Feedback: Mount exclusivity/prestige

Slick_007

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

...literally nothing I told them was inaccurate, and I put it as mildly as possible.

lol, omg if you think thats true. I never said you lied to them or said anything inaccurate. I said you could have phrased it better. Lets look at what you apparently said, in your own words: " No, I answered, just artificial scarcity."

Who the hell answers a question like that? Really? You showed them a clear hatred for how it works answering questions like that. You showed a noob hatred of the game and wonder why they left? 'oh this guys got something cool but he clearly hates the game. maybe its not that good'

If you cant see this is an issue with your attitude and that its your fault they logged, you need to reevaluate a few things.

Mystrius_Archaion

JWKe wrote: »

Exclusivity is what motivates many people to buy things at an exorbitant price. Take for instance diamonds. Blood diamonds mined in Africa are more valued than lab made diamonds. Strange considering man-made diamonds are not only cheaper but better aesthetically as well as structurally than the naturally occurring diamond. At the end of the day it's just how most human minds work folks prefer exclusivity as it sets them apart over others.

1) That is true.

2) That is also a recipe for disaster.

Not just including your "blood diamonds" example, which is horrible how that practice is.
People just don't realize how their "need for exclusivity", need for competition, will always put somebody on "the short end of the stick", which will also be them more often than even they would like.

I actually enjoy these stories in science fiction where they put the rich and powerful in the position of the poor and subjugated. It's all too easy to do so.

Take, for example, the real life economy. Do any of you know that money is actually worthless? You may know that as a common knowledge fact, but has anybody really thought about what it means?
Literally, the only things that have any real value are things you can trade for other things in a direct barter system, usually because they are an end product or they are a material used in an end product. The stock market is just fake play money. It's people buying and selling money with money. Inflation is just "this costs us more money so we need more money from those that pay our cost".
The richest people are not the ones with the most cash. The richest buy goods that they can convert to cash down the road, which appreciate in value because of inflation. But even then, if the currency value plummeted then they would need actual items on hand to trade as they can't pay people to safeguard their material wealth with worthless currency. Even all the gold buying is useless as gold is mostly useless as anything but a currency.


Competition is not essential to life as a human and is instead the way to losing the progress we have made through cooperation.
We're not a competitive species. If we were then we would eat our young like lions do just to avoid the competition and then eat the old to replace them also. Survival of the fittest is a good way to revert to mindless animals. The true fittest cooperate.


TL.DR: The people who want exclusive are not the majority or we wouldn't be where we are, and if they get their way then the game dies for us all.

Minyassa

Absolutely agree. I've never understood the mindset of desirability corresponding with rarity. If something is rare, that just makes it harder to get, it doesn't make it nicer or prettier or cooler or more effective. It just makes it kind of annoying. So many things in this game now instantly turn me off when I see that getting them is basically based on luck or having been here earlier than I ever heard of the game. If something is valuable, it's valuable whether it's rare or not. In the real world, rarity has to do with actual availability geographically or labor-based...this is a video game and availability is literally a series of keystrokes, so it makes no sense to make something impossible to get just so that someone can brag about...luck? Being in the right place at the right time? Catching a 4-day sale? It just makes no sense.

Mystrius_Archaion

DanteYoda wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I've just returned myself after 4 years or so.. and i feel his pain tbh.. I see all the vets with cool stuff and thought i'll check the Crown store..

Nothing there honestly thats even close to what these people running around has.. I also felt like leaving when i found out i'll never get what they have and you know what else things like this does...

I saw this person today with a awesome pet dog cream color with dark patterns all over.. Pretty much the same run down as above.. can't get it anymore crate item from the past..

It makes people like me instantly dislike or even down right hate Zos for these artificial scarcity.. shenanigans. I honestly came back excited but after a week or so i downright hate this company with how they treat people and their crowns store..

I still play but no where near as excited and if a better game pops up i'll probably move on. Sorry but truth..

This is how I feel every time I return to SWTOR. I didn't play constantly and drop endless amounts of money into crates so I don't have anything "cool" nor can I gain access to it.

