change class option?

UglyBunnyCu

Casul

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I see no issue with it. I personally wouldn’t use it but I have no problem with other people using it.

tinythinker

If it's the middle two it would be more reasonable (extremely limited number of swaps, long cool-down on swaps). There are many arguments out there (many of them good) for not allowing such changes, but as long as people weren't swapping to each new meta personally I wouldn't care.

Ectheliontnacil

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I have like 3 magblades and wouldn't mind scrapping them if we got a new class, so I don't need to farm undaunted.

Bigevilpeter

no

It won't work in this game since you will have to level up all their skill trees again which might as well reroll a new one

Guarlet

no

Would only (maybe) be cool with it if it was purchasable from the crown store with a high price, AND had a long cooldown. Don't need people being eager lemmings and swapping to the new meta every patch.

I just don't see it as needed though. If you want to play a different class, it's easy to make alts in this game.

Ragnork

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

It won't work in this game since you will have to level up all their skill trees again which might as well reroll a new one

I fail to see the problem with this.
If I changed job in the real world, say accountant to doctor, I would not expect to be able to do so without having to re-train. It would be a choice that I would make knowing the hard work that would need to be invested in making the change.

Compare this to the inconsistency of being able to change race in the game. Was an Orc is now a Woodelf...

TelvanniWizard

no

Commit to your destiny.

Kodrac

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I don't mind making a new character or leveling skills. Even mages guild and fighters guild I don't mind regrinding. It's the GD mount training I hate redoing. 0 speed mounts are the worst part of new characters. I would rather pay for a class change token than pay for mount training. Either 6 months in game or $150 in the crown store - fook that.

tinythinker

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

It won't work in this game since you will have to level up all their skill trees again which might as well reroll a new one

If you had a main with 20k+ achievement points it would be comparatively inconsequential to level up a few skills lines. If you are level 50/CP 300+ you can grind that out really fast.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

yes, with long cooldown

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

It won't work in this game since you will have to level up all their skill trees again which might as well reroll a new one

Most toons need to grind post 50 anyways. I dont really see this being much of an issue. What keeps most people from just re-rolling are things like mounts, craft research, and achievements.

2 years ago, I would probably be opposed to this. At this point, I would like the feature. I have a stam DK i made as my second toon which is still only level 4. He has crafting researched and horses+bags maxes, so I would hate to delete him, but I also have three other DKs. I would change his class (and alliance) if I could, and the level 50 thing is not even an issue in this scenario.

Avran_Sylt

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Resets all Class Skill-lines and Class Ability Experience to 0 though. And won't 'remember' your other class experience either.

klowdy1

no

People used to understand the consequences of making a new character/class, now everyone wants the easy way out.

tinythinker

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People used to understand the consequences of making a new character/class, now everyone wants the easy way out.

Merlin13KAGL

no

#1: Unless you're already maxed a character of that class previously, class skills and all, this shouldn't even be considered.
#2: By changing your class, you're fundamentally changing your character entirely. The "But my achievements" crowd cannot say that they would be able to achieve the same things with the new class as they did the old.
#3: 15 character slots, more than enough room for variance.
#4: Doesn't take that long to get to 50, max crafts, max guild lines, or even max horses.

The only remotely similar option I would approve of would be character import/export.

• Buy a crown token to essentially archive a character or reimplement one that was previously archived.
• This would let you free up spaces to try new things without losing the progress from a long term alt.
• Crown cost would still earn ZoS $$$, and it could be encrypted and tied to your account to prevent modification and account selling.

tinythinker

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

#2: By changing your class, you're fundamentally changing your character entirely. The "But my achievements" crowd cannot say that they would be able to achieve the same things with the new class as they did the old.

Ignoring the huge time and cost, though, for people with high levels of achievements.

How is race change not a fundamental change, btw? I recall the same argument being used before those tokens came out.

ZioGio

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Just out of curiosity, how does the No crowd see a change like this influencing their game play? If everyone around you suddenly became a Warden, would that have a negative impact on your game play?

This proposal comes up every so often and most of the "no" responses I read effectively are one group of people telling another group of people how they should play the game, but not necessarily suggesting how someone might enjoy the game by using the currently available paths (like alts).

Play and let play. This game is for everyone and there's no right or wrong way to enjoy it.

DaveMoeDee

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Bigevilpeter wrote: »

It won't work in this game since you will have to level up all their skill trees again which might as well reroll a new one

Leveling doesn't compare to the trait research or even the cost of motifs. I wouldn't use a token since I have plenty of alts, but sometimes I feel like having my main be a tank makes it harder for me to get some achievements--or at least makes it a lot slower.

klowdy1

no

tinythinker wrote: »

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klowdy1 wrote: »

People used to understand the consequences of making a new character/class, now everyone wants the easy way out.

