First time PVPer: Main things to focus on?

oneshot_onekill

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

Thogard

expect to die a lot and be OK with that.

The #1 ingredient to being good at PvP is Practice.
The #2 ingredient is also practice
The #3 ingredient is experience
and the #4 ingredient is being a nice guy to the people who kill you so that they'll give you tips.

lynog85

Use meta builds. Learn how to survive on your class then learn how to string together burst then just practice a shedload. Dont zerg and dont use snipe. Youll be fine in no time.

oneshot_onekill

Thogard wrote: »

expect to die a lot and be OK with that.

The #1 ingredient to being good at PvP is Practice.
The #2 ingredient is also practice
The #3 ingredient is experience
and the #4 ingredient is being a nice guy to the people who kill you so that they'll give you tips.

I don't plan to be toxic lol

lynog85 wrote: »

Use meta builds. Learn how to survive on your class then learn how to string together burst then just practice a shedload. Dont zerg and dont use snipe. Youll be fine in no time.

By burst you mean chunks of damage? Why are dots bad? And I'm assuming you say don't zerg because it hides weaknesses?

Jeremy

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

oneshot_onekill

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Jeremy

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

oneshot_onekill

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

I should still try and heal though, right? Just not fully rely on it?

Jeremy

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

I should still try and heal though, right? Just not fully rely on it?

If you heal I would try to do it while blocking or after the fight is over - otherwise it's kinda pointless. Because healing on this game in PvP is just too easy to counter IMHO. This isn't like say WoW where your healing spells can actually counter the amount of damage being done to you. It doesn't. You're lucky if it it even breaks even - so ends up just wasting resources while your opponent shreds you.

Thogard

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Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

I should still try and heal though, right? Just not fully rely on it?

Don’t listen to him. He’s brand new and has no clue what he’s talking about.

For Stam classes you want 100% uptime on vigor and Rally / other HoTs

Jeremy

Thogard wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

I should still try and heal though, right? Just not fully rely on it?

Don’t listen to him. He’s brand new and has no clue what he’s talking about.

For Stam classes you want 100% uptime on vigor and Rally / other HoTs

Sorry but I"m not brand new. So that is a lie.

And what I said is true - and he'll learn that the second he walks into Cyrodil on his own so I'm not worried.

But your trolling attempt is noted and dismissed.

Thogard

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

I should still try and heal though, right? Just not fully rely on it?

Don’t listen to him. He’s brand new and has no clue what he’s talking about.

For Stam classes you want 100% uptime on vigor and Rally / other HoTs

Sorry but I"m not brand new. So that is a lie.

And what I said is true - and he'll learn that the second he walks into Cyrodil on his own so I'm not worried.

But your trolling attempt is noted and dismissed.

It’s absolutely not true and you have neither the experience nor exposure to make such assertions. Please stop misleading new players with your misguided, inexperienced, and unsubstantiated “opinions” and let those more experienced and skilled than you answer questions.

Do not misrepresent yourself.

Jeremy

Thogard wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

I should still try and heal though, right? Just not fully rely on it?

Don’t listen to him. He’s brand new and has no clue what he’s talking about.

For Stam classes you want 100% uptime on vigor and Rally / other HoTs

Sorry but I"m not brand new. So that is a lie.

And what I said is true - and he'll learn that the second he walks into Cyrodil on his own so I'm not worried.

But your trolling attempt is noted and dismissed.

It’s absolutely not true and you have neither the experience nor exposure to make such assertions. Please stop misleading new players with your misguided, inexperienced, and unsubstantiated “opinions” and let those more experienced and skilled than you answer questions.

Do not misrepresent yourself.

It absolutely is true and you know nothing about me. You should stick to the topic instead of relentlessly trying to troll me.

And I'm not misleading anyone. I am preparing him for what he is going to discover soon enough for himself.

Thogard

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

I should still try and heal though, right? Just not fully rely on it?

Don’t listen to him. He’s brand new and has no clue what he’s talking about.

For Stam classes you want 100% uptime on vigor and Rally / other HoTs

Sorry but I"m not brand new. So that is a lie.

And what I said is true - and he'll learn that the second he walks into Cyrodil on his own so I'm not worried.

But your trolling attempt is noted and dismissed.

It’s absolutely not true and you have neither the experience nor exposure to make such assertions. Please stop misleading new players with your misguided, inexperienced, and unsubstantiated “opinions” and let those more experienced and skilled than you answer questions.

Do not misrepresent yourself.

It absolutely is true and you know nothing about me. YOu should stick to the topic instead of relentlessly trying to troll me.