I personally think games are better when they give everyone options to pick up things they want at any time rather than having exclusives and limited time items. This is coming from someone who owns most of the pre-crate exclusive items in the game, including the Croney Scrib. I would rather others have them than feel "special" because I have something they don't have.

The funny thing is i feel my money isn't as good as others money.. Its not like i wouldn't use their crown store for things i like.. but there is nothing there i like, all the best stuff has been removed to help these "people" feel better about themselves..

Exactly. They seem to "not want our money" if we can't be here 100% of the time(using server resources and bandwidth so costing them money) and spending right that second like we're all super rich.
They want an ideal customer base that can't happen because if we were all super rich then that would be average and nobody would be super rich to be able to afford anything.

They're "eating themselves to death".

Mystrius_Archaion

WhiteNoiseMaker wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

This is how I feel every time I return to SWTOR. I didn't play constantly and drop endless amounts of money into crates so I don't have anything "cool" nor can I gain access to it.

You realize you just missed the last three weeks of a Direct market sale right? Everything rare was available for direct purchase, and they are experimenting with going that way in the Market again, possibly as a regular change. I actually think the SWTOR market is now much friendlier than ZOS's in ESO. It's kind of sad actually that ZOS is getting worse while SWTOR got better.... :-(

I think Disney took a hard look at all their Star Wars properties, and/or they are afraid of Disney doing so, after the Battlefront 2 mess. Disney does not like bad PR and lootboxes are now bad PR.

Mystrius_Archaion

Slick_007 wrote: »

if this is how you phrased it to them, no wonder they were upset. you could have put the same information in a much better way and that guy would probably still be around.

its a great story about how you disappointed someone by the way you dealt with them.

Read your own post. You sound awful negative yourself rather than helpful in explaining how it could have been better or how we could try to prevent it in the future.

Yes, they likely didn't phrase it well, but that doesn't mean that we can always do that. And at the time, maybe they didn't know anything was ever coming back(like limited time houses that still haven't come back with no future plans) which would have made it impossible to put a positive spin on it.

You saw negativity and reacted to it with negativity likely because that is what you wanted to see, while the thread starter's story was just being informative to the person which is neither positive nor negative.

Mystrius_Archaion

KivakWolf wrote: »

OP: That wasn't me, but it might as well have been me. I just started playing ESO a few days ago and while the Karthwolf Charger was not THE reason I was pushed over the edge to buy the game, I can say it was a significant factor. I absolutely love the design and when I, a complete noob, looked up the mounts available in the game I got my information from whatever source I could (because the official site doesn't have it). That source happened to be http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Mount_(Online) which, as of today, still says that the Karthwolf Charger is on sale in the crown store. So after logging in I got my wallet ready to buy and enjoy running around the world on a beautiful mount...... only to be disappointed that the information was old. In fact I came here to the forums searching for Karthwolf in the hopes that maybe, just maybe, there was another way and other people had the same wish.

Now I get a couple things: some mounts are very rare and come from bosses or events past. I've played WoW since it was in Beta and trust me, I get that. But that doesn't mean I like it either... I should have done more research, but I was too excited to play. If it were not for friends currently playing, I don't know how enthusiastic I would be to play ESO after that let down.

I guess what I am saying/hoping for is that they could be attainable at some time through some (more difficult?) method. I know it's a money grab... so why not put it on sale for the first time for cheap, then raise the price real high? Or make it attainable through some difficult means in the game? I'd pay 5x the cost for that mount. So they're missing out on my money because they're going with scarcity rather than offering it to the highest payer. I'd put a tremendous amount of effort into the game to get it too.

Just my 2-cents as a complete noob to the game.

Edit: The suggestion to add cycles to these things sounds like a great idea to me. Even if I had to wait until next August to get the mount, I'd be happy knowing that one day, with patience, I can attain it.

And this is why I'm always saying they should always be available with "limited time discount sales".
Everybody could get what they want, either right that second at full price or when they can afford it on sale or just because they're frugal.

