Aed PvP sorc ready for summerset !

Aedaryl

Hello everyone,

I was theoricrafting for the best I still lost my dignity EFFECTIVE way to build a sorc in solo and smallscale PvP.

NB : all the character sheets have a PvE damage potion on, meaning major prophecy, intellect and sorcery. No countinious attack or weapon damage procced glyph on.

First, I made skilled option doing my best to maximise stats :



Then, I wanted to see the stats I could have with CHEESE and here is the results :



NB : I'm using rapid regeneration with a maelstrom staff, giving me about 400 magicka regen ! And having rapid regeneration is must have and will help u a little to fight amzing sloaderman.

An other one with better sustain but less damage/magicka :



If you compare the stats between the skilled max stats option and the proc set option (add 400 mag recov thx maelstrom staff) you will see it's kinda similar, but the sload pressure and the calurion proc are added.

Offensive rotation : Curse -> Crushing shock (calu proc) -> rune cage -> calu touch the ennemy -> frag. With meteor : Curse -> Meteor -> Rune cage -> (calu proce) > frag (calu proc)-> force pulse (calu touch the ennemy).

What's the best option for you ? The skilled one damage sload calu or the sustain sload calu ?

What do you think about my bars skills ?

Let's discuss sorc effective meta !

This ironic post is here to show to everyone that CANCER will come.

Balance in this game is horrible, and when you see the difference between a proc set set up and a non proc set one, the difference is just too small, there is 300 stamina recovery lost on proc set (mag recovery is the same/higher thx maelstrom staff) and the damage lost in magicka (5 or 7.5k) is nothing when u look at the sload sustained damage and the calurion burst.

RIP balance, but this time I will go cheese too. Zenimax doesn't give me the choice between broken proc set and S&B healing machine.

Derra

I´d go for sload + overwhelming + skoria.
Let my proccsets procc my other proccset and procc my opponent to narnia.

Derra

Alternatively go for durok instead of a second offensive proccset - because if we´re being realistic. So much of sorcdmg will be unavoidable that cutting healing by 50% will most likely be a lot more efficient in the long run than adding another source of dmg.

Dracane

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

GrigorijMalahevich

Just continue running magicka recovery machine. Would be nice to get perfected asylum staff, but ain't nobody got time for that and PvE is for scrubs.

master inferno, necro, lich, shadow - same build for god knows how long with minor changes...

Dracane

Valera Progib wrote: »

Just continue running magicka recovery machine. Would be nice to get perfected asylum staff, but ain't nobody got time for that and PvE is for scrubs.

master inferno, necro, lich, shadow - same build for god knows how long with minor changes...

I really want to run shadowrend But many people just try to escape and never attack, so I couldn't not proc it use it offensively, only defensively and I hate being in defense anyway. I wish I could finally drop those sorc pets and get space on my bars.

Derra

Dracane wrote: »

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

I managed to get ~800 dps out of it pretty consistently on any class with dots on the target (as in many attacks proccing it resulting in low downtime).
Coupled with infused oblivion + healdebuff sorc won´t be able to outheal the dmg.

Malamar1229

On your first setup you should be running a shacklebreaker helmet and a willpower resto/destro...you're missing another 400 magicka not running it that way. Also the 2600 regen is high considering you slot DC. I'd look at purple food personally. Would push 47k magicka.

Malamar1229

I'd run a vma staff thou instead of the willpower resto. More sustain drop DC for rapid regeneration:)

Dracane

Derra wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

I managed to get ~800 dps out of it pretty consistently on any class with dots on the target (as in many attacks proccing it resulting in low downtime).
Coupled with infused oblivion + healdebuff sorc won´t be able to outheal the dmg.

I don't encounter oblivion weapons often. Maybe this set inspires people to reconsider.
But as it stands now, I can't see this set being as strong as people make it out to be. We shall see.

Strider__Roshin

Dracane wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

I managed to get ~800 dps out of it pretty consistently on any class with dots on the target (as in many attacks proccing it resulting in low downtime).
Coupled with infused oblivion + healdebuff sorc won´t be able to outheal the dmg.

I don't encounter oblivion weapons often. Maybe this set inspires people to reconsider.
But as it stands now, I can't see this set being as strong as people make it out to be. We shall see.

I did a lot of testing/dueling with this set, and it is incredibly effective; especially against Nightblades. While this DoT is active it pulls them out of invisibility.