And I'm not misleading anyone. I am preparing him for what he is going to discover soon enough for himself.

I’m sure that given the choice between your opinion - with you being the guy who has tried for a week to PvP and just wrote a post titled “PvP on this game is stupid” and the opinion of everyone else, including people who actually play PvP consistently and have track records, streams, and video content showing their ability levels, the OP won’t have to think hard about how much consideration he should give your posts.

We know nothing about you other than what you’ve written. However you can learn quite a lot about me by just reading my signature, watching my videos, or watching my streams. You are trying to hide your identity, whereas my credentials are on full display.

You say it’s impossible to heal through damage yet here is a video of my 4 man teaming up with another four man and taking on 32+ opponents

https://youtube.com/watch?v=pPVGNNUqBMw

Of importance to you would be what my buddy raknarok does in that video, since according to you it isn’t possible.

Jeremy

Thogard wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

I should still try and heal though, right? Just not fully rely on it?

Don’t listen to him. He’s brand new and has no clue what he’s talking about.

For Stam classes you want 100% uptime on vigor and Rally / other HoTs

Sorry but I"m not brand new. So that is a lie.

And what I said is true - and he'll learn that the second he walks into Cyrodil on his own so I'm not worried.

But your trolling attempt is noted and dismissed.

It’s absolutely not true and you have neither the experience nor exposure to make such assertions. Please stop misleading new players with your misguided, inexperienced, and unsubstantiated “opinions” and let those more experienced and skilled than you answer questions.

Do not misrepresent yourself.

It absolutely is true and you know nothing about me. YOu should stick to the topic instead of relentlessly trying to troll me.

And I'm not misleading anyone. I am preparing him for what he is going to discover soon enough for himself.

I’m sure that given the choice between your opinion - with you being the guy who has tried for a week to PvP and just wrote a post titled “PvP on this game is stupid” and the opinion of everyone else, including people who actually play PvP consistently and have track records, streams, and video content showing their ability levels, the OP won’t have to think hard about how much consideration he should give your posts.

Says the guy who seems to think the HoT from vigor is going to keep him alive.

I'm really not interested in feeding your attempt to derail this thread. The OP can take my advice or ignore it - that's up to him. It was a genuine attempt to help him - and more productive than any of your smears aimed at me have been.

Thogard

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

I should still try and heal though, right? Just not fully rely on it?

Don’t listen to him. He’s brand new and has no clue what he’s talking about.

For Stam classes you want 100% uptime on vigor and Rally / other HoTs

Sorry but I"m not brand new. So that is a lie.

And what I said is true - and he'll learn that the second he walks into Cyrodil on his own so I'm not worried.

But your trolling attempt is noted and dismissed.

It’s absolutely not true and you have neither the experience nor exposure to make such assertions. Please stop misleading new players with your misguided, inexperienced, and unsubstantiated “opinions” and let those more experienced and skilled than you answer questions.

Do not misrepresent yourself.

It absolutely is true and you know nothing about me. YOu should stick to the topic instead of relentlessly trying to troll me.

And I'm not misleading anyone. I am preparing him for what he is going to discover soon enough for himself.

I’m sure that given the choice between your opinion - with you being the guy who has tried for a week to PvP and just wrote a post titled “PvP on this game is stupid” and the opinion of everyone else, including people who actually play PvP consistently and have track records, streams, and video content showing their ability levels, the OP won’t have to think hard about how much consideration he should give your posts.

Says the guy who seems to think the HoT from vigor is going to keep him alive.

I'm really not interested in feeding your attempt to derail this thread. The OP can take my advice or ignore it - that's up to him. It was a genuine attempt to help him - and more productive than any of your smears aimed at me have been.

I know you were trying to make a joke, but actually vigor stacks with your teammates’ vigors. So yes, the HoT from vigor will absolutely keep someone alive. That’s why most small-scale groups are biased towards Stam - the scaling of the healing as additional vigors are added.

If you stopped making assertions and started trying to learn, you wouldn’t embarrass yourself as much by writing posts like that.

Jeremy

Thogard wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

Definitely. It's really the only way to effectively defend yourself in Cyrodil. If you try to rely on either healing or regular defenses like resistance or armor you won't like the results.

I should still try and heal though, right? Just not fully rely on it?

Don’t listen to him. He’s brand new and has no clue what he’s talking about.

For Stam classes you want 100% uptime on vigor and Rally / other HoTs

Sorry but I"m not brand new. So that is a lie.

And what I said is true - and he'll learn that the second he walks into Cyrodil on his own so I'm not worried.

But your trolling attempt is noted and dismissed.

