Battlegrounds Available to All...Great Idea on Paper, Bad Idea in Practice

arena25

So, as was previously announced, when Summerset drops (or has dropped, if you're a PC/Mac player like me), battlegrounds will be available to all...as in, they're moving the Battlegrounds from a PvP mode requiring an additional $60 purchase to play to a PvP mode available with the base game for $40. And on paper, it sounds like a great idea...no more needing to buy a chapter just to test out your glorious PvP build, instead just reach level 10 and get going! And I thought it would be a great idea, too!

But after just 1 match (and I know, there's such a thing as small sample size); I feel as though it's a bad idea for one reason and one reason only...random bot trains will ruin battlegrounds, especially the Team Deathmatch mode. Cos greedy individuals (albeit those who can afford to pay $160 bucks for 4 accounts, link up all 4 accounts with some assistive technology, and pray to Satan you don't get caught in the anti-bot technology's sweep) will make bot trains and run wild in battlegrounds, then commence in illicit currency-selling or account-selling schemes. And based on my sample size of 1 battleground, bots are already hard at work ruining battlegrounds (Final score: 510-60-30) just so they can engage in illicit business with unsuspecting new or returning players on June 5th.

If we can find a way to stop these illicit OP bot trains from ruining my matches, I will happily throw my support behind Battlegrounds for all again. Until then though, I will hate this idea with a passion. No offense meant to Zeni, but why should we allow battlegrounds to all players when bots can ruin it for others?

Sorry if this post looks idiotic. I'm tired, and I don't write/type well when I'm tired.

Night, y'all.

Signed,
Lord Arena25

starkerealm

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

Prabooo

battlegrounds bots? wtf seriously?

arena25

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

It's very unlikely that sucky players alone explain away the 0 deaths the winning team got away with. And also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

Aliyavana

Are premades still a problem

arena25

Aliyavana wrote: »

Are premades still a problem

I haven't seen a premade team that walks in single-file lines, breaking only for combat; and also only attacks when you attack.

Recremen

arena25 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Are premades still a problem

I haven't seen a premade team that walks in single-file lines, breaking only for combat; and also only attacks when you attack.

Get a video, that sounds shady.

arena25

Recremen wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Are premades still a problem

I haven't seen a premade team that walks in single-file lines, breaking only for combat; and also only attacks when you attack.

Get a video, that sounds shady.

If I knew how to capture in-game video, it would be in ESO Customer Support's inbox 3 hours ago.

And I wish that you could report enemy players...I know it would probably be abused, but the behavior the enemy team displayed in that match warrants an investigation.

geonsocal

arena25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

what the ***???

that is some crazy ***...

arena25

geonsocal wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

what the ***???

that is some crazy ***...

Trust me, if I see that behavior again, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to grab a screenshot or (preferably) in-game video...Zeni needs to fight this fast before it grows.

Lylith

'if you build it, they will game it.'

Thogard

I don’t buy it. A lot of teams could run like that, but CC is prevalent in BGs and would mess up the bot pathing.

OP did you play a lot of BGs before this?

Was this in the >50 BGs?

Ydrisselle

geonsocal wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

what the ***???

that is some crazy ***...

It sounds like a quite normal multibox setup. It's allowed for some games and not for others.

starkerealm

arena25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

It's very unlikely that sucky players alone explain away the 0 deaths the winning team got away with. And also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

Wait.

Wait... wait, wait, you're telling me that you lost to a four jabs spamming bots?

Linaleah

arena25 wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

what the ***???

that is some crazy ***...

Trust me, if I see that behavior again, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to grab a screenshot or (preferably) in-game video...Zeni needs to fight this fast before it grows.

if you have windows 10, you should have a built in gamebar. press windows key+ G simultaneously and you should have a recording bar pop up on your screen, for me its top left corner. press record - voila, in game video recorded

Lord_Zele

You know those are players.. right?
Maybe you just aren't as good as you think you are?
Or are just gettin' queued against organized premades. It's pretty sad that you think they may be bots.
The Bots you find open world are slow reaction and have very awkward movements, which is nothing like the claimed 'bots' you've seen in BGs.
I hope you aren't one of those people that calls better players 'cheaters' and 'exploiters' as well. Not a good look on you.

NewBlacksmurf

It’s not bad

Consider it’s one way to better identify bottling but on the other side of things.....ZOS doesn’t take any ban seriously so maybe it time to consider a break from that for a bit

Tasear

arena25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

It's very unlikely that sucky players alone explain away the 0 deaths the winning team got away with. And also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

Well now @ZOS_GinaBruno hope you see this.

OGLezard

arena25 wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

what the ***???

that is some crazy ***...

Trust me, if I see that behavior again, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to grab a screenshot or (preferably) in-game video...Zeni needs to fight this fast before it grows.

