.
light attacks is the fastest way and it takes a long time to light attack a shield spamming sorcerer.

using shield breaker makes fighting shield stacking sorcerers a fair fight.

Sounds like a L2P issue. 3 mins is way too long.

again, that would be false.
i am referring to light attacking a sorcerer with light attacks to proc shield breaker as they continually heal themselves and that takes a long time, more then 3 minutes.
sorcerers can and Do live through sheild breaker set attacks.
my comment stands.

What heal ? Wow you seriously think a sorc can outheal shield breaker? With what exactly? Does sorc have a heal besides the pet ?

Besides with or without shield breaker 3 mins is way too long. You will get stomped by the next passing zerg if you fight someone that long

heal by using the healing staff and other methods of healing like you mentioned your pet as well as the alliance war skill called Vigor.

and to answer the second part of your question:

you made my point exactly and well.

the point is that shield breaker set takes forever to kill sorcerers. they out heal it and they kill the wearer because those light attacks from shield breaker take too long.
to kill sorcerers you have to weave in light attacks along with normal skill attacks Meaning it is not at all Over Powered.
shield breaker set is only an Aid to help break through a shield stacking sorcerers shields.
it helps make the fight balanced and fair against shield stacking sorcerers.
sometimes the sorcerer wins and sometimes you win, it makes it 50 / 50, if you wear that set.

thank you, for helping me prove my point.

I meant if you are taking 3 mins to kill a mag sorc using broken OP sets , I doubt you will be able to kill anything at all let alone in PVP

Feanor

Vigor. On a magSorc. Sure.

to kill sorcerers you have to weave in light attacks along with normal skill attacks Meaning it is not at all Over Powered.

This sounds like light attack weaving is some super exclusive technique that’s very hard to do and thus the set is balanced. It’s not. First of all, everyone who wants to be decent in PvE already has to weave. Same in PvP - the solid players all do it. Second, that’s exactly the point why oblivion damage is such a bad idea - it adds so much pressure on top of the light attacks (which were buffed with Summerset also) and the normal skills.

Koensol

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

leb91han wrote: »

Was fighting the guy he is stam dk got me to low health phase kept spamming 2h execute on me . I dont use any hot ability i kept my 3 shields up used tripot for health but died . I sensed there was something wrong coz i dont die to an execution spam . Usually my 3 shields+ tripot and a streak can reset the fight and save me from the execute. But it didn’t so i figured there was something wrong i so i checked the recap.

For what it's worth, a bit of advice;

Oblivion has very distinct Audio. As a sorcerer you should learn to recognize this, and instantly realize the threat. You should know this, within the first 5 seconds of the fight. When you make this realization, you should either disengage completely, or adjust your playstyle. In your case, the adjustment should be to focus more on using Healing Ward and not so much the others shields. Healing Ward as a heal attached, AND the heal at the end should go through pretty easily, as he is not denting your shield (Ward heals for 100% of shield strength left).

Although, without a Hot or other instaheal slotted, you are definitely in for a difficult fight..

Shieldbreaker can have you dead before the 6 seconds are up for that healing ward to take effect

that is false, it takes a Long time to light attack through sorcerers shields. more like 3 to 5 minutes with light attacks.
remember shield breaker only works with light and heavy attacks, and you can outheal those attacks.
saying it happens in 6 seconds is just not true.

heavy attacks take a Long time to use and pretty much useless.
light attacks is the fastest way and it takes a long time to light attack a shield spamming sorcerer.

using shield breaker makes fighting shield stacking sorcerers a fair fight.

Sounds like a L2P issue. 3 mins is way too long.

again, that would be false.
i am referring to light attacking a sorcerer with light attacks to proc shield breaker as they continually heal themselves and that takes a long time, more then 3 minutes.
sorcerers can and Do live through sheild breaker set attacks.
my comment stands.

What heal ? Wow you seriously think a sorc can outheal shield breaker? With what exactly? Does sorc have a heal besides the pet ?

