Aed PvP sorc ready for summerset !

WreckfulAbandon

See what numbers you get from 5 shackle + 3 ancients grace + 2 willpower + 1 domi + 1 shadowrend

The shadowrend is in there because I insist on 2k regen in PvP. My only concern is more oblivion dmg around and much higher incoming dmg thanks to light attack changes. A lot of sorcs need to evolve past riposte, amberplasm, and a few other sets that everyone insists on running. I constantly run into (decent) sorcs that are survivable but not threatening at all, on a variety of builds. Lich? Cool since you can backbar it, but still overrated imo. Go for max magicka, use overload for 5 extra skill slots.

Vaoh

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

See what numbers you get from 5 shackle + 3 ancients grace + 2 willpower + 1 domi + 1 shadowrend

The shadowrend is in there because I insist on 2k regen in PvP. My only concern is more oblivion dmg around and much higher incoming dmg thanks to light attack changes. A lot of sorcs need to evolve past riposte, amberplasm, and a few other sets that everyone insists on running. I constantly run into (decent) sorcs that are survivable but not threatening at all, on a variety of builds. Lich? Cool since you can backbar it, but still overrated imo. Go for max magicka, use overload for 5 extra skill slots.

Ancient Grace is never best. I’ve tried it on so many builds, but the amount of Max Mag is provides is just pitiful. Remember, it gives 4% of your *base* Max Mag. You’d need 25K base Mag Mag just to get 1K more Max Mag out of Ancient Grace. The value would need to be 5-6% just to be even slightly considerable, because atm it’s too weak even on a purely unrealistic full Max Magicka build.

Ancient Grace is essentially equal to a 1x Max Mag bonus on normal Max Mag PvP builds.

I’d say to use 5x Shackle (armor), 5x Lich (jewelry +frontbar Staff), 2x Willpower (backbar staff), 1x Domihaus, 1x Ilambris.

You get even more Max Mag than your previous setup on your backbar for shields, while you get about the same amount on frontbar. You also now have the same regen but an extra bonus too. Plus if you get low on Magicka you’ll get a Lich proc which is very nice.

There are better setups than the one I listed here, but this particular one is essentially the same as what you made just improved since Ancient Grace is unfortunately weak

WreckfulAbandon

Vaoh wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

See what numbers you get from 5 shackle + 3 ancients grace + 2 willpower + 1 domi + 1 shadowrend

The shadowrend is in there because I insist on 2k regen in PvP. My only concern is more oblivion dmg around and much higher incoming dmg thanks to light attack changes. A lot of sorcs need to evolve past riposte, amberplasm, and a few other sets that everyone insists on running. I constantly run into (decent) sorcs that are survivable but not threatening at all, on a variety of builds. Lich? Cool since you can backbar it, but still overrated imo. Go for max magicka, use overload for 5 extra skill slots.

Ancient Grace is never best. I’ve tried it on so many builds, but the amount of Max Mag is provides is just pitiful. Remember, it gives 4% of your *base* Max Mag. You’d need 25K base Mag Mag just to get 1K more Max Mag out of Ancient Grace. The value would need to be 5-6% just to be even slightly considerable.

I’d say to use 5x Shackle (armor), 5x Lich (jewelry +frontbar Staff), 2x Willpower (backbar staff), 1x Domihaus, 1x Ilambris.

You get even more Max Mag than your previous setup on your backbar for shields, but now more regen as well. Plus if you get low on Magicka you’ll get a Lich proc which is very nice.

There are better setups than the one I listed here, but this particular one is essentially the same as what you made just slightly improved since Ancient Grace is unfortunately weak

I agree that ancient grace isn't the best set, but my old setup is still performing very well, and with the summerset changes I simply got an extra set bonus to buff it with. So I replaced 4x necro with 2x willpower + 3x ancient grace. Mage mundus of course. Should hit 49k magicka when summerset hits (without inner light). If there's a way to squeeze out even more magicka I'm all ears but I don't think Lich is going to net you more max magicka.

Vaoh

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

See what numbers you get from 5 shackle + 3 ancients grace + 2 willpower + 1 domi + 1 shadowrend

The shadowrend is in there because I insist on 2k regen in PvP. My only concern is more oblivion dmg around and much higher incoming dmg thanks to light attack changes. A lot of sorcs need to evolve past riposte, amberplasm, and a few other sets that everyone insists on running. I constantly run into (decent) sorcs that are survivable but not threatening at all, on a variety of builds. Lich? Cool since you can backbar it, but still overrated imo. Go for max magicka, use overload for 5 extra skill slots.