And become more entitled apparantly.

ZioGio wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, how does the No crowd see a change like this influencing their game play? If everyone around you suddenly became a Warden, would that have a negative impact on your game play?

This proposal comes up every so often and most of the "no" responses I read effectively are one group of people telling another group of people how they should play the game, but not necessarily suggesting how someone might enjoy the game by using the currently available paths (like alts).

Play and let play. This game is for everyone and there's no right or wrong way to enjoy it.

People love to play fotm. People would be changing class too often, with no idea what to do with their new class, but still joining in random groups, or jumping into pvp. Ten people in a zerg with no idea how to play their class would guarantee failure when the other zerg smashes into you. That is reason enough to laugh this topic off, as the devs always do.

kargen27

yes, paid with gold

If it happens it should cost a good amount of gold. Should also involve a good long quest and skills should be set back to one so you have to level them back up to four again to pick the morphs then level up the morph.

Should be a one time deal per character.

No way it should become a crown store thing.

AlienatedGoat

yes, with long cooldown

Advocated this before, along with alliance change tokens.

3000 crowns. 6 month timer.

tinythinker

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tinythinker wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

People used to understand the consequences of making a new character/class, now everyone wants the easy way out.

And become more entitled apparantly apparently.

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klowdy1 wrote: »

People love to play fotm. People would be changing class too often, with no idea what to do with their new class, but still joining in random groups, or jumping into pvp. Ten people in a zerg with no idea how to play their class would guarantee failure when the other zerg smashes into you. That is reason enough to laugh this topic off, as the devs always do.

Yet there was mention early on in the poll itself of limiting the number of changes to one or two as well as having a long cool-down period before being able to change again if there even was a second chance to change, cutting off flocking to fotm outside of alts.



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Separate thought/comment:

I don't care if they implement class changes but it would be nice to see an actual argument against having very limited class change options (like one change with a high cash shop price tag) other than "people need to value the consequences of making their first character with little or no experience with the game." It's boring when people second-guess each other or just puts words in their mouth.

I can see why some people would want to stick with the same character but wish they had made it something else -- not wanting to give up the name, the time spent as that character, the achievements, etc. I can also see why in some games flocking to fotm would be a serious problem, especially your role(s) = class based. Yet if there are controls against that (a one-time highly priced change per toon) the fotm issue evaporates.

None of this means one side should get their way, or the ZOS will or won't eventually add such a costly token to the Crown Store. But it seems like the discussions on this topic tend to stall around the point either the thread ends for flaming ensues as the same original points are repeated. So whatever side you prefer, where do you go next? Is there another reason for or against with a fotm guard on the table and if "consequences" is tabled? Or is it just "uh huh" vs. "nuh uh" the rest of the way

KRBMMO

yes, once or twice per character

Once only.
Otherwise we will have only one class used per patch. As it is you have to at least level up several toons to always play the meta but even then not so much.
If you can change race and class every patch people will just pay an additional $20 every three months to alwyas have the strongest "easy mode" combo.
This will be even more true with BOE crafted jewelry.

ZioGio

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klowdy1 wrote: »

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ZioGio wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, how does the No crowd see a change like this influencing their game play? If everyone around you suddenly became a Warden, would that have a negative impact on your game play?

This proposal comes up every so often and most of the "no" responses I read effectively are one group of people telling another group of people how they should play the game, but not necessarily suggesting how someone might enjoy the game by using the currently available paths (like alts).

Play and let play. This game is for everyone and there's no right or wrong way to enjoy it.

People love to play fotm. People would be changing class too often, with no idea what to do with their new class, but still joining in random groups, or jumping into pvp. Ten people in a zerg with no idea how to play their class would guarantee failure when the other zerg smashes into you. That is reason enough to laugh this topic off, as the devs always do.

You make a fair point, but how is changing class any different than keeping a class and changing a role? In my experience, Stamina Templars and Magicka Templars are worlds apart in armor, weapons, skills, and play style; and competence and expertise with the new role's build doesn't happen instantaneously.

In fact, I'd wager a player who changes classes, but keeps the same role, is likely going to know how to play their new class better than someone switching to a different role within their existing class.

MerlinPendragon

no

Create a new toon.

I would rather see ZOS add more character slot tokens than a class change token.