Besides with or without shield breaker 3 mins is way too long. You will get stomped by the next passing zerg if you fight someone that long

heal by using the healing staff and other methods of healing like you mentioned your pet as well as the alliance war skill called Vigor.

and to answer the second part of your question:

you made my point exactly and well.

the point is that shield breaker set takes forever to kill sorcerers. they out heal it and they kill the wearer because those light attacks from shield breaker take too long.
to kill sorcerers you have to weave in light attacks along with normal skill attacks Meaning it is not at all Over Powered.
shield breaker set is only an Aid to help break through a shield stacking sorcerers shields.
it helps make the fight balanced and fair against shield stacking sorcerers.
sometimes the sorcerer wins and sometimes you win, it makes it 50 / 50, if you wear that set.

thank you, for helping me prove my point.

Mate, don't you ever get tired of posting insanely biased and nonsensical posts?

Micah_Bayer

dsalter wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Thats a Torugs Pact + Infused + Sloads. Going to try out the same thing myself. Just arguing with myself, what class to try it on.

But just for the record, your recap is showing 12 seconds (assuming no cooldown time) of Sloads Tick, and 3 enchants proccing from either LA or Ability.

Tripot is not a viable heal.

throw in 5 shieldbreaker as well and any sorc dumb enough to relie on shields will drop like a fly.

Dumb enough to rely on shields...So every sorc? You know that is our main defense right? You rely on vigor and rally...doesnt mean your dumb.

Micah_Bayer

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Just wait till you get multiple people stacking it on you.

Its gonna be a LOT more common than shieldbreaker since it affects everyone.

oh, so you mean you sorcerers can no longer fight groups of people and Live and kill all of them? and instead you die to groups attacking you just like the rest of us? well that's a good thing, and using shield breaker makes fighting shield stacking sorcerers a fair fight.

and instead just like the rest of us you die to a group of enemies attacking you?
to me, that looks like balance is starting to happen.

Look up 1vxing stamblade and Stam warden..Nuff said

Gnozo

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

leb91han wrote: »

Was fighting the guy he is stam dk got me to low health phase kept spamming 2h execute on me . I dont use any hot ability i kept my 3 shields up used tripot for health but died . I sensed there was something wrong coz i dont die to an execution spam . Usually my 3 shields+ tripot and a streak can reset the fight and save me from the execute. But it didn’t so i figured there was something wrong i so i checked the recap.

For what it's worth, a bit of advice;

Oblivion has very distinct Audio. As a sorcerer you should learn to recognize this, and instantly realize the threat. You should know this, within the first 5 seconds of the fight. When you make this realization, you should either disengage completely, or adjust your playstyle. In your case, the adjustment should be to focus more on using Healing Ward and not so much the others shields. Healing Ward as a heal attached, AND the heal at the end should go through pretty easily, as he is not denting your shield (Ward heals for 100% of shield strength left).

Although, without a Hot or other instaheal slotted, you are definitely in for a difficult fight..

Shieldbreaker can have you dead before the 6 seconds are up for that healing ward to take effect

that is false, it takes a Long time to light attack through sorcerers shields. more like 3 to 5 minutes with light attacks.
remember shield breaker only works with light and heavy attacks, and you can outheal those attacks.
saying it happens in 6 seconds is just not true.

heavy attacks take a Long time to use and pretty much useless.
light attacks is the fastest way and it takes a long time to light attack a shield spamming sorcerer.

using shield breaker makes fighting shield stacking sorcerers a fair fight.

Sounds like a L2P issue. 3 mins is way too long.

again, that would be false.
i am referring to light attacking a sorcerer with light attacks to proc shield breaker as they continually heal themselves and that takes a long time, more then 3 minutes.
sorcerers can and Do live through sheild breaker set attacks.
my comment stands.

What heal ? Wow you seriously think a sorc can outheal shield breaker? With what exactly? Does sorc have a heal besides the pet ?

Besides with or without shield breaker 3 mins is way too long. You will get stomped by the next passing zerg if you fight someone that long

heal by using the healing staff and other methods of healing like you mentioned your pet as well as the alliance war skill called Vigor.

and to answer the second part of your question:

you made my point exactly and well.

the point is that shield breaker set takes forever to kill sorcerers. they out heal it and they kill the wearer because those light attacks from shield breaker take too long.
to kill sorcerers you have to weave in light attacks along with normal skill attacks Meaning it is not at all Over Powered.
shield breaker set is only an Aid to help break through a shield stacking sorcerers shields.
it helps make the fight balanced and fair against shield stacking sorcerers.
sometimes the sorcerer wins and sometimes you win, it makes it 50 / 50, if you wear that set.

thank you, for helping me prove my point.