Ancient Grace is never best. I’ve tried it on so many builds, but the amount of Max Mag is provides is just pitiful. Remember, it gives 4% of your *base* Max Mag. You’d need 25K base Mag Mag just to get 1K more Max Mag out of Ancient Grace. The value would need to be 5-6% just to be even slightly considerable.

I’d say to use 5x Shackle (armor), 5x Lich (jewelry +frontbar Staff), 2x Willpower (backbar staff), 1x Domihaus, 1x Ilambris.

You get even more Max Mag than your previous setup on your backbar for shields, but now more regen as well. Plus if you get low on Magicka you’ll get a Lich proc which is very nice.

There are better setups than the one I listed here, but this particular one is essentially the same as what you made just slightly improved since Ancient Grace is unfortunately weak

I agree that ancient grace isn't the best set, but my old setup is still performing very well, and with the summerset changes I simply got an extra set bonus to buff it with. So I replaced 4x necro with 2x willpower + 3x ancient grace. Mage mundus of course. Should hit 49k magicka when summerset hits (without inner light). If there's a way to squeeze out even more magicka I'm all ears but I don't think Lich is going to net you more max magicka.

You’d be getting more Max Mag because of Ilambris on the shoulder (Lich covers a regen bonuses, plus gives way more on frontbar). So in terms of setups, Willpower is 1.355x of a Max Magicka set bonus, while Shacklebreaker provides 1.825 Max Mag/Stam bonuses, and Ancient Grace is basically a normal Max Mag bonus.



Your setup would give...
Both bars:
- 1x Spell Damage
- 1x Weapon Damage
- 1x Stamina Recovery
- 2.83x Maximum Stamina
- 2x Magicka Recovery
- 5.18x Maximum Magicka
- Ancient Grace bonus... so like 1x extra Max Magicka bonus (6.18x Max Mag when counted)



My setup would give:
Frontbar:
- 1x Spell Damage
- 1x Weapon Damage
- 1x Stamina Recovery
- 2.83x Maximum Stamina
- 3x Magicka Recovery
- 4.83x Maximum Magicka
- Lich proc when low on Mag, which is 8x free Magicka Recovery bonuses for 20sec every 1min (11x Mag Recovery when counted)

Backbar:
- 1x Spell Damage
- 1x Weapon Damage
- 1x Stamina Recovery
- 2.83x Maximum Stamina
- 2x Magicka Recovery (9x if Lich procced)
- 6.18x Maximum Magicka


That's how I determine which setups are best stat-wise lol. Both of these are very similar, but you get way more free Magicka Regen on the one I wrote up. Damage is essentially the same and might even go up as a whole because you will be far less strained on Magicka and not have to worry much about ever heavy attacking for resources.

Ofc, this particular setup is made for back barring shields. If you don't do that then put Lich on backbar and Willpower on frontbar. If you slot shields on both bars this build won't be so good though.

WreckfulAbandon

Vaoh wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

See what numbers you get from 5 shackle + 3 ancients grace + 2 willpower + 1 domi + 1 shadowrend

The shadowrend is in there because I insist on 2k regen in PvP. My only concern is more oblivion dmg around and much higher incoming dmg thanks to light attack changes. A lot of sorcs need to evolve past riposte, amberplasm, and a few other sets that everyone insists on running. I constantly run into (decent) sorcs that are survivable but not threatening at all, on a variety of builds. Lich? Cool since you can backbar it, but still overrated imo. Go for max magicka, use overload for 5 extra skill slots.

Ancient Grace is never best. I’ve tried it on so many builds, but the amount of Max Mag is provides is just pitiful. Remember, it gives 4% of your *base* Max Mag. You’d need 25K base Mag Mag just to get 1K more Max Mag out of Ancient Grace. The value would need to be 5-6% just to be even slightly considerable.

I’d say to use 5x Shackle (armor), 5x Lich (jewelry +frontbar Staff), 2x Willpower (backbar staff), 1x Domihaus, 1x Ilambris.

You get even more Max Mag than your previous setup on your backbar for shields, but now more regen as well. Plus if you get low on Magicka you’ll get a Lich proc which is very nice.

There are better setups than the one I listed here, but this particular one is essentially the same as what you made just slightly improved since Ancient Grace is unfortunately weak

I agree that ancient grace isn't the best set, but my old setup is still performing very well, and with the summerset changes I simply got an extra set bonus to buff it with. So I replaced 4x necro with 2x willpower + 3x ancient grace. Mage mundus of course. Should hit 49k magicka when summerset hits (without inner light). If there's a way to squeeze out even more magicka I'm all ears but I don't think Lich is going to net you more max magicka.