Azurephoenix999

yes, with long cooldown

I think yes. There would have to be limitations on it to prevent abuse, but as long as those limitations are put in place I would be totally fine with this. I'd probably use it on my Sorc, since the character I had in mind would work better as a DK. As for having to level up the class skills all over again, I could definitely see that being justified.

For people who are 100% against this idea, I've yet to see any valid argument against this being implemented besides "it would be too easy to swap to new meta". While that would be a problem...it's more like a symptom of a bigger problem. If balance was done correctly, there wouldn't be a "this class is the best at everything" problem which would cause everybody to flock to it like the "no" crowd is afraid of.

Point is, people changing class doesn't HAVE to be an issue. It has tons of pros and almost no cons.

...also, don't dis how people feel about their achievements, motifs, and traits, and stuff. It's perfectly valid for someone to want to play as a different class without having to throw away literally everything else about the character.

ynimma

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I'd LOVE to have this feature.
There's already way to change race which also touches the subject of skills changing, I don't see any of the "No" arguments valid enough not to have this.
The same 3k crown and 6 months cooldown would be a win-win.
I wish I could revitalize my oldest character with whom I got fond memories playing the main quest along first time but now as I know more about the game it's obvious he's not a well-chosen class for the race. And I rather have him a new class than a new race, that would be ridiculous.
(How on Earth is it possible anyway to change race but not class? This is completely out of mind... did Molag Bal dropped an anchor in the yard at ZOS's headquarters?!)

TheShadowScout

Last official word I heard on that was still "nope".

I suppose if they plan to add more classes, it might actually make sense... though really, I would prefer to see them add stuff that can be refitted to all existing characters instead.


...but if it ever comes, we can be -sure- it will be a very pricey crown store token, I am talking 5000+ crowns here, they will want to see some return for all the paid time their code-jockeys would have to spend on implementing that change option without breaking something, yes?

ccfeeling

yes, paid with gold

Yes please .

Life is busy , I want to enjoy the game with one single char , ZOS , please .

20k gold once , sounds fair .

klowdy1

no

tinythinker wrote: »

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klowdy1 wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

People used to understand the consequences of making a new character/class, now everyone wants the easy way out.

And become more entitled apparantly apparently.

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klowdy1 wrote: »

People love to play fotm. People would be changing class too often, with no idea what to do with their new class, but still joining in random groups, or jumping into pvp. Ten people in a zerg with no idea how to play their class would guarantee failure when the other zerg smashes into you. That is reason enough to laugh this topic off, as the devs always do.

Yet there was mention early on in the poll itself of limiting the number of changes to one or two as well as having a long cool-down period before being able to change again if there even was a second chance to change, cutting off flocking to fotm outside of alts.

Sorry about the spelling, my phone isn't auto correcting, even though with all of the other things wrong with grammar in these forums, and it seems like you focus on this to be a ***. What is to stop people from crying for the limit restrictions after the token is implemented, or demanding the change become free, and usable at any time. People always expect more, the line needs to be drawn somewhere. The logical place would be where people have to actually play the game more, not just skip to the end.

ZioGio wrote: »

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klowdy1 wrote: »

ZioGio wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, how does the No crowd see a change like this influencing their game play? If everyone around you suddenly became a Warden, would that have a negative impact on your game play?

This proposal comes up every so often and most of the "no" responses I read effectively are one group of people telling another group of people how they should play the game, but not necessarily suggesting how someone might enjoy the game by using the currently available paths (like alts).

Play and let play. This game is for everyone and there's no right or wrong way to enjoy it.

People love to play fotm. People would be changing class too often, with no idea what to do with their new class, but still joining in random groups, or jumping into pvp. Ten people in a zerg with no idea how to play their class would guarantee failure when the other zerg smashes into you. That is reason enough to laugh this topic off, as the devs always do.

You make a fair point, but how is changing class any different than keeping a class and changing a role? In my experience, Stamina Templars and Magicka Templars are worlds apart in armor, weapons, skills, and play style; and competence and expertise with the new role's build doesn't happen instantaneously.

In fact, I'd wager a player who changes classes, but keeps the same role, is likely going to know how to play their new class better than someone switching to a different role within their existing class.

That's a good point. The way I see it is if people are wanting to be the absolute best class at that moment, they are looking to top charts in some group activity. People that play strictly solo more than likely don't know they aren't the best, because OW content makes everyone feel OP, lol.

madchuska83

no

Considering the fact that it's possible to level a new toon to 50 in a matter of days, my answer is no. Granted you will still have to grind guild skill lines, but it's not terribly difficult.