Speedy, invisible farmers....or are they bots/cheaters?

Cavedog

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

@Cavedog
As i said above, it is lightning form Sorc ability. It makes you completely transparent but an outline of your body. It grants expedition, major or minor based on the morph i believe.



Looks something like this.

I've been seeing if I can do the same thing they are doing. They are not using that skill. They are using the essence of kollopi costume.

Cavedog

Jhalin wrote: »

The disguise makes you invisible to trash, which disable your ability to harvest nodes when they hit you.

why all the butthurt over some people being smart about their harvesting?

They are doing other things too that I haven't discussed. .....behavior that warranted them being reported.

And no, the disguise does not make you invisible to trash mobs or anything else. You still aggro monsters same with and without costume.

SydneyGrey

Cavedog wrote: »

....and I guess the last question is, why would people bother to gather and use "essence of Kollopi" when it's a one time use item that doesn't do anything other than make you hard to see?.....if they weren't up to something nefarious?
I feel like these guys ARE cheating and this is evidence that they just don't want to get caught. The 'invisibility' that essence of Kollopi doesn't do anything other than make you hard to see.

Some people use it for role play reasons, or just for fun.
I was using it a couple of days ago to make my character ghostlike, because I bought that ghost horse and it looks awesome when she's mounted on the ghost horse. It looks like a ghostly rider is running by. I wasn't harvesting anything, though.
It's possible that botters discovered that they get reported less when they put the kollopi essence on their characters, because fewer people see them.

Cavedog

Jaimeh wrote: »

The perma-speed is from a set bonus, and I think the invisibility you mention is from a costume that makes one's character transparent. I've seen farmers in Craglorn use it as well, though I never understood why. Is It so that you don't see them going for a node so you take your sweet time, only to have it swooped under your nose?

Jhalin wrote: »

The disguise makes you invisible to trash, which disable your ability to harvest nodes when they hit you.

Nice to know it makes you not aggro mobs, I think I might have it somewhere, going to try it out next time I'm farming

You still aggro monsters same with costume on and off. There is no difference, despite a claim from a poster above.

I can now duplicate what these guys are doing exactly.....and there is a reason they do not reply to whispers.

SydneyGrey

Jhalin wrote: »

The disguise makes you invisible to trash, which disable your ability to harvest nodes when they hit you.
why all the butthurt over some people being smart about their harvesting?

That doesn't work outside of that one specific area where you do the kollopi essence quest, though. Outside that area, mobs see you just fine, and attack as normal, even though you still have kollopi essence equiped.

Grendel_at_ESO

Maybe they just like that disguise?

raj72616a

maybe they want to lessen the chance of getting interrupted by mudball when openning chest?

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Fiords Legacy armor set

(5 items) Reduces the cost and increases the Movement Speed bonus of Sprint by 15%

Jailbreaker armor Set

(5 items) Gain Minor Expedition at all times, increasing your Movement Speed by 10%.

there are also armor sets you can build and make that add speed as well.

there are also skill people can use like rapids for example that increase your speeds.

but there is a speed cap that is set inplace so once you hit that speed cap you cannot go faster.

i hope one day the speed cap will be removed and we can get faster speeds not only in running but also in sneak for everyone.

Dear Zenimax,
please just make it so that our speeds are capped ONLY when carrying a scroll

this way we can have REALLY FAST sneak and running speeds that is not causing any trouble at all and allowing us our enjoyment of fast speeds.
please do this:
just make it so when we pick up a scroll we have a Speed CAP and when we put scroll down that Speed CAP is removed and we can speed again.
please do this


hopefully i helped you understand why some people look to be moving really fast.

clearly you were not here at launch...here is how it was...
It was a long dark raining night in cyrodill...but it wasn't night and it wasn't raining...more like a sunny day...where vampires could stack dark stalker+maneuver+night silence...thus making sneaky vamps to run 2 times faster ON FOOT while sneaking than a max speed horse with maneuver...so no thx...yes i enjoyed it as a snipeblade back then when 1 shotting people with a snipe +cloak and already be at the other side of the zerg or far away...do i want it back? hell no.

Valve

Since I didn't see anyone mention it, at least when I ctrl + F searched the thread, the people are probably invisible because they're in the same zone instance but separated by the quest instancing.

