So Question..

DanteYoda

If Dunmer race is the closest to Deadra.. why is it Bosmer have the same horns as Deadra..

Seems to conflict with what being said..

Rohamad_Ali

I'm not sure but do you know what you get when you cross a Hobo and a rabbit ?

A Hobbit

emilyhyoyeon

I don't think bosmer horns are daedra horns

Smasherx74

Aren't the orcs closer to the daedra than the Dunmer?

Smasherx74

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I'm not sure but do you know what you get when you cross a Hobo and a rabbit ?

A Hobbit

What do you get when you cross a madman and a piece of cheese?

A stack of flaming chicken eggs boiling from the inside out[/quote]

DanteYoda

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I don't think bosmer horns are daedra horns

They look the same and one of them is actually called cute deadra horns or some such...

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Aren't the orcs closer to the daedra than the Dunmer?

Well according to Dark elf quests some npcs say that the dunmer are descendants to the deadra.. and that they are the closest relatives a few times..

I just thought it was strange that both the deadra and Bosmer both have horns the same..

Kikke

as dark elfs and orcs have been influenced by deadra, so has bosmers. Most races of nirn have encountered a deadra or two in their time. And a few shaped by them.

DanteYoda

Is there any lore on all this or is it just ESO fluff added in..

Kikke

Yes of course there is xD I'l take 5min and find some bosmer lore for you guys

Kikke

From the unofficial lore wiki xD

The earliest days of the Bosmer are lost in legend. Some speak of the Ooze, the shape-shifting formlessness from which they came before the Green Pact with Y'ffre. More obscure legends also suggest that not all Bosmer agreed to the Green Pact. Some wished to stay as the Ooze, to keep their shape-shifting abilities. However, these dissenters were apparently overcome by the other Bosmer, and as punishment, these "Oathbreakers" were buried in Ouze. There's some suggestion that early Bosmer were known for intermarrying with humans.

mesmerizedish

Dunmer are not descended from daedra. No one is descended from daedra. Daedra literally means "not our ancestors."

Bosmer horns are antlers, like what deer have. If the game calls a horn style "cute daedra horns," that's a metagame appellation that has no bearing on the "reality" of the fiction.

Kikke

Tho cannot find any mentions of Bosmer / Deadra. I only find a conspiracy that the green pact shaped them from the ooze by Hircine. Tho nothing concrete as the first era of TES lore is still, well. Unknown for the most parts xP

DanteYoda

mesmerizedish wrote: »

Dunmer are not descended from daedra. No one is descended from daedra. Daedra literally means "not our ancestors."

Bosmer horns are antlers, like what deer have. If the game calls a horn style "cute daedra horns," that's a metagame appellation that has no bearing on the "reality" of the fiction.

Why do Dunmer quest npcs literally say they were related to Deadra and are ancestors... they say they were chimer which were related to Deadra..

I did find this thread
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/108720/since-dark-elves-became-the-way-they-are-because-of-azura

Kikke

some more lore from another source:

Writings[source?] describe the Bosmer's settling on the shores of Valenwood in a different way than most historical records describe. It says that the Bosmer (or Aldmer/Altmer) of the time wanted to be free of the main-stream way of life on Alinor (or the Summerset Isles) and instead wanted to live a life of simplicity in the forest and, because of this, left their home of their own accord. However, lore articles[source?] and in-game tomes[source?] describe the Aldmer/Altmer landing on the shores of the province in ancient times and leaving some of their own people behind so that they would have ties to the Tamrielic mainland when in a time of need (this would explain the supposed pact of old that they made which gave the Thalmor the right to annex Valenwood at the beginning of the Aldmeri Dominion's revival).[source?]

Kikke

So the horns might be leftovers from the green pacts with hircine, or a result of breaking said pact?

