magblade can't kill the warden due to shimmering.Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
magblade can't kill the warden due to shimmering.Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »magblade can't kill the warden due to shimmering.Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
Then you can slot melee abilities. magblade maybe can't faceroll against shimmering, but that warden isn't also going to faceroll the magblade either. Its a fight already favoured for magblade.
Lughlongarm wrote: »Blade Cloak - This shuts down both "Subterranean Assault" and "Dawnbreaker of Smiting", It will be very hard to combo you to death if you reduce the damage by 25%.
Stamblade and melee mageblade hard counter stam warden, destro mageblade and DoT builds soft counter it
Stam warden has no native answer for cloak or defile. Since it is so heavily based on healing defiles are particularly effective. Without a purge DoTs are also strong.
@BohnT you have to CC when shimmering isn’t up so you can land the will, but they can’t counter the defile on incap consistently and should struggle to get any reliable offense against you
Stamblade and melee mageblade hard counter stam warden, destro mageblade and DoT builds soft counter it
Stam warden has no native answer for cloak or defile. Since it is so heavily based on healing defiles are particularly effective. Without a purge DoTs are also strong.
@BohnT you have to CC when shimmering isn’t up so you can land the will, but they can’t counter the defile on incap consistently and should struggle to get any reliable offense against you
The issue here is that in order to get your full burst on your enemy you need to remove shimmering and instantly use incap+will afterwards as the warden will know that he has to keep it up all the time. With how you setup your bars the only ranged abilities you'll use to break shimmering on a meele magnb are on the backbar while incap and will are both on the mainbar.
This means the warden has atleast 1 gcd where he can reapply shimmering before you are able to unleash your burst and even if you Land your full burst a heavy armor warden won't be one shotted by will + incap and you can't kill a warden through block with concealed and as you need the cc to hit will you can't break block with fear.
The warden won't be able to kill you either, he may get shalks + dawnbreaker on you but that's also not enough to kill the magnb.
Stamblade and melee mageblade hard counter stam warden, destro mageblade and DoT builds soft counter it
Stam warden has no native answer for cloak or defile. Since it is so heavily based on healing defiles are particularly effective. Without a purge DoTs are also strong.
@BohnT you have to CC when shimmering isn’t up so you can land the will, but they can’t counter the defile on incap consistently and should struggle to get any reliable offense against you
The issue here is that in order to get your full burst on your enemy you need to remove shimmering and instantly use incap+will afterwards as the warden will know that he has to keep it up all the time. With how you setup your bars the only ranged abilities you'll use to break shimmering on a meele magnb are on the backbar while incap and will are both on the mainbar.
This means the warden has atleast 1 gcd where he can reapply shimmering before you are able to unleash your burst and even if you Land your full burst a heavy armor warden won't be one shotted by will + incap and you can't kill a warden through block with concealed and as you need the cc to hit will you can't break block with fear.
The warden won't be able to kill you either, he may get shalks + dawnbreaker on you but that's also not enough to kill the magnb.
@Lexxypwns the magnb can defenitly control the fight but any decent stamwarden can stay alive in a 1v1 with OW builds involved. If we had that matchup in a optimised duel the magnb would defenitly have much better chances to win the fight.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »magblade can't kill the warden due to shimmering.Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
Then you can slot melee abilities. magblade maybe can't faceroll against shimmering, but that warden isn't also going to faceroll the magblade either. Its a fight already favoured for magblade.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »magblade can't kill the warden due to shimmering.Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
Then you can slot melee abilities. magblade maybe can't faceroll against shimmering, but that warden isn't also going to faceroll the magblade either. Its a fight already favoured for magblade.
If that stamwarden is not running dual wield or not using reveal posions.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »magblade can't kill the warden due to shimmering.Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
Then you can slot melee abilities. magblade maybe can't faceroll against shimmering, but that warden isn't also going to faceroll the magblade either. Its a fight already favoured for magblade.
If that stamwarden is not running dual wield or not using reveal posions.
DW stam warden doesn’t have a gap closer and is even easier to kill for NB
Ragnarock41 wrote: »magblade can't kill the warden due to shimmering.Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
Then you can slot melee abilities. magblade maybe can't faceroll against shimmering, but that warden isn't also going to faceroll the magblade either. Its a fight already favoured for magblade.
