Is Zaan's Broken?

Lord_Ninka

Yes

It's ridiculous, counter-intuitive, and unfair that it goes through walls, floors, and other obstacles. Like any channeled effect it should break when you break line of sight, otherwise it's extremely hard to counter that extremely strong 5 second channel. Maybe there'd still be room for fine tuning if you fixed that, but I think it would be approaching something very reasonable if it didn't go through obstacles.

If it really is intentional that it goes through everything - although that's hard to believe - then the damage should be about halved imo, the lack of LoS requirement makes it that powerful.

Mattoxx96

Yes

Yes it's cancer, just like soul assault

SugaComa

Yes

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Yes it is.
A set that can kill a player on its own needs to have very very easy counterplay.
Zaan doesn't have that, the wearer can easily stay in a 10m range of it's pretty and force them to take absurd amounts of damage.

A long cooldown doesn't justify a set that makes you win so many fights or apply ∅5k pressure over 5 seconds. Most ults are not able to do that while having more drawbacks, cost something and have easier counterplay

In battle grounds I got hit by a 15k zaan now monster sets should there to give you an edge, a step up , life save, not to do the whole job for you

You got hit for 15k damage over 5 seconds? Wow thats almost like 3k dps total!!!

I'm new to battle grounds and with no CP I only have 19k health which means 79% of the damage I was hit with cam from a monster set

It's not the damage that's the problem so much as I know it's a build up over time the problem is that that build up is allowed to happen cos the so called orange beam is not appearing on screen so I can't see my self recieving damage so you feel that you can handle the small damage you can see until it's too late your dead ... Zaans is called a cancer set not cos it's OP as such but because it's the invisible killer

ShadowMonarch

No

SugaComa wrote: »

Zaans is called a cancer set not cos it's OP as such but because it's the invisible killer

If its not appearing for you it is probably a issue with your graphical settings or your PC hardware or possibly your connection to the game server. I have no problem seeing it when it is procced on me or if I have procced it on sombody else.

Most likely a problem with the game server, kinda like how a snipe spammer will fire off 3 snipes at your then on your screen they all land at the same time.

Ragnaroek93

Please nerf it

Easy counterplay KappaClaus

wheem_ESO

Please nerf it

Zaan is totally balanced. Everyone just needs to stop complaining and L2P. I'm super serious.


I have other screenshots of eating 6-7k from 2 ticks, but the mouse I'm stuck using for the moment has a really awful sensor in it and blacking out names to avoid "naming and shaming" is a real chore.

Strider__Roshin

Yes

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Zaan is totally balanced. Everyone just needs to stop complaining and L2P. I'm super serious.


I have other screenshots of eating 6-7k from 2 ticks, but the mouse I'm stuck using for the moment has a really awful sensor in it and blacking out names to avoid "naming and shaming" is a real chore.

Nerf Incap. It hits way too hard

Minno

Zaan is both fine and terrible lol.

Considering malubeth hard counters the beam, and the major vitality counters major defile.

I'd say it's build dependant; if you roll a rollercoaster medium armor build without 3 teirs of defense, you kinda should die to zaan. But if you add ways to block, craft a more brawler setup tailored to your style of play and use a passive way to boost healing, then I'd say your better off than trying to follow click bait 6.5k WD YouTube builds.

Minno

BohnT wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Dodge roll and sprinting for 1 second counters it. Blocking counters it. The above mentioned Purge/Cloak counter it. Streak counters it. Basically if you are not afk - you will counter it.

OP? Depends. If a CP196 Stam NB jumped on me and randomly died to a Zaan proc in 1 second - may look OP, not like he would have not died after an additional second without Zaan playing its part.

Sprint and dodge don't counter it or are you unable to walk when using Zaan? Right you are not.
Purge doesn't work fast enough and isn't reliable.
Blocking Zaan still deals absurd amounts of damage while it drains stamina 5 seconds of block with maximum cost reduction costs 8000 stamina on an build with no cost reduction you are looking at 32000 stamina while you are still taking lots of damage.

The only viable counters are cloak and streak meaning 3 classes get rekt by a set unless the user isn't fully ***.

Malubeth. The beam cancels the dmg (12k with 3 ticks each of zaan versus 6k heal reduced by battlespirit but after the major vitality).

Then you force to player to start around and take damage from malubeth or run away and break their zaan.

BohnT

Yes

Minno wrote: »

Zaan is both fine and terrible lol.

Considering malubeth hard counters the beam, and the major vitality counters major defile.

I'd say it's build dependant; if you roll a rollercoaster medium armor build without 3 teirs of defense, you kinda should die to zaan. But if you add ways to block, craft a more brawler setup tailored to your style of play and use a passive way to boost healing, then I'd say your better off than trying to follow click bait 6.5k WD YouTube builds.

No you shouldn't die to a single set no matter of your build.