It’s absolutely not true and you have neither the experience nor exposure to make such assertions. Please stop misleading new players with your misguided, inexperienced, and unsubstantiated “opinions” and let those more experienced and skilled than you answer questions.

Do not misrepresent yourself.

It absolutely is true and you know nothing about me. YOu should stick to the topic instead of relentlessly trying to troll me.

And I'm not misleading anyone. I am preparing him for what he is going to discover soon enough for himself.

I’m sure that given the choice between your opinion - with you being the guy who has tried for a week to PvP and just wrote a post titled “PvP on this game is stupid” and the opinion of everyone else, including people who actually play PvP consistently and have track records, streams, and video content showing their ability levels, the OP won’t have to think hard about how much consideration he should give your posts.

Says the guy who seems to think the HoT from vigor is going to keep him alive.

I'm really not interested in feeding your attempt to derail this thread. The OP can take my advice or ignore it - that's up to him. It was a genuine attempt to help him - and more productive than any of your smears aimed at me have been.

I know you were trying to make a joke, but actually vigor stacks with your teammates’ vigors. So yes, the HoT from vigor will absolutely keep someone alive. That’s why most small-scale groups are biased towards Stam - the scaling of the healing as additional vigors are added.

If you stopped making assertions and started trying to learn, you wouldn’t embarrass yourself as much by writing posts like that.

Are you still trying to derail with this thread with these lame trolling attempts?

This thread is not about Jeremy or what you think of him.

And the only one embarrassing themselves here is you...

Thogard

OP what server / platform are you on?

If you’re on PC NA I can take about 15 minutes to teach you some core PvP defensive skills.

It’s @thogard in game.

oneshot_onekill

Thogard wrote: »

OP what server / platform are you on?

If you’re on PC NA I can take about 15 minutes to teach you some core PvP defensive skills.

It’s @thogard in game.

No I'm on Xbox not sure if you have one lol

Thogard

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

OP what server / platform are you on?

If you’re on PC NA I can take about 15 minutes to teach you some core PvP defensive skills.

It’s @thogard in game.

No I'm on Xbox not sure if you have one lol

Nope, not for 15 years

Kova

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

OP what server / platform are you on?

If you’re on PC NA I can take about 15 minutes to teach you some core PvP defensive skills.

It’s @thogard in game.

No I'm on Xbox not sure if you have one lol

Hey there! I play on pc but have used a controller since the beginning, so I'm a little closer to your setup. One thing I would say for you personally is that using positioning is super important. The thing that separates good players from bad players is always trying to have an out. You can't kill if you're always dying due to being caught out in an open field or wrapped up in a zerg of players+npc guards. Using a controller exacerbates this issue as it's harder to get stuns off on multiple people when your slowly swiveling with a joystick

Second, and this is going to seem contradictory, but don't be afraid to make big plays. Sometimes the risky "drop a meteor while in the middle of a crowd" pays off immensely. Even being a stealthier class presents fantastic opportunities for getting in the center of a zerg and taking out a healer.

Last bit is, as others have said, having a positive outlook on dying. Even if you get tbagged by an entire group, know that you caused them to get so frustrated they had to make you tea. Every death is long walk back to battle, and that's more than enough time to learn from it.

oneshot_onekill

Thogard wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

OP what server / platform are you on?

If you’re on PC NA I can take about 15 minutes to teach you some core PvP defensive skills.

It’s @thogard in game.

No I'm on Xbox not sure if you have one lol

Nope, not for 15 years

Well I can still take your advice if you have any!

Kova wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

OP what server / platform are you on?

If you’re on PC NA I can take about 15 minutes to teach you some core PvP defensive skills.

It’s @thogard in game.

No I'm on Xbox not sure if you have one lol

Hey there! I play on pc but have used a controller since the beginning, so I'm a little closer to your setup. One thing I would say for you personally is that using positioning is super important. The thing that separates good players from bad players is always trying to have an out. You can't kill if you're always dying due to being caught out in an open field or wrapped up in a zerg of players+npc guards. Using a controller exacerbates this issue as it's harder to get stuns off on multiple people when your slowly swiveling with a joystick

Second, and this is going to seem contradictory, but don't be afraid to make big plays. Sometimes the risky "drop a meteor while in the middle of a crowd" pays off immensely. Even being a stealthier class presents fantastic opportunities for getting in the center of a zerg and taking out a healer.

Last bit is, as others have said, having a positive outlook on dying. Even if you get tbagged by an entire group, know that you caused them to get so frustrated they had to make you tea. Every death is long walk back to battle, and that's more than enough time to learn from it.