If that stamwarden is not running dual wield or not using reveal posions.
DW stam warden doesn’t have a gap closer and is even easier to kill for NB
He can have it on backbar but the reality is he doesnt need it that much. Also I wouldnt say it's easier to kill for magnb but magnb definietly is easier to kill for him since steel tornado is uncloakable and undodgable and also servers the role of execute.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »magblade can't kill the warden due to shimmering.Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
Then you can slot melee abilities. magblade maybe can't faceroll against shimmering, but that warden isn't also going to faceroll the magblade either. Its a fight already favoured for magblade.
If that stamwarden is not running dual wield or not using reveal posions.
DW stam warden doesn’t have a gap closer and is even easier to kill for NB
He can have it on backbar but the reality is he doesnt need it that much. Also I wouldnt say it's easier to kill for magnb but magnb definietly is easier to kill for him since steel tornado is uncloakable and undodgable and also servers the role of execute.
Even with full execute scaling and a crit, steel tornado does less damage than a healing ward protects, consider that the mageblade gets a heal upon casting healing ward and will have HoTs rolling it’s not really feasible to consistently beat him without a heal debuff. Particularly when he can kite so effectively.
If the stam warden is running reverb and a gap closer on a dw+SnB build then he either loses shimmering or ice fortress and losing either of those means he’s gonna lose a lot of survivability.
On mageblade I enjoy fighting stam wardens because I know they’ve got to really outplay me
Ragnarock41 wrote: »magblade can't kill the warden due to shimmering.Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
Then you can slot melee abilities. magblade maybe can't faceroll against shimmering, but that warden isn't also going to faceroll the magblade either. Its a fight already favoured for magblade.
If that stamwarden is not running dual wield or not using reveal posions.
DW stam warden doesn’t have a gap closer and is even easier to kill for NB
He can have it on backbar but the reality is he doesnt need it that much. Also I wouldnt say it's easier to kill for magnb but magnb definietly is easier to kill for him since steel tornado is uncloakable and undodgable and also servers the role of execute.
Even with full execute scaling and a crit, steel tornado does less damage than a healing ward protects, consider that the mageblade gets a heal upon casting healing ward and will have HoTs rolling it’s not really feasible to consistently beat him without a heal debuff. Particularly when he can kite so effectively.
If the stam warden is running reverb and a gap closer on a dw+SnB build then he either loses shimmering or ice fortress and losing either of those means he’s gonna lose a lot of survivability.
On mageblade I enjoy fighting stam wardens because I know they’ve got to really outplay me
That is all ok but under 1 big "If' . Healing ward will protect mag nb IF stamden combo wont fire up at full ponential. With perfectly timed SA+cliff racer+DBoS+steel tornado with some luck on crits there will be no time for healing ward. The thing is yes mag nb can kite and survive forever if he decides to play that playstyle but he simply wont get kill on skilled stamden that way if we assume that stamden is prepared to fight mag nb. It's not like slotting shade solves every potential issue mag nb could have. What shade will give You if stamden will use reveal posion+shieldbreaker ? I am talking about poison that have 100% uptime on seeing someone even if he's using cloak. Problem with stamdens is simple there is not many skilled ones , most of them just relies on brainless survivality and copy-pasted builds but that doesnt change a fact good one with prepared setup wouldnt have any issue with killing mag nb or atleast mag nb wouldnt be able to kill him.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
So im pulling the stamblade out the closet then?
What about magplar? I was playing yesterday and was able to squash a few stam wardens with Purifying light>Meteor and a well timed total dark...
thankyourat wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »play a nightblade. they have no natural counter to cloak. Especially against magblades they will suffer.
You can't kill a Stam warden as a magblade if they know what they are doing because of how tanky the class is combined with shimmering shield. As well as in CP PvP a heavy armor Stam warden will just brush off a incap. Melee magblade I feel is actually worse because in melee range you open yourself up to stuns like reverb which can get you caught in a combo as well as having no healing so you will be one-shotted. I guess technically you can keep teleporting on the warden to death and exploit his lack of a gap closer, but you will have the worse time actually killing them. This fight will end with the wardens other 4 warden friends zerging you down lol. I will say though in duels I either forfeit because the warden is turtle mode and I know we will fight forever, or I get a kill I've never lost a duel to a warden with a destro/magblade