You’d be getting more Max Mag because of Ilambris on the shoulder (Lich covers a regen bonuses, plus gives way more on frontbar). So in terms of setups, Willpower is 1.355x of a Max Magicka set bonus, while Shacklebreaker provides 1.825 Max Mag/Stam bonuses, and Ancient Grace is basically a normal Max Mag bonus.



Your setup would give...
Both bars:
- 1x Spell Damage
- 1x Weapon Damage
- 1x Stamina Recovery
- 2.83x Maximum Stamina
- 2x Magicka Recovery
- 5.18x Maximum Magicka
- Ancient Grace bonus... so like 1x extra Max Magicka bonus



My setup would give:
Frontbar:
- 1x Spell Damage
- 1x Weapon Damage
- 1x Stamina Recovery
- 2.83x Maximum Stamina
- 3x Magicka Recovery
- 4.83x Maximum Magicka
- Lich proc when low on Mag, which is 8x free Magicka Recovery bonuses for 20sec every1min.

Backbar:
- 1x Spell Damage
- 1x Weapon Damage
- 1x Stamina Recovery
- 2.83x Maximum Stamina
- 2x Magicka Recovery
- 6.18x Maximum Magicka


That's how I determine which setups are best stat-wise lol. Both of these are very similar, but you get way more free Magicka Regen on the one I wrote up. Damage is essentially the same and high even go up as a whole because you will be far less strained on Magicka and not have to worry much about ever heavy attacking for resources.

Ofc, this particular setup is made for back barring shields. If you don't do that then put Lich on backbar and Willpower on frontbar. If you slot shields on both bars this build won't be so good though.

Backbar all my shields? Heretic!!!!

Hardened Ward front bar is so firmly established in my sorc playstyle that I wouldn't want to change it. I already know which matchups will be easy and which will be tough and most fights are more fluid when I have that Hardened Ward front bar. I have shield bar swap shield memorized hardcore lol.

Haven't mained sorc in quite some time though, Shimmering Shield literally makes it not fun for me. I can deal with most of my attacks being dodged, I can deal with reflects, but something about Shimmering makes it infuriating to play against. Maybe something about giving them Major Heroism like candy and simply waiting for them to make a mistake? Burst windows can be so low with that dumb skill and if you're up against a good stam warden their burst window is much wider than yours. Was just updating all my builds for summerset, will decide what to play when I see the final changes.

Vaoh

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

See what numbers you get from 5 shackle + 3 ancients grace + 2 willpower + 1 domi + 1 shadowrend

The shadowrend is in there because I insist on 2k regen in PvP. My only concern is more oblivion dmg around and much higher incoming dmg thanks to light attack changes. A lot of sorcs need to evolve past riposte, amberplasm, and a few other sets that everyone insists on running. I constantly run into (decent) sorcs that are survivable but not threatening at all, on a variety of builds. Lich? Cool since you can backbar it, but still overrated imo. Go for max magicka, use overload for 5 extra skill slots.

Ancient Grace is never best. I’ve tried it on so many builds, but the amount of Max Mag is provides is just pitiful. Remember, it gives 4% of your *base* Max Mag. You’d need 25K base Mag Mag just to get 1K more Max Mag out of Ancient Grace. The value would need to be 5-6% just to be even slightly considerable.

I’d say to use 5x Shackle (armor), 5x Lich (jewelry +frontbar Staff), 2x Willpower (backbar staff), 1x Domihaus, 1x Ilambris.

You get even more Max Mag than your previous setup on your backbar for shields, but now more regen as well. Plus if you get low on Magicka you’ll get a Lich proc which is very nice.

There are better setups than the one I listed here, but this particular one is essentially the same as what you made just slightly improved since Ancient Grace is unfortunately weak

I agree that ancient grace isn't the best set, but my old setup is still performing very well, and with the summerset changes I simply got an extra set bonus to buff it with. So I replaced 4x necro with 2x willpower + 3x ancient grace. Mage mundus of course. Should hit 49k magicka when summerset hits (without inner light). If there's a way to squeeze out even more magicka I'm all ears but I don't think Lich is going to net you more max magicka.

You’d be getting more Max Mag because of Ilambris on the shoulder (Lich covers a regen bonuses, plus gives way more on frontbar). So in terms of setups, Willpower is 1.355x of a Max Magicka set bonus, while Shacklebreaker provides 1.825 Max Mag/Stam bonuses, and Ancient Grace is basically a normal Max Mag bonus.