What do you mean by an out? If they spot you isn't that it? Like one of you is going to die?

NBrookus

Thogard wrote: »

expect to die a lot and be OK with that.

The #1 ingredient to being good at PvP is Practice.
The #2 ingredient is also practice
The #3 ingredient is experience
and the #4 ingredient is being a nice guy to the people who kill you so that they'll give you tips.

All this. And positioning.

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

This is highly dependant on class and spec. If you play a magicka spec'd character, you'd never wear 5 medium, for example. Light = magicka; medium = stam. Heavy can be viable for both, and I'd recommend it for first starting out. You'll do less damage, but survive longer. Dying in 2 seconds and not knowing why is not very educational. Lasting 10 seconds and knowing why you died is more helpful. (And you will die. A lot.) Look for online pvp-specific builds, in particular ones which show you why those pieces and skills work together, and how to set up damage combos.

Also, don't listen to people who tell you not to wear impen or not to heal. Being able to mitigate (dodge, block, shield, reflect, buffs) and recover from damage (heal, shield, LoS) while dealing damage is essential. Only the largest groups will have so much healing you can ignore taking care of yourself. If you can solo a dungeon or a world boss, or have completed VMA, it's the same principle: you have to DPS, Heal and Tank all in one.

Before heading into open world PVP, trying duelling first to get a feel for fighting where there is no script.

fred4

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Hi, since eso's launch I've dabbled in PVP a bit but have never fully invested myself to try and get good. I've mostly played pve content with some friends of mine. I want to play PvP, but I don't want to go in their to try and play casually, I want to go in their to actually do great (with a more "competitive" mindset). It's fair to say I'm a PvP noob. For someone starting out, what are some tips or essentials you recommend? Here is some info so you guys can answer my question better:

-im around 400 cp
-I play with 2 to 3 other people; the advice you give me can pertain to a group of this size but you can also give me advice for a solo player
-i play and want to play all classes, so the advice you give can pertain to a specific class or in general
-i plan to play cyrodil PvP and the imperial sewers. Maybe battlegrounds, but not sure yet.

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

My advice - you will need to block or dodge roll if you want to be able to defend yourself in PvP on this game. Otherwise you are going to go splat every time they come after you.

Do not believe the nonsense that "impenetrable" will save you in PvP. It won't. In fact, I could barely even tell it did anything. Neither will heals. So make sure what ever build you play that it has a reliable way to keep its guard up.

So I should have some way to maintain one or both of those? Blocking or dodging?

I am with Thogard. Have a look at this recent thread by Jeremy. He's pretty much made up his mind that he does not like PvP:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/408499/pvp-on-this-game-is-stupid#latest

While I haven't read the whole thread, it is evident from his first few posts that he has given up on PvP. What he's basically saying is that you can't tank PvP. He wants to survive, first and foremost. That's understandable, but kind of a beginner's priority. There is a certain amount of tanking you can do against inexperienced groups, but by and large focusing solely on survival will get you killed.

First and foremonst, I'd probably recommend you choose whether you want to play in CP or no CP. You can do both, of course, but your brain tends to get tuned to the mode you're playing in, so your instincts will be all "off" when you switch from one to the other.

Features / Advantages of CP:

(1) Better survivability at high CP, if you build for it. Healing is more effective. Easier to get back to full health.

(2) Crit / crit resistance is more important, while armor is less effective. For example, I would say the Impregnable set, which gives you tons of crit resist, is about as effective as wearing Fortified Brass (flat resist), or Wizard's Riposte (Minor Maim). What they do differs. Impregnable makes enemies less bursty and makes it harder for them to execute you. However in no CP, I think Fortified Brass and Riposte work way better, and in CP it's a tossup between those sets, in solo play.

(3) Shields (Harness Magicka, Healing Ward, sorc shield) are more effective in CP. You might even say "they actually work".

(4) Imperial City Tel Var farming. Anything to do with NPCs is way easier in CP. You do about 50% more damage and your defenses are better. This means, if you want to farm Tel Var - which means killing the bosses in IC, preferably solo - it is way easier in CP. This has lead to IC being quite dead in no CP.

Features / Advantages of no CP:

(1) People die easier, while at the same time there is less burst. Thus you may paradoxically have a little more time to react, but you will find it harder to heal. As a magicka class, stamina sustain - already tight in CP - becomes a real issue, e.g. for breaking free and the occasional dodge roll. Siege does more damage to you, and DOTs are harder to heal through. Proc sets overperform in no CP. Armor is more effective, crit resist is less needed.

(2) Battlegrounds are currently no CP.

