Let's address the dire post-Morrowind state of Siphoning Strikes on Nightblades!

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

Before anything further, this is a really long post sooo... yeah.
As I am sure ALL fellow Nightblade agree, Siphoning Strikes and its morphs are absolute grabage. And IMO are probably in the top 5 most Trash abilities in the game since the horrible Morrowind patch. I want to address its odd past (then turned great), its horrendous present, and hopefully a better future.
(Also please excuse my lack of know-how on quoting things from previous patch notes, insertion of pictures, use of BBCode/formatting and such since I'm new here I'll try my best!)
Also PLEASE keep this civil. I know Nightblades aren't exactly the most...welcomed and loved class in the game by a large majority I'd say. I know we all have our grievances.

So lets' take a look at what was going on with Siphoning Attacks, starting in 2014 and moving ahead:
(First off, I don't remember the ability like this at the time because I was new to the game in 2015 so I wasn't paying attention to stuff like this). But I believe both morphs were toggles, reduced your Weapon Damage (WD) and also Spell Damage (SD) while activated.

1. This is a post on Deltia's Gaming website from 2014 that shows all the abilities and morphs at the time (Including Siphoning Strikes and its morphs Siphoning Attacks and Leeching Strikes. They're closer to the bottom of the page) This will give a good basic start explaining the oldest version of the ability (or refreshing some peoples memory lol):
   http://deltiasgaming.com/2014/08/16/eso-nightblade-skills-guide/

So now we're in 2015:

1. (March 2015) Patch notes v1.6.5:
   Siphoning Strikes
   Reduced the damage penalty for having Siphoning Strikes active by 5%
   
2. This forum post describes quite well how the ability was phenomenal in aiding NB Sap Tanks (RIP them now).
3. [Build] Shadows Preserve Us - The Nightblade Leech Tank (August 2015).
   
   The ability and its morphs were then reworked with the Imperial City patch (yay!)
   
4. (August 31, 2015) Patch notes v2.1.4
5. Siphoning Strikes:
   This ability is no longer a toggle, and now has a 15 second duration.
   Note: The Leeching Strikes morph remains a toggled ability.
   Removed the Power and Spell Power debuff; your attacks now do full damage.
   This ability no longer restores a percentage of your Magicka or Stamina. Instead, it restores a fixed amount per hit.
   You will no longer build up extra visual effects on your weapon when this ability is cast multiple times.

So now where in 2016. I'm somewhat unsure when they removed the WD/SD effect from the base ability and Siphoning Attacks but I think it was in late 2015. My reasoning:

1. (January 6th, 2016) A Reddit forum post: https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3zpy1p/daily_skill_discussion_1616_siphoning_strikes/?st=jgx0a6rn&sh=c2a2b9c7
2. Siphoning Strikes
   Imbue your weapons with soul-stealing power.
   Each basic attack restores (x) Magicka and Stamina and has a chance of restoring 15%.
   This effect has a duration of 15 seconds.
   Morphs
   
   Leeching Strikes
   
   Imbue your weapons with soul-stealing power.
   Each basic attack restores (x) Magicka and Stamina and has a chance of restoring 15%.
   Each basic attack also restores 2% Health.
   Reduces Weapon and Spell Power by 20% while active
   New Effect- Becomes a Toggle ability and basic attacks restore 2% Health. Reduces Weapon and Spell Power when activated.
   
   Siphoning Attacks
   
   Imbue your weapons with soul-stealing power.
   Each basic attack restores (x) Magicka and Stamina and all attacks have a chance of restoring 15%.
   New Effect- All attacks have a chance to restore Magicka and Stamina.

It was at this point (2016) I believe that the ability we all know and love was around.
As you will see in the comment section, caltrops was brought in. At one time, Siphoning Strikes (or was it just Attacks?) proced off caltrops. That's insane and OP but can understand why the devs changed that. RIP xD


So now we're gonna visiting 2017 and the most loved and incredible patch done to ESO: Morrowind (/s lol)
Morrowind patch notes from May on Siphoning Strikes and its morph changes: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/345258/pc-mac-patch-notes-v3-0-5-morrowind-update-14