Algraxa

Mount exclusivity/prestige

Prestige? No..... I collect some mounts because I like them for ME. Could care less what anyone ell's thinks. You are all just rude window-dressing in my privet game

Mystrius_Archaion

adriant1978 wrote: »

Heartening to see that so many here seem to be against this kind of artificial scarcity, buy it now or miss out forever mentality.

I also play SWTOR another game where people asking for older rewards and store items to return are routinely bashed on the forum for "ruining their exclusivity" and being "entitled".

Funny how "entitlement" has actually been turned around the wrong way.
They feel "entitled" to being the only people with those items. Everybody else just wants fairness in a system that can be absolutely fair.
Guess what? Everyone is entitled to fairness; if not then we would still have slavery and segregation and all the most horrible atrocities of our history.

Marginis

Algraxa wrote: »

Mount exclusivity/prestige

Prestige? No..... I collect some mounts because I like them for ME. Could care less what anyone ell's thinks. You are all just rude window-dressing in my privet game

How dare you sir! Why, not I, but YOU are window dressing for MY game. I hesitate to think you would consider it the other way around!

XD

Algraxa

Buck up little camper! there is a Gold Star participation medal for everyone...

You get a god star, and you and you.... Not to worry though, even though you are all special and therefore homologous, you are all still unique and special snowflakes

The world is not fair, life is not fair, getting bent about someone who has something you do not is a waste of energy.

Want that special bobble to make your life shiny? then show up, step up and grab it, or shut up.

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Algraxa

Marginis wrote: »

Algraxa wrote: »

Mount exclusivity/prestige

Prestige? No..... I collect some mounts because I like them for ME. Could care less what anyone ell's thinks. You are all just rude window-dressing in my privet game

How dare you sir! Why, not I, but YOU are window dressing for MY game. I hesitate to think you would consider it the other way around!

XD

Clearly you have a tenuous grasp on reality if you feel I am window dressing in YOUR game. Might I suggest you seek a professionals help immediately before that disillusion blossoms into something more serious.

I would hate to think that my window dressing was about to 'loose it'.

You are my entertainment and content, nothing more, but I have become accustomed to you being there, stealing my nodes, standing in front of my writ boxes going through your inventory while I do the important work needed to keep this game running.

Mystrius_Archaion

Algraxa wrote: »

The world is not fair, life is not fair, getting bent about someone who has something you do not is a waste of energy.

Oh boy. It's always so common that people quote this without actually thinking about it.

The world and life are actually fair. There are laws to punish people for crimes and public shame for things that aren't egregious enough for laws(yet) or where the law can't do anything.
The world itself is fair as it sets all our weight based on gravity's 9.8m/s^2 rule.
The whole universe is explainable with mathematical formulas, which explain how the planets rotate around the sun which rotates around the center of the galaxy and how even the smallest protons and electrons in our body behave, and those are all absolutely logical and thus fair.

The only thing that isn't fair is when a person uses their free will to hurt another person, but then who is to say that our own thoughts aren't controlled by some underlying system that can be predicted with a formula.


Also, plenty of people work to make life fair. If they didn't then your father would have eaten you to avoid being replaced by you eating him like lions do.
We're a cooperative species striving for fairness in order to survive. Even viruses don't eat each other.

Marginis

Algraxa wrote: »

Buck up little camper! there is a Gold Star participation medal for everyone...

You get a god star, and you and you.... Not to worry though, even though you are all special and therefore homologous, you are all still unique and special snowflakes

The world is not fair, life is not fair, getting bent about someone who has something you do not is a waste of energy.

Want that special bobble to make your life shiny? then show up, step up and grab it, or shut up.

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Diarrhea.
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Drowsiness.
Fatigue.
Heart issues (palpitations, irregular heartbeats)
Hives.
Nausea and vomiting.
Rash.

My dad always told me that life isn't fair; deal with it (my dad was an a******). My response was always, "what, so you like it that way?" If something isn't fair, I feel the proper response is not to belittle those who want to improve the situation. They're taking the effort to do something the belittlers don't even try to.