Dracane

Daus wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

I managed to get ~800 dps out of it pretty consistently on any class with dots on the target (as in many attacks proccing it resulting in low downtime).
Coupled with infused oblivion + healdebuff sorc won´t be able to outheal the dmg.

I don't encounter oblivion weapons often. Maybe this set inspires people to reconsider.
But as it stands now, I can't see this set being as strong as people make it out to be. We shall see.

I did a lot of testing/dueling with this set, and it is incredibly effective; especially against Nightblades. While this DoT is active it pulls them out of invisibility.

I heared about that, that's strong. But very likely merely a bug that is going to be fixed. I would be surprised if not, Nightblade would be a dead class in pvp

Subversus

Derra wrote: »

Alternatively go for durok instead of a second offensive proccset - because if we´re being realistic. So much of sorcdmg will be unavoidable that cutting healing by 50% will most likely be a lot more efficient in the long run than adding another source of dmg.

Durok backbar, necro, shadowrend with 7 light is what I’ll probably go for pet sorc. Follow good old dusk’s footsteps, cause that’s what he’ll run next patch hahahaha

ezio45

I dont think im doing anything different next patch, still running juli, and skoria, just gunna switch willpower and masters staff for caluurion.

Might try sloads depending on how op it is once live hits

Biro123

I'm just trying to think about different combinations to experiment with for a 5/5/4 or 5/5/2/2 setup.

5 BSW front/5 lich back/2IG/2WP? (never did get that flame bsw staff)

5 Spinner (or Axiom)front/5 lich back/1domi/3WP (leaning this way since I have most of the gear already)

Hmm, I need to think of some more back-bar and sustain options... Prisoners? riposte? the one that heals you when hit by oblivion damage (sorry - wishful thinking)

Minalan

Dracane wrote: »

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

You take thaumaturge and buff the DOT damage by 20%. And the uptime on it is pretty much constant. Outhealing that DOT PLUS everything else is just too much.

Plus, the enemy can’t cloak.

PVP damage is only about 2K DPS realistically and now you’re doing half of that with a proc set.

Then add in unavoidable damage from cage and Caluurion procs, it’s absolute cancer. MagNB can use fear, sloads, and Caluurion.

templesus

This is what I'll be running, same buffs as OP, all purple gear quality just FYI:


Alternatively, what I'll ACTUALLY be running as I vastly prefer DW ~ with a tripot buff:

GrigorijMalahevich

Biro123 wrote: »

I'm just trying to think about different combinations to experiment with for a 5/5/4 or 5/5/2/2 setup.

5 BSW front/5 lich back/2IG/2WP? (never did get that flame bsw staff)

5 Spinner (or Axiom)front/5 lich back/1domi/3WP (leaning this way since I have most of the gear already)

Hmm, I need to think of some more back-bar and sustain options... Prisoners? riposte? the one that heals you when hit by oblivion damage (sorry - wishful thinking)

Loved the 5+5lich+1domi+3WP - when started reading your post, immediately thought about that. I can see myself in nocp with this build with inner light rocking that 45k magicka (or smth)

Dracane

Minalan wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

You take thaumaturge and buff the DOT damage by 20%. And the uptime on it is pretty much constant. Outhealing that DOT PLUS everything else is just too much.

Plus, the enemy can’t cloak.

PVP damage is only about 2K DPS realistically and now you’re doing half of that with a proc set.

Then add in unavoidable damage from cage and Caluurion procs, it’s absolute cancer. MagNB can use fear, sloads, and Caluurion.

Damage wise, I'm not yet convinced by this set. You're right though, vs NBs it's OP. Purge might become essential for all NBs in order to keep on doing that they are doing (some already use it, mag as well as stam) this would be exactly what ZoS wants and I agree with it.

Minalan

templesus wrote: »

This is what I'll be running, same buffs as OP, all purple gear quality just FYI:


Alternatively, what I'll ACTUALLY be running as I vastly prefer DW ~ with a tripot buff:

Build one has no cage or reach CC, just streak. I’d drop surge, use spell power pots for major sorcery and prophesy, back bar something (execute or streak) and add rune cage. Cage will guarantee that frags and empowered light attack weaves connect on good players. So can reach spam if you time it right.

Build two is obsolete because you can no longer empower crystal fragments, and has only melee light attacks. It also has no CC except for streak again. This patch badly wrecks dual wield builds. You have no light attacks to empower or benefit from the new scaling with Max Magicka. You can’t empower frags anymore. You don’t have enough pressure to put on DK’s or Wardens.