Your setup would give...
Both bars:
- 1x Spell Damage
- 1x Weapon Damage
- 1x Stamina Recovery
- 2.83x Maximum Stamina
- 2x Magicka Recovery
- 5.18x Maximum Magicka
- Ancient Grace bonus... so like 1x extra Max Magicka bonus



My setup would give:
Frontbar:
- 1x Spell Damage
- 1x Weapon Damage
- 1x Stamina Recovery
- 2.83x Maximum Stamina
- 3x Magicka Recovery
- 4.83x Maximum Magicka
- Lich proc when low on Mag, which is 8x free Magicka Recovery bonuses for 20sec every1min.

Backbar:
- 1x Spell Damage
- 1x Weapon Damage
- 1x Stamina Recovery
- 2.83x Maximum Stamina
- 2x Magicka Recovery
- 6.18x Maximum Magicka


That's how I determine which setups are best stat-wise lol. Both of these are very similar, but you get way more free Magicka Regen on the one I wrote up. Damage is essentially the same and high even go up as a whole because you will be far less strained on Magicka and not have to worry much about ever heavy attacking for resources.

Ofc, this particular setup is made for back barring shields. If you don't do that then put Lich on backbar and Willpower on frontbar. If you slot shields on both bars this build won't be so good though.

Backbar all my shields? Heretic!!!!

Hardened Ward front bar is so firmly established in my sorc playstyle that I wouldn't want to change it. I already know which matchups will be easy and which will be tough and most fights are more fluid when I have that Hardened Ward front bar. I have shield bar swap shield memorized hardcore lol.

Haven't mained sorc in quite some time though, Shimmering Shield literally makes it not fun for me. I can deal with most of my attacks being dodged, I can deal with reflects, but something about Shimmering makes it infuriating to play against. Maybe something about giving them Major Heroism like candy and simply waiting for them to make a mistake? Burst windows can be so low with that dumb skill and if you're up against a good stam warden their burst window is much wider than yours. Was just updating all my builds for summerset, will decide what to play when I see the final changes.

Yup Shimmering is def frustrating as Sorc!

Just throwing out suggestions. I bought all of the gold Ancient Grace jewelry when it was sold at the Cyrodiil vendor and tried very hard to make it "best" on a Sorc build. Never worked out though

Minalan

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

See what numbers you get from 5 shackle + 3 ancients grace + 2 willpower + 1 domi + 1 shadowrend

The shadowrend is in there because I insist on 2k regen in PvP. My only concern is more oblivion dmg around and much higher incoming dmg thanks to light attack changes. A lot of sorcs need to evolve past riposte, amberplasm, and a few other sets that everyone insists on running. I constantly run into (decent) sorcs that are survivable but not threatening at all, on a variety of builds. Lich? Cool since you can backbar it, but still overrated imo. Go for max magicka, use overload for 5 extra skill slots.

Yeah, Ancient grace is kind of terrible. I’ve tried to make it work, and the 4% doesn’t apply to your entire pool. Terrible set is terrible.

I did plenty of damage this patch with the same shackle/lich/domi/Master everyone else was running, but next patch I’ll probably swap off of that for better available builds. Cage is a must have, so front barring magelight isn’t an option.

Don’t knock amberplasm, the stats it gives on the fifth piece are still pretty amazing. It frees up more slots for damage. You basically use dark exchange to backfill fill in for Magicka Regen, sneaking one or two in every CC break. Coupled with spell power pots (Magicka, intellect, sorcery, prophesy), you can use tristat food instead of that expensive citrus filet, and enjoy higher stats.

If I wanted a Max Magicka build, I would do necro/shackle/shadowrend. Shadowrend and storm atronach for the pets, which procs the other 4K or so Max Magicka with a really good uptime. If I die too often to stacked *** sload DOTs, then I’ll reluctantly use a twilight matriarch.

If I wanted a damage build, there are better options. Most Sorcs this patch are headed for proc-tard builds, because the burst and pressure on them is going to be insane. Things like sloads, Caluurion, and Skoria/Zaan hitting all at once? You’re dead. And all they had to do was light/heavy attack and shield stack. Skillful gameplay. You lose.

There are other good options, I really don’t want to proc-tard it up with the rest of the mouth-breathing masses doing it. But on the other hand I’m tired of running sub optimal builds while everyone else laughs and enjoys EZ mode. Meta is meta.

WreckfulAbandon

Yeah using shadowrend 2pc + atro is the way to get highest magicka without toggled pets. But I love my overload backbar and didn't want to rely on shadowrend alone.