1. Siphoning
   Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now converts the ability into a Stamina ability and causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore Stamina based on your character level, and an additional burst of Stamina when the effect ends.
   Siphoning Attacks (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to also restore Magicka based on your character level, and an additional burst of Magicka when the effect ends.
   Siphoning Strikes:
   This ability now causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore Health instead of Magicka or Stamina.
   Increased the duration of this ability and its morphs to 20 seconds from 15 seconds.
   Reduced the cost of this ability and its morphs by approximately 50%.
   Recasting this ability or its morphs early will now always trigger the ending resource restore. The value of this restore is based on the length of time the abilities were active, similar to Rally's heal.
   Each Light or Heavy Attack from this ability or its morphs will now restore less resources, but the final burst at the end will restore more resources. The total resources restored by this ability will remain roughly the same.
   Developer Comments:
   This is a significant reduction to the Magicka and Stamina restored by these abilities, but the addition of Health restore should give Nightblades more healing to improve their survivability. The changes also make the resource restore portion of these abilities better if you are not weaving Light Attacks perfectly, which is desirable for tanks and healers who spend time blocking or healing.
   A Reddit post from May 12, 2017. Be warned however, there IS a lot of vulgar in the comment section about the ability changes and about the Devs, so you've been warned. It is however, quite a bit insightful too:
   https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/6atip3/list_of_the_upcoming_balance_changes_announced_on/?st=jgx0heky&sh=c9550555

OK guys, so I'm finishing up here. Just got some tidbits to throw in. I can somewhat see why our beloved ability was immensely changed/gutted and nerfed, because of its large sustain benefits. Morrowind changed sustain for EVERYONE and I acknowledge it (still trying to figure out the ranking of worst to least), I get it but we shouldn't have gotten this sort of change. If ZoS had even implemented the damage reduction and reduced the amount restores by even 1/3 or something, It would still be a decent ability I think.

Pre-Morrowind, like 99.9% of the population chose Siphoning Attacks because of its multifunction and only Sap Tanks (which were pretty far and few) chose Leeching Strikes (I still don't quite understand why) but with the MW patch, Sap Tanks have all been obliterated. I don't know of a single one and that's another issue with the change: THE MORROWIND NERF TO SIPHONING STRIKES KILLED DIVERSITY Heres how:
You can pick between stam restoration or mag restoration. For a Stamblade like me, It's an obvious choice: Leeching Strikes which gives back Stamina. BUT, on a Magblade, which do you choose? Siphoning Attacks for the magicka (because that's your main pool) or Leeching because of needed Stam sustain also? I'm not so much affected by the change as my magicka counterparts were and it really really sucks. I feel bad for them I don't rely on Magicka on my stamblade, its meh. On a Magblade, it could be life or death if you don't have the stam to break free/dodge/etc. They were hit the hardest.

I just find it VERY disturbing that it's week 4 of what, probably 5 weeks of PTS (and next week isn't going to be class changes right?) and the only change to Siphoning Attacks is some "bug" fix.

Ok, that's it. Tell me what you think of my FIRST forum post and do you have any comments to make about the ability and its morphs?

ArpamiesFin

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

Xuhora

garbage, top 5 trash ability....
I was reading that post, baffled, confused and doubting your knowledge about the game.
then it struk me: your are talking about PVP...
you see: my Magblade has siphoning slotted, my stamblade has leeching slotted. They give me freakin unbelievable high sustain. Thats why my Magblade and my Stamblade are my best DPS chars. Im by far not top noch Nightblade player, but im certain that the leeching strikes are slotted by every Blade in PVE.

So now: garbage, top 5 trash ability. nope, definitly nope.
its just once again the uncrossable gap between PVP and PVE.

ArpamiesFin

changed my mind, leeching strikes is trash, i have trouble sustaining with it, they should buff the burst tick by 2x

Feanor

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

changed my mind, leeching strikes is trash, i have trouble sustaining with it, they should buff the burst tick by 2x

They should also add some of the major and minor buffs NBs still haven’t access to, so the ability is more interesting and fits into the NB toolkit theme of having overloaded skills and passives.

ecru

TBH I think the sustain is mostly fine but it would be nice if the stam morph granted major brutality and magicka morph major sorcery. Magnb in particular could use a good source of major sorcery and siphoning strikes seems like a good candidate.

ArpamiesFin

Feanor wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

changed my mind, leeching strikes is trash, i have trouble sustaining with it, they should buff the burst tick by 2x

They should also add some of the major and minor buffs NBs still haven’t access to, so the ability is more interesting and fits into the NB toolkit theme of having overloaded skills and passives.

that would make it more balanced i agree

Silver_Strider

My only problem with Leeching/Siphoning is that there is no emphasis on Heavy Attacking while its on. It restores the same amount of resources on a Heavy as it does a Light and that really should be changed so that heavy attacks get some sort of benefit from it (Heavy Attacks are for sustain, right ZOS?)