If you're at a different stage of a quest (for example finished) you could be placed in a special version of that quest area.

The resource nodes, however, are shared between these "mini" instances so it can appear nodes are just vanishing in front of you for no reason.

It's likely the player(s) are using a farming character with specific gear to go faster (there's some stuff that increases mount speed too. If it's a sorc they even have streak.

Medium armour passive also gives sprint speed bonuses.

So no, probably not cheaters.

Edit:
I read a bit more:

Cavedog wrote: »

They are using the essence of kollopi costume.

I wouldn't really call that "invisible".

knaveofengland

would say this since you have repoted players for mostly being skilled most probally , you should be given the final rights lined up against the wall .

put in stocks , no last request , and we can all throw rotten eggs at you .

Jaimeh

Cavedog wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

The perma-speed is from a set bonus, and I think the invisibility you mention is from a costume that makes one's character transparent. I've seen farmers in Craglorn use it as well, though I never understood why. Is It so that you don't see them going for a node so you take your sweet time, only to have it swooped under your nose?

Jhalin wrote: »

The disguise makes you invisible to trash, which disable your ability to harvest nodes when they hit you.

Nice to know it makes you not aggro mobs, I think I might have it somewhere, going to try it out next time I'm farming

You still aggro monsters same with costume on and off. There is no difference, despite a claim from a poster above.

I can now duplicate what these guys are doing exactly.....and there is a reason they do not reply to whispers.

Oh too bad, thanks for the heads up though!

Aurielle

knaveofengland wrote: »

would say this since you have repoted players for mostly being skilled most probally , you should be given the final rights lined up against the wall .

put in stocks , no last request , and we can all throw rotten eggs at you .

They’re not skilled. They’re botters/goldsellers who should be banned from the game.

Danksta

Cavedog wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

The disguise makes you invisible to trash, which disable your ability to harvest nodes when they hit you.

why all the butthurt over some people being smart about their harvesting?

They are doing other things too that I haven't discussed. .....behavior that warranted them being reported.

And no, the disguise does not make you invisible to trash mobs or anything else. You still aggro monsters same with and without costume.

It doesn't make you invisible to players either, it makes you transparent.

Own

Theyre using cowards, fiords, orc, Kalopi Essense*


Also, here's a farmer doing all except the invis part and telling you how.

https://youtu.be/fdu1r1IQVa0

Merlin13KAGL

Cavedog wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

The disguise makes you invisible to trash, which disable your ability to harvest nodes when they hit you.

why all the butthurt over some people being smart about their harvesting?

They are doing other things too that I haven't discussed. .....behavior that warranted them being reported.

And no, the disguise does not make you invisible to trash mobs or anything else. You still aggro monsters same with and without costume.

• They do it when they want not to be bothered by people in zone chat without having to appear offline. Draws less attention. /Whisper "Are you a bot/speed hack? How u run so fast?"
• They do it because it looks cool.
• They do it to screw with other players, but more likely...
• Ironically, they do it to prevent false reporting.
  
  A whole lot more uninformed people are more likely to report a fully visible person running at Mach 5 than one that is visibly less likely to be noticed.

• Kollopi Essence (disguise - and doesn't need refresh unless it's broken in the original quest area by the Orcs you're trying to hide from, any more than any other disguise gets broken in non-use-this-disguise-to-hide-from-these-people type areas.)
• Cowards gear (orangish shield when sprinting.)
• Fiord's (more Sprint bonus, as there's usually more than enough time for stam regen during harvests, so Duroks isn't needed as much - you're after speed bonuses, after all, not max stat).

I run this on my Khajiit in and around Stormhaven and Auridon on a regular basis, occasionally in Craglorn.

Very possible I've been one you (haven't) seen, at some point.

Cavedog

Jhalin wrote: »

The disguise makes you invisible to trash, which disable your ability to harvest nodes when they hit you.

why all the butthurt over some people being smart about their harvesting?

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

The disguise makes you invisible to trash, which disable your ability to harvest nodes when they hit you.

why all the butthurt over some people being smart about their harvesting?

They are doing other things too that I haven't discussed. .....behavior that warranted them being reported.

And no, the disguise does not make you invisible to trash mobs or anything else. You still aggro monsters same with and without costume.