KeiruNicrom

Pretty sure bosmer horns are left overs from the early days of tamriel when aedra had physical forms on nirn and nature was constantly changing. I would need to find a source of course but i believe i saw this is some bosmer lore that the horns are due to how they constantly shapeshifted back then

Also dungmer are related to daedra only in that they worship and were cursed by daedra. Their biological lineage is completely mer as far as im aware. I assume they claim to be decendant from daedra for the same reason one would claim to be the child of a god irl

Kikke

The First Era was founded after King Eplear, a Bosmer, and founder of the Camoran Dynasty, began his rule. Soon after this founding, the Bosmeri began to change, to suit the environments of the forest in which they lived. In return for the patronage of Y'ffre, the Forest God (either one of the old ancestor spirits or an aspect of the true pantheon), they swore never to kill, injure, or eat any of the vegetation of the new home, which became known as the Green Pact. The Bosmeri unity should be considered an important military feat in itself, as Eplear managed to unify the disparate groups into a unified group. In 1E 340, the Camoran Dynasty formed a trade pact with the human slave rebels of the Alessian Order.They were then forced to undo thisin 1E 369, when one of the Great Hunts killed king Borgas of Skyrim,who was planning on declaring war on the Bosmer. Valenwood was able to maintain its independence for the majority of the First Era. It was only in 1E 2714, after unrelenting warfare from the Cyrodiils and Colovia combined, coupled with the devastating effects of the Thrassian Plague, that finally brought the Camoran Dynasty into the Reman Empire. Reman then ensured that Valenwood would not be a threat to the Second Empire by raising the cities of Falinesti, Silvenar, Haven, Archen, Eldenroot, and Woodhearth from local trading posts to full-fledged powers in their own right. Falinesti is today considered the capital of the Bosmer; the previous capital is unknown.

So much lore! but NOTHING about the horns yet... it seems harder too find that expected, starting to think there might not be any... Back to the search! xP

But this is the most complete first era I can find. and anything before that is pure legends and speculations.

Kikke

"The Green Pact with the Forest God known as Y'ffre, the spirit of the now, is the agreement where the Bosmer promised never to harm or eat the vegetation of Valenwood, in return for Y'ffre's patronage.[13][19] To this day, they have little more than foot paths connecting their tiny settlements in Valenwood's sparsely populated forests.[1][20] In return, Y'ffre grants them the power to maintain their form and not constantly change their form as in the Dawn Era, while also permitting to them to return to that state if a significant number of Bosmer perform a ritual.[19][21] "

uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bosmer

"Y'ffre (God of the Forest): Most important deity of the Bosmeri pantheon. While Auri-El Time Dragon might be the king of the gods, the Bosmer revere Y'ffre as the spirit of 'the now'. According to the Wood Elves, after the creation of the mortal plane everything was in chaos. The first mortals were turning into plants and animals and back again."

This was a copy from another thread that asked the same question, so just going too leave the link for it here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/86563/bosmer-lore-question

DanteYoda

I did find this half way down...
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Daedra

The Khajiit
The Khajiit recognize the Daedra as one of two "litters" of spirits created by Ahnurr and Fadomai.[10] The Daedra do not differ much from their portrayals in other faiths, but the Khajiit believe that they were created by Azurah out of a single line of "forest people," some of whom were later corrupted by Y'ffer to become the Bosmer.[10]

Vhozek

Dunmer, Altmer, Bosmer, Maormer and Orsimer all used to be 1 race of elves called Aldmer.
There were those who worshipped Daedra as true gods but the others didn't like this and even killed a lot of these elves. These particular ones were aided by Boethiah to help them survive in darkness and murder if they needed to. Boethiah then aided them further by helping them escape Summerset Isles but Trinimac tried to stop them.
Trinimac was an Aldmer hero who was then confronted by Boethiah when he tried to stop the elves leaving. She/He, Boethiah, devoured Trinimac and released him as a corrupted being called Malakath. Trinimac's followers were also corrupted and transformed into Orcs.
The Daedric-worshipping Aldmer, guided by their prophet Veloth, then escaped to a land called Resdayn or as we know it by today, Morrowind. By this point they were no longer called Aldmer but Chimer or Changed Elves. There in Resdayn they met with the Dwemer, the Deep Elves who are also called Dwarves by the Giant races in another land (A whole other story for another time). I think they fought for the land for some time before finally coming together at peace. I'll summarize a bit. The Dwemer didnt worship any god and insteaf mocked them (basically atheist elves), aiming to challenge both Daedra and Aedra alike. They managed to get their hands onto the heart of Lorkhan, a god who tricked the 8 divines into creating the universe without telling them it would drain their powers and bind them to it. The gods killed him and tore his body apart, creating the 2 moons. They tried to destroy his heart but the heart laughed at them, so Auri-el (Akatosh) shot the heart into the ocean where Vvardelfell is right now. The heart then grew a literal volcano around itself, creating Vvardenfell. This all happenned before basically anything else I said before it lol. Anyways, the Dwemer were using the power of the god's heart to give themselves practically infinite lifespans while also creating a giant robot god named Numidium, the brass god. The Dwemer completely disappeared when someone (cant remember names) stroke the heart of Lorkahn. Some dude named Nerevar gave the heart to some dude named Dagoth Ur (his best friend) to hide it, but he went mad with power and had him killed (Dagoth Ur died). Then 3 people named Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec killed Nerevar as he was down and took the heart to become gods. The Daedric prince Azura was furious because these 3 mortals claimed god-hood so she cursed all Chimer with dark skin and red eyes, named Dunmer. After this, you buy TES3 and play Morrowind because that *** is absolutely insane and Dagoth Ur is an incredible being. I wanna play Morrowind again...

