Another call to nerf Zaan

TheValar85

Crixus8000 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

Nemeliom wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

@Ender1310

I get what your saying, and it's good advice but still incorrect when it comes to the issue of zaan. I can survive zaan, in 1v1 I can go defensive and they won't kill me. It's not about building to survive it, being able to survive something is NOT countering it. in 1vx or outnumbered fights you will not survive that much pressure when a zaan is added into the mix.


My main point that I keep saying is that zaan should not ignore block and los. Other beam attacks do very high damage, but can be blcoked to help absorb some damage or you can use an object to break line of sight, they are both counters, mainly using los.

Zaan basically ignores it's counters, that is not good skillful gameplay, it's basically someone just taking 20k+ dmg from it and just being forced to turtle up, nothing else in the entire game does this, it is the hardest hitting thing in the entire game and has 0 counters, that is not good balance.

Since you posted this I tried zaan again. Believe me, it doesn't go through walls or trees, you can counter it in a sec by moving fast on one direction (opposite from player). It's counter really easy, and I'm a dk with talons and petrify.
Of course I can still kill many players, but so can they kill me.

What is more balanced, for Xv1 to kill that one? Or 1vX killing and survinvg the X?

I have never, ever broke zaan beam by moving behined an object, every time zaan is on me, I instantly go to los and the beam goes through walls all the time and does full dmg. And no you can't just zoom in one direction because unless the user has disabled movement nothing is stopping them from just following you, it's pretty simple. And of course snares exist or they can just cc when it procs. It should be blockable and break when an object is breaking line of sight. No idea why it ignores the 2 things that should help counter it.

okay so it hase been clarified you cant play as a stam sorc whiel you ahev anresnal of fast moving out of the 8 meter range and here now you call for nerf.

It is interesting to see how many nerf waves hase already been done cos people simply dont know what skils tehir class have lol and tehy call for nerf. nice how about play withs kyrim where you can be in god mode all the time and stop runing an mmorpg with these nosnense excuses?

Lol yeah my 10% move speed makes me stop time because I move so quick, can't beleive I didn't use that mega, super speed to fly across the map when zaan is hitting me through walls and trees. I Have tried all to counter zaan, I tried streak, I did 2 in a row and it was still hitting me, 3 streaks on stamsorc is not going to work lol. I tried speed, and just get cc'd or they just follow me, because you know everyone can move too right ? and like I said about a million times, I tried using los and block, they both don't do a damn thing.

hm so instead of asking a nerf wave how about to sugegst ZOS to allow LOSING and fix losing? wich shoudln't be a problem after all every mmo have that.

Crixus8000

Nemeliom wrote: »

Counters:

Sorc: streak, hurricane sprint.


I will try recording a duel with someone and use both walls and trees.

Like I said I used streak twice and was still getting hit from zaan. 3 streaks to escape one set on a STAM sorc ? yeah ok....

and no hurricane gives 10% speed how is that a counter ? and again sprint ? they can sprint too...

EDIT: I just want it to be affected by the same things as other beams, block and los. Unless it's just my game bugged that doesn't allow me to los it but it never has.

Crixus8000

TheValar85 wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

Nemeliom wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

@Ender1310

I get what your saying, and it's good advice but still incorrect when it comes to the issue of zaan. I can survive zaan, in 1v1 I can go defensive and they won't kill me. It's not about building to survive it, being able to survive something is NOT countering it. in 1vx or outnumbered fights you will not survive that much pressure when a zaan is added into the mix.


My main point that I keep saying is that zaan should not ignore block and los. Other beam attacks do very high damage, but can be blcoked to help absorb some damage or you can use an object to break line of sight, they are both counters, mainly using los.

Zaan basically ignores it's counters, that is not good skillful gameplay, it's basically someone just taking 20k+ dmg from it and just being forced to turtle up, nothing else in the entire game does this, it is the hardest hitting thing in the entire game and has 0 counters, that is not good balance.

Since you posted this I tried zaan again. Believe me, it doesn't go through walls or trees, you can counter it in a sec by moving fast on one direction (opposite from player). It's counter really easy, and I'm a dk with talons and petrify.
Of course I can still kill many players, but so can they kill me.

What is more balanced, for Xv1 to kill that one? Or 1vX killing and survinvg the X?

I have never, ever broke zaan beam by moving behined an object, every time zaan is on me, I instantly go to los and the beam goes through walls all the time and does full dmg. And no you can't just zoom in one direction because unless the user has disabled movement nothing is stopping them from just following you, it's pretty simple. And of course snares exist or they can just cc when it procs. It should be blockable and break when an object is breaking line of sight. No idea why it ignores the 2 things that should help counter it.

okay so it hase been clarified you cant play as a stam sorc whiel you ahev anresnal of fast moving out of the 8 meter range and here now you call for nerf.