You just exposed urself suggesting a magicka sorcerer to slot vigor. A stamina based heal.

U have 0 knowledge about game mechanics. If u are such a professional sorc who can handle shieldbreaker. Dude lets meet on pts. Duel me in ur sorc Build who can survive shieldbreaker and Not being completly *** with 6 heal skills on ur bar

Aedaryl

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

leb91han wrote: »

I died to this set solo am i the strongest sorc out there ? Definitely not ! there are hundreds of sorcs better than me but, im no the worst sorc either, and definetely not a “joke” . I didnt have a hot ability which im sure 99% of sorcs dont have it too. Sorc Shield, light armor shield and resto ward are my defences which i am pretty sure the designers of this game intended for sorcs to use them as class mechanic. The numbers of the sload dmg i took are crazy thats around 17 k dmg lol . I died and my shields were up if thats not broken to u then i dunno what to say. If they wanna make sets that go through shields then i got a suggestion even better : just delete shields from the game and light armor too. (U know coz in light armor with no shields but with 2k crit resistance we still take huge dmg like 4-6k from a spammable like pierce armor) so they better delete shields and la with it too. What a joke design of a game.

If you can't manage 853 damage per second, then you need to get good, sorry.

The only problem with this set is the fact it can be stacked. Alone, it's not overperforming.

So how much have you been enjoying your new Sload toy? /s

Past a certain point one has to wonder how many of the snarky L2P parrots in the Sload threads are simply trying to keep their new shiney from being nerfed?

Your point might have been valid if all class specs had viable access to a strong direct heal/HoT, but they don't.

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Ppl who tell sorcs to "just slot rapid regen" etc, should also keep in mind the opportunity costs. What's the oportunity cost of swapping say Shacklebreaker for Sloads, vs having to drop a skill (sorcs don't actually have the bar space anymore with frags nerf) for rapid regen (which won't even keep up with the oblivion dmg)? I susptect many ppl suggesting that are disingenuous, so it's a retorical question.

This is a l2p issue, really. Sload damage isn't a problem at all.

You know infused + oblivion glyph on weaving deal more damage than sload ? You coundn't survive someone with infused + oblivion glyph before summerset ?

853 damage per second is something you can deal with. HP regen, rapid regeneration, and the usual healing ward first heal tick + last heal tick is far enough to out heal 853 damage per second.

Giving up shackle breaker for sload is give up : 1k magicka + 1k stamina +129 mag recovery + 129 stam recovery. You are loosing a lot of your most important stats. This isn't something you can give up easely.

We sorcs are complaining about shield breaker for years and know you are telling me you can't deal wit sload.

Sload over 6s is 5118 damage, and a shieldbreaker *** over 6s can deal 21500 damage. Sload deal 4.2x less damage than shield breaker.

Just wake up, you see oblivion damage and jump in the nerf train being afraid to be shieldbreaked in an other way. You aren't, the set deal 4.2× less damage (if sload is perma proc, which doesn't happen).

WhipSmartMcoy

As a Nb main who survived being pulled out of cloak by light attacks, dots, Duroks, and at one point volatile armor, I say bring it on Sload.

technohic

Does maim affect the damage a player
Does with oblivion? I think it’s kind of *** that battle spirit doesn’t but expect maim wouldn’t

Aedaryl

technohic wrote: »

Does maim affect the damage a player
Does with oblivion? I think it’s kind of *** that battle spirit doesn’t but expect maim wouldn’t

It's *** you can't deal with 853 damage per second.

arkansas_ESO

technohic wrote: »

Does maim affect the damage a player
Does with oblivion? I think it’s kind of *** that battle spirit doesn’t but expect maim wouldn’t

Unless it's recently been changed, no, nothing increases or decreases Oblivion damage, though some things (such as Berserk buffs) can increase the tooltip of Oblivion abilities, but not the actual damage. I've heard some people mention that the Thick-Skinned CP decreases Sload's 5pc damage, but I haven't been able to log in and check.

technohic

Aedaryl wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Does maim affect the damage a player
Does with oblivion? I think it’s kind of *** that battle spirit doesn’t but expect maim wouldn’t

It's *** you can't deal with 853 damage per second.