Gimme this one change and I'll be happy with it.

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

ecru wrote: »

TBH I think the sustain is mostly fine but it would be nice if the stam morph granted major brutality and magicka morph major sorcery. Magnb in particular could use a good source of major sorcery and siphoning strikes seems like a good candidate.

That would be nice, I wouldn't have to use Rally for MB (even though I do need that heal) but it would allow me to move to Dual Wield and not have to use Hidden Dagger for MB.

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

Xuhora wrote: »

garbage, top 5 trash ability....
I was reading that post, baffled, confused and doubting your knowledge about the game.
then it struk me: your are talking about PVP...
you see: my Magblade has siphoning slotted, my stamblade has leeching slotted. They give me freakin unbelievable high sustain. Thats why my Magblade and my Stamblade are my best DPS chars. Im by far not top noch Nightblade player, but im certain that the leeching strikes are slotted by every Blade in PVE.

So now: garbage, top 5 trash ability. nope, definitly nope.
its just once again the uncrossable gap between PVP and PVE.

You see, I mostly PvP (verses doing Trials/Dungeons) but I don't quite do it that much anymore. I'm more of an Overland sort of person now because of level characters and getting Achievements (66% game completion!) But if you were to ask someone if they prefer the old (best version) of SA vs new, I can guarantee you not a single person will take the current version. The new version is absolutely abysmal and the heal pitiful. I don't even care about the heal!

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

@Gilliamtherogue I'm a fan of yours. Do you have any useful words?

NyassaV

The numeric values make it one of the best sustain skills in the game but everything else about the skill sucks. The old version let me actually CC break in no-CP PvP @ZOS_Wrobel

I could be slightly wrong but Templar has the best magicka sustain when it comes to numbers, followed by Warden, a very slow yet steady flow of resources and then of course the sorc sustain skill which can't be very viably used in PvE

NyassaV

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

only numerically and for 1 single resource and no other

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

NyassaV wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

only numerically and for 1 single resource and no other

By numerically, does that mean like "It's good on paper but...." ?

ccfeeling

No offence but great players alway ruin the class .

Gilliam hits 60k doesn't mean we all can do it , most of us are just casual players , but ZOS keep to nerf NB every single patch based on some fantastic player results and pvp crying babies .

To ZOS , Siphoning Strikes and strife nerfing are not enough , if you wanna real nerf NB , you have to nerf the NB cored skill , grim focus , increase to 10 LA or reduce half damage or remove this skill

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

NyassaV wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

only numerically and for 1 single resource and no other

Name other classes skill that gives both.

Nightblades have the cheapest skills, even with the funnel health nerf, with the highest Regen that doesn't require you to slot anything, refreshing shadows. And probably the best ulti gen out off all the classes. NB do not need buffs like you are asking for. If anything, the coming light attack meta is talor made for them, NB have 2 skills that are directly tied to them, grim focus and morphs and Siphoning Strikes and it's morphs and NBS are probably the only class that will be able to sustain them.

The long and the short of your argument is that magbaldes don't have access to Stam Regen in PvP. Well boo hoo. Magblades can basically cloak forever. That is a trade-off. Can have everything.

Also, before anything is touched with NB sustain, repentance need to be fixed.

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

ccfeeling wrote: »

No offence but great players alway ruin the class .

Gilliam hits 60k doesn't mean we all can do it , most of us are just casual players , but ZOS keep to nerf NB every single patch based on some fantastic player results and pvp crying babies .

To ZOS , Siphoning Strikes and strife nerfing are not enough , if you wanna real nerf NB , you have to nerf the NB cored skill , grim focus , increase to 10 LA or reduce half damage or remove this skill

Long time ago, I believe Grim Focus required like 8 LA/HA to proc it. Whew

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

only numerically and for 1 single resource and no other

Name other classes skill that gives both.

Nightblades have the cheapest skills, even with the funnel health nerf, with the highest Regen that doesn't require you to slot anything, refreshing shadows. And probably the best ulti gen out off all the classes. NB do not need buffs like you are asking for. If anything, the coming light attack meta is talor made for them, NB have 2 skills that are directly tied to them, grim focus and morphs and Siphoning Strikes and it's morphs and NBS are probably the only class that will be able to sustain them.