OrdoHermetica

Slick_007 wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

...literally nothing I told them was inaccurate, and I put it as mildly as possible.

lol, omg if you think thats true. I never said you lied to them or said anything inaccurate. I said you could have phrased it better. Lets look at what you apparently said, in your own words: " No, I answered, just artificial scarcity."

Who the hell answers a question like that? Really? You showed them a clear hatred for how it works answering questions like that. You showed a noob hatred of the game and wonder why they left? 'oh this guys got something cool but he clearly hates the game. maybe its not that good'

If you cant see this is an issue with your attitude and that its your fault they logged, you need to reevaluate a few things.

It... it is LITERALLY artificial scarcity. That is LITERALLY the only reason they're removed from the store. They are digital goods. Stock doesn't run out.

They could make all Crown Store items purchasable indefinitely. They choose not to. That is, by definition, artificial scarcity. The reason this player can't save up for it is, in fact, because of artificial scarcity. This isn't some great hidden secret; they don't try to disguise the fact. Artificial scarcity is openly part of their business model, and is leveraged for the purposes of exclusivity and prestige.

Here, rather than wandering in and just telling me how clearly it was me who crushed this new player's dreams and not, you know, the mechanic that prevented him from getting a mount he dearly wanted, how would YOU have explained it to them? And how is telling them the truth "hating the game"? If I hated the game, I wouldn't be playing the game. I wouldn't be posting feedback like this. I certainly wouldn't be having this conversation with you.

I want to let you in on a secret: you can be critical of an element of a game and still enjoy it overall. The world isn't binary. It doesn't operate in "everything is terrible" or "everything is perfect." People can - shockingly - have nuance in their opinions. Crazy, I know.

TelvanniWizard

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

...literally nothing I told them was inaccurate, and I put it as mildly as possible.

lol, omg if you think thats true. I never said you lied to them or said anything inaccurate. I said you could have phrased it better. Lets look at what you apparently said, in your own words: " No, I answered, just artificial scarcity."

Who the hell answers a question like that? Really? You showed them a clear hatred for how it works answering questions like that. You showed a noob hatred of the game and wonder why they left? 'oh this guys got something cool but he clearly hates the game. maybe its not that good'

If you cant see this is an issue with your attitude and that its your fault they logged, you need to reevaluate a few things.

It... it is LITERALLY artificial scarcity. That is LITERALLY the only reason they're removed from the store. They are digital goods. Stock doesn't run out.

They could make all Crown Store items purchasable indefinitely. They choose not to. That is, by definition, artificial scarcity. How would YOU have explained it to them?

You are right, it´s artificial scarcity. No other answer would have been more true. Some people here just feel an irresisitble necesity to defend every move ZOS makes, even the shadiest.

Moving on, I´d like to have a full crowns store, where every single item, past and present, is always on sale, for no limited time. Foolish dream, perhaps, but dreaming is still always available for everyone, free of crowns charge.

OrdoHermetica

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

You are right, it´s artificial scarcity. No other answer would have been more true. Some people here just feel an irresisitble necesity to defend every move ZOS makes, even the shadiest.

I mean, I get defending a game you care about. This one included. I actually do it, too, on a fairly regular basis, albeit typically not when it comes to the Crown Store (usually I'm explaining that, no, customer satisfaction surveys are not some nefarious scheme designed to exploit people, and no, ZoS doesn't have it out for you because you said something negative about them in the past). But I am genuinely puzzled by some people's decision to adopt "defend almost everything this company does to the death, no matter what it is" as their raison d'être. Whatever. To each their own, I guess.

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

Moving on, I´d like to have a full crowns store, where every single item, past and present, is always on sale, for no limited time. Foolish dream, perhaps, but dreaming is still always available for everyone, free of crowns charge.