• They do it when they want not to be bothered by people in zone chat without having to appear offline. Draws less attention. /Whisper "Are you a bot/speed hack? How u run so fast?"
• They do it because it looks cool.
• They do it to screw with other players, but more likely...
• Ironically, they do it to prevent false reporting.
  
  A whole lot more uninformed people are more likely to report a fully visible person running at Mach 5 than one that is visibly less likely to be noticed.

• Kollopi Essence (disguise - and doesn't need refresh unless it's broken in the original quest area by the Orcs you're trying to hide from, any more than any other disguise gets broken in non-use-this-disguise-to-hide-from-these-people type areas.)
• Cowards gear (orangish shield when sprinting.)
• Fiord's (more Sprint bonus, as there's usually more than enough time for stam regen during harvests, so Duroks isn't needed as much - you're after speed bonuses, after all, not max stat).

I run this on my Khajiit in and around Stormhaven and Auridon on a regular basis, occasionally in Craglorn.

Very possible I've been one you (haven't) seen, at some point.

[*] They do it because they are cheating and don't want to get caught

These people I reported also run a route and will visit nodes that I've just harvested even though they aren't there to harvest anymore....among other signs I look for in a bot. (Yes Virginia, there are ways to discern a bot from a human, even when they run solo)

Kuramas9tails

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4977214#Comment_4977214

jssriot

Cavedog wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

The disguise makes you invisible to trash, which disable your ability to harvest nodes when they hit you.

why all the butthurt over some people being smart about their harvesting?

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

The disguise makes you invisible to trash, which disable your ability to harvest nodes when they hit you.

why all the butthurt over some people being smart about their harvesting?

They are doing other things too that I haven't discussed. .....behavior that warranted them being reported.

And no, the disguise does not make you invisible to trash mobs or anything else. You still aggro monsters same with and without costume.

• They do it when they want not to be bothered by people in zone chat without having to appear offline. Draws less attention. /Whisper "Are you a bot/speed hack? How u run so fast?"
• They do it because it looks cool.
• They do it to screw with other players, but more likely...
• Ironically, they do it to prevent false reporting.
  
  A whole lot more uninformed people are more likely to report a fully visible person running at Mach 5 than one that is visibly less likely to be noticed.

• Kollopi Essence (disguise - and doesn't need refresh unless it's broken in the original quest area by the Orcs you're trying to hide from, any more than any other disguise gets broken in non-use-this-disguise-to-hide-from-these-people type areas.)
• Cowards gear (orangish shield when sprinting.)
• Fiord's (more Sprint bonus, as there's usually more than enough time for stam regen during harvests, so Duroks isn't needed as much - you're after speed bonuses, after all, not max stat).

I run this on my Khajiit in and around Stormhaven and Auridon on a regular basis, occasionally in Craglorn.

Very possible I've been one you (haven't) seen, at some point.

[*] They do it because they are cheating and don't want to get caught

These people I reported also run a route and will visit nodes that I've just harvested even though they aren't there to harvest anymore....among other signs I look for in a bot. (Yes Virginia, there are ways to discern a bot from a human, even when they run solo)

Dude, you didn't come here to be mad about bots. You came here to be mad about players who are using gear and disguises because you don't like it. If you're out there spite-reporting players because you don't like the way they're farming, man, you're a...well, you should know what you are.

This is your original comment, in full, in case you try to go back an edit:

I've noticed a lot of speedy, invisible farmers lately. These farmers stay invisible and move like they are using speed pots at all times. They do not pause to drink a potion or anything, yet they stay invisible and fast at all times.

What are these "farmers" doing to stay invisible and move so fast without popping potions? ...or are they bots who are cheating?

It's my belief that these are cheaters, but I'm looking for a better explanation. I mean, I'd sure like to be able to be invisible and have rapids at all times without using pots or skills. So how are they doing it if they aren't cheating?

I've reported the ones I've seen, but ZOS has done nothing to curtail the issue as far as I can tell. I'm guessing they contact the person I think is cheating and they say they are not, and that's where the issue dies.

Based on this, we are led to believe you are reporting players for ONLY using speed gear and the disguise, and that you think these players are cheating, and not because of the other things you happened to mention later. Now you're being all condescending and defensive, so I'm thinking you just want to be butthurt over something you don't like but can't do anything about.