The long and the short of your argument is that magbaldes don't have access to Stam Regen in PvP. Well boo hoo. Magblades can't basically cloak forever. That is a trade-off. Can have everything.

Also, before anything is touched with NB sustain, repentance need to be fixed.

That's one change I don't get, what did they do to repentance?

efster

Siphoning Attacks pre-Morrowind was a nightblade tank's only way of converting magicka to stamina (an essential item in any tank's toolkit, and every other class has a way to do this, hell, Wardens just get their chosen resource for free). Now all we can use is Equilibrium which a) not a class skill; b) stresses healers.

I'm not interested in bringing SA back to its OP "procs every tick of Caltrops" glory, but ZoS has to give NBs back a way to convert mag to stam or generally getting stamina back in a way that doesn't involve a melee heavy attack. And no, "put an ice staff on your back bar" is not an acceptable solution, not until the ice staff passives are comparable to 1h/s (reduced block cost for standard damage and extra for projectiles, improved bashing, greater mobility). And again, any class can backbar an ice staff.

I want just one ZoS dev responsible for this mess to follow their ~living shadow~ build advisor, take a NB tank into vAA and try hanging out with 5 Conjured Axes with 200 ping. If they can drop block and complete a single heavy attack (or even get out of the block regen delay) without ending up on their knees in that situation, I'll eat my computer.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

only numerically and for 1 single resource and no other

Name other classes skill that gives both.

Nightblades have the cheapest skills, even with the funnel health nerf, with the highest Regen that doesn't require you to slot anything, refreshing shadows. And probably the best ulti gen out off all the classes. NB do not need buffs like you are asking for. If anything, the coming light attack meta is talor made for them, NB have 2 skills that are directly tied to them, grim focus and morphs and Siphoning Strikes and it's morphs and NBS are probably the only class that will be able to sustain them.

The long and the short of your argument is that magbaldes don't have access to Stam Regen in PvP. Well boo hoo. Magblades can't basically cloak forever. That is a trade-off. Can have everything.

Also, before anything is touched with NB sustain, repentance need to be fixed.

That's one change I don't get, what did they do to repentance?

The repentance thing is not new. It happened in Morrowind. Only one Templar can repent a body. That is it. So if you have 2 stamplars in the group, you are always fighting for bodys. More then once i have been kicked while playing on my stamplar for being the other temp. Then there is tankplars, repentance is literally the only way a tankplar can get stam back while blocking. Do you understand how much worse then what you are complaining about this is?

Rohamad_Ali

ccfeeling wrote: »

No offence but great players alway ruin the class .

Gilliam hits 60k doesn't mean we all can do it , most of us are just casual players , but ZOS keep to nerf NB every single patch based on some fantastic player results and pvp crying babies .

To ZOS , Siphoning Strikes and strife nerfing are not enough , if you wanna real nerf NB , you have to nerf the NB cored skill , grim focus , increase to 10 LA or reduce half damage or remove this skill

NyassaV

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

only numerically and for 1 single resource and no other

By numerically, does that mean like "It's good on paper but...." ?

Close. It means the number values are good and it's cost efficient. However currently in PvP the skill is pretty bad and really only truly useful in PvE. I legit use eledrain in PvP over Siphoning because Eledrain is technically better and I can get the stupid ancient knowledge passive that requires a bloody skill to be slotted

NyassaV

efster wrote: »

Siphoning Attacks pre-Morrowind was a nightblade tank's only way of converting magicka to stamina (an essential item in any tank's toolkit, and every other class has a way to do this, hell, Wardens just get their chosen resource for free). Now all we can use is Equilibrium which a) not a class skill; b) stresses healers.

I'm not interested in bringing SA back to its OP "procs every tick of Caltrops" glory, but ZoS has to give NBs back a way to convert mag to stam or generally getting stamina back in a way that doesn't involve a melee heavy attack. And no, "put an ice staff on your back bar" is not an acceptable solution, not until the ice staff passives are comparable to 1h/s (reduced block cost for standard damage and extra for projectiles, improved bashing, greater mobility). And again, any class can backbar an ice staff.

I want just one ZoS dev responsible for this mess to follow their ~living shadow~ build advisor, take a NB tank into vAA and try hanging out with 5 Conjured Axes with 200 ping. If they can drop block and complete a single heavy attack (or even get out of the block regen delay) without ending up on their knees in that situation, I'll eat my computer.