IZZEFlameLash

Yes

Yes, it is broken. It deals massive damage and with unblockable CC, you are as good as dead in that fight. Because even if you break free and try to heal, you would have expended your resources defensively so much that you will not be abls to keep up with your enemy who doesn't really spend as much resources as you because Zaan makes it unnecessary for your enemy to spend resources offensively other than hard cc. Zaan should probably need to be adjusted. I mean, I've been dealing with it but still, it deals too high of damage by equipping the set only and light attack.

ShadowMonarch

No

BohnT wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zaan is both fine and terrible lol.

Considering malubeth hard counters the beam, and the major vitality counters major defile.

I'd say it's build dependant; if you roll a rollercoaster medium armor build without 3 teirs of defense, you kinda should die to zaan. But if you add ways to block, craft a more brawler setup tailored to your style of play and use a passive way to boost healing, then I'd say your better off than trying to follow click bait 6.5k WD YouTube builds.

No you shouldn't die to a single set no matter of your build.

Like sloads or sheild breaker?

BohnT

Yes

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zaan is both fine and terrible lol.

Considering malubeth hard counters the beam, and the major vitality counters major defile.

I'd say it's build dependant; if you roll a rollercoaster medium armor build without 3 teirs of defense, you kinda should die to zaan. But if you add ways to block, craft a more brawler setup tailored to your style of play and use a passive way to boost healing, then I'd say your better off than trying to follow click bait 6.5k WD YouTube builds.

No you shouldn't die to a single set no matter of your build.

Like sloads or sheild breaker?

I stated my opinions about those and equal sets:
FŪCK ALL OF THEM AND BÏTCHSLAP THE USERS

IZZEFlameLash

Yes

BohnT wrote: »

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zaan is both fine and terrible lol.

Considering malubeth hard counters the beam, and the major vitality counters major defile.

I'd say it's build dependant; if you roll a rollercoaster medium armor build without 3 teirs of defense, you kinda should die to zaan. But if you add ways to block, craft a more brawler setup tailored to your style of play and use a passive way to boost healing, then I'd say your better off than trying to follow click bait 6.5k WD YouTube builds.

No you shouldn't die to a single set no matter of your build.

Like sloads or sheild breaker?

I stated my opinions about those and equal sets:
FŪCK ALL OF THEM AND BÏTCHSLAP THE USERS

Can't bslap them when you are already dead from cheese. 8) I expect new cancer builds emerge from the sets.

Minno

BohnT wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zaan is both fine and terrible lol.

Considering malubeth hard counters the beam, and the major vitality counters major defile.

I'd say it's build dependant; if you roll a rollercoaster medium armor build without 3 teirs of defense, you kinda should die to zaan. But if you add ways to block, craft a more brawler setup tailored to your style of play and use a passive way to boost healing, then I'd say your better off than trying to follow click bait 6.5k WD YouTube builds.

No you shouldn't die to a single set no matter of your build.

Maybe, but I found zaan to be strong and decided to rebuild. If a build using a set is so common with you dying all the time, then your build is useless against that build.

It's like trying to stack resists and pretend you're going to be a tank against a bleed build and kinda ludicrous to believe it should.

Emma_Overload

Please nerf it

SugaComa wrote: »

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Yes it is.
A set that can kill a player on its own needs to have very very easy counterplay.
Zaan doesn't have that, the wearer can easily stay in a 10m range of it's pretty and force them to take absurd amounts of damage.

A long cooldown doesn't justify a set that makes you win so many fights or apply ∅5k pressure over 5 seconds. Most ults are not able to do that while having more drawbacks, cost something and have easier counterplay

In battle grounds I got hit by a 15k zaan now monster sets should there to give you an edge, a step up , life save, not to do the whole job for you

You got hit for 15k damage over 5 seconds? Wow thats almost like 3k dps total!!!

I'm new to battle grounds and with no CP I only have 19k health which means 79% of the damage I was hit with cam from a monster set

It's not the damage that's the problem so much as I know it's a build up over time the problem is that that build up is allowed to happen cos the so called orange beam is not appearing on screen so I can't see my self recieving damage so you feel that you can handle the small damage you can see until it's too late your dead ... Zaans is called a cancer set not cos it's OP as such but because it's the invisible killer

I agree with this. Most of the time I die to Zaan it's because I never saw it. I don't have this problem with Soul Assault. The beam needs to be bigger and brighter and noisier.

BohnT

Yes

Minno wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zaan is both fine and terrible lol.

Considering malubeth hard counters the beam, and the major vitality counters major defile.

I'd say it's build dependant; if you roll a rollercoaster medium armor build without 3 teirs of defense, you kinda should die to zaan. But if you add ways to block, craft a more brawler setup tailored to your style of play and use a passive way to boost healing, then I'd say your better off than trying to follow click bait 6.5k WD YouTube builds.