I've actually never used ancients grace because I always thought it was a bad set

But decided to try it out after summerset. Dunno. Zaan just feels counter intuitive to a ranged build that uses mines, and I feel max magicka would be low if you used caluurion/sload. Meteor combos with runecage are what I enjoy about sorc, so I'll go down swinging with no regrets if the proc meta is that much better. Not really, I'll just play stamplar, stamblade, or stam warden instead

And I know amberplasm is a good set, just not for my playstyle on magsorc when shacklebreaker exists. I've never needed more than 800-900 stam regen with 14k stam and tripots

Minalan

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Yeah using shadowrend 2pc + atro is the way to get highest magicka without toggled pets. But I love my overload backbar and didn't want to rely on shadowrend alone.

I've actually never used ancients grace because I always thought it was a bad set

But decided to try it out after summerset. Dunno. Zaan just feels counter intuitive to a ranged build that uses mines, and I feel max magicka would be low if you used caluurion/sload. Meteor combos with runecage are what I enjoy about sorc, so I'll go down swinging with no regrets if the proc meta is that much better. Not really, I'll just play stamplar, stamblade, or stam warden instead

And I know amberplasm is a good set, just not for my playstyle on magsorc when shacklebreaker exists. I've never needed more than 800-900 stam regen with 14k stam and tripots

Amberplasm - like I said, you use stamina for magicka regen so you can get by with more spell damage and lower regeneration. That’s it. Like 1.8K or less instead of 2K+.

Yes your stats are low with sloads/skoria/Caluurion. But you’re also not using any abilities to actually win fights. You can beat people with just heavy attacks, cage, and maybe wrath. Caluurion will hit for 8-9K simultaneously, killing whomever. Skoria or Zaan finishes. And sloads prevents nightblades from cloaking away.. It’s going to be bad...

Emma_Overload

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

See what numbers you get from 5 shackle + 3 ancients grace + 2 willpower + 1 domi + 1 shadowrend

The shadowrend is in there because I insist on 2k regen in PvP. My only concern is more oblivion dmg around and much higher incoming dmg thanks to light attack changes. A lot of sorcs need to evolve past riposte, amberplasm, and a few other sets that everyone insists on running. I constantly run into (decent) sorcs that are survivable but not threatening at all, on a variety of builds. Lich? Cool since you can backbar it, but still overrated imo. Go for max magicka, use overload for 5 extra skill slots.

Hi, I'm also concerned about Oblivion damage from Sload's, etc. I've been tinkering this weekend with a build for my Mag Sorc that uses Troll King and Willow's Path in combination with tri-pots. My Health Regen is over 3000 when Troll King procs! Willows' Path has always been a decent set, but I believe it only makes sense to use it when you are going to benefit from all three regen types.

Yesterday I got accused by a bleed build Stamplar that I was "too tanky" for a Sorc... I must be making progress!

Biro123

Emma_Overload wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

See what numbers you get from 5 shackle + 3 ancients grace + 2 willpower + 1 domi + 1 shadowrend

The shadowrend is in there because I insist on 2k regen in PvP. My only concern is more oblivion dmg around and much higher incoming dmg thanks to light attack changes. A lot of sorcs need to evolve past riposte, amberplasm, and a few other sets that everyone insists on running. I constantly run into (decent) sorcs that are survivable but not threatening at all, on a variety of builds. Lich? Cool since you can backbar it, but still overrated imo. Go for max magicka, use overload for 5 extra skill slots.

Hi, I'm also concerned about Oblivion damage from Sload's, etc. I've been tinkering this weekend with a build for my Mag Sorc that uses Troll King and Willow's Path in combination with tri-pots. My Health Regen is over 3000 when Troll King procs! Willows' Path has always been a decent set, but I believe it only makes sense to use it when you are going to benefit from all three regen types.

Yesterday I got accused by a bleed build Stamplar that I was "too tanky" for a Sorc... I must be making progress!

Hah! I keep experimenting with willows every now and then too.. but its a hard set to get the best from.. basically you need good base regen on all stats to make the most out of it - but then your max stats really, really suffer. If there was a drink that did max mag, mag AND stam recov, it would be problem solved imho... combine with trainee for the base stats.. Or maybe shackle once jewel-crafting is levelled... idk...


On the subject of Ancient Grace... I tried a 60k max mag build not too long ago - and ancient grace gave more mag than willpower.. but overall, on tweaking the build for a bit lower max mag, more recov and spell-damage and stam - willpower was better (and the overall build was much better).
Basically Ancient Grace only seems to give more if you're over 55k mag - but you lose too much to get there imo.