For solo play, I think there are two class choices: Nightblade and sorcerer. This is because both of these classes offer you an escape mechanism. Nightblades have cloak, whereas sorcs can streak away. The latter can string enemies out to where they become manageable. Sorcs can also effectively use invisibility potions, once they've gained some distance.

The classes I have experience with are stam DK, NBs (both types), magplar, magden, and a little bit of sorc. People rate stamden highly these days - even for solo play - but I'm not sure what that's based on, other than their burst / kill potential. I find wardens a bit one-dimensional to play. I am guessing their top reputation comes from top players harnessing their kill potential to the full. I'm not sure they would be the best for beginners, if you want to solo.

For Cyro gameplay, ranged classes are easier to play in general. This is where bow builds and ranged magicka builds come in, as you can shoot from the top of a keep, or you can toe the line within your friendly zerg without having to engage enemies in melee and risk being focused.

Snipe builds are disparaged by some of the player base. They can be annoyingly effective. On the other hand, many snipers don't learn how to duel and are easy prey when you manage to engage them in a close fight.

For group play, things change considerably. Templar and warden are both fine choices. Both bring AOE attacks to the table, templar with Sweeps / Jabs, warden with Shalks. Mag DKs have a place with locking people down and being very annoying. Stam DKs currently appear to be outshone by stamdens on all counts.

So let's break things down a bit in terms of gameplay:

Burst: If you want to kill a player one on one, you need burst, especially in CP. This means you have to string together several attacks to happen very quickly and take your opponent out from, say, 60% of their health. One of the principal ways of achieving this are attacks that have a delay. This is the magsorc archetype, who typically does something like:

Haunting Curse
Mage's Wrath (the sorc execute, which only activates if the target falls to low health within the next 4 seconds)
Meteor and/or Crysal Fragments
Flame Reach or Streak for the stun while Curse and Meteor hit together, and Wrath and Implosion passive activates

I couldn't say the exact order in which to cast these skills, but when the sorc does it right, they basically land together at the same time, while the enemy is also stunned and forced to break free, with their defenses down. That's what burst is. The stamden variation goes something like:

Subterranean Assault
Cutting Dive
Dawnbreaker of Smiting or Dizzying Swing (arriving with Subterranean and Cutting Dive, and providing CC to for execute)
Executioner / Reverse Slice

Stamblades may do something like:

Ambush (gives them Empower for 20% more damage on:)
Incap Strike (CCs, defiles healing, 20% more damage for 6 seconds)
Suprise Attack
Execute (Killer's Blade / Executioner)

And so on. You either have to work with skills that have a delay or that provide strong DOT pressure. You will typically need an ultimate or other other strong skill (Merciless Resolve) to hit at the same time as your DOTs and delayed attacks. You may work with a proc, such as Selene, which you hope goes off at the same time. You may simply push your crit rate, so that it's more likely you get a succession of crits. You will need some form of CC to deal with experienced players. Among the best ones are NB Fear and DK Fossilize, since they go through block.

Healing: Contrary to what Jeremy may say, healing is very important. Your character can feel as tanky by having good healing than by using shields or having high resistances. The class with the strongest and easiest to access instant heal is still templar (Honor the Dead), however I found that somewhat hard to get used to. A big heal is mainly an emergency measure and typically either expensive or not spammable (Rally). I find heals over time the most useful, and Vigor still the most outstanding healing skill. It is relatively short, but relatively strong, and it lets you keep fighting while it ticks. Your healing options are:

Vigor. The staple of every stamina PvP build. Always keep it up.

Healing Ward. The staple of many magicka PvP builds. Unlike Vigor, this is reactive, for emergency use. Can go to another player, which is a double edged sword.

Honor the Dead. Templar is the only class I don't use Healing Ward on, cause I use Dampen Magic and this.

Rally. Another staple for stamina builds, but it has strong competition from the other morph, Forward Momentum, a personal favorite.

Troll King. Works well with certain races (Nord, Orc, Khajiit) and classes (Nightblade) that buff health regen. It's one way to go, if you prefer Forward Momentum over Rally. Does not work well with vampires though.

Light's Champion. Can be good in a group. In solo play it's for emergency use. Same with the warden tree ulti. People complain about these ultis being so cheap, but in reality they compete with your offensive ultis. You really need to use your offensive ultis in preference to a healing ulti, if you can.

NB Siphoning Attacks and certain warden skills heal from light attacks and have other benefits. Every warden animal skill also heals you from a passive.

Living Trellis both offsets incoming damage with a heal, and is also a decent burst heal that you can spam. I find this the best magden healing skill for solo PvP.