Vhozek

By the way, the Morrowind game takes place waaaaay after all this happened and an entire era after ESO (TES3 is 3rd era and ESO is 2nd era). We have no gameplay of what happened before 2nd era, making ESO the first TES game that goes back before all the other games. Oh and the Dwemer were called Dwarves because the Giants see them as tiny beings. This is basically to tell you that TES games do have Dwarves but in their own way. Dwemer are as tall as any men or mer race. Oh oh and Daedra means "not our ancestors" in the ancient elven language while Aedra means "our ancestors", not giving you a clear sign that either is good nor evil although Daedra have been very bad, but then again Aedra never visit Nirn. Except that one time in TES4 but only because a Daedric Prince was trying to take over the planet, thus taking over the Aedra? Since they became a part of it thanks to Lorkhan. Really makes you think who the good guys are since it seems like everyone is in it for themselves. Maybe the Chimer were right? Who knows haha.

DanteYoda

Still doesn't say if these Aedra and Deadra aren't just long lost ancestors of the modern Elves.. they all look identical.

Serjustin19

I so love horns and tails and animal ears of course to. Does that make me an animal to? But yeah, was wondering same thing why do Wood elf has horns? I could ask a certain someone(s) but I'm afraid my bonding is very bad.

Marginis

This is a good question for the lore forum. Basically, I'll say this: Elves, or mer, and men and beast races, are all separate from daedra, which are not a race so much as a different type of magical entity. They are often considered a race in many regards for ease of classification, but daedra are more akin to aedra, the gods, than the mortal races of men and mer.

Altmer are the purest of the mer, the most elvish of the elves. Bosmer are close cousins of the Altmer, but closer with nature , hence their antlers or horns. Dunmer are closer to the daedra, but are basically still elves - they just worship daedra. Bretons are basically half elves, so half Altmer and half Imperial, let's say, neither of which are particularly kind to daedra. The same goes for Nords and Redguards and Imperials - not big daedra fans. The beast races care less about good and evil in terms of aedra and daedra, generally, but the Orsimer, or orcs, are a weird case. By some they are considered a beast race, but you can also tell by their name - orsiMER - that they are also considered elves by some. The legend is that they were elves corrupted by what is now a daedric prince, so they have daedric energy in their blood. This is only legend however, so we don't know if orcs are literally related to daedra. I mean, the Khajiit and Argonians are called betmer and they are almost definitely not related to elves (or at least Argonians).

But no, wood elf horns aren't really daedra related at all - it's more to do with nature and animals.

Vhozek

DanteYoda wrote: »

Still doesn't say if these Aedra and Deadra aren't just long lost ancestors of the modern Elves.. they all look identical.

They are not.
The races of Nirn were once beings called Et'Ada. Daedra and Aedra were also Et'Ada but stronger. They still are Et'Ada but we identify them as Aedra and Daedra because of the events in the creation of Mundus (the plane of existance where we play the games). Humans and elves were Et'Ada that stayed on Nirn and wondered the planet. They were later called Ehlnofey and then humans and elves and so on as they lost their powers. So I guess in a way everyone is a decendant of both Daedra and Aedra in the sense that everyone used to be Et'Ada, but that's not the same thing.

DanteYoda

Thanks all i've learn't a lot here

Still not sure why some of the Dunmer quest npcs say that Dunmer are related to the Deadra.

Very odd.. If they are not.

ParaNostram

DanteYoda wrote: »

Thanks all i've learn't a lot here

Still not sure why some of the Dunmer quest npcs say that Dunmer are related to the Deadra.

Very odd.. If they are not.

I mean Dunmer have worshipped Daedra in the past, the hold the good daedra in significant positions culturally so culturally they are the closest to the daedra.

Bosmer horns are more to make them more in line with deer and such