Yeah... a "back catalog" of some sort would be great. Heck, tuck it away in a dusty corner of the Crown Store and charge a small premium to order from it, while giving most of the Crown Store real estate to new releases and the like. But SOME sort of option to directly purchase old Crown Store content would be great.

dodgehopper_ESO

I agree. Crown crates are dumb. Exclusivity is dumb. At the very least everything should be available to come back, and nothing should remain crown exclusive forever (in my view). I think this draws from the fun experience of the game and takes you out of Tamriel and into your wallet... and then you're staring at your wallet thinking that there's no point going back to Tamriel for this. This is the problem with a lot of MMO's, shooters, and standalone games now. These little piecemeal bits that you get charged for with false scarcity in mind is not fun. People miss out on something because of the birth of their first child, taking their medical boards, going overseas as a soldier, peace corps, you name it. In other words there is real life and when people weigh that the cost is too high and they don't get to really choose what they want it makes the value of the game go down in their minds. I think this is the ultimate mistake the industry as a whole is making. I have in my own life almost completely opted out of most films because the quality has gotten so bad in recent years I don't see the point. The writing is terrible and all people seem to know how to do in Hollywood is explosions and more explosions, and I say this as someone who likes a good explosion. In other words they've mostly sucked the value out of the entertainment and there's no longer much quo for my quid. I think the danger all gaming companies are making is to think that they are immune. There are too many products out there. They are all a dime a dozen now and we've played so many games there's nothing truly new (aren't they on Mortal Kombat 11 now? How about the Madden series?). I feel like you as well and I ran into a player recently with a similar response. He was a fella who can't get on much but was very excited about the game. I doubt this guy will be able to ever play huge amounts of hours of ESO but he could have potential to be a regular for years. The Casino mentality of video game developers I think is toxic and that toxicity will drive people out. There's a reason I hate Vegas. I'd much rather go to Mammoth or Tahoe. I suppose some people like the 'big city assault' but many of us live that most days of our life. Getting the marketing assault in your fantasy world is frankly super annoying. I can after all can live in my own daydreams for free, or pick up a book from the library. Its not that hard.

dodgehopper_ESO

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

...literally nothing I told them was inaccurate, and I put it as mildly as possible.

lol, omg if you think thats true. I never said you lied to them or said anything inaccurate. I said you could have phrased it better. Lets look at what you apparently said, in your own words: " No, I answered, just artificial scarcity."

Who the hell answers a question like that? Really? You showed them a clear hatred for how it works answering questions like that. You showed a noob hatred of the game and wonder why they left? 'oh this guys got something cool but he clearly hates the game. maybe its not that good'

If you cant see this is an issue with your attitude and that its your fault they logged, you need to reevaluate a few things.

It... it is LITERALLY artificial scarcity. That is LITERALLY the only reason they're removed from the store. They are digital goods. Stock doesn't run out.

They could make all Crown Store items purchasable indefinitely. They choose not to. That is, by definition, artificial scarcity. The reason this player can't save up for it is, in fact, because of artificial scarcity. This isn't some great hidden secret; they don't try to disguise the fact. Artificial scarcity is openly part of their business model, and is leveraged for the purposes of exclusivity and prestige.

Here, rather than wandering in and just telling me how clearly it was me who crushed this new player's dreams and not, you know, the mechanic that prevented him from getting a mount he dearly wanted, how would YOU have explained it to them? And how is telling them the truth "hating the game"? If I hated the game, I wouldn't be playing the game. I wouldn't be posting feedback like this. I certainly wouldn't be having this conversation with you.

I want to let you in on a secret: you can be critical of an element of a game and still enjoy it overall. The world isn't binary. It doesn't operate in "everything is terrible" or "everything is perfect." People can - shockingly - have nuance in their opinions. Crazy, I know.

I don't think people understand nuance in general anymore. Oddly enough I don't think people understand hyperbole as a rhetorical device very well either. The problem is that speaking with pure literalism is extremely difficult and no one speaks this way. Everyone could potentially be offended by someone's lack of big picture thinking or nitpicking on the minutia until the initial purpose of dialogue is obfuscated. I'm seeing this a lot with people in general. Everyone nowadays is talking at each other and not to each other. In other words there is something really trashy about culture nowadays, and I suspect because culture itself is so artificially designed. This is far too much of a segue from our original topic so I'll stop there. I could illuminate my own feelings on this topic but it would likely get heated and really doesn't stick to the original premise of the OP. /end

Lylith

Algraxa wrote: »

Buck up little camper! there is a Gold Star participation medal for everyone...