I’m not trying to be a jerk, just letting you know what the realities of this patch are. Some of the consequences of it are bad.

Subversus

Dracane wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

You take thaumaturge and buff the DOT damage by 20%. And the uptime on it is pretty much constant. Outhealing that DOT PLUS everything else is just too much.

Plus, the enemy can’t cloak.

PVP damage is only about 2K DPS realistically and now you’re doing half of that with a proc set.

Then add in unavoidable damage from cage and Caluurion procs, it’s absolute cancer. MagNB can use fear, sloads, and Caluurion.

Damage wise, I'm not yet convinced by this set. You're right though, vs NBs it's OP. Purge might become essential for all NBs in order to keep on doing that they are doing (some already use it, mag as well as stam) this would be exactly what ZoS wants and I agree with it.

”not convinced” wait so you haven’t actually tested it on the pts have you? You shouldn’t have any opinion about anything pts related if you haven’t tested it lol.

Minalan

Malamar1229 wrote: »

On your first setup you should be running a shacklebreaker helmet and a willpower resto/destro...you're missing another 400 magicka not running it that way. Also the 2600 regen is high considering you slot DC. I'd look at purple food personally. Would push 47k magicka.

The biggest issue with the setup, is that when you weapon swap for a fraction of a second it drops your max stamina and Max Magicka as you lose the five piece bonus. Your max stats drop temporarily and that’s irritating as hell.

If Amberplasm wasn’t such an ugly bear to farm, I would put that set on the resto staff with a willpower up front. If you’re getting low on Magicka or stam, spend some time back bar alternating between heavy attacks and dark exchange.

templesus

Minalan wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

This is what I'll be running, same buffs as OP, all purple gear quality just FYI:


Alternatively, what I'll ACTUALLY be running as I vastly prefer DW ~ with a tripot buff:

Build one has no cage or reach CC, just streak. I’d drop surge, use spell power pots for major sorcery and prophesy, back bar something (execute or streak) and add rune cage. Cage will guarantee that frags and empowered light attack weaves connect on good players. So can reach spam if you time it right.

Build two is obsolete because you can no longer empower crystal fragments, and has only melee light attacks. It also has no CC except for streak again. This patch badly wrecks dual wield builds. You have no light attacks to empower or benefit from the new scaling with Max Magicka. You can’t empower frags anymore. You don’t have enough pressure to put on DK’s or Wardens.

I’m not trying to be a jerk, just letting you know what the realities of this patch are. Some of the consequences of it are bad.

The thing is, I dont main mag sorc, and the only way I'll play it is with DW. If DW is not viable, I will not play the class and thats the end of it. And ive used streak as my cc since proxy det days, so I'll be fine. If you are good you find ways to adapt, so im sure no matter how bad it is without frag cc (I quit the game prior to clockwork and am coming back for summerset) I believe I'll be able to open world regardless.

templesus

I do have to say, seeing the empower change back when notes drops killed my will to play mag sorc...so I'll try it, and proceed to delete my sorc if DW is truly obliterated by the change.

Subversus

Minalan wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

On your first setup you should be running a shacklebreaker helmet and a willpower resto/destro...you're missing another 400 magicka not running it that way. Also the 2600 regen is high considering you slot DC. I'd look at purple food personally. Would push 47k magicka.

The biggest issue with the setup, is that when you weapon swap for a fraction of a second it drops your max stamina and Max Magicka as you lose the five piece bonus. Your max stats drop temporarily and that’s irritating as hell.

If Amberplasm wasn’t such an ugly bear to farm, I would put that set on the resto staff with a willpower up front. If you’re getting low on Magicka or stam, spend some time back bar alternating between heavy attacks and dark exchange.

I might be missing something, but how does the stam drop? He still has shackle on body, domihaus on body, 1p willpower on body, lich jews+resto and willpower staff? That only leaves for the willpower 2/3p to be front bar only.

EDIT: lol nvm I forgot op lives in morrowind and still plays with amber shackle ()

Waffennacht

Sload
Caluurion


While I do like Zaan on a sorc (usually triggering it on an NB or DK that closed the gap on me) I do wonder about other sets like slimecraw or bloodspawn

In my humble opinion you gotta go frost staff for Reach. The roots are great (especially with cage before or after) procs caluurion (that dot will proc it if it hasn't already)

So they gotta CC break, gotta deal with roots, got Cage damage, have Curse and Wrath on them, got sload dot and reach dot, then whatever ult it monster set you have.