Lol. I feel sorry for people so wound up about a game that just asking a question and stating opinion sparks such a personal attack. Just can’t have an intelligent conversation with them. But maybe we can try.

Relax dude. I’m just looking at an angle on how much it matters and if there’s counterplay. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s 1 DPS; battle spirit exists so huge damage , heals, and shields for PVE still works somewhat similar in PVP where health pools aren’t as big as trial bosses nor do we hit as hard.

Aedaryl

technohic wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Does maim affect the damage a player
Does with oblivion? I think it’s kind of *** that battle spirit doesn’t but expect maim wouldn’t

It's *** you can't deal with 853 damage per second.

Lol. I feel sorry for people so wound up about a game that just asking a question and stating opinion sparks such a personal attack. Just can’t have an intelligent conversation with them. But maybe we can try.

Relax dude. I’m just looking at an angle on how much it matters and if there’s counterplay. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s 1 DPS; battle spirit exists so huge damage , heals, and shields for PVE still works somewhat similar in PVP where health pools aren’t as big as trial bosses nor do we hit as hard.

What your are saying is dumb, that's the point.

853 DPS in PvE for a 5 pieces set is absolute TRASH.

The set was designed for PvP and the number was made for PvP.

You don't need battle spirit on something that already have PvP numbers.

barshemm

Ran shield breaker bow with Oblivion enchants. Wrecked a free sorcs, got wrecked by a lot sorcs. Got more t bags than usual.

Honestly most sorcs I encountered one on one were able to deal with shield breaker just fine. Even if I defiled them with incap.

Never played mag sorc so not sure what all the did. Did see mutagen or rapid Regen going off. Some had pets, not all. Most were running lightning form and I'm assuming surge, as a Stam sorc surge is a lot of my healing even in low crit builds. I assume mag sorcs run higher crit builds for better burst.

Just saying though, people complaining about shield breaker, its not as op as you claim. I've run it, was wrecked by many sorcs. It also was a wasted 5pc against anyone not running a shield.

Aedaryl

barshemm wrote: »

Ran shield breaker bow with Oblivion enchants. Wrecked a free sorcs, got wrecked by a lot sorcs. Got more t bags than usual.

Honestly most sorcs I encountered one on one were able to deal with shield breaker just fine. Even if I defiled them with incap.

Never played mag sorc so not sure what all the did. Did see mutagen or rapid Regen going off. Some had pets, not all. Most were running lightning form and I'm assuming surge, as a Stam sorc surge is a lot of my healing even in low crit builds. I assume mag sorcs run higher crit builds for better burst.

Just saying though, people complaining about shield breaker, its not as op as you claim. I've run it, was wrecked by many sorcs. It also was a wasted 5pc against anyone not running a shield.

sorry but you need to l2p before commenting here.

You don't even know what sorc does like you said, how do you want to beat them if you don't know what they do ?

Shieldbreaker alone is 21500 damage in 6s, add oblivion glyph and you are probably at 26k damage in 6s. No sorc can heal for 26k HP in 6s, even less possible while defiled.

If you aren't able to spam 10 times the left click, I'm sorry but you might think a lot to l2p.

Gilvoth

Aedaryl wrote: »

barshemm wrote: »

Ran shield breaker bow with Oblivion enchants. Wrecked a free sorcs, got wrecked by a lot sorcs. Got more t bags than usual.

Honestly most sorcs I encountered one on one were able to deal with shield breaker just fine. Even if I defiled them with incap.

Never played mag sorc so not sure what all the did. Did see mutagen or rapid Regen going off. Some had pets, not all. Most were running lightning form and I'm assuming surge, as a Stam sorc surge is a lot of my healing even in low crit builds. I assume mag sorcs run higher crit builds for better burst.

Just saying though, people complaining about shield breaker, its not as op as you claim. I've run it, was wrecked by many sorcs. It also was a wasted 5pc against anyone not running a shield.