You get a god star, and you and you.... Not to worry though, even though you are all special and therefore homologous, you are all still unique and special snowflakes

The world is not fair, life is not fair, getting bent about someone who has something you do not is a waste of energy.

Want that special bobble to make your life shiny? then show up, step up and grab it, or shut up.

THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY BIG PHARMICA, AND THE SIDE EFFECTS THEY PRODUCE.
Diarrhea.
Dizziness.
Drowsiness.
Fatigue.
Heart issues (palpitations, irregular heartbeats)
Hives.
Nausea and vomiting.
Rash.

and Death.

lots of it.

DoctorESO

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

...literally nothing I told them was inaccurate, and I put it as mildly as possible.

lol, omg if you think thats true. I never said you lied to them or said anything inaccurate. I said you could have phrased it better. Lets look at what you apparently said, in your own words: " No, I answered, just artificial scarcity."

Who the hell answers a question like that? Really? You showed them a clear hatred for how it works answering questions like that. You showed a noob hatred of the game and wonder why they left? 'oh this guys got something cool but he clearly hates the game. maybe its not that good'

If you cant see this is an issue with your attitude and that its your fault they logged, you need to reevaluate a few things.

It... it is LITERALLY artificial scarcity. That is LITERALLY the only reason they're removed from the store. They are digital goods. Stock doesn't run out.

I thought there were little workers inside the computer that made each product by hand?

TelvanniWizard

DoctorESO wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

...literally nothing I told them was inaccurate, and I put it as mildly as possible.

lol, omg if you think thats true. I never said you lied to them or said anything inaccurate. I said you could have phrased it better. Lets look at what you apparently said, in your own words: " No, I answered, just artificial scarcity."

Who the hell answers a question like that? Really? You showed them a clear hatred for how it works answering questions like that. You showed a noob hatred of the game and wonder why they left? 'oh this guys got something cool but he clearly hates the game. maybe its not that good'

If you cant see this is an issue with your attitude and that its your fault they logged, you need to reevaluate a few things.

It... it is LITERALLY artificial scarcity. That is LITERALLY the only reason they're removed from the store. They are digital goods. Stock doesn't run out.

I thought there were little workers inside the computer that made each product by hand?

Little argonians

Nightfall12

Truth is limited time runs are hurting sales for some buyers. I don't always have an option to reload my crowns at a moments notice. So i like to keep a supply incase something i really want comes on a limited time run. I have missed a few because they cost 5000 crowns and i only had 4500. But i'm not buying crowns for those weekend sales. But now there may be a new item for the month that i like but because its not Limited time i save my crowns incase something better comes along….and if i can go that long without it, guess what i decide against it. If there weren't so many items coming limited, i might buy more of the monthly new stuff.

Slick_007

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Read your own post. You sound awful negative yourself rather than helpful in explaining how it could have been better or how we could try to prevent it in the future.

Yes, they likely didn't phrase it well, but that doesn't mean that we can always do that. And at the time, maybe they didn't know anything was ever coming back(like limited time houses that still haven't come back with no future plans) which would have made it impossible to put a positive spin on it.

You saw negativity and reacted to it with negativity likely because that is what you wanted to see, while the thread starter's story was just being informative to the person which is neither positive nor negative.

i wasnt trying to be positive. the OP came on here and blamed the game for causing someone to leave, when it wasnt the game, it was the OPs interaction with the player that was the cause. I'll blame ZOS when ZOS are to blame, but this ones entirely on the OP if their post is an accurate representation of what happened.

They 'likely' didnt phrase it well? try definitely. Also, I'm not here to educate you to repeat what i would have said. It needs to come from you, or them, or whoever. If hatred of this game is all you (generally speaking) can come up with when talking to noobs, you shouldnt be here. or at least not interacting with people. Becuase either way the game is making you miserable. or more miserable. Please dont spread it.

Kelces

There are other wolves though, didn't you tell him?

I got mine with the TG expansion, why do people obsess over such things?