No you shouldn't die to a single set no matter of your build.

Maybe, but I found zaan to be strong and decided to rebuild. If a build using a set is so common with you dying all the time, then your build is useless against that build.

It's like trying to stack resists and pretend you're going to be a tank against a bleed build and kinda ludicrous to believe it should.

That's still stupid because sets shouldn't remove whole playstyles.
Shieldbreaker shouldn't destroy playing with shields
Sloads shouldn't break cloak
Earthgore/ Trollking shouldn't save people from dying on their own
And Skoria and Zaan shouldn't remove dodge builds even further

It's stupid that you have to change your whole playstyle just to stand a chance to survive a Zaan user which is still a tough thing to do if you don't have access to cloak

wheem_ESO

Please nerf it

Daus wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Zaan is totally balanced. Everyone just needs to stop complaining and L2P. I'm super serious.


I have other screenshots of eating 6-7k from 2 ticks, but the mouse I'm stuck using for the moment has a really awful sensor in it and blacking out names to avoid "naming and shaming" is a real chore.

Nerf Incap. It hits way too hard

Pretty sure I blocked it. Didn't matter though, since Zaan completely dominated me for him. You know, by doing more than 3k more damage than his other 4 attacks put together. But when you're a snared Magicka Warden, good luck getting away from that set.

I guess I'm supposed to cram both a rabbit's foot and a horseshoe up my backside, and hope the first cast of my netch removes Zaan and not something else.

Thogard

Its fine

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Zaan is totally balanced. Everyone just needs to stop complaining and L2P. I'm super serious.


I have other screenshots of eating 6-7k from 2 ticks, but the mouse I'm stuck using for the moment has a really awful sensor in it and blacking out names to avoid "naming and shaming" is a real chore.

Nerf Incap. It hits way too hard

Pretty sure I blocked it. Didn't matter though, since Zaan completely dominated me for him. You know, by doing more than 3k more damage than his other 4 attacks put together. But when you're a snared Magicka Warden, good luck getting away from that set.

I guess I'm supposed to cram both a rabbit's foot and a horseshoe up my backside, and hope the first cast of my netch removes Zaan and not something else.

Why don’t you just kite him after using your beetles stun?

Oh wait....

I’m so sorry.

Feanor

Please Buff it

I voted for a buff. Because why not? It's fun seeing a world in ruin (DK pun intended). There is so much excellent cheese in the game that the one from Scalecaller Peak doesn't matter.

Oxalias

Minno wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Dodge roll and sprinting for 1 second counters it. Blocking counters it. The above mentioned Purge/Cloak counter it. Streak counters it. Basically if you are not afk - you will counter it.

OP? Depends. If a CP196 Stam NB jumped on me and randomly died to a Zaan proc in 1 second - may look OP, not like he would have not died after an additional second without Zaan playing its part.

Sprint and dodge don't counter it or are you unable to walk when using Zaan? Right you are not.
Purge doesn't work fast enough and isn't reliable.
Blocking Zaan still deals absurd amounts of damage while it drains stamina 5 seconds of block with maximum cost reduction costs 8000 stamina on an build with no cost reduction you are looking at 32000 stamina while you are still taking lots of damage.

The only viable counters are cloak and streak meaning 3 classes get rekt by a set unless the user isn't fully ***.

Malubeth. The beam cancels the dmg (12k with 3 ticks each of zaan versus 6k heal reduced by battlespirit but after the major vitality).

Then you force to player to start around and take damage from malubeth or run away and break their zaan.

Excuse me, but what the hell are you talking about, malubeth has a 7% chance to procc, you are acting like that when zaans is proccing, malubeth happens to always be there to "Hard counter it" lul. As a potato tank that uses malubeth, zaans is still broken. You can't try to change that. Once again the devs had pve in mind while creating this set, and the result was a disastrous effect to pvp. I've asked other players they have said "build speed' but that just means that everyone is whipping around trying not to get zaan'd. And a funny conjunction now is that even if you are fast enough to get out of zaans, sloads, isn't going to be outrun.

My solution: Turn that range on zaans to 2 metre or less, make it so minimal that only magic dk's or anything build making use of encase/cage for close combat high damage. That way, a simple roll dodge, will counter it.

OR: Make zaans do more damage the closer you are to them, in a reduced range once again. Make the players using it work for that damage.

Waffennacht

They should halve the damage and make it Oblivion damage so it doesn't work with elf's bane anymore...

Strider__Roshin

Yes

Waffennacht wrote: »

They should halve the damage and make it Oblivion damage so it doesn't work with elf's bane anymore...

LOL Yes!

Nemeliom

Its fine

I was killed by it only once. Combined with sload and CC it may hit hard. But otherwise it's no use.

rfennell_ESO

Yes

When you calculate it's possible tooltip with the right builds it's WAY over the top in damage, particularly for a proc.