Shieldbreaker alone is 21500 damage in 6s,


l2p.

really?
that is completely false. especially if that sorcerer is healing and dodging and hiding behind trees and structures and doing high damage to you.

heres the reality:
in order for shield breaker to work you have to use light attacks (infact it is only an aid in pvp to fight a shield stacker and heavy attacks would take probably Double the amount of time and he probably would outheal Heavy attacks by just his health recovery alone) and, it takes a long time for those light attacks to actually kill a sorcerer who is healing and also attacking you while you also try to heal and fight him. as well as that sorcerer dodging and hiding behind trees and structures and doing high damage to you. you will end up dead alot faster then you will kill him.

what you are suggesting can only happen if that sorcerer is not moving and allows you to light attack him to death which would still take a long time. and you would die before he does.

shield breaker is only an aid in battle against shield stackers, nothing more.

Gilvoth

Aedaryl wrote: »

barshemm wrote: »

Ran shield breaker bow with Oblivion enchants. Wrecked a free sorcs, got wrecked by a lot sorcs. Got more t bags than usual.

Honestly most sorcs I encountered one on one were able to deal with shield breaker just fine. Even if I defiled them with incap.

Never played mag sorc so not sure what all the did. Did see mutagen or rapid Regen going off. Some had pets, not all. Most were running lightning form and I'm assuming surge, as a Stam sorc surge is a lot of my healing even in low crit builds. I assume mag sorcs run higher crit builds for better burst.

Just saying though, people complaining about shield breaker, its not as op as you claim. I've run it, was wrecked by many sorcs. It also was a wasted 5pc against anyone not running a shield.

sorry but you need to l2p before commenting here.

does it say that in the forum Terms of Service or the Forum Rules? i doubt it. infact we are allowed to share our math and beliefs and our experiences in eso and talk about them here, and with shield breaker set it takes atleast 3 minutes to light attack a shield stacker to death by only using light attacks.

Gilvoth

barshemm wrote: »

Ran shield breaker bow with Oblivion enchants. Wrecked a free sorcs, got wrecked by a lot sorcs. Got more t bags than usual.

Honestly most sorcs I encountered one on one were able to deal with shield breaker just fine. Even if I defiled them with incap.

Never played mag sorc so not sure what all the did. Did see mutagen or rapid Regen going off. Some had pets, not all. Most were running lightning form and I'm assuming surge, as a Stam sorc surge is a lot of my healing even in low crit builds. I assume mag sorcs run higher crit builds for better burst.

Just saying though, people complaining about shield breaker, its not as op as you claim. I've run it, was wrecked by many sorcs. It also was a wasted 5pc against anyone not running a shield.

that is the same experience for everyone that uses shield breaker set.
you are correct and that is the reality of the shield breaker set is just as you described.

Ragnaroek93

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

barshemm wrote: »

Ran shield breaker bow with Oblivion enchants. Wrecked a free sorcs, got wrecked by a lot sorcs. Got more t bags than usual.

Honestly most sorcs I encountered one on one were able to deal with shield breaker just fine. Even if I defiled them with incap.

Never played mag sorc so not sure what all the did. Did see mutagen or rapid Regen going off. Some had pets, not all. Most were running lightning form and I'm assuming surge, as a Stam sorc surge is a lot of my healing even in low crit builds. I assume mag sorcs run higher crit builds for better burst.

Just saying though, people complaining about shield breaker, its not as op as you claim. I've run it, was wrecked by many sorcs. It also was a wasted 5pc against anyone not running a shield.

sorry but you need to l2p before commenting here.

does it say that in the forum Terms of Service or the Forum Rules? i doubt it. infact we are allowed to share our math and beliefs and our experiences in eso and talk about them here, and with shield breaker set it takes atleast 3 minutes to light attack a shield stacker to death by only using light attacks.

Even tho I doubt that the average Cyrodiil sorc survives 3 minutes against shieldbreaker light attack spam, why do you expect to kill people by spamming light attacks? Burst the sorc to low health and finish him off with Shieldbreaker.

Shieldbreaker is a set from the past when stamina chars didn't have physical damage ultimates (and barely any physical damage skills except a spammable) when shields lasted for 20 seconds. It should be reworked now (same as Shattering Blows) because hardcounters are bad.