Also, as you stated: You don't really know why this person logged of, so what ever...

adriant1978

Slick_007 wrote: »

They 'likely' didnt phrase it well? try definitely. Also, I'm not here to educate you to repeat what i would have said.

So you're happy to offer criticism, but not constructive criticism. Gotcha.

Slick_007

adriant1978 wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

They 'likely' didnt phrase it well? try definitely. Also, I'm not here to educate you to repeat what i would have said.

So you're happy to offer criticism, but not constructive criticism. Gotcha.

nice way to take part of what i said and use it totally out of context. great job!

Marginis

Slick_007 wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Read your own post. You sound awful negative yourself rather than helpful in explaining how it could have been better or how we could try to prevent it in the future.

Yes, they likely didn't phrase it well, but that doesn't mean that we can always do that. And at the time, maybe they didn't know anything was ever coming back(like limited time houses that still haven't come back with no future plans) which would have made it impossible to put a positive spin on it.

You saw negativity and reacted to it with negativity likely because that is what you wanted to see, while the thread starter's story was just being informative to the person which is neither positive nor negative.

i wasnt trying to be positive. the OP came on here and blamed the game for causing someone to leave, when it wasnt the game, it was the OPs interaction with the player that was the cause. I'll blame ZOS when ZOS are to blame, but this ones entirely on the OP if their post is an accurate representation of what happened.

They 'likely' didnt phrase it well? try definitely. Also, I'm not here to educate you to repeat what i would have said. It needs to come from you, or them, or whoever. If hatred of this game is all you (generally speaking) can come up with when talking to noobs, you shouldnt be here. or at least not interacting with people. Becuase either way the game is making you miserable. or more miserable. Please dont spread it.

If you weren't there, you can hardly say with any accuracy what happened for sure. You can guess and infer and surmise, but you cannot know for sure. Immediately considering the OP's claim false, and instead claiming your own perspective the dominant one, can not only be considered insulting, but also logically flawed. This is probably why you are garnering so much negative reaction.

I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, that what you intended was to ask the OP to consider another perspective; another possible explanation for the player's reaction, or perhaps the possibility that there are other factors to consider outside of the one that the OP highlights.

Honestly, the only one that could verify what was the actual case is the OP, even if they have a little bit of personal bias (everyone does).

As far as my personal response goes, I have encountered many people who ask how I got what I have. I almost always respond, and even for someone like myself, who can usually explain the situation gently, the other player was always disheartened when it came to time limited offers that weren't like the senche tiger mount or the beta monkey. With those items, most can understand, okay, that's one of ESO's OGs. With something like, say, the storm senche from crown crates, or my black panther senche, they just get depressed, sad that they can't get something cool like that for apparently no reason. Given, they don't immediately quit the game, but the way time limited items are handled in the very least dampens their enthusiasm for the game, and that is something I don't think anybody wants.

Danikat

Slick_007 wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

...literally nothing I told them was inaccurate, and I put it as mildly as possible.

lol, omg if you think thats true. I never said you lied to them or said anything inaccurate. I said you could have phrased it better. Lets look at what you apparently said, in your own words: " No, I answered, just artificial scarcity."

Who the hell answers a question like that? Really? You showed them a clear hatred for how it works answering questions like that. You showed a noob hatred of the game and wonder why they left? 'oh this guys got something cool but he clearly hates the game. maybe its not that good'

If you cant see this is an issue with your attitude and that its your fault they logged, you need to reevaluate a few things.

Artificial scarcity is the official name for this marketing technique. It's what the people using it, and the people promoting it's use call it, because it's an accurate description.

If you interpret calling it by it's proper name as an expression of hatred for it that suggests to me that you see it as something inherently negative that can only be presented positively by pretending it's something other than what it is.

ghastley

I'd like the gaudy flaming/glowing/ghost/skeletal/etc. ones to be more exclusive, and the normal colour variants to be less so.

I'd like a plain white bear please. But because I wasn't there for the four days in four years that it was available, I can't have one. I have a plain white wolf from a crate, and bought a brown bear. Can't combine them.