If you are really, really, really are convinced they are bots, why *** are you here arguing with people over this? Why wasn't the actual signs of bot behavior the fist thing you mentioned in your original comment? Why aren't you just reporting them and going back to your game?

BTW, I run Cowards+Darkstrider on my bosmer farmer (i have the Kallopi disguise but I never bother to use it). None of these things are exploits, but I've been harassed by people who thought I was a bot. If they were exploits, ZOS would have taken them out of the game ages ago.

vamp_emily

I tried Fiords Legacy yeterday, and didn't like it. I would rather just use cloak ( with concealed weapon slotted ) and double take for speed.


This past weekend I seen a little different bots in Coldharbor. I was grinding a few zombies to level a character and someone was there with around 6 players following his every move. However, the 6 characters were all in stealth. It was definitely cheating unless something was wrong with my graphics.

Kanar

Thanks for this thread. I have often seen these invisible bots in front of my home (earthtear). They are clearly bots given their running pattern but I never knew why they used that stupid disguise. Now it makes sense. I'll start reporting them, because they are annoying.

bongtokin420insd16

lol its crazy. If you see me farming, dont report me. I run to nodes like a bot cause i now when they spawn and where they are, i have ran the loop so much. Crazy how this turned into a witch ... pursuit... thingy....

DMuehlhausen

It could also be somebody in a different instance of the zone taking the node. It shouldn't be showing up to you at all, but it does sometimes. If this happening I'd log and log back in

Merlin13KAGL

vamp_emily wrote: »

I tried Fiords Legacy yeterday, and didn't like it. I would rather just use cloak ( with concealed weapon slotted ) and double take for speed.


This past weekend I seen a little different bots in Coldharbor. I was grinding a few zombies to level a character and someone was there with around 6 players following his every move. However, the 6 characters were all in stealth. It was definitely cheating unless something was wrong with my graphics.

@vamp_emily Fiords only couples well with Cowards. Yours is certainly a good combo too (and the other is good if you're not a NB), especially when paired with Vamp.

OP, you need to make up your damn mind what your complaint is.

Of course you can tell a bot from a player in most cases, but for all the things you added, none of them were in the original post.

I'm also vaguely interested in how you can tell someone trying to farm a non-existent node, since there is no animation to be had.

But, whatever. Your question has been answered, several times over. Time to move along (semi-invisibly, and at a fair rate of speed.)

vamp_emily

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@vamp_emily Fiords only couples well with Cowards. Yours is certainly a good combo too (and the other is good if you're not a NB), especially when paired with Vamp.

Thank you. I have it on my stam sorc, and was wondering which set to use with it. I will try Cowards.

bongtokin420insd16

I use Fiords with Dark and its fantastic for speed. But a Stamsorc buffs minor and major exped already so....

Merlin13KAGL

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

I use Fiords with Dark and its fantastic for speed. But a Stamsorc buffs minor and major exped already so....

No timer (nor cast cost) with Coward's though.

bongtokin420insd16

meh, casting both costs almost nothing when the time runs so long.

eklhaftb16_ESO

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

I'm also vaguely interested in how you can tell someone trying to farm a non-existent node, since there is no animation to be had.

A bot gatherer runs all the way to the node, even if there is no node, and stops there for a moment, trying to interact with it. Meanwhile, a human gatherer keeps moving because they can see the node is empty. It's quite easy to notice when you know what you're looking for. They don't see stuff, they need to touch everything.

ZiRM

I used to think they were hacks but then I made an Orc with fiords and use skills on him that improve speed just for farming. I'm sure i've been reported because he is sooofast now. my max stat mount seems so slow now...

GreenhaloX

Ok, I can see using speed to make it to a node or a chest before another does, but that is what Rapid is for. It is fast enough. Why would someone need to mess around with a build/setup that offer speed perk? I can't say much about the invisible thing while going farming for mats, plants and stuff.. why the hell would you need to be invisible? It's not like overland adds/mob are all Craglorn when it was pre-One Tamriel. Those lowbies from level 3 to 10 running around still in ColdHarbour rags with messed up/jumbled up names are the bots. Just like those that are running around throughout Craglorn or bunch of lowbie sorcs with messed names that are bunched up in one area just blasting away in unison farming bears, wolves, mudcrabs, whatever; yeah, they're bots.