Gilvoth

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

barshemm wrote: »

Ran shield breaker bow with Oblivion enchants. Wrecked a free sorcs, got wrecked by a lot sorcs. Got more t bags than usual.

Honestly most sorcs I encountered one on one were able to deal with shield breaker just fine. Even if I defiled them with incap.

Never played mag sorc so not sure what all the did. Did see mutagen or rapid Regen going off. Some had pets, not all. Most were running lightning form and I'm assuming surge, as a Stam sorc surge is a lot of my healing even in low crit builds. I assume mag sorcs run higher crit builds for better burst.

Just saying though, people complaining about shield breaker, its not as op as you claim. I've run it, was wrecked by many sorcs. It also was a wasted 5pc against anyone not running a shield.

sorry but you need to l2p before commenting here.

does it say that in the forum Terms of Service or the Forum Rules? i doubt it. infact we are allowed to share our math and beliefs and our experiences in eso and talk about them here, and with shield breaker set it takes atleast 3 minutes to light attack a shield stacker to death by only using light attacks.

Even tho I doubt that the average Cyrodiil sorc survives 3 minutes against shieldbreaker light attack spam, why do you expect to kill people by spamming light attacks? Burst the sorc to low health and finish him off with Shieldbreaker.

Shieldbreaker is a set from the past when stamina chars didn't have physical damage ultimates (and barely any physical damage skills except a spammable) when shields lasted for 20 seconds. It should be reworked now (same as Shattering Blows) because hardcounters are bad.

again, this is false as well.

first off, we should be allowed to play as we wish in eso. because it is advertised that eso is able to be played by any class having the ability to play any style we wish. and ill even quote a dev:

"if you want to simply enter eso and all you do is pick flowers all day then eso allows you to do that"

the playstyle i am allowed in eso to use light attacks on a sorcerer is something the devs designed and allow me to do. and believe me we are allowed to do that.

second:

your mention that this set ios from the past is simply falls inline with every other set in eso that has been there since launch. this set is not needing rework as you suggested because it is doing exactly what it claims it should do IE (it breaks shields)

the intention was to counter shield spaming and it works but sadly it only will work if you light attack those shields.
you can use heavy attacks but it take WAY too long to heavy attack.
the only real solution to it working decently and somewhat fast is by light attacks and those light attacks take a long time to actually kill the shield.

it is a perfect Aid in battling shield spamming sorcerers, but it does help.

Ragnaroek93

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

barshemm wrote: »

Ran shield breaker bow with Oblivion enchants. Wrecked a free sorcs, got wrecked by a lot sorcs. Got more t bags than usual.

Honestly most sorcs I encountered one on one were able to deal with shield breaker just fine. Even if I defiled them with incap.

Never played mag sorc so not sure what all the did. Did see mutagen or rapid Regen going off. Some had pets, not all. Most were running lightning form and I'm assuming surge, as a Stam sorc surge is a lot of my healing even in low crit builds. I assume mag sorcs run higher crit builds for better burst.

Just saying though, people complaining about shield breaker, its not as op as you claim. I've run it, was wrecked by many sorcs. It also was a wasted 5pc against anyone not running a shield.

sorry but you need to l2p before commenting here.

does it say that in the forum Terms of Service or the Forum Rules? i doubt it. infact we are allowed to share our math and beliefs and our experiences in eso and talk about them here, and with shield breaker set it takes atleast 3 minutes to light attack a shield stacker to death by only using light attacks.

Even tho I doubt that the average Cyrodiil sorc survives 3 minutes against shieldbreaker light attack spam, why do you expect to kill people by spamming light attacks? Burst the sorc to low health and finish him off with Shieldbreaker.

Shieldbreaker is a set from the past when stamina chars didn't have physical damage ultimates (and barely any physical damage skills except a spammable) when shields lasted for 20 seconds. It should be reworked now (same as Shattering Blows) because hardcounters are bad.

again, this is false as well.

first off, we should be allowed to play as we wish in eso. because it is advertised that eso is able to be played by any class having the ability to play any style we wish. and ill even quote a dev:

"if you want to simply enter eso and all you do is pick flowers all day then eso allows you to do that"

the playstyle i am allowed in eso to use light attacks on a sorcerer is something the devs designed and allow me to do. and believe me we are allowed to do that.

second:

your mention that this set ios from the past is simply falls inline with every other set in eso that has been there since launch. this set is not needing rework as you suggested because it is doing exactly what it claims it should do IE (it breaks shields)

the intention was to counter shield spaming and it works but sadly it only will work if you light attack those shields.
you can use heavy attacks but it take WAY too long to heavy attack.
the only real solution to it working decently and somewhat fast is by light attacks and those light attacks take a long time to actually kill the shield.

it is a perfect Aid in battling shield spamming sorcerers, but it does help.