Geforce game experience.....its called shadow play

Aurielle

Sounds like multiboxing. Boxers RUINED LOTRO’s small scale PVP for me, and the devs turned a blind eye because they got more money out of it. For the sake of those of you who run Battlegrounds on PC, I really hope for your sake that ZOS takes disciplinary action against anyone found multiboxing. There are counters to boxing in large scale PVP zones like Cyrodiil, but it can kill small scale really quickly.

starkerealm wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

It's very unlikely that sucky players alone explain away the 0 deaths the winning team got away with. And also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

Wait.

Wait... wait, wait, you're telling me that you lost to a four jabs spamming bots?

Don’t underestimate how cancerous multiboxing can be. Imagine fighting solo against one good PVPer; now imagine that the same PVPer has three other accounts in tow that are executing the same keystrokes as the main character simultaneously. For most people, it’s game over before they’ve even had a chance to react.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

This smells wrong, I've done hundreds of BGs and I've never seen bots or multiboxers.

And then you run into one on your first BG? I don't buy it.

Sixty5

Sounds like dawnbreaker fodder to me tbh.

Bots tend to be pretty dumb.

Drachenfier

I thought premades were going to have their own queues with Summerset

MLGProPlayer

Linaleah wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

what the ***???

that is some crazy ***...

Trust me, if I see that behavior again, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to grab a screenshot or (preferably) in-game video...Zeni needs to fight this fast before it grows.

if you have windows 10, you should have a built in gamebar. press windows key+ G simultaneously and you should have a recording bar pop up on your screen, for me its top left corner. press record - voila, in game video recorded

If you have an Nvidia GPU, you also get a recorder through their overlay software (enable in Geforce Experience).

damdamjel

So you're suggesting to have a Captcha before entering BG? well maybe that would work. Clicking street signs in ESO never been so new. LOL

zaria

Sixty5 wrote: »

Sounds like dawnbreaker fodder to me tbh.

Bots tend to be pretty dumb.

This, now the problem is if you get grouped with one. This was an problem back then I played WOW, especially at night lots of bots in battlegrounds.
Now the bot don't have to win, as long as it queue over and over, that was how the wow bot operated to.

Enslaved

U were hit by a premade group.

Linaleah

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

It's possible you found players who suck. That's an option, right?

I suspect, that botters dumb enough to queue into battlegrounds are going to find some very vicious surprises in store down the line.

also doesn't explain away why the 4 winning team members, while traveling from fight to fight, were always running in a single file line (and I do mean, single file line...you could trace each player's path with a piece of string and find that the strings overlap.

what the ***???

that is some crazy ***...

Trust me, if I see that behavior again, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to grab a screenshot or (preferably) in-game video...Zeni needs to fight this fast before it grows.

if you have windows 10, you should have a built in gamebar. press windows key+ G simultaneously and you should have a recording bar pop up on your screen, for me its top left corner. press record - voila, in game video recorded

If you have an Nvidia GPU, you also get a recorder through their overlay software (enable in Geforce Experience).

that you do, but from trying both so far I prefer game bar. in any case, there are options that don't require anything extra to start recording right now.

Sharee

Aurielle wrote: »

Don’t underestimate how cancerous multiboxing can be. Imagine fighting solo against one good PVPer; now imagine that the same PVPer has three other accounts in tow that are executing the same keystrokes as the main character simultaneously. For most people, it’s game over before they’ve even had a chance to react.

I still don't believe this would work in ESO PvP. I mean, sure, he has 3 other accounts tied to the same keyboard. He hits a dawnbreaker, you get hit with four.

But what is he going to do when i pull one of his characters off a ledge with my DK?

Most likely the OP just ran into a stick-on-crown premade.

Aurielle

Sharee wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Don’t underestimate how cancerous multiboxing can be. Imagine fighting solo against one good PVPer; now imagine that the same PVPer has three other accounts in tow that are executing the same keystrokes as the main character simultaneously. For most people, it’s game over before they’ve even had a chance to react.

I still don't believe this would work in ESO PvP. I mean, sure, he has 3 other accounts tied to the same keyboard. He hits a dawnbreaker, you get hit with four.

But what is he going to do when i pull one of his characters off a ledge with my DK?

Most likely the OP just ran into a stick-on-crown premade.

What he’s going to do is take his train back to the spawn point and begin again. Killing multiboxers’ characters does little to deter them. The only thing that DOES deter them is permabans. Given the fact that farming bots continue to run rampant in this game every day, I don’t feel confident that permabans would happen...

Also, no stick-on-crown premade group sticks to the crown in the sort of perfect, single-file line the OP is describing. That is the tell-tale sign of a multiboxer.

Sharee

Aurielle wrote: »

What he’s going to do is take his train back to the spawn point and begin again. Killing multiboxers’ characters does little to deter them.

With the amount of knockbacks, pulls, and general CC in eso, he would spend 90% of his time going back to spawn trying to realign the clones. I really don't think this is feasible in ESO (and while anecdotal, i never saw such a train in the 4 years i've been pvp-ing here)

Aurielle wrote: »

Also, no stick-on-crown premade group sticks to the crown in the sort of perfect, single-file line the OP is describing. That is the tell-tale sign of a multiboxer.

Or maybe the OP is just exaggerating. Hard to tell without a video.