Absorb Magic (1H+S) is outstanding for tanks with high health. DK Green Dragon Blood also scales with health, but is a bit meh due to high cost and how it scales.

Mutagen / Rapid Regeneration is a bit meh, I think.

Vampires have strong healing skills, but I'm not an expert on those.

Phew. I could go on and on, but I think I'm going to leave it at this for now.

CompM4s

Healing and impen are both a neccesity. Always have some sort of self heal, dont rely on healers alone. @fred4 has alot of good points, don't take advice from negative people who clearly hasn't had much success in pvp. Anyone telling you to not heal or have impen must want you to lose.

fred4

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

OP what server / platform are you on?

If you’re on PC NA I can take about 15 minutes to teach you some core PvP defensive skills.

It’s @thogard in game.

No I'm on Xbox not sure if you have one lol

Nope, not for 15 years

Well I can still take your advice if you have any!

Kova wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

OP what server / platform are you on?

If you’re on PC NA I can take about 15 minutes to teach you some core PvP defensive skills.

It’s @thogard in game.

No I'm on Xbox not sure if you have one lol

Hey there! I play on pc but have used a controller since the beginning, so I'm a little closer to your setup. One thing I would say for you personally is that using positioning is super important. The thing that separates good players from bad players is always trying to have an out. You can't kill if you're always dying due to being caught out in an open field or wrapped up in a zerg of players+npc guards. Using a controller exacerbates this issue as it's harder to get stuns off on multiple people when your slowly swiveling with a joystick

Second, and this is going to seem contradictory, but don't be afraid to make big plays. Sometimes the risky "drop a meteor while in the middle of a crowd" pays off immensely. Even being a stealthier class presents fantastic opportunities for getting in the center of a zerg and taking out a healer.

Last bit is, as others have said, having a positive outlook on dying. Even if you get tbagged by an entire group, know that you caused them to get so frustrated they had to make you tea. Every death is long walk back to battle, and that's more than enough time to learn from it.

What do you mean by an out? If they spot you isn't that it? Like one of you is going to die?

What he means is, be aware of your surroundings and plan for what you will do when the enemy zerg arrives. If you are truly playing solo, stay away from open fields. You shouldn't be there unless you are a perma-cloaking NB. Concentrate on the resources. Be sure to be in the vicinity of a tower, rock, crevice, building, or in Imperial City, so you can head for obstacles and people cannot hit you, due to line-of sight. If you have the stamina, dodge roll, and you cannot be hit for about 1 second. If you are an Eternal Hunt wearing stamblade, you'll leave a rune behind for others to trip over, as you head for safety. Use Mist Form as a vamp. Have a look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luvtKotfGPQ

It's not over till it's over. I don't play vampire for role-playing reasons, and I don't really play sorc. As a magblade what often gets me out of being focused is throwing all my defensive skills at it, as follows:

Resto Ult and/or Shield and/or Healing Ward
Forward Momentum
Immovability Potion
Cloak spam

When I have all those skills available / not on cooldown, I've walked out of 2 simultaneous Meteors and into Cloak. You can't be stunned or snared. You don't stand around in the Meteor. As a nightblade, what will more likely kill me is Detection potions or being marked. NB also has the option to reposition with Shadow Image.

Your instinct of saying it's kill or be killed is not wrong, by the way. It's how I feel when I play stamblade, since stamblade can't sustain cloak and moves so much slower in cloak, whereas magblade can get a speed buff from Concealed Weapon. Many stamblades are built to be really squishy, but they gain the damage to make "kill or be killed" work for them.

I have given up on trying to play magplar or magden solo. Like you say, they can't escape, and the only choice is to fight. But then, I am not at the level of Kristofer ESO in the above video. I also do not want to play vampire for RP reasons, and it seems that many players rely on Mist Form to 1vX on these other classes.

oneshot_onekill

NBrookus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

expect to die a lot and be OK with that.

The #1 ingredient to being good at PvP is Practice.
The #2 ingredient is also practice
The #3 ingredient is experience
and the #4 ingredient is being a nice guy to the people who kill you so that they'll give you tips.

All this. And positioning.

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Any advice on what armor to use (heavy vs med vs light), skills, tactics, stat requirements, etc. are welcome!

This is highly dependant on class and spec. If you play a magicka spec'd character, you'd never wear 5 medium, for example. Light = magicka; medium = stam. Heavy can be viable for both, and I'd recommend it for first starting out. You'll do less damage, but survive longer. Dying in 2 seconds and not knowing why is not very educational. Lasting 10 seconds and knowing why you died is more helpful. (And you will die. A lot.) Look for online pvp-specific builds, in particular ones which show you why those pieces and skills work together, and how to set up damage combos.