So people need to die against your light attack spam because that's the way how you want to play ESO. What if they want to play how they want to play too and if this contains not getting killed by a light attack spammer who smashes one button?

Thogard

Don’t try to argue with dwemer paleoligist. Have you ever gotten a feeling that you can tell someone’s skill level by the opinions they have? D_P is the easiest person to do that for.

Feanor

this set is not needing rework as you suggested because it is doing exactly what it claims it should do IE (it breaks shields)

No it doesn’t. It bypasses them. If it broke them bit by bit instead no one would complain about it.

But we’ve had these discussions over and over in the past. Bad players will always defend and cling to their crutches.

Minalan

Thogard wrote: »

Don’t try to argue with dwemer paleoligist. Have you ever gotten a feeling that you can tell someone’s skill level by the opinions they have? D_P is the easiest person to do that for.

Yes. Yes you do get that impression.

He’s not the only one though that thinks that shieldbreaker is fine, and sloads is broken OP because it breaks cloak.

GreenSoup2HoT

everyone and there mother is gonna be using lingering hp and resto ults to combat all this oblivion.

WhipSmartMcoy wrote: »

As a Nb main who survived being pulled out of cloak by light attacks, dots, Duroks, and at one point volatile armor, I say bring it on Sload.

So true lol. Gap closers. Sheer Venom. Piercing Mark. Mage Light. Detect pots. Infernal Guardian. Vicecannon. Sorc Curse.

Its not like nightblade cloak has enough counters already.

I feel like lingering health pots gonna be making a comeback.

technohic

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

everyone and there mother is gonna be using lingering hp and resto ults to combat all this oblivion.

WhipSmartMcoy wrote: »

As a Nb main who survived being pulled out of cloak by light attacks, dots, Duroks, and at one point volatile armor, I say bring it on Sload.

So true lol. Gap closers. Sheer Venom. Piercing Mark. Mage Light. Detect pots. Infernal Guardian. Vicecannon. Sorc Curse.

Its not like nightblade cloak has enough counters already.

I feel like lingering health pots gonna be making a comeback.

My NB is running lingering health and troll King now. Partly because my stamplar sucks up all my immovable speed pots but it was also the plan with losing heal crits to supplement a bit. I guess if I can just get out of LOS enough for sloads to fall off so I can cloak; thats my plan.

PhoenixGrey

Aedaryl wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

leb91han wrote: »

I died to this set solo am i the strongest sorc out there ? Definitely not ! there are hundreds of sorcs better than me but, im no the worst sorc either, and definetely not a “joke” . I didnt have a hot ability which im sure 99% of sorcs dont have it too. Sorc Shield, light armor shield and resto ward are my defences which i am pretty sure the designers of this game intended for sorcs to use them as class mechanic. The numbers of the sload dmg i took are crazy thats around 17 k dmg lol . I died and my shields were up if thats not broken to u then i dunno what to say. If they wanna make sets that go through shields then i got a suggestion even better : just delete shields from the game and light armor too. (U know coz in light armor with no shields but with 2k crit resistance we still take huge dmg like 4-6k from a spammable like pierce armor) so they better delete shields and la with it too. What a joke design of a game.

If you can't manage 853 damage per second, then you need to get good, sorry.

The only problem with this set is the fact it can be stacked. Alone, it's not overperforming.

So how much have you been enjoying your new Sload toy? /s

Past a certain point one has to wonder how many of the snarky L2P parrots in the Sload threads are simply trying to keep their new shiney from being nerfed?

Your point might have been valid if all class specs had viable access to a strong direct heal/HoT, but they don't.