Preech

NyassaV

ccfeeling wrote: »

No offence but great players alway ruin the class .

Gilliam hits 60k doesn't mean we all can do it , most of us are just casual players , but ZOS keep to nerf NB every single patch based on some fantastic player results and pvp crying babies .

To ZOS , Siphoning Strikes and strife nerfing are not enough , if you wanna real nerf NB , you have to nerf the NB cored skill , grim focus , increase to 10 LA or reduce half damage or remove this skill

Gilliam stated that his 60k parse was cheese, as well as his 50k one. I have the discord messages to prove it. So guess what, you can get close if not actually do it

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

only numerically and for 1 single resource and no other

Name other classes skill that gives both.

Nightblades have the cheapest skills, even with the funnel health nerf, with the highest Regen that doesn't require you to slot anything, refreshing shadows. And probably the best ulti gen out off all the classes. NB do not need buffs like you are asking for. If anything, the coming light attack meta is talor made for them, NB have 2 skills that are directly tied to them, grim focus and morphs and Siphoning Strikes and it's morphs and NBS are probably the only class that will be able to sustain them.

The long and the short of your argument is that magbaldes don't have access to Stam Regen in PvP. Well boo hoo. Magblades can't basically cloak forever. That is a trade-off. Can have everything.

Also, before anything is touched with NB sustain, repentance need to be fixed.

That's one change I don't get, what did they do to repentance?

The repentance thing is not new. It happened in Morrowind. Only one Templar can repent a body. That is it. So if you have 2 stamplars in the group, you are always fighting for bodys. More then once i have been kicked while playing on my stamplar for being the other temp. Then there is tankplars, repentance is literally the only way a tankplar can get stam back while blocking. Do you understand how much worse then what you are complaining about this is?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the way you're acting, it would seem you might be a Templar main or at least not have high regards for Nightblade? With what you just said, I now do understand that the change to Repentance is quite bad (I thought they did more to it...) and Templars are more support oriented and it has to be changed. HOWEVER, that doesn't change the severity of NBs issue with this ability. Did you not see the Sap Tank section?

Did you by chance see the line that said "We all have our grievances?" This wasn't some rant post like many on the forums, but explained and backed up by previous facts and didn't spit any bile. So I'm not sure why you're going hard at NBs. We've had hard and few buffs since Imperial City which was the downwards decline where we kept getting nerfed every patch (also stated by someone above).

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

NyassaV wrote: »

efster wrote: »

Siphoning Attacks pre-Morrowind was a nightblade tank's only way of converting magicka to stamina (an essential item in any tank's toolkit, and every other class has a way to do this, hell, Wardens just get their chosen resource for free). Now all we can use is Equilibrium which a) not a class skill; b) stresses healers.

I'm not interested in bringing SA back to its OP "procs every tick of Caltrops" glory, but ZoS has to give NBs back a way to convert mag to stam or generally getting stamina back in a way that doesn't involve a melee heavy attack. And no, "put an ice staff on your back bar" is not an acceptable solution, not until the ice staff passives are comparable to 1h/s (reduced block cost for standard damage and extra for projectiles, improved bashing, greater mobility). And again, any class can backbar an ice staff.

I want just one ZoS dev responsible for this mess to follow their ~living shadow~ build advisor, take a NB tank into vAA and try hanging out with 5 Conjured Axes with 200 ping. If they can drop block and complete a single heavy attack (or even get out of the block regen delay) without ending up on their knees in that situation, I'll eat my computer.

Preech

Exactly this. I admitted the caltrop cheese was bad (but hey I'll take it lol....) an ok with not having it. This is the type of comment(s) I was looking for! 10/10

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

NyassaV wrote: »

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

only numerically and for 1 single resource and no other

By numerically, does that mean like "It's good on paper but...." ?

Close. It means the number values are good and it's cost efficient. However currently in PvP the skill is pretty bad and really only truly useful in PvE. I legit use eledrain in PvP over Siphoning because Eledrain is technically better and I can get the stupid ancient knowledge passive that requires a bloody skill to be slotted

Gotcha. I would say it IS most eh *useful* in PvE but it's still beyond lacking.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

only numerically and for 1 single resource and no other

Name other classes skill that gives both.