Malamar1229

Minalan wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

On your first setup you should be running a shacklebreaker helmet and a willpower resto/destro...you're missing another 400 magicka not running it that way. Also the 2600 regen is high considering you slot DC. I'd look at purple food personally. Would push 47k magicka.

The biggest issue with the setup, is that when you weapon swap for a fraction of a second it drops your max stamina and Max Magicka as you lose the five piece bonus. Your max stats drop temporarily and that’s irritating as hell.

If Amberplasm wasn’t such an ugly bear to farm, I would put that set on the resto staff with a willpower up front. If you’re getting low on Magicka or stam, spend some time back bar alternating between heavy attacks and dark exchange.

Go look again, hed have 5 body shackle. 2pc willpower staves. 3amber jewelry and 2 body.

Minalan

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

On your first setup you should be running a shacklebreaker helmet and a willpower resto/destro...you're missing another 400 magicka not running it that way. Also the 2600 regen is high considering you slot DC. I'd look at purple food personally. Would push 47k magicka.

The biggest issue with the setup, is that when you weapon swap for a fraction of a second it drops your max stamina and Max Magicka as you lose the five piece bonus. Your max stats drop temporarily and that’s irritating as hell.

If Amberplasm wasn’t such an ugly bear to farm, I would put that set on the resto staff with a willpower up front. If you’re getting low on Magicka or stam, spend some time back bar alternating between heavy attacks and dark exchange.

Go look again, hed have 5 body shackle. 2pc willpower staves. 3amber jewelry and 2 body.

I was looking at this:
https://us.v-cdn.net/5020507/uploads/editor/8o/oqkty0s8afde.png

Shackle staves man, I’m not blind yet I swear!

Dracane

Subversus wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

You take thaumaturge and buff the DOT damage by 20%. And the uptime on it is pretty much constant. Outhealing that DOT PLUS everything else is just too much.

Plus, the enemy can’t cloak.

PVP damage is only about 2K DPS realistically and now you’re doing half of that with a proc set.

Then add in unavoidable damage from cage and Caluurion procs, it’s absolute cancer. MagNB can use fear, sloads, and Caluurion.

Damage wise, I'm not yet convinced by this set. You're right though, vs NBs it's OP. Purge might become essential for all NBs in order to keep on doing that they are doing (some already use it, mag as well as stam) this would be exactly what ZoS wants and I agree with it.

”not convinced” wait so you haven’t actually tested it on the pts have you? You shouldn’t have any opinion about anything pts related if you haven’t tested it lol.

Yea I did, which is why I say I'm not convinced. I tested it and don't find it overperforming, but I suspect I can't be sure unless we see the full impact in a normal pvp environment, which is not given on the pts.

Not being convinced, doesn't mean that people's word don't convince me. Rather I am not convinced based on what I have seen myself.

ak_pvp

Minalan wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

You take thaumaturge and buff the DOT damage by 20%. And the uptime on it is pretty much constant. Outhealing that DOT PLUS everything else is just too much.

Plus, the enemy can’t cloak.

PVP damage is only about 2K DPS realistically and now you’re doing half of that with a proc set.

Then add in unavoidable damage from cage and Caluurion procs, it’s absolute cancer. MagNB can use fear, sloads, and Caluurion.

I don't think its buffed by CP, since its oblivion and not really buffed by any post application modifiers, pre app modifiers like infused to the glyph are different. But I have seen tooltips buffed by beserk, so not sure.

Minalan

ak_pvp wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I wonder, if sloads is not being terribly overrated by everyone.
It's only like 650 damage per seconds on CP and even my pitiful power surge can outheal this.
Might be different when 5 people stack it on you, but really everything is deadly when stacked my mutliple opponents.

You take thaumaturge and buff the DOT damage by 20%. And the uptime on it is pretty much constant. Outhealing that DOT PLUS everything else is just too much.

Plus, the enemy can’t cloak.

PVP damage is only about 2K DPS realistically and now you’re doing half of that with a proc set.

Then add in unavoidable damage from cage and Caluurion procs, it’s absolute cancer. MagNB can use fear, sloads, and Caluurion.

I don't think its buffed by CP, since its oblivion and not really buffed by any post application modifiers, pre app modifiers like infused to the glyph are different. But I have seen tooltips buffed by beserk, so not sure.

It is this time, someone tested it. Check the latest sload whine thread.