Also, don't listen to people who tell you not to wear impen or not to heal. Being able to mitigate (dodge, block, shield, reflect, buffs) and recover from damage (heal, shield, LoS) while dealing damage is essential. Only the largest groups will have so much healing you can ignore taking care of yourself. If you can solo a dungeon or a world boss, or have completed VMA, it's the same principle: you have to DPS, Heal and Tank all in one.

Before heading into open world PVP, trying duelling first to get a feel for fighting where there is no script.

How much does using heavy armor as a dps effect damage? Is it a lot? And would I need to use full impen gear?

fred4 wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

OP what server / platform are you on?

If you’re on PC NA I can take about 15 minutes to teach you some core PvP defensive skills.

It’s @thogard in game.

No I'm on Xbox not sure if you have one lol

Nope, not for 15 years

Well I can still take your advice if you have any!

Kova wrote: »

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

OP what server / platform are you on?

If you’re on PC NA I can take about 15 minutes to teach you some core PvP defensive skills.

It’s @thogard in game.

No I'm on Xbox not sure if you have one lol

Hey there! I play on pc but have used a controller since the beginning, so I'm a little closer to your setup. One thing I would say for you personally is that using positioning is super important. The thing that separates good players from bad players is always trying to have an out. You can't kill if you're always dying due to being caught out in an open field or wrapped up in a zerg of players+npc guards. Using a controller exacerbates this issue as it's harder to get stuns off on multiple people when your slowly swiveling with a joystick

Second, and this is going to seem contradictory, but don't be afraid to make big plays. Sometimes the risky "drop a meteor while in the middle of a crowd" pays off immensely. Even being a stealthier class presents fantastic opportunities for getting in the center of a zerg and taking out a healer.

Last bit is, as others have said, having a positive outlook on dying. Even if you get tbagged by an entire group, know that you caused them to get so frustrated they had to make you tea. Every death is long walk back to battle, and that's more than enough time to learn from it.

What do you mean by an out? If they spot you isn't that it? Like one of you is going to die?

What he means is, be aware of your surroundings and plan for what you will do when the enemy zerg arrives. If you are truly playing solo, stay away from open fields. You shouldn't be there unless you are a perma-cloaking NB. Concentrate on the resources. Be sure to be in the vicinity of a tower, rock, crevice, building, or in Imperial City, so you can head for obstacles and people cannot hit you, due to line-of sight. If you have the stamina, dodge roll, and you cannot be hit for about 1 second. If you are an Eternal Hunt wearing stamblade, you'll leave a rune behind for others to trip over, as you head for safety. Use Mist Form as a vamp. Have a look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luvtKotfGPQ

It's not over till it's over. I don't play vampire for role-playing reasons, and I don't really play sorc. As a magblade what often gets me out of being focused is throwing all my defensive skills at it, as follows:

Resto Ult and/or Shield and/or Healing Ward
Forward Momentum
Immovability Potion
Cloak spam

When I have all those skills available / not on cooldown, I've walked out of 2 simultaneous Meteors and into Cloak. You can't be stunned or snared. You don't stand around in the Meteor. As a nightblade, what will more likely kill me is Detection potions or being marked. NB also has the option to reposition with Shadow Image.

Your instinct of saying it's kill or be killed is not wrong, by the way. It's how I feel when I play stamblade, since stamblade can't sustain cloak and moves so much slower in cloak, whereas magblade can get a speed buff from Concealed Weapon. Many stamblades are built to be really squishy, but they gain the damage to make "kill or be killed" work for them.

I have given up on trying to play magplar or magden solo. Like you say, they can't escape, and the only choice is to fight. But then, I am not at the level of Kristofer ESO in the above video. I also do not want to play vampire for RP reasons, and it seems that many players rely on Mist Form to 1vX on these other classes.

Damn man thanks for all the info! Do you play on Xbox? I would almost always want to do CP PVP. and a lot of Imperial as well. The classes I feel like id mostly want to try in PvP are sorcs, dks, and Templars. Of those three which do you think I should try first? Also, I seem to gravitate towards stamina builds as they feel more fun.

Also, about half the time id be playing with a couple other people.

Is a 2h/bow combo good for pvp?

Thogard

It’s a good combo but it’s not an easy combo. It’s strong on stamblade and Stam sorc but you have to be really really good at LoS and other dmg mitigation techniques to pull it off. I wouldn’t recommend it for a first build.

fred4

NBrookus wrote: »

Heavy can be viable for both, and I'd recommend it for first starting out.