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Ppl who tell sorcs to "just slot rapid regen" etc, should also keep in mind the opportunity costs. What's the oportunity cost of swapping say Shacklebreaker for Sloads, vs having to drop a skill (sorcs don't actually have the bar space anymore with frags nerf) for rapid regen (which won't even keep up with the oblivion dmg)? I susptect many ppl suggesting that are disingenuous, so it's a retorical question.

This is a l2p issue, really. Sload damage isn't a problem at all.

You know infused + oblivion glyph on weaving deal more damage than sload ? You coundn't survive someone with infused + oblivion glyph before summerset ?

853 damage per second is something you can deal with. HP regen, rapid regeneration, and the usual healing ward first heal tick + last heal tick is far enough to out heal 853 damage per second.

The issue is when getting xv1'd by sload spammers. Its a proc set meaning you don't even have to play properly to proc it. And this set can proc on dots right ? (correct me if I am wrong) which means it can essentially be a permanent effect from multiple sources ?

Also if people say counterplay is to slot rapid regen, undo vamp and slot pet, you may as well re-roll into another healing spec.

Aedaryl

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

leb91han wrote: »

I died to this set solo am i the strongest sorc out there ? Definitely not ! there are hundreds of sorcs better than me but, im no the worst sorc either, and definetely not a “joke” . I didnt have a hot ability which im sure 99% of sorcs dont have it too. Sorc Shield, light armor shield and resto ward are my defences which i am pretty sure the designers of this game intended for sorcs to use them as class mechanic. The numbers of the sload dmg i took are crazy thats around 17 k dmg lol . I died and my shields were up if thats not broken to u then i dunno what to say. If they wanna make sets that go through shields then i got a suggestion even better : just delete shields from the game and light armor too. (U know coz in light armor with no shields but with 2k crit resistance we still take huge dmg like 4-6k from a spammable like pierce armor) so they better delete shields and la with it too. What a joke design of a game.

If you can't manage 853 damage per second, then you need to get good, sorry.

The only problem with this set is the fact it can be stacked. Alone, it's not overperforming.

So how much have you been enjoying your new Sload toy? /s

Past a certain point one has to wonder how many of the snarky L2P parrots in the Sload threads are simply trying to keep their new shiney from being nerfed?

Your point might have been valid if all class specs had viable access to a strong direct heal/HoT, but they don't.

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Ppl who tell sorcs to "just slot rapid regen" etc, should also keep in mind the opportunity costs. What's the oportunity cost of swapping say Shacklebreaker for Sloads, vs having to drop a skill (sorcs don't actually have the bar space anymore with frags nerf) for rapid regen (which won't even keep up with the oblivion dmg)? I susptect many ppl suggesting that are disingenuous, so it's a retorical question.

This is a l2p issue, really. Sload damage isn't a problem at all.

You know infused + oblivion glyph on weaving deal more damage than sload ? You coundn't survive someone with infused + oblivion glyph before summerset ?

853 damage per second is something you can deal with. HP regen, rapid regeneration, and the usual healing ward first heal tick + last heal tick is far enough to out heal 853 damage per second.

The issue is when getting xv1'd by sload spammers. Its a proc set meaning you don't even have to play properly to proc it. And this set can proc on dots right ? (correct me if I am wrong) which means it can essentially be a permanent effect from multiple sources ?

Also if people say counterplay is to slot rapid regen, undo vamp and slot pet, you may as well re-roll into another healing spec.

You don't need all of that to deal with 853 damage per second. Take rapid regeneration if you want on top of healing ward. Or use matriach if u like the playstyle.

Ultimate_Overlord

FaIr FiGhT sOrCeReR sHiElDbReAkEr FuN SnEaKy ClOaK fAiR fIgHt BlAdE sLoAd ShIeLd FaIr FiGhT sTeAltH sPaM iNvIsIbIlItY lIgHt AtTaCk BaLaNcE fAiR fIgHt
So yeah, shieldbreaker is balanced.

Biro123

I don't think I can recommend using the matriarch this patch..with all the extra damage out there it dies way too fast. (I've used it almost constantly in cyro for the last 2 years, btw.)

rapid regeneration is fine for handling a single sload dot ticking away under your shield. But what's killing me is just the increased damage overall - taking shields down as quick as they've cast. That's the problem I'm wrestling with at the mo.