It is interesting to see how many nerf waves hase already been done cos people simply dont know what skils tehir class have lol and tehy call for nerf. nice how about play withs kyrim where you can be in god mode all the time and stop runing an mmorpg with these nosnense excuses?

Lol yeah my 10% move speed makes me stop time because I move so quick, can't beleive I didn't use that mega, super speed to fly across the map when zaan is hitting me through walls and trees. I Have tried all to counter zaan, I tried streak, I did 2 in a row and it was still hitting me, 3 streaks on stamsorc is not going to work lol. I tried speed, and just get cc'd or they just follow me, because you know everyone can move too right ? and like I said about a million times, I tried using los and block, they both don't do a damn thing.

hm so instead of asking a nerf wave how about to sugegst ZOS to allow LOSING and fix losing? wich shoudln't be a problem after all every mmo have that.

I specifically said I want it to be los and/or blockable. I never asked for a nerf. I would be happy with los first to see how that goes.

Nemeliom

No one will believe you unless you post a gameplay.
I use zaan and people easily run away, los, cloak, streak. You can't say they don't work. I'm starting to call bs unless you upload your gameplay.
People won't take into account if you have lag.

Crixus8000

Nemeliom wrote: »

No one will believe you unless you post a gameplay.
I use zaan and people easily run away, los, cloak, streak. You can't say they don't work. I'm starting to call bs unless you upload your gameplay.
People won't take into account if you have lag.

How can they easily run though, are you not able to move ? Nothing is stopping the user from running after me, making us pretty much the same distance apart so zaan will stay active. I rarely outrun zaan users and when I do it's because they are too busy focusing on something else to chase me. Any decen't player will just cc you or chase you.

But anyway I don't care if running will sometimes work, I am talking about the fact that block and los do not work, in my experience 100% of the time.

Bosov

I love Zaan when its lagging (which the game does "every once in a while" and i just see my health melt away. Those invis Zaanbeams... lovely!

Flame_of_Hades

guys, it does not matter if you can/cant counter this set.

the problem, is that this set is the highest damage one can possibly attain without the use of an ultimate.

take out the 50% increased damage every tick, and increase the base damage (slightly). then it might be balanced.

TheValar85

OMG you guys are so over reacting the ZAAn you act like it is a set procing 100% chance.
This is BS.

Crixus8000

TheValar85 wrote: »

OMG you guys are so over reacting the ZAAn you act like it is a set procing 100% chance.
This is BS.

Proc chance has nothign to do with it lol. Not that it's even hard to proc but again it needs viable skill based counters other than just soaking up the 20k+ damage.

Ender1310

Crixus8000 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

OMG you guys are so over reacting the ZAAn you act like it is a set procing 100% chance.
This is BS.

Proc chance has nothign to do with it lol. Not that it's even hard to proc but again it needs viable skill based counters other than just soaking up the 20k+ damage.

Just played a Zaan's user in one of the worst BG's I have played lolz. Mag sorcs were eating me up. So this guy must have had elfbane on because that Zaan's proc was extra long. I didn't have a problem soaking up zaans. Now either he or someone else went right into radiant destruction lolz that and another dude beating on my and I caved. But again I ate the Zaans beam got me down to maybe half health. If I would have had a health pot loaded maybe I could of stood a chance. But really i was just outnumbered I should have died.
Whew mag sorcs back? So many sorcs so much pew pew.

TheValar85

Ender1310 wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

OMG you guys are so over reacting the ZAAn you act like it is a set procing 100% chance.
This is BS.

Proc chance has nothign to do with it lol. Not that it's even hard to proc but again it needs viable skill based counters other than just soaking up the 20k+ damage.

Just played a Zaan's user in one of the worst BG's I have played lolz. Mag sorcs were eating me up. So this guy must have had elfbane on because that Zaan's proc was extra long. I didn't have a problem soaking up zaans. Now either he or someone else went right into radiant destruction lolz that and another dude beating on my and I caved. But again I ate the Zaans beam got me down to maybe half health. If I would have had a health pot loaded maybe I could of stood a chance. But really i was just outnumbered I should have died.
Whew mag sorcs back? So many sorcs so much pew pew.

yeah a lot of sorc is pew pewing cos tehy are mad at ZOS cos of teh nerfmire. and tehy realeasing tehir fustration on the other palyers XD