Nightblades have the cheapest skills, even with the funnel health nerf, with the highest Regen that doesn't require you to slot anything, refreshing shadows. And probably the best ulti gen out off all the classes. NB do not need buffs like you are asking for. If anything, the coming light attack meta is talor made for them, NB have 2 skills that are directly tied to them, grim focus and morphs and Siphoning Strikes and it's morphs and NBS are probably the only class that will be able to sustain them.

The long and the short of your argument is that magbaldes don't have access to Stam Regen in PvP. Well boo hoo. Magblades can't basically cloak forever. That is a trade-off. Can have everything.

Also, before anything is touched with NB sustain, repentance need to be fixed.

That's one change I don't get, what did they do to repentance?

The repentance thing is not new. It happened in Morrowind. Only one Templar can repent a body. That is it. So if you have 2 stamplars in the group, you are always fighting for bodys. More then once i have been kicked while playing on my stamplar for being the other temp. Then there is tankplars, repentance is literally the only way a tankplar can get stam back while blocking. Do you understand how much worse then what you are complaining about this is?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the way you're acting, it would seem you might be a Templar main or at least not have high regards for Nightblade? With what you just said, I now do understand that the change to Repentance is quite bad (I thought they did more to it...) and Templars are more support oriented and it has to be changed. HOWEVER, that doesn't change the severity of NBs issue with this ability. Did you not see the Sap Tank section?

Did you by chance see the line that said "We all have our grievances?" This wasn't some rant post like many on the forums, but explained and backed up by previous facts and didn't spit any bile. So I'm not sure why you're going hard at NBs. We've had hard and few buffs since Imperial City which was the downwards decline where we kept getting nerfed every patch (also stated by someone above).

I have no main class. I have 10 toons. Stam and mag of all the classes. I play them all at a high level. Do you?


You seem like a PvP main, just answer me this, have you ever been kicked from a dungeon for using Siphoning Strikes or its morphs?

Ultimate_Overlord

Simply recasting the skill every 20s provides you with more sustain than bull netch, rune focus (considering the uptime of that skill in pvp as actually quite low in situations where it is relevant) or battle roar on a build with average ult gen. Not every nb skill is supposed to be incap, siphoning is a perfectly fine ability.

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

i find both morphs to be awesome sustain skills, probably best in the game.

only numerically and for 1 single resource and no other

Name other classes skill that gives both.

Nightblades have the cheapest skills, even with the funnel health nerf, with the highest Regen that doesn't require you to slot anything, refreshing shadows. And probably the best ulti gen out off all the classes. NB do not need buffs like you are asking for. If anything, the coming light attack meta is talor made for them, NB have 2 skills that are directly tied to them, grim focus and morphs and Siphoning Strikes and it's morphs and NBS are probably the only class that will be able to sustain them.

The long and the short of your argument is that magbaldes don't have access to Stam Regen in PvP. Well boo hoo. Magblades can't basically cloak forever. That is a trade-off. Can have everything.

Also, before anything is touched with NB sustain, repentance need to be fixed.

That's one change I don't get, what did they do to repentance?

The repentance thing is not new. It happened in Morrowind. Only one Templar can repent a body. That is it. So if you have 2 stamplars in the group, you are always fighting for bodys. More then once i have been kicked while playing on my stamplar for being the other temp. Then there is tankplars, repentance is literally the only way a tankplar can get stam back while blocking. Do you understand how much worse then what you are complaining about this is?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the way you're acting, it would seem you might be a Templar main or at least not have high regards for Nightblade? With what you just said, I now do understand that the change to Repentance is quite bad (I thought they did more to it...) and Templars are more support oriented and it has to be changed. HOWEVER, that doesn't change the severity of NBs issue with this ability. Did you not see the Sap Tank section?

Did you by chance see the line that said "We all have our grievances?" This wasn't some rant post like many on the forums, but explained and backed up by previous facts and didn't spit any bile. So I'm not sure why you're going hard at NBs. We've had hard and few buffs since Imperial City which was the downwards decline where we kept getting nerfed every patch (also stated by someone above).

I have no main class. I have 10 toons. Stam and mag of all the classes. I play them all at a high level. Do you?


You seem like a PvP main, just answer me this, have you ever been kicked from a dungeon for using Siphoning Strikes or its morphs?

Well, I did say above that I am more of a PvP player but no as much anymore. If you take a look at my 9 characters list in my Signature or whatever, you'll see my character activity. Not to the same extent as you but I'm not some scrub as you may think I am.

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The ability is in a fine place imo. Would much rather see power extraction see some changes.