I'm not sure I agree. If you are a magicka character, that means you will miss out on Harness Magicka / Dampen Magic. Using shields is an important playstyle that you cannot explore in heavy. Your builds will take a different direction as a result. This is not to say playing heavy / no shields is worse than playing shields. Being used to the latter, I just miss the hard damage counter that shields provide, when I don't have them.

This is going to be a personal viewpoint, but I don't like heavy armor. I don't like how your sustain is tied to being attacked. I don't like it's slowness, compared to medium armor builds that increase your sprinting speed. I don't like that it doesn't help with sustain for cloak, when compared to light armor. I don't like the low crit. I do realise that, by all accounts, heavy armor may be the best for 1vXing. It depends what your priority is, I guess.

In terms of sheer tankiness, my stam DK is astonishingly tanky on account of being a Nord and having decent healing in the build. Since I use Shuffle, she is medium. Her tankier option is Fortified Brass, putting resistances at heavy armor levels, but even without that she feels way tankier than my stamblade, for example. So I'd say it depends very much on class and race how much tankiness you need / want from your armor.

fred4

oneshot_onekill wrote: »

Damn man thanks for all the info! Do you play on Xbox?

PC EU.

I would almost always want to do CP PVP. and a lot of Imperial as well.

That's what I do.

The classes I feel like id mostly want to try in PvP are sorcs.

Stamsorcs are basically the kings of speed. Many people roll orcs for the additional speed buff. It's not something I play, but there are some good ones who 1vX on PC EU. As I understand them, they have few stamina class abilities, but the ones they do have are really good:

Hurricane is the bane of nightblades. You will have less trouble with them than other classes, since you will tend to expose them all the time.

Dark Deal converts magicka to stamina and lets you get away with running low regen, and thus increase your damage stats.

You have Streak, like any sorc, of course.

I hate being killed by the sorc Implosion passive. I found that quite noticeable when I duelled with one a long time ago. Sometimes opponents would just die.

Crit Surge heals you from crits. I heard that stamsorcs have bad healing and that some use Troll King. I have come across some players, though, who seemed to have really good healing. One idea is to push crit chance, so you make the most out of Crit Surge, but you'd better take advice from someone who currently plays the class.

Of those three which do you think I should try first?

My DK was my first character. Sadly, while I love her, I'll probably recommend stamsorc or stamplar, just from what I read in the forums these days. DK basically jumps people with Take Flight and tries to execute them afterwards. They have DOTs, sure, but they lack that additional burst skill, like the templar's Power of the Light, and their damage output with the same (weapon) skills will tend to be lower than on a stamsorc or stamplar, due to passives. At least that's what I've found in the past.

DK skills that I love include Dragonfire Scale - the reflect - even though it's been nerfed so much, and Fossilize, the CC which is great both offensively and to take the pressure off you. I also miss the ulti resource return on other classes whenever I play DK for a while. You can maybe tell that my stam DK has a fair bit of mag regen. You need it for wings.

I don't really know stamplars. Deltia may be your best source on templars, since I think he enjoys playing them the most.

fred4

How much does using heavy armor as a dps effect damage?

That is a hard question. You will have less crit. You will want to have 35% to 50% crit in CP PvP. At the end of the day you can get the same result with any combination of sets. For example on my magplar I currently wear:

2x Pirate Skeleton
5x Wizard's Riposte
5x Skooma Smuggler (I love speed buffs)

My friend is wearing:

2x Skoria
5x Heavy Armor (I forget which set; may have been Seducer)
5x Other

The end result was very similar. We duelled. We felt equally tanky and offensive. Our skill tooltips were very close. His were slightly smaller, and he had less crit, but he used Skoria to make up for it.

As a heavy armor user you are more likely to want a crit potion or Expert Hunter. In terms of base damage, many heavy armor sets (7th Legion, Truth, Ravager, Fury) offer weapon damage buffs that make up the difference with medium under certain conditions.

For stamplar, I believe Ravager is a good choice, but that set only procs well for stamplars with Jabs.

And would I need to use full impen gear?

Err, yeah! Duh! <Insert about 10 more expletives here>. Impen should be your default gear choice, and you should aim for at least 2K impen in total. I've had 4.5K impen, and you can still feel the difference. 4.5K gives you about 68% crit mitigation, which many nightblades will comfortably exceed. I don't particularly recommend pushing impen that high, but it is not wasted, and there is no cap.

The other useful traits for a stam character are Well-Fitted and Sturdy. It depends on playstyle, but even people like Kristofer ESO, who roll dodges a lot, still uses half Impen and makes up the rest with CP.